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<interlocutor interlocutor=?> </interlocutor>
<interlocutor> Now, good afternoon, everybody. </interlocutor>
<spall> Good afternoon.</spall>
<interlocutor> Er, could you please tell me your name and your number of your admission ticket? </interlocutor>
<sp1> My name is ***. And my number is 199. </sp1>
<interlocutor> OK.</interlocutor>
<sp2> Er my name is ***. My number is 129. </sp2>
<sp3> Ok, my name is ***. My number is 228. </sp3>
<sp4> My name is ***... My number is... 231. </sp4>
<interlocutor> Ok. Now would you please briefly introduce yourselves to each other? And remember, you should not mention the name of your university. OK? Please. </interlocutor>
<sp1> Hello, everybody. My name ***. And think you know er know that yeah, ern... My major is er automation [Wt-sg], automation automation ... Ok... if can not mention my university, er can I mention my hometown? </sp1>
<interlocutor> Yes, ok.</interlocutor>
<sp1> Er, I am from Hubei province, er the capital of Hubei is Wuhan, and I from er the city beside Wuhan, so... my... because my I was born in 1981, that was the first year for China to carry out the one-child policy, so I am the only child in my home, so my father named me *** that is quite sounds like the English word 'only'. </sp1>
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<interlocutor> Yes. </interlocutor>
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<sp2> Finished? </sp2>
<interlocutor> Yes, yes. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Can I just ask a question? </sp2>
<interlocutor> Erm. </interlocutor>
<sp2> What is the time limit? </sp2>
<interlocutor> Thirty seconds. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Thirty seconds? </sp2>
<interlocutor> Thirty seconds for each one. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Ok, my name is ***, and my major is accounting. Erm because ern although many people think if he or she a person chose erm the major in economy he must have a special interest in it, but actually my interest is in the culture of different people but not economy. That because I think culture is really a thing of wealth [Wth-s] that can tell you a lot of thing from different people. So I really think it's very helpful for me, and that's all, thank you. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Ok, thanks. </interlocutor>
<sp3> Ok, you know my name my name is ***. And electronic engineering is my specialty. Erm probably you think it's not wise [Ws-s] choice for a girl because er actually Shakespeare once said frailty [Wai-ou] that name is woman he implied that women are inferior to men. But it seems ridiculous to me because what I believe in is genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration. </sp3>
<interlocutor> Yes, yes. </interlocutor>
<sp3> So I never regret choosing double E I mean electronic engineering [Mr] and that is my major. And I believe I can do better than boys in this field. So that's about me. </sp3>
<sp4> Again, very nice to meet you, teachers and friend here. And my name Chinese name is ***, English name is Thomas. My major is international trade because I think I want to communicate with friends and foreigners and maybe to do somethings with China and other countries. So I select this major instead of double E or computer [Mu] science. </sp4>
<interlocutor> OK, thanks. Er now we know each other, we can do some home we can do some group work. First of all, I'd like to ask each of you one question, we start from ***. Do you think it's important to have a college education? </interlocutor>
<sp1> Yes, of course. Just I think [Pk-d] the world is full of challenge. We need to know more erm technology and knowledge to erm to er... realize our dream. So I and I know that if we don't have er erm if we don't have the technology we can not stand in the world [Ml]. </sp1>
<interlocutor> Ok, ***, is it reasonable for a college student to pay for their tuition? </interlocutor>
<sp2> well, I think it's it's a question of two sides. Because first education er they needs a lot of money to give you a very erm reasonable environment for you to get any education, just like very expensive devices, and so the universities and schools colleges they need money, but the country can not give plenty of money to the universities. So first question, to universities it is very reasonable to get money for from students, but actually I don't think erm the level of the tuition is very reasonable. Because erm these days it is very hard for a lot of families because both of the parents just out of work, so it's very hard, I can say in that because my both my parents are losing their work now, so it is very very difficult for them to support me in my education. Erm actually er in short, maybe it's difficult erm, can help me to just realize my parents their their wish. They loved me and I will make my best in my education. Thank you. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Very good, very good. ***, why do you think the universities and colleges are increasing their enrollments of students now? </interlocutor>
<sp3> Because there is more students in China, you know, and I think to value a countries er it's important what is important is er the level [We-ai] of their civilize civil-civilians, yes, the level [We-ai] of their civilians. And the more education they get [We-ae], er I think [Mk] the country can be more wealth [Wth-s], and can er have er higher status in the foreign countries, in the whole world. So... </sp3>
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<interlocutor> Ok, thanks. Have you ever thought about continuing your education after you graduate? </interlocutor>
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<sp4> Sure, first of all, I'd love to say because I think my major ??? is a lot foreigners or other countries and I I have said what I have said I want to communicate different countries and I think China needs lots of this kind of people to do this kind of things. So I really want to ??? my further education in other countries. And other thing is er I want to say because we have entered WTO, so I think as the...... maybe future business persons may have to deal with lots of things within the international levels, so I mean the game is international so you have to know the international rules to deal with lots of things. </sp4>
<interlocutor> Yes, very good. Now let's move on to something more specific. The topic for our discussion today is the enrollment of graduate students. Each of you will be given a chart showing some information about graduate enrollment in a certain province. I'd like you to talk about the information given in your own chart. And each of you will have one minute to prepare and another one and half minute to give your presentation. Don't worry if I interrupt you when time is up. Now here are your cards. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Thank you. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Are you ready? </interlocutor>
<sp2> Yeah. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Time is limited. Who will start? We will start from ***, please. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Ok, thank you. Er maybe first I will show you this paper. Are you clear? Ok. Er this paper's title [W2t-p] is enrollment of graduate students and it says the increase in a percentage of applicants with two year or more working experience. So here is a picture you can see from it that in 1980's just 35 percent of applicants with their working experience ask for er the further education in university, but in the 2000, there is 43 percent. It's a big change, it's a big increasement. So er maybe there is some reason for this change. I just want to point out some I think is important ones. And first I think it's being individual himself think it's very important for him to gain some knowledge from university to fulfill his life, his work. Because we know change is everywhere and world [Md] is fast development, if you don't er change always er make your knowledge new according to the change of the world, you will be loser in the big competition. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Ok, ok, now *** is your turn. And the other two candidates please put your cards aside and listen to what she has to say. Now, please, ***. </interlocutor>
<sp3> Yes, I have got this picture this chart is about female graduate students er, we can see on this chart that female er percentage of the female graduate students have increased during the er maybe 20 years and I think at the eighty 1980's they only get ten percent, I think [Wth-s] it's very low because maybe it's er due to the status of women in this country, you know a lot of old men considered the ladies is not valuable as boys, so I think [Pk-er] situations have changed during these years, erm women also be considered very valuable, capable as boys, and what boys males can do, female can also achieve. ... So I think [Pk-er] we can see that in 2000 erm maybe quite near to now, the percentage is about half of it, so I think [Wth-s] we get a balance of female and boys. </sp3>
<interlocutor> Now, thanks, ***, please. </interlocutor>
<sp4> First of all, I want to describe it again, the picture shows that the percentage of the enrollment of the graduate school students go down from 1980 to 2000 years, I think there are three main part I want to say. The first one the first line is our social aspect. I mean because you know ern so our society develop fast and fast so also affect, er as a matter of fact, I think if you have... a little long further [Wur-o] I mean better education, there are more changes for you to get a new job or very good job. So this our social elements .the other thing I think is family aspect I want to say. Because I think as a fact China is become more and more modern and lots of people have a little bit or very erm...... much better livings, so lot of students from the school university they will not concern whether I have to earn money before to our families to maybe to run very good or something, so lot of students can think what I will do after I graduate from a better degree, and lot of students they will not think of it as a burden [Wur-o] to learn out. </sp4>
<interlocutor> Ok, thanks. Now *** it's your turn, please. </interlocutor>
<sp1> Er, because my because of my vocabulary [Wb-l] maybe I can not er...... understand this question very well, but I will do my best. </sp1>
<interlocutor> Ok. </interlocutor>
<sp1> This chart I got is about an increase in the number of students applying for graduate studies. Er we can see clearly that er er er blue the blue color is stand for number of students enrolled and red ones stands for applicant. Er before I think before... 1980's because er our our country is not so er rich so er students maybe not so... maybe feel [Pl-d] education is not so important than the money, so they often almost of them get... choose er...... I can't how to understand...... right...</sp1>
<interlocutor> Ok, thanks. Now we all have some idea of enrollment of graduate students in China, I'd like you to discuss the topic further and see whether you can you can er agree on whether graduate education is essential for a successful career. During your discussion, you may argue with one other or ask each other questions so as to clarify your point. And your performance will be judged according to your own contribution to the discussion. And remember during the discussion you should try to come to an agreement of the topic whether graduate education is essential for a successful career. Now you may start, please. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Maybe I I will be the first one. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Yes, ok. </interlocutor>
<sp2> Er I think my point of view is that the gradua- graduate education is really essential for a person's development in the future, no matter in the future or er in now. Because it's not the only education for a very successful work [Wor-o] but er they offer you a successful and special environment [Mo] for you to shape your character and I always think fact is more important than reason than people in oral speak, because there are more and more people with their work, maybe sometimes just abandon their works, they go back to school get further education because they realize the important things for them not only for the money but the more important thing is for the experiences. Experiences are more important in today's society. Thank you. </sp2>
<sp3> Excuse [Mx] me, I don't agree with you on the last point you mentioned that you mean some people er who get to work then they feel their knowledge is not enough so they get back to school. I don't so think so. Ern why did they come back to school? I think because they realize [Wz-s] the [We-e] importance of the knowledge. They realize [Wz-s] what kind of knowledge they are not have enough. So the first thing [Wth-s] is to take the work. They know what they don't have, so they come back. If you er be a college [Mg] student then be a graduate student, you have the straight way. You don't know what you don't know. </sp3>
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<sp2> I want to I want to emphasize [We-a] that I have never say said that people they don't want to work, but just go back to school. Because... </sp2>
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<sp3> Do you know the MBA, MBA... sorry. </sp3>
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<sp2> Please let me finish my... </sp2>
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<sp3> Sorry, sorry. </sp3>
<sp2> Thank you, thank you. Er I have know many people with such experience. They just first they go to work after graduation and then they realize their lack of knowledge to make their career more successful, then they go back to school. But I want to point out that there is a lack [Wa-ai] of time. You have limited time. If you want to work, you can not go back to school to finish your lessons. Maybe there are many spare time lessons for you prepare for you but actually we know it's not realized because erm there is limited time and that people go back to school is first step they return to the society. They have experience, they know their lack of experience where is their shortcomings, then they go back to school to fulfill them. There there is a first time, second your erm person [Mn] willness, third one is that your just passion. You have concentrate on something then you can do it successfully. You can not spare it to many things. I just want to point out this. </sp2>
<sp3> Do you know that there is a style of education is called MBA? And that kind of education is you must have work [Pk-er] experience. So work experience is very important for our studies. So that is my point. </sp3>
<sp2> I have never say I never say that work experience is not [Mt] important. </sp2>
<sp4> I don't want to interrupt others, but I think... </sp4>
<interlocutor> Yes, yes, of course, that is all right. </interlocutor>
<sp4> I I do want to resume something about MBA because take myself for example. I don't mean maybe I do something for it for something I mean erm there is a situation for me now to apply whether to apply MBA or other graduate school in the United State or the Britain. Because I think [Mk] I do agree what er she says. Because I think working experience is very important, maybe it's very different, maybe it's a kind of culture sharp between Chinese and other foreigners. I mean...... I have lot of friends from just er very good countries or very good universities of MBA. But they have done MBA programs and when some very good companies ask whether you can take maybe the master I mean the manager position of our company and write very well. They say, 'Ok, yeah. Because I have the ability to do it.' But when they do it maybe at bout six month later, they think I am sorry I can not do it very good or I can not make it. What is the problem is that they although they have the MBA degree maybe they have all the accounting programs or financing, banking programs in the MBA, MBA have ten very er I mean the major elements of why MBA program. Maybe they have the a-ability and knowledge of it, but they have no experience. That is why just like Yale, Harvard university, when they required the applicants to apply for them they said I or we do er require you to have at least one half and two years of working experience because in MBA MBA programs, lot of programs begin with cases and evaluation [Pe-d] of lot things. So in this sense, I think the working experience is very important. </sp4>
<sp1> I am quite I am quite, thank you. I am quite agree with er anyway, and anyway, *** and ***, yes. I think experience is very important. Because I think erm I not quite good at study er er, maybe English is a little better. So you know that my major is automation. And the courses I have take this term include er SSSP is that signal system. And I don't think I don't know what does this kind of erm technology can do. So sometimes I think if I can go to the er go to the company or go to the fa-factory. I can erm... look how this technology can erm... make any... erm make any make anything in the er...... procedure and I will... then I know how to learn this and I know what is the most important thing in this course. So I think if er if the student go straight to the erm maybe to the master degree erm then they go to job. Sometimes they can not see er seize the very important thing. So I think... </sp1>
<interlocutor> Ok ,ok. Now I'd like to ask one last question on the topic of enrollment of the graduate students. Erm now er ***, please, have you ever thought of studying for a PhD. In the future? </interlocutor>
<sp3> Yes, I have thought and my dream is to be er you know postgraduate in USA. So I think [Wth-s] to be a better worker or to be a better erm... study to a better professor you should know more more know more knowledge. So...... I... have prepared for PhD after the postgraduate. My major is electronic engineering and in this field you know there are a lot knowledge re- required to be learn. So you have to catch up with [Wth-s] the time, you have to be the person of competent [Me]. </sp3>
<interlocutor> Ok, thanks. Now, ***. Er would you change your major if you were to study your master degree? </interlocutor>
<sp1> No, I think I will not. Because I like my major very much. Erm because I like automation. I think if I work with computer I can do better than to work with people. </sp1>
<interlocutor> Ok. </interlocutor>
<sp1> I am not good at communication. </sp1>
<interlocutor> Ok. Now, ***, you know Bill Gates, of course you know, yes Bill Gates didn't even finish university. </interlocutor>
<sp4> Sure. </sp4>
<interlocutor> Do you think it is necessary to get a university degree? </interlocutor>
<sp4> I think the most important thing [Wth-s], personal speaking, I think is er whether you have the [We-e] ability. I have said what I have said even though you are the Yale or Harvard graduate student or PhD you have no ability to involve yourself in the society. I think [Wth-s] you fail to something extent. But just like Bill Gates, I know... he come from the er Harvard university and he er expel of the school during the maybe the sophomore or the junior year. Why Bill Gates succeed? I think he know what he will do and he know what he want. I think it's the most important thing [Wth-s] for old people. I mean if you want to something just like myself, I want to do a I want to be a business person instead of maybe double E or auto-automation. I I didn't mean I didn't mean I don't mean other things [Wth-s] are not good. I just think [Wth-s] I am interesting communicating with others, with peoples. So I think [Wth-s] [Mk] in this way I hold of my belief and I do it I will make it. </sp4>
<interlocutor> Ok, thanks. Now ***, last question. Some people leave a well-paid job to get a graduate education, do you think it is worthwhile? </interlocutor>
<sp2> Erm, first I want to give you an example. Because yesterday I have a talk with my teacher. And she has a student who has work for several years and gain a lot of money erm maybe we can say thousands or tens of thousands RMB support him a very stable wealthy life, but he has a question just like teacher you ask me that she he ask my teacher that there is a chance for me to go to Britain go for the further education, but er I should er just put off my er sa current salary high salary. So is it deserved? My teacher answered that if you have the chance, go. Go and back, and you can find the real value of you. And I just now now I want to point my point of view. Erm if there is way for me, I will go no matter which way I choose to pay my tuition, maybe it is expensive. I should erm just take a high pressure or burden [Wur-o], gain a barrel of money to pay my tuition, but I will go because I know knowledge can not be measured by money. Thank you. </sp2>
<interlocutor> Thank you very much. That is the end of the test, thank you, everybody. </interlocutor>
<spall> Thank you. </spall> 
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