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<s>嗨宝宝小</s>
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<s>今天要带你们来见一位我的好朋友</s>
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<s>叫曾大力</s>
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<s>大力曾经是我的甲方</s>
<time>8_00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,400</time>
<s>她1992年出生</s>
<time>9_00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,800</time>
<s>毕业之后就直接创业了</s>
<time>10_00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000</time>
<s>到现在她们的营收已经超过9位数</s>
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<s>哦对</s>
<time>12_00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,400</time>
<s>如果你们知道一个大博主叫竹子的话</s>
<time>13_00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,400</time>
<s>你们肯定知道她在北京住过一套四合院</s>
<time>14_00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,400</time>
<s>大力是竹子之后的那一位住客</s>
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<s>大力在外人眼里是美丽又成功的CEO</s>
<time>16_00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,200</time>
<s>但跟她成为朋友之后</s>
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<s>我才发现</s>
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<s>她跟我们每一个普通的女孩一样</s>
<time>19_00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,200</time>
<s>也经历过迷范、挫折</s>
<time>20_00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,800</time>
<s>还有无数个想放弃的瞬间</s>
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<s>今天她带我来学自由潜水</s>
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<s>正好给你们讲讲她的故事</s>
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<s>Hello!大力~</s>
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<s>Hello!Hi~</s>
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<s>你当时为什么选择创业呢？</s>
<time>26_00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,200</time>
<s>上研究生之前不是会有半年</s>
<time>27_00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,200</time>
<s>很无聊的时间嘛</s>
<time>28_00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,600</time>
<s>从那个时候开始探索</s>
<time>29_00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,800</time>
<s>那你后来读研究生了吗？</s>
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<s>没有</s>
<time>31_00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,400</time>
<s>我申的是管理嘛</s>
<time>32_00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,800</time>
<s>我不知道我为什么继续读管理</s>
<time>33_00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,200</time>
<s>我觉得可能需要回到工作的环境里面</s>
<time>34_00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:49,800</time>
<s>去找一些理由</s>
<time>35_00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:50,400</time>
<s>这是第一个原因</s>
<time>36_00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,000</time>
<s>第二个原因</s>
<time>37_00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,600</time>
<s>因为我当时不是拉了一个学弟创业</s>
<time>38_00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,400</time>
<s>学弟说那你是准备去读研究生还是？</s>
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<s>它会影响到我之后的发展</s>
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<s>第三个是</s>
<time>41_00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,400</time>
<s>很意外地融了一笔天使轮的钱</s>
<time>42_00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,800</time>
<s>还要为投资人的钱负责</s>
<time>43_00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,600</time>
<s>你不可能兼职来做这个事情</s>
<time>44_00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,800</time>
<s>那你有想过如果你没有去创业</s>
<time>45_00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000</time>
<s>你会做什么工作吗？</s>
<time>46_00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,600</time>
<s>家里之前给我的规划是从事科研</s>
<time>47_00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,800</time>
<s>然后去做教职或者做科学家</s>
<time>48_00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,000</time>
<s>为什么会有这样的规划？</s>
<time>49_00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,400</time>
<s>因为我妈妈是做生意的</s>
<time>50_00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,000</time>
<s>身为一个女性</s>
<time>51_00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,400</time>
<s>她自己创业一路过来非常非常的苦</s>
<time>52_00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,400</time>
<s>她就会觉得女儿呢天天开心</s>
<time>53_00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,400</time>
<s>有份稳定的工作</s>
<time>54_00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,400</time>
<s>嫁一个好人</s>
<time>55_00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,800</time>
<s>创一代都是这样认为的</s>
<time>56_00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,200</time>
<s>我其实最开始是非常讨厌做生意的</s>
<time>57_00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,400</time>
<s>我妈妈当时在家里面经常跟家人吵架</s>
<time>58_00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,200</time>
<s>因为我们家大家都做生意嘛</s>
<time>59_00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,000</time>
<s>经常就会把工作带到家里面来</s>
<time>60_00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,400</time>
<s>过早地看了一些人情世故</s>
<time>61_00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,000</time>
<s>对世界失去了一些美好的幻想</s>
<time>62_00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,800</time>
<s>那你是什么时候接受了自己</s>
<time>63_00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,600</time>
<s>也成为一个做生意的人</s>
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<s>或者是一个CEO了？</s>
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<s>我在2019年的时候</s>
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<s>重度抑郁了九个多月到一年左右的时间</s>
<time>67_00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,800</time>
<s>那个时候其实已经创业两年了</s>
<time>68_00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,400</time>
<s>我才明显地感觉到</s>
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<s>我做的事情实际上</s>
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<s>就是在做生意</s>
<time>71_00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,600</time>
<s>但我一直以为</s>
<time>72_00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,600</time>
<s>这只是我</s>
<time>73_00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,800</time>
<s>回到学校前面的一小段经历而已</s>
<time>74_00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,800</time>
<s>当时我是有一个在美国的前男友</s>
<time>75_00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,200</time>
<s>他也很不支持我创业</s>
<time>76_00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,800</time>
<s>家里人也催我回去念书</s>
<time>77_00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000</time>
<s>我自己工作</s>
<time>78_00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,600</time>
<s>在那个时候可能也遇到了一些困难</s>
<time>79_00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,600</time>
<s>推到现实面前</s>
<time>80_00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,200</time>
<s>就是你发现你真的好像进入这件事了</s>
<time>81_00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,000</time>
<s>那个是让我最难受的一段时间</s>
<time>82_00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,400</time>
<s>因为那个时候没有做出决定</s>
<time>83_00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,600</time>
<s>你会发现自已的人生</s>
<time>84_00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,400</time>
<s>跟前二十几年规划的都不太一样</s>
<time>85_00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,000</time>
<s>就等于被机遇推到了这么一个风口上</s>
<time>86_00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,800</time>
<s>然后你必须要承担这个角色</s>
<time>87_00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,200</time>
<s>因为你开启的它嘛</s>
<time>88_00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,000</time>
<s>就像你没有做好规划</s>
<time>89_00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,200</time>
<s>突然生了一个小孩</s>
<time>90_00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,600</time>
<s>然后这个小孩尚且不能抚养自己</s>
<time>91_00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,000</time>
<s>那假如你没有当时做这件事情（创业）</s>
<time>92_00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,800</time>
<s>你会按照家里的规划去做</s>
<time>93_00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,200</time>
<s>比如大学老师一类的吗？</s>
<time>94_00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,200</time>
<s>我觉得一定也不会</s>
<time>95_00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,400</time>
<s>因为从小是离异家庭长大嘛</s>
<time>96_00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,000</time>
<s>在我们的那个年代还算是比较</s>
<time>97_00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,000</time>
<s>少见的一个事情</s>
<time>98_00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,200</time>
<s>再加上从小</s>
<time>99_00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,400</time>
<s>家里人培养我的方式</s>
<time>100_00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,000</time>
<s>相对来说是比较独立的</s>
<time>101_00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,800</time>
<s>我习惯那种非正常的方式</s>
<time>102_00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,000</time>
<s>去进行我的人生了</s>
<time>103_00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,200</time>
<s>你所谓的非正常培养是什么样的？</s>
<time>104_00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,400</time>
<s>比如说在我5年级的时候</s>
<time>105_00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,400</time>
<s>妈妈就把我丢去云南自己旅行</s>
<time>106_00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,600</time>
<s>她其实是找了一个她的同事跟着我</s>
<time>107_00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,200</time>
<s>但我不知道</s>
<time>108_00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:00,600</time>
<s>我以为是路上碰到的人</s>
<time>109_00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,800</time>
<s>你能创业成功</s>
<time>110_00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000</time>
<s>跟你家庭的熏陶是有关系的吗？</s>
<time>111_00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,200</time>
<s>首先我没有创业成功</s>
<time>112_00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,800</time>
<s>过不久就死了也有可能</s>
<time>113_00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,200</time>
<s>但是我觉得我身上的那种坚韧</s>
<time>114_00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,200</time>
<s>一方面是跟女性有一些关系的</s>
<time>115_00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,600</time>
<s>另外一方面是离不开家里</s>
<time>116_00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,800</time>
<s>我经常会去想如果这个人不是我妈</s>
<time>117_00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,600</time>
<s>她会不会是一个我想要去交往的阿姨</s>
<time>118_00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,200</time>
<s>我的答案是肯定的</s>
<time>119_00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,600</time>
<s>我会觉得这个阿姨很有意思</s>
<time>120_00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,400</time>
<s>刚刚我们在聊天的时候</s>
<time>121_00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,400</time>
<s>你还聊到你妈妈在比较大年龄的时候</s>
<time>122_00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,600</time>
<s>还选择换一个城市</s>
<time>123_00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,200</time>
<s>甚至换一个国家去生活</s>
<time>124_00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,000</time>
<s>你会觉得这个人一直在变化</s>
<time>125_00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,600</time>
<s>我跟家里现在有3年没见了嘛</s>
<time>126_00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,400</time>
<s>我就很期待见到她会是什么样子</s>
<time>127_00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,400</time>
<s>那你开始对一个CEO的想象是什么样？</s>
<time>128_00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,000</time>
<s>CEO在我心目中的那种形象</s>
<time>129_00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,400</time>
<s>应该是一个50多岁的哆啦A梦老头</s>
<time>130_00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,000</time>
<s>早上5点钟起床知道所有问题的答案</s>
<time>131_00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,400</time>
<s>对待同事也都是非常的温和</s>
<time>132_00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,600</time>
<s>非常的大智慧</s>
<time>133_00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,800</time>
<s>你当上CEO之后</s>
<time>134_00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,200</time>
<s>你觉得它跟你想象的有什么不一样</s>
<time>135_00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,400</time>
<s>CEO还可以这样</s>
<time>136_00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,400</time>
<s>我不会穿得很正式去办公室</s>
<time>137_00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,600</time>
<s>可能就穿一个吊带裙</s>
<time>138_00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:51,800</time>
<s>穿一个人字拖就去了</s>
<time>139_00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,800</time>
<s>看起来年纪也不会像是CEO</s>
<time>140_00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000</time>
<s>我经常会被认错成前台的同事</s>
<time>141_00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,000</time>
<s>甚至是实习生啊</s>
<time>142_00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,800</time>
<s>打破了很多刻板印象吧</s>
<time>143_00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000</time>
<s>那你觉得你在创业</s>
<time>144_00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,800</time>
<s>初期和现在中期</s>
<time>145_00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,400</time>
<s>作为一个CEO的状态有什么变化吗？</s>
<time>146_00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,600</time>
<s>这是一个ENFP转变到一个ENTJ的</s>
<time>147_00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,000</time>
<s>一个变化</s>
<time>148_00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,000</time>
<s>那会刚创业</s>
<time>149_00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,000</time>
<s>又是比较年轻</s>
<time>150_00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,600</time>
<s>想要跟每一个同事交朋友</s>
<time>151_00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:14,600</time>
<s>但是后来发现</s>
<time>152_00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,000</time>
<s>大家本质上还是跟着你来工作</s>
<time>153_00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,600</time>
<s>来事业发展来赚钱的</s>
<time>154_00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,200</time>
<s>我觉得我现在非常能克制住跟同事们交往</s>
<time>155_00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:23,800</time>
<s>这件事情的一个欲望了</s>
<time>156_00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,600</time>
<s>你是在什么契机意识到这个事的？</s>
<time>157_00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,600</time>
<s>我必须要亲自开掉我非常喜欢的同事</s>
<time>158_00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,600</time>
<s>以及发现在聊一些关于工作上的时候</s>
<time>159_00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,800</time>
<s>他会选择不叫你</s>
<time>160_00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,400</time>
<s>听起来是不是非常的幼稚</s>
<time>161_00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,600</time>
<s>本来这谁会叫老板呢？</s>
<time>162_00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,000</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>163_00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,400</time>
<s>几乎是24小时黏在一起的那种场景下</s>
<time>164_00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,600</time>
<s>对我来说会有点冲击</s>
<time>165_00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:41,800</time>
<s>你刚说你曾经</s>
<time>166_00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000</time>
<s>亲自开掉过一些你非常认可</s>
<time>167_00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,400</time>
<s>或者是关系非常好的同事</s>
<time>168_00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,400</time>
<s>这是在什么样一个环境下发生的</s>
<time>169_00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,800</time>
<s>比如说我很欣赏他的价值观</s>
<time>170_00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,400</time>
<s>但是就是绩效不达标</s>
<time>171_00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,400</time>
<s>或者是说</s>
<time>172_00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,600</time>
<s>到某个阶段跟不上公司的发展了</s>
<time>173_00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,800</time>
<s>而他又坐着一个</s>
<time>174_00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,200</time>
<s>相对来说管理者的位置</s>
<time>175_00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,600</time>
<s>也给团队带来了很多困扰</s>
<time>176_00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,800</time>
<s>这就是我觉得</s>
<time>177_00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,600</time>
<s>在创业公司做一个小领导</s>
<time>178_00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,600</time>
<s>会面临的一个困难</s>
<time>179_00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,400</time>
<s>创业期间最想放弃的一个瞬间是什么时候？</s>
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<s>有两个时候都让我产生过这种念头</s>
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<s>第一个时候就是我们刚刚讲到的19年</s>
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<s>扑面而来的所谓现实</s>
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<s>让我必须要去做选择</s>
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<s>那个时间</s>
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<s>第二个时刻是20年</s>
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<s>那个时候是我非常不自信的时候</s>
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<s>会觉得自己好像之前做错了</s>
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<s>战略上的一些决策</s>
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<s>就会把所有东西往自己身上揽</s>
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<s>因为是责任感</s>
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<s>很多时候帮助你挺过了很多困难</s>
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<s>反省觉得自己不够好</s>
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<s>它其实是挑战你责任感的</s>
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<s>是从责任感出发你应该退掉</s>
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<s>我退出反而是一种责任感的体现</s>
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<s>因为我觉得我不够好</s>
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<s>大力为什么开始潜水？</s>
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<s>那会觉得工作特别的不顺</s>
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<s>再加上我从小到大都不会游泳嘛</s>
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<s>不知道做什么事的时候</s>
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<s>就在网上浏览信息</s>
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<s>我只是想去试试</s>
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<s>第一次学的时候也特别不顺利</s>
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<s>重修了4、5次才学会</s>
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<s>所以那个时候就觉得</s>
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<s>想要去做一些改变</s>
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<s>你一直坚定了二十几年</s>
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<s>你做不到的事情去试试</s>
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<s>看看能不能做得到</s>
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<s>那你觉得你的压力有缓解吗？</s>
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<s>哦有的。</s>
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<s>那一年我还融了一大笔钱嘛</s>
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<s>一千多万美金</s>
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<s>它（克服恐水）是给你底层的自信</s>
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<s>让你觉得</s>
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<s>哦！</s><s>原来我是</s>
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<s>可以做到我认为我做不到的事情</s>
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<s>那你在做其他的害怕的事情</s>
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<s>就会觉得为什么不试试呢？</s>
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<s>刚其实我们一直在提到一件事</s>
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<s>比如我一开始介绍你</s>
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<s>我说的是一个美女老板</s>
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<s>然后你自己也说了</s>
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<s>可能我作为女性会容易过度反省</s>
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<s>那你觉得你这个漂亮的女性的</s>
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<s>年轻的老板的身份</s>
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<s>给你带来了什么样的好处或者困扰吗？</s>
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<s>这个我觉得是一个非常好的话题</s>
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<s>有一段时间</s>
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<s>接受到的最多的所谓的夸奖</s>
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<s>来自于合作方</s>
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<s>或者来自于投资人</s>
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<s>他们都会说曾诗然很好</s>
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<s>她一点都不像女孩子</s>
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<s>指的是我在经营这件事情上很果断</s>
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<s>很努力</s>
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<s>会把你“花木兰化”</s>
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<s>所以那个时候</s>
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<s>会给我带来一种身为女性的自卑</s>
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<s>就是我要</s>
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<s>极力地去剥开女性的这个标签</s>
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<s>我在有段时间就</s>
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<s>不化妆</s>
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<s>不穿裙子</s>
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<s>不打理头发</s>
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<s>尽可能地把自己</s>
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<s>扮演得更接近于</s>
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<s>他们想象中的女企业家的那种形象</s>
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<s>扮演这件事给你的生活带来了什么实际上的变化？</s>
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<s>首先我不喜欢自己了</s>
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<s>因为我本来就很享受穿裙子</s>
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<s>第二是长时间做了这件事情之后</s>
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<s>发现这其实不是本质呀</s>
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<s>本质上还是“如何处理事情”</s>
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<s>当你的答案变得女性化之后</s>
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<s>你有遇到什么困难吗？</s>
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<s>很多人就会很明确地说</s>
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<s>我不投女创业者</s>
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<s>为什么？</s>
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<s>会觉得女创业者</s>
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<s>有很多情绪化的问题</s>
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<s>我猜啊</s>
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<s>女性在管理上或者在商业这件事情上</s>
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<s>从小受到的教育本来就没有那么完善</s>
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<s>再加上现在社会的绝大多数资源和</s>
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<s>企业都掌握在男性的手里面</s>
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<s>而男性</s>
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<s>交往和建立感情的方式</s>
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<s>又不是女性非常方便参与的</s>
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<s>他就会觉得跟你拉近距离是一件</s>
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<s>很难的事</s>
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<s>对女生会有一种敬而远之的那种印象在</s>
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<s>他会觉得别人也会对你有这种印象</s>
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<s>那你可能做生意啊</s>
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<s>你融下一笔资啊都会遇到这种麻烦</s>
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<s>那你觉得你有克服这样的刻板印象吗？</s>
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<s>我觉得凭着我一个人其实是很难克服</s>
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<s>每次在我自己做错事情的时候</s>
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<s>或者我觉得自己表现不够好的时候</s>
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<s>我都会过大地夸大自己的作用</s>
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<s>有的时候还会去想</s>
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<s>欲？</s><s>我是不是让别人也误会女创业者了</s>
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<s>千万不要让人</s>
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<s>觉得这是女性的一些缺点</s>
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<s>比如有什么样的特质</s>
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<s>我的确是一个会比较敏感的人</s>
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<s>很容易去捕捉到一些同事们的情绪</s>
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<s>或者是一些变化</s>
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<s>这些可能不太重要</s>
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<s>但由于你收集到太多信息</s>
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<s>做决策会比较慢</s>
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<s>然后我不想被别人说</s>
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<s>，你看女创业者就是很敏感</s>
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<s>接着刚才那个说的话就是</s>
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<s>我觉得这不是靠我一个人扭转的</s>
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<s>需要男性和女性这两个群体一起</s>
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<s>去打破刻板印象的</s>
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<s>比如说你会看到</s>
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<s>也有很情绪化的男创始人</s>
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<s>也有很女性化</s>
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<s>不是说一定是要短发的</s>
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<s>女创始人做得很好的</s>
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<s>更多的是关乎个体</s>
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<s>所有的成功的人都是长一样的</s>
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<s>那就很没有意思</s>
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<s>那你觉得作为女性创业者</s>
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<s>你的身体有跟男性有任何的不一样吗？</s>
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<s>也会有</s>
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<s>我记得之前好像参加一次</s>
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<s>很重要的峰会吧</s>
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<s>那天我刚好来大姨妈</s>
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<s>我又是很容易痛经</s>
<time>313_00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,600</time>
<s>那天我的状态又特别不好</s>
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<s>我就说不好意思</s>
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<s>我今天身体有点不舒服</s>
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<s>主持人也很好嘛</s>
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<s>其实他是出于好意嘛</s>
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<s>就说啊没关系</s>
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<s>女创业者嘛我们都理解</s>
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<s>就是那种让我突然很后悔说这句话</s>
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<s>好像给女创业者有点抹黑的那种感觉</s>
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<s>你没有</s>
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<s>我之前看过一个女创业者</s>
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<s>就她年龄比较大的一个采访</s>
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<s>她其实痛经非常严重</s>
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<s>但她要装作什么事都没有的样子</s>
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<s>这样大家才会相信</s>
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<s>她不会比男人少一个星期的工作时间</s>
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<s>回到我现在再来看这个问题的时候</s>
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<s>我不觉得这是一种缺憾</s>
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<s>就你多工作那一小时其实不一定重要</s>
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<s>或者是说你年轻</s>
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<s>你对有些东西没有考虑到</s>
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<s>它也不一定是纯有害的</s>
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<s>可能意味着你更快</s>
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<s>就是换一个视角来看待这个问题</s>
<time>337_00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,000</time>
<s>对对对</s>
<time>338_00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:26,800</time>
<s>今天我们在车上</s>
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<s>聊天的时候我问大力</s>
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<s>你有没有后悔</s>
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<s>你没有上过班就去创业了？</s>
<time>342_00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,600</time>
<s>当然后悔了</s>
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<s>你对于你没有过过的人生</s>
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<s>都会怀瑞着一种好奇和幻想</s>
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<s>自己选择这种人生会不会更轻松</s>
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<s>特别是当你遇到困难的时候</s>
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<s>但我觉得很多我的好的决定和</s>
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<s>一些成绩吧</s>
<time>349_00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,800</time>
<s>也是来源于我没有上过班</s>
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<s>限制或者是偏见也会更少一些</s>
<time>351_00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,400</time>
<s>上过一些班的话</s>
<time>352_00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,400</time>
<s>我可能考虑的维度就会更多一点</s>
<time>353_00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,400</time>
<s>比如说一个单子我就可能不会答应</s>
<time>354_00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,800</time>
<s>但我可能就会失去这个机会</s>
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<s>事实上我也抓住了这个机会</s>
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<s>真的是由于我当时没有那个视角</s>
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<s>没有考虑周到</s>
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<s>对吧</s>
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<s>我还有一个自己特别好奇的问题</s>
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<s>就是创业者的婚恋生育</s>
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<s>你觉得是不是更难平衡的呢？</s>
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<s>创业本身它就是一件很反人性的事情</s>
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<s>就因为你要逆着人性</s>
<time>364_00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,400</time>
<s>去做很多你不喜欢做的事</s>
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<s>它的核心目标也非常非常的</s>
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<s>压迫和明确</s>
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<s>就是你要让公司活下去</s>
<time>368_00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,400</time>
<s>就是你要去获得更多的客户</s>
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<s>这件事情像一个悬在你头上的剑一样</s>
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<s>随时在这</s>
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<s>所以它就会在生活中</s>
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<s>时时刻刻提醒着你</s>
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<s>把自己的身边的人的需求</s>
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<s>包括自己想要去做的事都要往后面去排</s>
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<s>那你看到的创业者他们的亲密关系</s>
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<s>有什么规律吗？</s>
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<s>我先说一个共性</s>
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<s>我觉得共性</s>
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<s>它其实都要求着创业者本身</s>
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<s>和创业者的伴侣</s>
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<s>特别是创业者的伴侣具备更大的智慧</s>
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<s>能跟一个这样</s>
<time>383_00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,600</time>
<s>随时都会抛下你去做另外一件事</s>
<time>384_00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:42,400</time>
<s>然后跟你</s>
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<s>吃饭的时候一直在看手机的人相处下去</s>
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<s>其实还是挺让人难受的</s>
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<s>社会的认知会天然觉得</s>
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<s>男性你去闯事业</s>
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<s>这是一件理所应当的事情</s>
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<s>你去养家庭</s>
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<s>你现在创业就是为了家庭在付出</s>
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<s>但女性你去闯事业</s>
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<s>他就会觉得你自私</s>
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<s>可能你就会变得更挑</s>
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<s>更不好找对象</s>
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<s>也不温柔</s>
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<s>变得更加果断</s>
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<s>所谓的“去女性化”</s>
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<s>社会认知所带来的不同</s>
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<s>在婚恋市场其实完全不一样的</s>
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<s>我很武断讲哈</s>
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<s>想要嫁给男创业者</s>
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<s>留有机会</s>
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<s>以后可能自己家会很有钱的女性</s>
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<s>其实是相当多的</s>
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<s>但是支持女性发展的男性</s>
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<s>其实是相对来说比较少的</s>
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<s>现在比如说像消费品行业啊</s>
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<s>服务行业啊</s>
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<s>包括像一些科技行业啊</s>
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<s>其实女性能参与的会更多一些</s>
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<s>女性创造的价值</s>
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<s>也让大家看到了更多的成功的案例</s>
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<s>所以也会有一个这样的改变吧</s>
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<s>那我还想问最后一个问题</s>
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<s>请问曾诗然小姐拿到了</s>
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<s>福布斯亚洲30岁以下精英榜</s>
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<s>是什么样的感受</s>
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<s>我的真实的感受是</s>
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<s>以后如果真的有一天破产了</s>
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<s>会被更多人知道</s>
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<s>那你害怕这件事吗？</s>
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<s>这也是一个好问题</s>
