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<s>大家好我是xixi</s>
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<s>今天我跟eric来深圳</s>
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<s>参加大学同学的婚礼</s>
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<s>在来的飞机上</s>
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<s>我们有聊到最近听的一些播客</s>
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<s>就想今天录一期播客推荐</s>
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<s>2013年左右</s>
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<s>2015年认识eric之后</s>
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<s>520多小时吧</s>
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<s>大概应该从去年3月份开始嗯</s>
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<s>460个小时</s>
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<s>一个半小时</s>
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<s>工作日的话一个小时</s>
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<s>周末的话两个小时</s>
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<s>津津乐道 声东击西 #戸端会议</s>
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<s>大上海歌舞厅展开讲讲</s>
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<s>#戸端会议 不知道你有沒有听播客的頁惯</s>
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<s>如果你有的话就在屏幕上扣1</s>
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<s>股有的话就在屏幕上扣2</s>
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<s>想看一下有多少是听过播客的朋友</s>
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<s>播客是泛指的音频节目</s>
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<s>国外叫Podcast</s>
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<s>以声音形式呈现的内容产品</s>
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<s>在国外的形式其实挺多的</s>
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<s>有剧情的啊有采访类的呀</s>
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<s>有聊天类的</s>
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<s>传到国内的时候</s>
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<s>最早的呢是一批媒体人</s>
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<s>在尝试做这样的内容</s>
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<s>因为媒体人可能擅长的是访谈</s>
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<s>所以做下来</s>
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<s>播客在国内的主流的形式就是</s>
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<s>以访谈和聊天的方式</s>
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<s>在做的</s>
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<s>国内的播客的定义可能相对来说出较</s>
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<s>狭义</s>
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<s>在中国他的定义可能更接近干</s>
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<s>以音频内容形式出现的以访谈</s>
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<s>和聊天形式为载体的</s>
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<s>深度的输出观点和深度的拆解</s>
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<s>为内容核心的内容形态</s>
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<s>最早的时候你为什么会开始听博客</s>
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<s>那个时候刚非业在外企</s>
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<s>一开始是纯粹是为了学英语</s>
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<s>听国外的播客</s>
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<s>然后了解到国内也有些播客</s>
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<s>嗯比较早的就是像 IT公论</s>
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<s>嗯前年开始突然有了更多的播客</s>
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<s>嗯包括去年那时候疫情</s>
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<s>小宇宙对小宇宙的出现</s>
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<s>小宇宙可以理解成一个</s>
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<s>播客节目的平台</s>
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<s>国内最主流的一款播客收听工具</s>
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<s>我是跟eric在一起</s>
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<s>之后我看他老听这个东西</s>
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<s>在此之前</s>
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<s>我其</s>
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<s>实对干音频内容的了解是非常有限的</s>
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<s>一个是晓说</s>
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<s>一个是单读</s>
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<s>这还有就是到了得到这样的知识</s>
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<s>什费类的产品了</s>
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<s>我是认识eric之后看到他在听</s>
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<s>我就发现这个事情还挺有意思的</s>
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<s>听播客他很放松</s>
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<s>就很像是几个我很喜欢的人</s>
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<s>或者是在某些</s>
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<s>专业方面有所长的人坐在那聊天</s>
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<s>而你刚好就在旁边听听播客</s>
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<s>成为了我eric周末的主要的消遣</s>
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<s>泡一壶茶</s>
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<s>两个人坐在桌子旁边</s>
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<s>然后就开始随机的播放播客</s>
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<s>那个时候</s>
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<s>我其实已经不太喜欢出去社交了</s>
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<s>我念觉得挺无效的</s>
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<s>因为跟人去哈喇跟人去聊天</s>
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<s>聊你是什么星座的</s>
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<s>你是哪毕业的那种</s>
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<s>所谓的社交我都是非常浅</s>
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<s>社交</s>
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<s>很难一下子进入到那种很深度沟通</s>
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<s>那听播客对我来说</s>
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<s>就是打开我的世界的一个方式</s>
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<s>因为好像我去见了很多朋友</s>
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<s>我也做了很多深度沟沟通</s>
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<s>可能我股有参与</s>
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<s>但是我一直在旁立坐着听他们说话</s>
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<s>收获 感对我来说就很强</s>
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<s>我们那个时候会一起在小区里面散步</s>
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<s>我们俩会戴同一个耳机</s>
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<s>会听同一个播客听完了之后</s>
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<s>大家在一起聊一聊</s>
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<s>很容易进入一个很深度沟通的狀本</s>
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<s>那个播客本身聊的内容就我価</s>
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<s>有观点和立场</s>
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<s>是我们価比较关心的内容</s>
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<s>对对对是个引子</s>
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<s>而且对营造了一个氛围那段时间</s>
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<s>我们都好像并不是在听播客</s>
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<s>本质上本质上我们在相处漫长的下午</s>
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<s>胞着茶两个人坐在那</s>
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<s>就一搭股一搭的聊聊天背景音</s>
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<s>还有几个人聊天的声音传出来</s>
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<s>我觉得那个画面我现在想起来</s>
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<s>我都觉得</s>
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<s>是蛮美好的</s>
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<s>播客是一个特別好的能帮助人</s>
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<s>去深度的相处的一种介质</s>
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<s>两个人有要有好的沟通的本质</s>
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<s>并不是说我们俩要一直待在一起</s>
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<s>而是我们是不是能</s>
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<s>接收到相同的内容</s>
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<s>就是you are whatyouread吗</s>
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<s>所谓的一起成长是什么一方面</s>
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<s>他可能是在</s>
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<s>你们今天</s>
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<s>在外面都看到了不同的东西</s>
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<s>所以你们回到家的时候</s>
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<s>你们会互相交換</s>
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<s>但这只是很小的一部分</s>
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<s>听播客对我来说算是认知上的</s>
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<s>拓展你的边界</s>
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<s>而这个拓展的边界</s>
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<s>如果你跟另外一个人是同时发生的</s>
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<s>慢慢的</s>
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<s>你们就会建立出一套自己的语言</s>
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<s>这个时候所谓的一起成长比较容易发生</s>
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<s>我俩刚刚在一起的时候</s>
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<s>我们会在睡觉之前</s>
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<s>嗯互相读书给对方听嗯</s>
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<s>这也是一种很深度的沟通</s>
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<s>以前我们看完同样的书</s>
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<s>看完之后我们俩会做</s>
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<s>做些沟通是吧</s>
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<s>阿兰德波顿有一本书叫爱情笔记</s>
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<s>我们俩同时读了那本书</s>
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<s>那本书里面其实有很多爱情里面的</s>
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<s>非常微妙的时刻</s>
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<s>但这种微妙的时刻事实上在我们日</s>
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<s>常谈话当中是很难涉及到的</s>
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<s>但是他很重要</s>
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<s>因为他涉及到两个人怎么去看待一段</s>
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<s>关系看完那本书</s>
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<s>我们在很多感情当中很微妙很私人的</s>
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<s>听甚至很残酷的时刻去进行这种时论</s>
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<s>其实对干我们对干关系的理解</s>
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<s>对干双方的预期</s>
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<s>我觉得是蛮有帮助的</s>
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<s>眞正的沟通不是说</s>
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<s>我一定要坐下来跟你聊天</s>
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<s>只是十一是不是要回家看父母啊</s>
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<s>孩子的衣服要不要买了呀有日常琐事</s>
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<s>如果每次的聊天都是仅限于这种</s>
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<s>shallowtalk</s>
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<s>对我是一种消耗</s>
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<s>如果是我们能进入到一种比较深的聊</s>
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<s>天的话</s>
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<s>我每次都觉得这种聊天结束了之后</s>
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<s>我会挺得到力量的</s>
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<s>这个睡前聊天</s>
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<s>其实就是做一个视频版的播客</s>
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<s>我们听播客挺久的了</s>
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<s>我就在想我们是不是也试着聊聊天</s>
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<s>然后记录下来</s>
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<s>第二个好处</s>
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<s>播客确实成为了我们就是</s>
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<s>效率最高的</s>
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<s>接收内容</s>
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<s>的一种方式</s>
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<s>至少是我获取深度信息</s>
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<s>最主要的来源之一了</s>
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<s>手机其实信息量真的是爆炸了</s>
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<s>嗯这种信息量有点太干了千货</s>
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<s>听书的那种音频</s>
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<s>我现在已经基本完全不听了</s>
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<s>就很像一个葡萄被变成了葡萄干</s>
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<s>对他就只有糖分了</s>
<time>179_00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:35,600</time>
<s>但随着你的成长</s>
<time>180_00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,600</time>
<s>你会发现虽然糖分很重要</s>
<time>181_00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:38,800</time>
<s>也很好吃</s>
<time>182_00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,400</time>
<s>可是你想吃那些果肉纤维</s>
<time>183_00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,600</time>
<s>就你想吃这个东西本来的味道</s>
<time>184_00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,400</time>
<s>当你听到一个知识分子</s>
<time>185_00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,800</time>
<s>上比如说梁文道在播客里面娓娓道来</s>
<time>186_00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,400</time>
<s>去回答一个读者的问题</s>
<time>187_00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,200</time>
<s>他可能是一个特別鸡毛蒜皮的事情</s>
<time>188_00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,200</time>
<s>但是你会觉得</s>
<time>189_00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,600</time>
<s>这样的回答让你觉得非常的亲切</s>
<time>190_00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,000</time>
<s>非常的得体</s>
<time>191_00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000</time>
<s>你能感受到</s>
<time>192_00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,200</time>
<s>老一代知识分子的体面的时候</s>
<time>193_00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,400</time>
<s>你会觉得特別感动</s>
<time>194_00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,600</time>
<s>获取信息主要分为两种</s>
<time>195_00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,400</time>
<s>一种是那种</s>
<time>196_00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,800</time>
<s>你知道这个新闻只需要一分钟</s>
<time>197_00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,200</time>
<s>如果你要知道这个新闻是怎么发生的</s>
<time>198_00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,000</time>
<s>就要10分钟</s>
<time>199_00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,600</time>
<s>你真的知</s>
<time>200_00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,400</time>
<s>要知道这这个事情是为什么</s>
<time>201_00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,200</time>
<s>会这么发生</s>
<time>202_00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,600</time>
<s>我对你至少需要一个小时</s>
<time>203_00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,400</time>
<s>类似干像谈话这种过程是</s>
<time>204_00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,200</time>
<s>你边听边思考</s>
<time>205_00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,400</time>
<s>而且他是有一个循序渐进的一个过程</s>
<time>206_00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,200</time>
<s>我们価刚才聊这东西</s>
<time>207_00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,400</time>
<s>如果你把用字把它写下来兌眞的</s>
<time>208_00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,200</time>
<s>三五句话都写完了</s>
<time>209_00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,800</time>
<s>但是如果你听我们俩在这聊</s>
<time>210_00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,000</time>
<s>你能听到我们俩声音</s>
<time>211_00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,200</time>
<s>嗯你能听到我们俩</s>
<time>212_00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,200</time>
<s>聊这个事情的一些语气</s>
<time>213_00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,000</time>
<s>听到我们俩声音的这种熟悉感</s>
<time>214_00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,400</time>
<s>嗯你听完了之后</s>
<time>215_00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,200</time>
<s>对我们刚才要表达这些</s>
<time>216_00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,200</time>
<s>其实对的接受的程度是完全不一样</s>
<time>217_00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,600</time>
<s>刚才你也提到公众号吗</s>
<time>218_00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,000</time>
<s>公众号之前也看</s>
<time>219_00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,800</time>
<s>但是现在公众号</s>
<time>220_00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,600</time>
<s>他筛击的门槛对我来说其实还是蛮</s>
<time>221_00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,200</time>
<s>高的</s>
<time>222_00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,400</time>
<s>有很多内容机构</s>
<time>223_00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,000</time>
<s>都已经涌入到这个里面来</s>
<time>224_00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,800</time>
<s>他要吸引你去把它点开</s>
<time>225_00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,200</time>
<s>然后就会会起很多对</s>
<time>226_00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,000</time>
<s>现在的所有的内容平台</s>
<time>227_00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,800</time>
<s>其实都面临一个问题</s>
<time>228_00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,000</time>
<s>就是标题党嘛</s>
<time>229_00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,200</time>
<s>他会让筛壯内容这件事情变得更复杂</s>
<time>230_00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,600</time>
<s>由干这些</s>
<time>231_00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,800</time>
<s>内容平台已经快速的泛化了</s>
<time>232_00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,200</time>
<s>就意味着上面的内容其实是非常庞杂</s>
<time>233_00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,200</time>
<s>非常庞杂的</s>
<time>234_00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,200</time>
<s>你要从这么庞杂内容当中筛选到</s>
<time>235_00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,000</time>
<s>适合你去阅读</s>
<time>236_00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,400</time>
<s>你的成本其实是蛮高的</s>
<time>237_00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,200</time>
<s>比如说当年英国流行的黄色小报</s>
<time>238_00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,800</time>
<s>就是以那种极端的恐不暴力</s>
<time>239_00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,000</time>
<s>塞井起家的那种</s>
<time>240_00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,400</time>
<s>但是流量非常好的报纸</s>
<time>241_00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:14,600</time>
<s>就会挤占掉</s>
<time>242_00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,400</time>
<s>那些眞正的严肃新闻的版面</s>
<time>243_00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,400</time>
<s>其实现在在各个内容平台这个</s>
<time>244_00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,800</time>
<s>现象也在出现吗</s>
<time>245_00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,200</time>
<s>播客现在这个媒介形式比较小众</s>
<time>246_00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,800</time>
<s>并不是一个有利可图的事情</s>
<time>247_00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,000</time>
<s>除了最头部的大概三四个</s>
<time>248_00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,600</time>
<s>大部分的播客机构都不能商业化</s>
<time>249_00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,200</time>
<s>像小宇宙这样每天的日活</s>
<time>250_00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,800</time>
<s>看他首页数据估计可能就是10万左右</s>
<time>251_00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,000</time>
<s>就沒有太多的</s>
<time>252_00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000</time>
<s>非常商业化的内容生产者冲进来</s>
<time>253_00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,600</time>
<s>大部分的这个内容创作者</s>
<time>254_00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,600</time>
<s>在播客这个赛道</s>
<time>255_00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,000</time>
<s>应该都是出于自己的本心</s>
<time>256_00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,200</time>
<s>就是非常想创作</s>
<time>257_00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,800</time>
<s>有非常强列的创作欲望</s>
<time>258_00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,000</time>
<s>他才会来做这个事情</s>
<time>259_00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,400</time>
<s>现在</s>
<time>260_00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,000</time>
<s>已经进入的播客内容的创作者都是以</s>
<time>261_00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,400</time>
<s>前媒体人为主啊</s>
<time>262_00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,600</time>
<s>那就保证呢</s>
<time>263_00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,800</time>
<s>他们都是经过比较专业的内容训练的</s>
<time>264_00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,400</time>
<s>这样呢就在这个平台上</s>
<time>265_00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,800</time>
<s>内容筛选的效率其实会比较高</s>
<time>266_00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,400</time>
<s>今天同学结婚</s>
<time>267_00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,400</time>
<s>见到了很多熟悉的大学同学</s>
<time>268_00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,600</time>
<s>就会发现</s>
<time>269_00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,000</time>
<s>其实大家现在从事的职业</s>
<time>270_00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,400</time>
<s>大学时学习的东西眞的沒有什么关系</s>
<time>271_00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,000</time>
<s>事实上大家的职场技能都是通过</s>
<time>272_00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,400</time>
<s>毕业之后在工作过程当中去学习的</s>
<time>273_00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,600</time>
<s>會经我以为学习可能是有一个</s>
<time>274_00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,400</time>
<s>时间期限的</s>
<time>275_00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,400</time>
<s>就我在这个时间期限里专注的去学习</s>
<time>276_00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,400</time>
<s>那学习结束之日</s>
<time>277_00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,200</time>
<s>我就可以用我学到的东西去应对</s>
<time>278_00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,400</time>
<s>一切的问题</s>
<time>279_00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,800</time>
<s>在后面我发现显然不是的</s>
<time>280_00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,600</time>
<s>大家都是在工作过程当中</s>
<time>281_00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,000</time>
<s>或者说在每一天当中去成长</s>
<time>282_00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,400</time>
<s>去学习去拓展自己认知的边界</s>
<time>283_00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,200</time>
<s>然后再把这种拓展的东西</s>
<time>284_00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,600</time>
<s>运用到自己的工作当中</s>
<time>285_00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,200</time>
<s>学习这个动作就跟你</s>
<time>286_00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,600</time>
<s>接收信息的来源是什么有很大的关系</s>
<time>287_00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,200</time>
<s>有很多人都跟我说是通过社交去</s>
<time>288_00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,200</time>
<s>认识各行各业</s>
<time>289_00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,200</time>
<s>非常多很厉害的人去听他们的经验</s>
<time>290_00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,200</time>
<s>我觉得这一点播客能做到</s>
<time>291_00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,400</time>
<s>也有很多人说去比如说学习知识</s>
<time>292_00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,800</time>
<s>什费去学习系统性的知识</s>
<time>293_00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,400</time>
<s>我觉得这一点播客里面也有</s>
<time>294_00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,000</time>
<s>还有的人说是去</s>
<time>295_00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,600</time>
<s>呃看新闻看资讯</s>
<time>296_00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000</time>
<s>解很多这个世界正在发生的新的东西</s>
<time>297_00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,600</time>
<s>我觉得这个播客也能做到</s>
<time>298_00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:58,800</time>
<s>我就还蛮喜欢</s>
<time>299_00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,400</time>
<s>通过这种方式</s>
<time>300_00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,800</time>
<s>去让自己的世界每天都大一点点</s>
<time>301_00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,200</time>
<s>我现在发现我对很多</s>
<time>302_00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,600</time>
<s>上比如说不管是我自己行业的一些</s>
<time>303_00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000</time>
<s>7解还是行业之外的一些了解</s>
<time>304_00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,800</time>
<s>其实很多很多东西</s>
<time>305_00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,200</time>
<s>都是来自干我听过的一些</s>
<time>306_00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,200</time>
<s>播客节目</s>
<time>307_00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,400</time>
<s>听一个播客里讲的</s>
<time>308_00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,600</time>
<s>说世界上</s>
<time>309_00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,000</time>
<s>只有一小部分人会主动去获取信息</s>
<time>310_00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,400</time>
<s>大部分的人其实是被动接收信息</s>
<time>311_00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,400</time>
<s>一定要做去主动获取信息的人</s>
<time>312_00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,200</time>
<s>因为youare whatyouread</s>
<time>313_00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:25,600</time>
<s>就你接</s>
<time>314_00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,400</time>
<s>收什么样的信息</s>
<time>315_00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,200</time>
<s>久而久之你就会变成什么样的人</s>
<time>316_00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,600</time>
<s>一定要主动的去排选值得接收的信息</s>
<time>317_00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,000</time>
<s>我觉得播客也许是一个</s>
<time>318_00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,200</time>
<s>进入门槛比较低的</s>
<time>319_00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,600</time>
<s>有效获取信息的方法</s>
<time>320_00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,600</time>
<s>接F来我们就从我们过去一年</s>
<time>321_00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,000</time>
<s>周青时长前十的播客当中排三个</s>
<time>322_00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,600</time>
<s>我们觉得很值得分享给大家的</s>
<time>323_00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,600</time>
<s>小小的推荐一下</s>
<time>324_00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,800</time>
<s>我推荐的第一个是</s>
<time>325_00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:47,800</time>
<s>声东击西</s>
<time>326_00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,200</time>
<s>嗯徐涛最开始做的硅谷早知道嗯</s>
<time>327_00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,000</time>
<s>就主要是我觉得我主要是跟着</s>
<time>328_00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,600</time>
<s>徐涛这个人最开始做</s>
<time>329_00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,000</time>
<s>他们也是一群驻美记者</s>
<time>330_00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000</time>
<s>嗯主要是去看美国的</s>
<time>331_00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,200</time>
<s>互联网科技圈投资圈的一些事情</s>
<time>332_00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,000</time>
<s>包括邀请这个行业里面的中美的一些</s>
<time>333_00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,600</time>
<s>很资深的嘉宾在一起聊最近的一些</s>
<time>334_00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,400</time>
<s>互联网行业</s>
<time>335_00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,200</time>
<s>发生的事情</s>
<time>336_00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,400</time>
<s>嗯跟我在互联网这个行业非常相关</s>
<time>337_00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,200</time>
<s>嗯所以一开始就非常感兴趣</s>
<time>338_00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,400</time>
<s>听他们那个播客</s>
<time>339_00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,600</time>
<s>比我从不管是今日头条</s>
<time>340_00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,600</time>
<s>还是微信公众号里面看到</s>
<time>341_00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,000</time>
<s>里面</s>
<time>342_00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,000</time>
<s>对某一件事情的描述其实是深度是有</s>
<time>343_00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,400</time>
<s>是有非常大的对</s>
<time>344_00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,200</time>
<s>因为他的嘉宾很多时候都是记者</s>
<time>345_00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,200</time>
<s>也就是在某一个行业</s>
<time>346_00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,600</time>
<s>其实有过非常多年</s>
<time>347_00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,000</time>
<s>分析跟采访经验的人</s>
<time>348_00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,800</time>
<s>很多时候是专家跟学者</s>
<time>349_00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,800</time>
<s>也就是在某一个观点里面</s>
<time>350_00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,800</time>
<s>其实做了 几十年的内容积累的</s>
<time>351_00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,400</time>
<s>系统性梳理的这样的人</s>
<time>352_00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,000</time>
<s>然后还有很多是那种</s>
<time>353_00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,200</time>
<s>比较资深的行业内的亲历者</s>
<time>354_00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,200</time>
<s>ta有几十年的经验</s>
<time>355_00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:39,800</time>
<s>所以他</s>
<time>356_00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,800</time>
<s>对这个事情的理解也是足够有效的</s>
<time>357_00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,600</time>
<s>声东击西应该做的挺久的他是</s>
<time>358_00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,000</time>
<s>国内应该最早的一批播客</s>
<time>359_00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,800</time>
<s>徐涛之前是《第一财经周刊》的</s>
<time>360_00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,400</time>
<s>她在l第一财经周刊》应该待了很久</s>
<time>361_00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,000</time>
<s>后面就去美国</s>
<time>362_00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,200</time>
<s>应该是做36氪的</s>
<time>363_00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,000</time>
<s>驻美记者</s>
<time>364_00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000</time>
<s>她帮我对我所从事的行业里面</s>
<time>365_00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,000</time>
<s>最新发生的事情和背后的那些投资人</s>
<time>366_00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,400</time>
<s>然后包括企业家那些思考</s>
<time>367_00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,200</time>
<s>有的非常多的一些了解吧</s>
<time>368_00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,200</time>
<s>他们是一个播客公司（声动話泼）</s>
<time>369_00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,800</time>
<s>我不知道拿融资了沒有今年</s>
<time>370_00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,400</time>
<s>其实已经开了十几档新的节目了</s>
<time>371_00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,200</time>
<s>可能跟徐涛的背景有关系</s>
<time>372_00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,000</time>
<s>这十几档节目</s>
<time>373_00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,400</time>
<s>基本上都是集中在科技财经领域学</s>
<time>374_00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,600</time>
<s>徐涛本身是一个很谦虛的人</s>
<time>375_00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,200</time>
<s>听她的声音其实就很舒服</s>
<time>376_00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,000</time>
<s>是股有压迫感的</s>
<time>377_00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000</time>
<s>在每次做一个新的课题的之前</s>
<time>378_00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:23,800</time>
<s>你都能感受到</s>
<time>379_00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,200</time>
<s>她为了准备这期播客</s>
<time>380_00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,400</time>
<s>进行了大量的阅读</s>
<time>381_00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,600</time>
<s>她一方面很谦虛</s>
<time>382_00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,400</time>
<s>一方面又做了大量的知识储备的时候</s>
<time>383_00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,800</time>
<s>她跟对方的聊天其实会进入到一个</s>
<time>384_00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,000</time>
<s>比较能激发对方的狀态出中去</s>
<time>385_00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,400</time>
<s>想推荐的第一个播客还比较小众</s>
<time>386_00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,000</time>
<s>小宇宙上订阅的人数也不多</s>
<time>387_00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,600</time>
<s>我都忘记我是怎么发现他的</s>
<time>388_00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,000</time>
<s>但到目前为止他都是我收听时长</s>
<time>389_00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,800</time>
<s>位居榜首的一个</s>
<time>390_00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,800</time>
<s>播客叫做大上海歌舞厅</s>
<time>391_00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,200</time>
<s>我最喜欢这个播客的地方</s>
<time>392_00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,600</time>
<s>其实不是因为他的内容</s>
<time>393_00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800</time>
<s>是因为他的主播他的主播是七个主播</s>
<time>394_00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,400</time>
<s>很多是从小一起长大的</s>
<time>395_00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,600</time>
<s>有很多是初中同学</s>
<time>396_00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,400</time>
<s>有很多可能是大学室友</s>
<time>397_00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,200</time>
<s>呃之类的</s>
<time>398_00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,000</time>
<s>七个关系极好的女孩</s>
<time>399_00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000</time>
<s>一路呱叽喳喳长大的这么一个狀本</s>
<time>400_00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000</time>
<s>然这个播客其实是一个八卦播客</s>
<time>401_00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,600</time>
<s>就他会讲很多就追星啊爱豆啊塌房啊</s>
<time>402_00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,400</time>
<s>娛乐圈的事情他的口号叫</s>
<time>403_00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,200</time>
<s>随便工作认眞娛乐</s>
<time>404_00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,000</time>
<s>我第一次听的那一期在讲饭圈的</s>
<time>405_00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,400</time>
<s>一些打投规则呀</s>
<time>406_00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,600</time>
<s>追溯了一些比如说免区</s>
<time>407_00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,000</time>
<s>鹅组什么的历史</s>
<time>408_00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,400</time>
<s>突然打开了我的新的世界</s>
<time>409_00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,800</time>
<s>因为在此之前</s>
<time>410_00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,000</time>
<s>我的世界里面其实从来股有追过星</s>
<time>411_00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,600</time>
<s>突然发现原来追星是这么快乐的事情</s>
<time>412_00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,800</time>
<s>我是跟着</s>
<time>413_00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,000</time>
<s>这里面的主播</s>
<time>414_00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,800</time>
<s>非常眞情实感的去搞了创四</s>
<time>415_00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:31,200</time>
<s>睛三</s>
<time>416_00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,000</time>
<s>也开始看很多甜宠剧啊什么之类的</s>
<time>417_00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,200</time>
<s>呃也开始嗑 cp</s>
<time>418_00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:36,600</time>
<s>能看到我的变化对吧</s>
<time>419_00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,800</time>
<s>因为我之前其实是一个非常追求</s>
<time>420_00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,600</time>
<s>效率的人</s>
