<time>1294_00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,320</time>
<s>这么一最基本的</s>
<time>1295_00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,040</time>
<s>人文关怀都没有</s>
<time>1296_00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,120</time>
<s>讽刺了国民性</s>
<time>1297_00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640</time>
<s>这个最后常四爷说了</s>
<time>1298_00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,960</time>
<s>我看这大清国是要完哪</s>
<time>1299_00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,280</time>
<s>这是导演的处理</s>
<time>1300_00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,000</time>
<s>演员怎么办</s>
<time>1301_00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:22,800</time>
<s>我当时在</s>
<time>1302_00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,600</time>
<s>试了</s>
<time>1303_00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,400</time>
<s>四五个演员大概</s>
<time>1304_00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,560</time>
<s>前面几个都打得不对</s>
<time>1305_00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,160</time>
<s>一个这不行这个</s>
<time>1306_00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,400</time>
<s>还不行这也不行</s>
<time>1307_00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,560</time>
<s>那个夏淳导演（当年人艺副院长）</s>
<time>1308_00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,160</time>
<s>就要打得极其舒服</s>
<time>1309_00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,400</time>
<s>最后有一个叫张青山的</s>
<time>1310_00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,000</time>
<s>你要非说人家小演员</s>
<time>1311_00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,080</time>
<s>还不是演员</s>
<time>1312_00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:49,800</time>
<s>他是演员</s>
<time>1313_00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,880</time>
<s>张青山是演员</s>
<time>1314_00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:51,600</time>
<s>是演员</s>
<time>1315_00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,320</time>
<s>那我不认识</s>
<time>1316_00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,120</time>
<s>演了很多年戏</s>
<time>1317_00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,560</time>
<s>但是没有特别出彩</s>
<time>1318_00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,360</time>
<s>就这哈欠出了彩了</s>
<time>1319_00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,320</time>
<s>别人谁也打不过他太牛了</s>
<time>1320_00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,840</time>
<s>这我就理解</s>
<time>1321_00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,080</time>
<s>这厂家得找他打哈欠做一个广告</s>
<time>1322_00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960</time>
<s>没错深度好睡眠</s>
<time>1323_00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,200</time>
<s>您说我就理解您刚才说</s>
<time>1324_00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,640</time>
<s>这个树形了</s>
<time>1325_00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:17,880</time>
<s>就是您要真的是出神了</s>
<time>1326_00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:18,600</time>
<s>学得出神了</s>
<time>1327_00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,760</time>
<s>他这个观众一下子就进去了</s>
<time>1328_00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,000</time>
<s>树形首先是树心形</s>
<time>1329_00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,880</time>
<s>就是我叫附体</s>
<time>1330_00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,840</time>
<s>你从心理上一定要变成那个人</s>
<time>1331_00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,000</time>
<s>我曾经演过一个《小井胡同》</s>
<time>1332_00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,080</time>
<s>一个卖咸带鱼的</s>
<time>1333_00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,400</time>
<s>这个当时特殊时期</s>
<time>1334_00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,480</time>
<s>他们家出身不好</s>
<time>1335_00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,080</time>
<s>又老受人家挤兑看不起</s>
<time>1336_00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,600</time>
<s>结果他那个二叔就说你呀</s>
<time>1337_00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,200</time>
<s>把他这侄子找来</s>
<time>1338_00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,800</time>
<s>说哪天你就冒充一个解放军</s>
<time>1339_00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,960</time>
<s>上我们家来看看我来</s>
<time>1340_00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,280</time>
<s>就告诉他们我们家里有当兵的</s>
<time>1341_00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,800</time>
<s>我们家出身也没那么差</s>
<time>1342_00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,400</time>
<s>结果这个卖咸带鱼这傻小子</s>
<time>1343_00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,920</time>
<s>又傻又笨胆儿又小</s>
<time>1344_00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,360</time>
<s>所以上来他有那么一段</s>
<time>1345_00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,160</time>
<s>他说二叔忙哪</s>
<time>1346_00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,680</time>
<s>战备工作这么紧张</s>
<time>1347_00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,200</time>
<s>好不容易才请了半天假</s>
<time>1348_00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,720</time>
<s>我们首长说您二叔</s>
<time>1349_00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,520</time>
<s>不就是常到我们部队来的</s>
<time>1350_00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,600</time>
<s>那位老同志吗</s>
<time>1351_00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,680</time>
<s>就这么一段词</s>
<time>1352_00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,560</time>
<s>一叔忙响</s>
<time>1353_00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,160</time>
<s>你要把他鲜明起来</s>
<time>1354_00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,680</time>
<s>演活了怎么办</s>
<time>1355_00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,120</time>
<s>就前面那四个字</s>
<time>1356_00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360</time>
<s>我们塑造人物</s>
<time>1357_00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:37,800</time>
<s>第一就是说这个附体</s>
<time>1358_00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,960</time>
<s>你必须要找到他这个感觉</s>
<time>1359_00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:40,680</time>
<s>你变成他</s>
<time>1360_00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:41,760</time>
<s>以后站着坐着</s>
<time>1361_00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,480</time>
<s>卧着走着</s>
<time>1362_00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,360</time>
<s>见着谁说全都是这个人的这个话</s>
<time>1363_00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:46,440</time>
<s>他自然了</s>
<time>1364_00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,880</time>
<s>所以我就一直就</s>
<time>1365_00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:48,960</time>
<s>我们第一个工作就是说</s>
<time>1366_00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,040</time>
<s>我怎么变成他</s>
<time>1367_00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,560</time>
<s>那会儿还骑着自行车</s>
<time>1368_00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,360</time>
<s>一边儿骑一边儿就说</s>
<time>1369_00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,160</time>
<s>进门说二叔忙哪</s>
<time>1370_00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,680</time>
<s>这不对这傻小子不那么说</s>
<time>1371_00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,560</time>
<s>咱们那小杜杜文和</s>
<time>1372_00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,000</time>
<s>我从他那儿找着了</s>
<time>1373_00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:03,720</time>
<s>因为什么呢</s>
<time>1374_00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,520</time>
<s>他见人老讨好</s>
<time>1375_00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,040</time>
<s>忙哪</s>
<time>1376_00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,120</time>
<s>我就见过这样的人</s>
<time>1377_00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,360</time>
<s>忙哪他还挺高兴</s>
<time>1378_00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,240</time>
<s>这个北京那孩子说话</s>
<time>1379_00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,320</time>
<s>还有点大舌头</s>
<time>1380_00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,400</time>
<s>二叔不叫二叔二叔</s>
<time>1381_00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,200</time>
<s>他吃字</s>
<time>1382_00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,280</time>
<s>所以这四个字</s>
<time>1383_00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,160</time>
<s>出来以后进来一看</s>
<time>1384_00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,960</time>
<s>他穿的是解放军的衣服</s>
<time>1385_00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,400</time>
<s>背着包穿着个新鞋子</s>
<time>1386_00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,000</time>
<s>结果这解放军还得给人家翰射</s>
<time>1387_00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,440</time>
<s>那会儿翰带打千儿</s>
<time>1388_00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,600</time>
<s>没有完全变过来</s>
<time>1389_00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,040</time>
<s>打千儿是这样</s>
<time>1390_00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,200</time>
<s>到后来就不这样了</s>
<time>1391_00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,720</time>
<s>就这样歪一边儿</s>
<time>1392_00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,960</time>
<s>再往后就光往前套拉脑袋</s>
<time>1393_00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:45,480</time>
<s>忙哪</s>
<time>1394_00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,200</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>1395_00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:47,640</time>
<s>忙哪这个</s>
<time>1396_00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,080</time>
<s>所以摸这个</s>
<time>1397_00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,520</time>
<s>见了傻不呼呼的样儿</s>
<time>1398_00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:53,040</time>
<s>忙哪</s>
<time>1399_00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,560</time>
<s>就这个我就琢磨</s>
<time>1400_00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,800</time>
<s>二叔忙哪</s>
<time>1401_00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,240</time>
<s>就这工夫有一个人</s>
<time>1402_00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,760</time>
<s>我就晕进去了入境了</s>
<time>1403_00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,560</time>
<s>有一个人骑自行车从旁边过去</s>
<time>1404_00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,280</time>
<s>给我一句话</s>
<time>1405_00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,080</time>
<s>告诉我说神经病</s>
<time>1406_00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:09,960</time>
<s>我这才醒过来</s>
<time>1407_00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,200</time>
<s>这个你们是画家</s>
<time>1408_00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,360</time>
<s>用身体不是</s>
<time>1409_00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:16,080</time>
<s>我也不知道怎么说</s>
<time>1410_00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,520</time>
<s>这就是画家</s>
<time>1411_00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:18,960</time>
<s>去描摹一个</s>
<time>1412_00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,480</time>
<s>画家当然你看的是他外形</s>
<time>1413_00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,200</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1414_00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,720</time>
<s>好的画家能让你看到他的心里</s>
<time>1415_00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,160</time>
<s>能看到这个意</s>
<time>1416_00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,600</time>
<s>这个真是不得了了</s>
<time>1417_00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,280</time>
<s>然后后边你就得给他改成这背书</s>
<time>1418_00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,080</time>
<s>人家给他写到手心</s>
<time>1419_00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,520</time>
<s>他自己写手心里</s>
<time>1420_00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,320</time>
<s>战备工作这么紧张</s>
<time>1421_00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,120</time>
<s>我们首长说你二叔</s>
<time>1422_00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,560</time>
<s>不就是常到我们部队来的</s>
<time>1423_00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,000</time>
<s>那位老同志吗</s>
<time>1424_00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,520</time>
<s>人很老实嘛</s>
<time>1425_00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,600</time>
<s>我婷妈哪</s>
<time>1426_00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,840</time>
<s>然后他就变成这么一个人</s>
<time>1427_00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,080</time>
<s>他先是心里你要变成他</s>
<time>1428_00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:52,800</time>
<s>活灵活现</s>
<time>1429_00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:54,960</time>
<s>而且您上次刚才讲一个</s>
<time>1430_00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,400</time>
<s>我觉得那更高了</s>
<time>1431_00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,920</time>
<s>我觉得这个就是在艺术上的</s>
<time>1432_00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,800</time>
<s>很多非常高的这个境界</s>
<time>1433_00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,960</time>
<s>我好像也是听您说的</s>
<time>1434_00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,120</time>
<s>就是说也是舒绣文老师吧</s>
<time>1435_00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,920</time>
<s>是说后来是李婉芬老师</s>
<time>1436_00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,800</time>
<s>演一个什么《骆驼祥子》对吗</s>
<time>1437_00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,240</time>
<s>演《骆驼祥子》</s>
<time>1438_00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,400</time>
<s>演完之后说让舒绣文老师看</s>
<time>1439_00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,840</time>
<s>说看完了之后就说</s>
<time>1440_00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,280</time>
<s>你演得挺好</s>
<time>1441_00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,160</time>
<s>这个李婉芬老师就说哪儿好</s>
<time>1442_00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,240</time>
<s>你知道舒绣文老师说什么</s>
<time>1443_00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:22,680</time>
<s>不告诉你</s>
<time>1444_00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,920</time>
<s>告诉你下次就不好了</s>
<time>1445_00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,360</time>
<s>真好</s>
<time>1446_00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,520</time>
<s>我一直记到现在</s>
<time>1447_00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,400</time>
<s>我觉得这个演员</s>
<time>1448_00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,560</time>
<s>因为我主持人都有这个体会</s>
<time>1449_00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,000</time>
<s>你要意识到</s>
<time>1450_00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,520</time>
<s>你比如说观众夸你什么地儿好</s>
<time>1451_00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,320</time>
<s>你下次这分寸就不对了</s>
<time>1452_00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:41,760</time>
<s>你有了意了</s>
<time>1453_00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:42,840</time>
<s>你一强调就坏了</s>
<time>1454_00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,920</time>
<s>着了意了</s>
<time>1455_00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,360</time>
<s>这个例子可以就是</s>
<time>1456_00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:47,160</time>
<s>我们在人艺学习</s>
<time>1457_00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,400</time>
<s>有一篇文章的标题就是这个</s>
<time>1458_00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,080</time>
<s>就是创作本质上是即兴的</s>
<time>1459_00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:58,320</time>
<s>本质都是即兴的</s>
<time>1460_00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,120</time>
<s>今儿咱们在一起</s>
<time>1461_00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:00,840</time>
<s>聊天</s>
<time>1462_00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,920</time>
<s>必须即兴</s>
<time>1463_00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,880</time>
<s>咱就随随便便聊</s>
<time>1464_00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,320</time>
<s>甬有负担</s>
<time>1465_00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,200</time>
<s>到我这儿没什么那个任务</s>
<time>1466_00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:10,920</time>
<s>这都是我说的话</s>
<time>1467_00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,440</time>
<s>对你就想希望</s>
<time>1468_00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,320</time>
<s>到你这儿来喝茶的茶客</s>
<time>1469_00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,120</time>
<s>要即兴状态</s>
<time>1470_00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:19,560</time>
<s>碰什么是什么</s>
<time>1471_00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,280</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1472_00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,160</time>
<s>剪接由导演后台剪去</s>
<time>1473_00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,960</time>
<s>爱怎么地</s>
<time>1474_00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,760</time>
<s>对他这即兴状态</s>
<time>1475_00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,000</time>
<s>实际上是创作的一个规律</s>
<time>1476_00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,440</time>
<s>对好像您刚才说过</s>
<time>1477_00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,880</time>
<s>是玩什么之类的</s>
<time>1478_00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:33,600</time>
<s>对真的</s>
<time>1479_00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,840</time>
<s>贝多芬多少遍的演奏</s>
<time>1480_00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:37,920</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>1481_00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,880</time>
<s>百遍听他希望获得</s>
<time>1482_00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,400</time>
<s>即兴状态的对吧</s>
<time>1483_00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,920</time>
<s>这个我们这即兴是没法不即兴</s>
<time>1484_00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,440</time>
<s>但您那个即兴是多少遍之后</s>
<time>1485_00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:50,160</time>
<s>每一次还像（第一次）</s>
<time>1486_00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,960</time>
<s>你想梅兰芳先生</s>
<time>1487_00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,760</time>
<s>那一代老式京剧的人演的</s>
<time>1488_00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,920</time>
<s>是百看不厌是为什么</s>
<time>1489_00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,520</time>
<s>术在那儿我的技术</s>
<time>1490_00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,480</time>
<s>决定我每一次都是即兴的</s>
<time>1491_00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,360</time>
<s>术这就很高了</s>
<time>1492_00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,400</time>
<s>我不是叫什么</s>
<time>1493_00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,720</time>
<s>我们话剧不叫拷贝艺术</s>
<time>1494_00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,960</time>
<s>拷贝艺术每次都一样的</s>
<time>1495_00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,560</time>
<s>出胶片拍一次这个就行了</s>
<time>1496_00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,640</time>
<s>我们场场演</s>
<time>1497_00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:25,440</time>
<s>说的一样的词</s>
<time>1498_00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,600</time>
<s>演的一样的事</s>
<time>1499_00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,920</time>
<s>但是你每天要</s>
<time>1500_00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,440</time>
<s>你那个技术保证你每次都真</s>
<time>1501_00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,040</time>
<s>这个东西其实也不难</s>
<time>1502_00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,480</time>
<s>就是我们一遍遍地排练</s>
<time>1503_00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,640</time>
<s>一遍遍排练都是再来一遍</s>
<time>1504_00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:42,360</time>
<s>再来一遍</s>
<time>1505_00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:43,080</time>
<s>必须复零</s>
<time>1506_00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:44,880</time>
<s>再来一遍必须复零</s>
<time>1507_00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,480</time>
<s>这个东西比如说情感戏</s>
<time>1508_00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,360</time>
<s>特别难言的情感戏</s>
<time>1509_00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,320</time>
<s>这个东西你要达到技术</s>
<time>1510_00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,120</time>
<s>你比如说于是之老师</s>
<time>1511_00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,200</time>
<s>给我们讲过课</s>
<time>1512_00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:59,640</time>
<s>我还在空军</s>
<time>1513_00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:00,720</time>
<s>空军话剧团</s>
<time>1514_00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,240</time>
<s>然后于是之老师来讲表演课</s>
<time>1515_00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,320</time>
<s>他讲了好多</s>
<time>1516_00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,760</time>
<s>我就记住一句话</s>
<time>1517_00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,000</time>
<s>他说你甬信那个体验</s>
<time>1518_00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,040</time>
<s>我们都觉得要听他体验的授课</s>
<time>1519_00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,840</time>
<s>就是一个演员表演艺术</s>
<time>1520_00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,360</time>
<s>你一定要体验到人物里面去</s>
<time>1521_00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,240</time>
<s>我们就想奔着这个体验</s>
<time>1522_00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,400</time>
<s>他说你别都信这个</s>
<time>1523_00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,920</time>
<s>你比如说我演那个小妞子（那场戏）</s>
<time>1524_00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:29,160</time>
<s>小刘麻子要带着人</s>
<time>1525_00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,960</time>
<s>来收他这个茶馆来了</s>
<time>1526_00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,840</time>
<s>那个吉普车那个刹车的声</s>
<time>1527_00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,080</time>
<s>像是一个墨耗</s>
<time>1528_00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,520</time>
<s>然后他就</s>
<time>1529_00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,480</time>
<s>爷爷你倒是带她走</s>
<time>1530_00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:43,200</time>
<s>带她走</s>
<time>1531_00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:44,640</time>
<s>那个是感情戏</s>
<time>1532_00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:45,360</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1533_00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,520</time>
<s>快点逃走</s>
<time>1534_00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:48,600</time>
<s>坏蛋来了</s>
<time>1535_00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,760</time>
<s>他说这点是难言的</s>
<time>1536_00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,560</time>
<s>可是他又使劲地</s>
<time>1537_00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,720</time>
<s>楼着那个小妞子的肩膀</s>
<time>1538_00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:56,880</time>
<s>但是他自己又踏脚</s>
<time>1539_00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,320</time>
<s>他说快走</s>
<time>1540_00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,120</time>
<s>他说我每次演的时候</s>
<time>1541_00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,280</time>
<s>有的时候一边儿说着</s>
<time>1542_00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,080</time>
<s>今儿演得好</s>
<time>1543_00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,400</time>
<s>然后有的时候说今天不大对</s>
<time>1544_00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:09,840</time>
<s>他就讲什么呢</s>
<time>1545_00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,640</time>
<s>演员有第二自我</s>
<time>1546_00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,160</time>
<s>就是你投入到角色中间</s>
<time>1547_00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:15,960</time>
<s>还有一个审视自己</s>
<time>1548_00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,400</time>
<s>调整自己</s>
<time>1549_00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,280</time>
<s>支配自己的演员性</s>
<time>1550_00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,720</time>
<s>演员的本性</s>
<time>1551_00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,520</time>
<s>你心里也在观察你自己</s>
<time>1552_00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:24,240</time>
<s>他就是意思是说</s>
<time>1553_00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,920</time>
<s>你们别好像觉得自己全是真的</s>
<time>1554_00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,360</time>
<s>不可能全是真的</s>
<time>1555_00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,880</time>
<s>你是假扮</s>
<time>1556_00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,760</time>
<s>但是你必须有办法</s>
<time>1557_00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:36,480</time>
<s>所以林兆华</s>
<time>1558_00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,280</time>
<s>后来发展这个道理</s>
<time>1559_00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,000</time>
<s>就给我们讲</s>
<time>1560_00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,160</time>
<s>他说装龙像龙</s>
<time>1561_00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,240</time>
<s>装虎像虎</s>
<time>1562_00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,920</time>
<s>你把那个龙和虎不要在乎</s>
<time>1563_00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,360</time>
<s>你要在乎那个装字</s>
<time>1564_00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,240</time>
<s>你再怎么像</s>
<time>1565_00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,400</time>
<s>你怎么可能是虎和龙呢</s>
<time>1566_00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,640</time>
<s>但是装是技术</s>
<time>1567_00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:58,800</time>
<s>所以我在讲</s>
<time>1568_00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,600</time>
<s>演员从基本功开始</s>
<time>1569_00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,320</time>
<s>刚才你说了</s>
<time>1570_00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,200</time>
<s>光复老师也在说</s>
<time>1571_00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,640</time>
<s>我们这行好像没技术</s>
<time>1572_00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,600</time>
<s>人家音乐有音准有节拍有节奏</s>
<time>1573_00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,760</time>
<s>舞蹈有那个把杆有什么</s>
<time>1574_00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:12,840</time>
<s>都有标准</s>
<time>1575_00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,360</time>
<s>人家戏剧演员那板眼</s>
<time>1576_00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,440</time>
<s>程式</s>
<time>1577_00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,520</time>
<s>话剧是什么呢</s>
<time>1578_00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,680</time>
<s>话剧就是刚才说的会模仿</s>
<time>1579_00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,120</time>
<s>等等等等</s>
<time>1580_00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,160</time>
<s>但是话剧的技术在基本功层面上</s>
<time>1581_00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,600</time>
<s>是要有标准的</s>
<time>1582_00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:30,480</time>
<s>除了台词</s>
<time>1583_00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:31,920</time>
<s>还有身体</s>
<time>1584_00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,160</time>
<s>形体的支配自己的力量</s>
<time>1585_00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,240</time>
<s>支配自己的</s>
<time>1586_00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,840</time>
<s>这种就是协调性或什么等等</s>
<time>1587_00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,280</time>
<s>控制等等</s>
<time>1588_00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:42,000</time>
<s>会使用的</s>
<time>1589_00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,800</time>
<s>然后你还有一个就是说表演</s>
<time>1590_00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:44,880</time>
<s>表演什么呢</s>
<time>1591_00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,840</time>
<s>真情地每一次都是真的模拟</s>
<time>1592_00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,720</time>
<s>模拟的每一次都是真的</s>
<time>1593_00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,320</time>
<s>是之老师说我每次演</s>
<time>1594_00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,480</time>
<s>观众都会被王掌柜的</s>
<time>1595_00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:58,560</time>
<s>这一刹那感动</s>
<time>1596_00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,360</time>
<s>但是作为演员本身</s>
<time>1597_01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,880</time>
<s>他还在知道自己今儿演得好</s>
<time>1598_01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:03,960</time>
<s>和演得不好</s>
<time>1599_01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,200</time>
<s>这是表演学中间的那种</s>
<time>1600_01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,440</time>
<s>就是我就是叫解析演员状态</s>
<time>1601_01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:11,880</time>
<s>这个内心体验很有意思</s>
<time>1602_01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,600</time>
<s>但是他的技术</s>
<time>1603_01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,840</time>
<s>一定保证观众每每会感动的</s>
<time>1604_01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,360</time>
<s>他就是其实技术就是楼住</s>
<time>1605_01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,240</time>
<s>然后快让她走</s>
<time>1606_01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,320</time>
<s>我就不让她走</s>
<time>1607_01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,840</time>
<s>他就身体的那两股劲儿</s>
<time>1608_01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,280</time>
<s>情感上就是说</s>
<time>1609_01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,600</time>
<s>就是踏着脚地说快跑快跑</s>
<time>1610_01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,040</time>
<s>可是我不舍不舍</s>
<time>1611_01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:32,760</time>
<s>就这两个</s>
<time>1612_01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,280</time>
<s>你像咱们中国这个书画</s>
<time>1613_01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,360</time>
<s>过去有个讲究</s>
<time>1614_01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:37,800</time>
<s>就是叫熟后生</s>
<time>1615_01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,400</time>
<s>就是说你要是写得太多遍了</s>
<time>1616_01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:42,840</time>
<s>你是写熟了</s>
<time>1617_01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,280</time>
<s>但是你没有那个生劲儿了</s>
<time>1618_01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,600</time>
<s>就是说你能做到这个千万遍之后</s>
<time>1619_01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,200</time>
<s>每一次写还像第一次写一样</s>
<time>1620_01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,280</time>
<s>这个怎么做到呢</s>
<time>1621_01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:55,440</time>
<s>陌生感就是陌生感</s>
<time>1622_01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,880</time>
<s>就是把自己的经验</s>
<time>1623_01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:57,960</time>
<s>它不陌生了问题是</s>
<time>1624_01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,760</time>
<s>你比如说那个我们</s>
<time>1625_01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,840</time>
<s>自欺欺人</s>
<time>1626_01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:01,920</time>
<s>彼得·布鲁克</s>
<time>1627_01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,720</time>
<s>这英国大导演</s>
<time>1628_01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,880</time>
<s>然后他来演戏</s>
<time>1629_01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,400</time>
<s>那么我们就看彼得·布鲁克</s>
<time>1630_01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,480</time>
<s>《空的空间》</s>
<time>1631_01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,280</time>
<s>反正他是大导演</s>
<time>1632_01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,160</time>
<s>那演后座谈</s>
<time>1633_01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,600</time>
<s>那人家演员有一句话</s>
<time>1634_01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:16,680</time>
<s>说彼得·布鲁克</s>
<time>1635_01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,480</time>
<s>不止一次地告诉我</s>
<time>1636_01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:19,560</time>
<s>把我（导演）扔在</s>
<time>1637_01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:21,720</time>
<s>化妆室</s>
<time>1638_01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,520</time>
<s>不要带到台上来</s>
<time>1639_01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,600</time>
<s>就是你不要带着</s>
<time>1640_01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,760</time>
<s>导演的意识上舞台</s>
<time>1641_01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,640</time>
<s>上舞台就是你全身心地去发挥它</s>
<time>1642_01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,160</time>
<s>不要去想标准想排练</s>
<time>1643_01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,680</time>
<s>就想你这样特别好</s>
<time>1644_01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,840</time>
<s>好我就演这个特别好去了</s>
<time>1645_01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,280</time>
<s>这就有问题了</s>
<time>1646_01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,440</time>
<s>把一切一切扔到化妆室</s>
<time>1647_01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,320</time>
<s>扔到了然后每一次的</s>
<time>1648_01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,120</time>
<s>重新来过的那种能力</s>
<time>1649_01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:46,920</time>
<s>你比如说如果说</s>
<time>1650_01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,800</time>
<s>今个儿咱们如果有好状态的话</s>
<time>1651_01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,600</time>
<s>咱们现在过</s>
<time>1652_01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,920</time>
<s>然后歇五分钟十分钟从头聊</s>
<time>1653_01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,240</time>
<s>稍稍想想刚才一开始怎么进入的</s>
<time>1654_01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,560</time>
<s>我们仍旧带着这种兴趣</s>
<time>1655_01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,000</time>
<s>互相地去找</s>
<time>1656_01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,800</time>
<s>导演在后台剪接的时候</s>
<time>1657_01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,960</time>
<s>八九不离十你们说得都差不多</s>
<time>1658_01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,560</time>
<s>第二遍和第一遍都可以剪进去</s>
<time>1659_01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:15,720</time>
<s>这好玩儿的事</s>
<time>1660_01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:17,880</time>
<s>您给我们出了个主意</s>
<time>1661_01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,040</time>
<s>比如说刚才</s>
<time>1662_01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,120</time>
<s>突然间的录音</s>
<time>1663_01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,560</time>
<s>咱们今儿就这么开始</s>
<time>1664_01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,000</time>
<s>对比如说刚才</s>
<time>1665_01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,800</time>
<s>比如说录音</s>
<time>1666_01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,960</time>
<s>坏了马上叫停</s>
<time>1667_01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,400</time>
<s>我刚才那钮没按</s>
<time>1668_01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,200</time>
<s>咱们都没录上音</s>
<time>1669_01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,280</time>
<s>咱们再来一遍吧</s>
<time>1670_01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,360</time>
<s>我要扣钱了</s>
<time>1671_01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,680</time>
<s>不是然后我们还能够重新来过</s>
<time>1672_01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360</time>
<s>这是你们的水平</s>
<time>1673_01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:43,800</time>
<s>我们没这个水平</s>
<time>1674_01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:44,520</time>
<s>你绝对有这水平</s>
<time>1675_01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,400</time>
<s>然后我们就是大概控制一个提纲</s>
<time>1676_01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:48,840</time>
<s>我们再聊</s>
<time>1677_01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,880</time>
<s>没准儿比刚才聊又出新的想象回忆</s>
<time>1678_01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:55,320</time>
<s>然后那个灵感</s>
<time>1679_01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,560</time>
<s>对您不是有时候说您之前好像有</s>
<time>1680_01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:59,280</time>
<s>就是您这个表演</s>
<time>1681_01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,160</time>
<s>有一个随着年龄的增长的过程</s>
<time>1682_01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,320</time>
<s>然后您说您在有一些时候就通了</s>
<time>1683_01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:05,400</time>
<s>您刚才说的通了</s>
<time>1684_01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,840</time>
<s>通了是您刚才说的那感觉吗</s>
<time>1685_01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,640</time>
<s>对就随意</s>
<time>1686_01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:09,720</time>
<s>随意全对</s>
<time>1687_01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,240</time>
<s>你比如说这是我讲课里面的一条</s>
<time>1688_01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,120</time>
<s>就是我道听途说盖叫天</s>
<time>1689_01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,360</time>
<s>盖叫天说表演如果按十分打分</s>
<time>1690_01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,600</time>
<s>三形儿六劲儿心已八</s>
<time>1691_01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:22,320</time>
<s>无意则十</s>
<time>1692_01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:23,040</time>
<s>什么意思呢</s>
<time>1693_01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:25,920</time>
<s>有模有样了</s>
<time>1694_01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,800</time>
<s>这孩子能当演员</s>
<time>1695_01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,600</time>
<s>三形儿三分</s>
<time>1696_01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,760</time>
<s>学了一段时间了</s>
<time>1697_01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,200</time>
<s>然后快毕业了</s>
<time>1698_01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,880</time>
<s>六劲儿就是亮相</s>
<time>1699_01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,040</time>
<s>词儿准腔儿圆</s>
<time>1700_01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,920</time>
<s>能上台了六分</s>
<time>1701_01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,440</time>
<s>然后真成好演员</s>
<time>1702_01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,680</time>
<s>走心动情了心已八</s>
<time>1703_01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,280</time>
<s>心有心动情</s>
<time>1704_01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,080</time>
<s>走心动情了</s>
<time>1705_01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:56,520</time>
<s>已经到八分了</s>
<time>1706_01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,040</time>
<s>无意则十</s>
<time>1707_01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:00,840</time>
<s>想怎么演全对</s>
<time>1708_01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,720</time>
<s>那个弦儿跟着你走了</s>
<time>1709_01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,880</time>
<s>你不是跟着弦儿唱</s>
<time>1710_01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,400</time>
<s>这你是演员</s>
<time>1711_01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,200</time>
<s>这是大角儿</s>
<time>1712_01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:11,280</time>
<s>自由王国了</s>
<time>1713_01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,120</time>
<s>对这个司鼓和琴弦町着名角儿走</s>
<time>1714_01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:19,560</time>
<s>它跟着你</s>
<time>1715_01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,360</time>
<s>对大演员</s>
<time>1716_01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,320</time>
<s>那个气全是顺通畅的</s>
<time>1717_01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:26,400</time>
<s>又不逾矩</s>
<time>1718_01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,560</time>
<s>不逾矩他全在节拍里</s>
<time>1719_01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,440</time>
<s>但是我多一拍可以的</s>
<time>1720_01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,320</time>
<s>多一拍这戏迷真听着了</s>
