<time>2132_01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:10,800</time>
<s>我反正在武大讲课</s>
<time>2133_01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,240</time>
<s>还算确实这几十年</s>
<time>2134_01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,680</time>
<s>都还是比较有名气对吧</s>
<time>2135_01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,120</time>
<s>那家伙太火了</s>
<time>2136_01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:15,840</time>
<s>满坑满谷</s>
<time>2137_01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:16,920</time>
<s>但是我老说</s>
<time>2138_01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,440</time>
<s>我有时候在讲为什么我会自己</s>
<time>2139_01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,880</time>
<s>我觉得我讲课还讲得不错</s>
<time>2140_01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:21,960</time>
<s>受学生欢迎</s>
<time>2141_01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,120</time>
<s>我后来经常会说这么一句话</s>
<time>2142_01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,920</time>
<s>我说一个老师站在讲台上</s>
<time>2143_01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,720</time>
<s>如果他首先不能感动自己</s>
<time>2144_01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,520</time>
<s>他就不能感动学生</s>
<time>2145_01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:30,600</time>
<s>所以我每一次讲课</s>
<time>2146_01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,120</time>
<s>我都跟第一次状况一样</s>
<time>2147_01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,560</time>
<s>我都处在一种</s>
<time>2148_01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:35,640</time>
<s>我只要往讲台上一站</s>
<time>2149_01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:37,080</time>
<s>我就能够进入到一种</s>
<time>2150_01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,160</time>
<s>这种完全</s>
<time>2151_01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,320</time>
<s>就是我虽然我说底下观众多少</s>
<time>2152_01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:41,400</time>
<s>对我来说有一定影响</s>
<time>2153_01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,200</time>
<s>但是不是绝对的对吧</s>
<time>2154_01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,000</time>
<s>有时候对我来说哪怕空无一人</s>
<time>2155_01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,440</time>
<s>只要我下面有一个人</s>
<time>2156_01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,520</time>
<s>只要他是个人</s>
<time>2157_01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,680</time>
<s>我就能进入到一种状态</s>
<time>2158_01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:50,760</time>
<s>因为我觉得</s>
<time>2159_01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,720</time>
<s>我首先忠实于我这样一门学问</s>
<time>2160_01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,240</time>
<s>我这个职业要求我做的事情</s>
<time>2161_01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,400</time>
<s>而这个事情又是我热爱的</s>
<time>2162_01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,200</time>
<s>所以我首先得感动我自己</s>
<time>2163_01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:02,640</time>
<s>然后就可以感动别人</s>
<time>2164_01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,440</time>
<s>同样很多大学老师为什么</s>
<time>2165_01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,600</time>
<s>你听他讲课就觉得</s>
<time>2166_01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,400</time>
<s>好像在照本宣科</s>
<time>2167_01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:09,840</time>
<s>听起来味同嚼蜡</s>
<time>2168_01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,640</time>
<s>因为我觉得他不能感动自己</s>
<time>2169_01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,440</time>
<s>他从里边没有快感</s>
<time>2170_01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,160</time>
<s>他在讲课里边</s>
<time>2171_01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,600</time>
<s>他得不到一种感受</s>
<time>2172_01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:17,040</time>
<s>您这个</s>
<time>2173_01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,920</time>
<s>我每天到今年我都快70了</s>
<time>2174_01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,080</time>
<s>我每次只要一站那儿讲课</s>
<time>2175_01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,160</time>
<s>我就能进入状态</s>
<time>2176_01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,320</time>
<s>我觉得我始终</s>
<time>2177_01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:26,760</time>
<s>我觉得我很热爱它</s>
<time>2178_01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:27,480</time>
<s>所以这样我实际上</s>
<time>2179_01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,640</time>
<s>就把我个人的这样一种兴趣</s>
<time>2180_01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,440</time>
<s>和我这个职业要求</s>
<time>2181_01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:32,520</time>
<s>我的操守</s>
<time>2182_01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,960</time>
<s>我觉得就很好地结合在一块</s>
<time>2183_01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,760</time>
<s>子超刚才想说什么</s>
<time>2184_01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:36,480</time>
<s>我觉得这是一个</s>
<time>2185_01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,080</time>
<s>其实挺难得的一个状态</s>
<time>2186_01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,520</time>
<s>因为我觉得现在大部分人</s>
<time>2187_01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,320</time>
<s>是觉得自己的工作没意义</s>
<time>2188_01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,480</time>
<s>他把工作跟自己的</s>
<time>2189_01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,560</time>
<s>就他在工作中</s>
<time>2190_01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,720</time>
<s>或者在那种工具人的状态下</s>
<time>2191_01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:49,800</time>
<s>他找不到一个意义</s>
<time>2192_01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,240</time>
<s>找不到一个快乐的源泉</s>
<time>2193_01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,040</time>
<s>就怎么能把这种</s>
<time>2194_01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:54,480</time>
<s>身为工具人</s>
<time>2195_01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:55,920</time>
<s>就从这种</s>
<time>2196_01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,720</time>
<s>你尽这种社会属性这个责任的</s>
<time>2197_01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:58,440</time>
<s>这个同时</s>
<time>2198_01:04:58,800 --> 01:04:59,160</time>
<s>你能从中找到意义</s>
<time>2199_01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,240</time>
<s>找到快乐</s>
<time>2200_01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:00,960</time>
<s>其实这是</s>
<time>2201_01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,920</time>
<s>这个我是觉得怎么能从哲学中</s>
<time>2202_01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,360</time>
<s>去找到一些灵感</s>
<time>2203_01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:07,080</time>
<s>这个确实是</s>
<time>2204_01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,520</time>
<s>这个是我觉得挺重要的</s>
<time>2205_01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,040</time>
<s>现在有个词叫专业激情主义</s>
<time>2206_01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,480</time>
<s>您说这个</s>
<time>2207_01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,280</time>
<s>我觉得在咱们武大挺有名的</s>
<time>2208_01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:15,360</time>
<s>武大老师好像</s>
<time>2209_01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,880</time>
<s>当然别的大学的老师都好</s>
<time>2210_01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,400</time>
<s>但是我们那个时候记得我也是</s>
<time>2211_01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:21,480</time>
<s>我记得我们是中文系</s>
<time>2212_01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,000</time>
<s>有一个老师叫李敬一</s>
<time>2213_01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,080</time>
<s>讲唐诗宋词的那时候</s>
<time>2214_01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,240</time>
<s>因为我不知道他学术成就</s>
<time>2215_01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:28,320</time>
<s>我不了解</s>
<time>2216_01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:29,040</time>
<s>但是也是</s>
<time>2217_01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,480</time>
<s>学生们爱听他讲课</s>
<time>2218_01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,080</time>
<s>就因为你看见一个人特别有激情</s>
<time>2219_01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,680</time>
<s>像很多我们《圆桌派》的观众</s>
<time>2220_01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:38,400</time>
<s>我有时候发现</s>
<time>2221_01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:39,840</time>
<s>你看我们请一些哲学</s>
<time>2222_01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,280</time>
<s>甚至请科学家来</s>
<time>2223_01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,080</time>
<s>他们的反应也非常有意思</s>
<time>2224_01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:44,520</time>
<s>他们就是说</s>
<time>2225_01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:45,600</time>
<s>听不懂也爱听</s>
<time>2226_01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,760</time>
<s>就是看见一个人</s>
<time>2227_01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,920</time>
<s>眉飞色舞激情满满地</s>
<time>2228_01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,080</time>
<s>讲着他自己擅长的事情的时候</s>
<time>2229_01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:53,520</time>
<s>就你觉得他发光</s>
<time>2230_01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:54,240</time>
<s>美慕</s>
<time>2231_01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:55,680</time>
<s>当时那李敬一老师</s>
<time>2232_01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,840</time>
<s>我记得大家其实去为什么</s>
<time>2233_01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,000</time>
<s>就是欣赏他的激情</s>
<time>2234_01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,800</time>
<s>他自己陶醉其中</s>
<time>2235_01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,240</time>
<s>而且我看主要是朗诵</s>
<time>2236_01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,840</time>
<s>讲到了《满江红》</s>
<time>2237_01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,080</time>
<s>怒发冲冠</s>
<time>2238_01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:12,600</time>
<s>是的对对对</s>
<time>2239_01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,840</time>
<s>那个师生之间就好快乐</s>
<time>2240_01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,640</time>
<s>你知道就说一个人能够</s>
<time>2241_01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:18,360</time>
<s>您讲</s>
<time>2242_01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:19,440</time>
<s>我就觉得就是子超说的</s>
<time>2243_01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:20,880</time>
<s>就是这些观众</s>
<time>2244_01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,320</time>
<s>他代入自己之后</s>
<time>2245_01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,480</time>
<s>他觉得说我天天在公司做PPT</s>
<time>2246_01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:25,560</time>
<s>我也不爱做</s>
<time>2247_01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,080</time>
<s>但还有人能做着自己喜欢的事情</s>
<time>2248_01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,160</time>
<s>虽然我听不懂</s>
<time>2249_01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,600</time>
<s>但是他这么热爱</s>
<time>2250_01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:31,320</time>
<s>我就美慕</s>
<time>2251_01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,400</time>
<s>我也想像他一样</s>
<time>2252_01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,200</time>
<s>能做点儿自已喜欢的事</s>
<time>2253_01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,440</time>
<s>对他们说你做脱口秀就是</s>
<time>2254_01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,320</time>
<s>就是说等于自己找着了个自己的</s>
<time>2255_01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,400</time>
<s>自己的理由</s>
<time>2256_01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,000</time>
<s>就是说又是工作还能谋生</s>
<time>2257_01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,520</time>
<s>而且又是喜欢</s>
<time>2258_01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,040</time>
<s>是而且尤其是最近一年</s>
<time>2259_01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,480</time>
<s>我经常做其他事情发现</s>
<time>2260_01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:52,200</time>
<s>我也做不好</s>
<time>2261_01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:53,280</time>
<s>然后就跟周围朋友说</s>
<time>2262_01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:54,360</time>
<s>我说这些都做不好</s>
<time>2263_01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,160</time>
<s>我就只能做好脱口秀</s>
<time>2264_01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:56,880</time>
<s>他们说你什么时候</s>
<time>2265_01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,320</time>
<s>学会PUA自己了</s>
<time>2266_01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,200</time>
<s>对我跟你讲一个小故事</s>
<time>2267_01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:02,640</time>
<s>就是2017年</s>
<time>2268_01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,440</time>
<s>刚才还跟这个子超说到</s>
<time>2269_01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,320</time>
<s>2017年的时候10月31号</s>
<time>2270_01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,840</time>
<s>我跑到德国维滕堡教堂</s>
<time>2271_01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:10,920</time>
<s>上面那个是为什么一二</s>
<time>2272_01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,360</time>
<s>因为500年前</s>
<time>2273_01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:13,440</time>
<s>马丁·路德</s>
<time>2274_01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:14,880</time>
<s>在那儿贴出了九十五条论纲</s>
<time>2275_01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,760</time>
<s>开启了整个宗教改革</s>
<time>2276_01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,560</time>
<s>然后开启了整个西方现代化的</s>
<time>2277_01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,360</time>
<s>最早的源流是吧</s>
<time>2278_01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,800</time>
<s>那是功不可没非常重要</s>
<time>2279_01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:23,880</time>
<s>当天我们上午去</s>
<time>2280_01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,320</time>
<s>下午默克尔也去了</s>
<time>2281_01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:26,400</time>
<s>德国总理</s>
<time>2282_01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,560</time>
<s>当时的德国总理</s>
<time>2283_01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,000</time>
<s>我是2017年去的吧</s>
<time>2284_01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,800</time>
<s>他是1517年吧</s>
<time>2285_01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:32,880</time>
<s>隔了整整500年吧</s>
<time>2286_01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:33,960</time>
<s>10月31号</s>
<time>2287_01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,480</time>
<s>那马丁·路德他有一句话</s>
<time>2288_01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:37,560</time>
<s>对我印象特别深</s>
<time>2289_01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,800</time>
<s>他当年在这种极强的高压之下</s>
<time>2290_01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:41,880</time>
<s>他坚持他的观点</s>
<time>2291_01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,120</time>
<s>他当时在沃尔姆斯宗教会议上</s>
<time>2292_01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,280</time>
<s>面对着很大的那种天主教的压力</s>
<time>2293_01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,440</time>
<s>以及神圣罗马帝国皇帝的压力</s>
<time>2294_01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:50,520</time>
<s>他当时说了一句话</s>
<time>2295_01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:51,240</time>
<s>他说</s>
<time>2296_01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,400</time>
<s>最后一句话叫“这就是我的立场</s>
<time>2297_01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,200</time>
<s>我只能站在这里”是吧</s>
<time>2298_01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,360</time>
<s>就是他找到了他的思想</s>
<time>2299_01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,440</time>
<s>找到他的地位</s>
<time>2300_01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,600</time>
<s>找到他的所有的这种生命属性</s>
<time>2301_01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,480</time>
<s>所以我觉得其实任何一个行业</s>
<time>2302_01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,560</time>
<s>都是可以做到这样</s>
<time>2303_01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,000</time>
<s>所以我在讲台上</s>
<time>2304_01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,440</time>
<s>我也总觉得这就是我的立场</s>
<time>2305_01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,160</time>
<s>我只能站在这儿</s>
<time>2306_01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:09,240</time>
<s>我可能干不了别的事情</s>
<time>2307_01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:09,960</time>
<s>我觉得这个</s>
<time>2308_01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,400</time>
<s>我能够找到一种快乐</s>
<time>2309_01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,200</time>
<s>人生说实话</s>
<time>2310_01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:13,920</time>
<s>各种可能性</s>
<time>2311_01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,360</time>
<s>发展可能性都是有的</s>
<time>2312_01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,240</time>
<s>但是你只要找到了一个属于你的</s>
<time>2313_01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,400</time>
<s>而且你觉得非此莫属</s>
<time>2314_01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,560</time>
<s>你可能会这一辈子活得很快乐</s>
<time>2315_01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:23,640</time>
<s>享受每一天</s>
<time>2316_01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,160</time>
<s>沉溺在我自己这样一种热爱</s>
<time>2317_01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:27,600</time>
<s>这样一种学术之中</s>
<time>2318_01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:28,320</time>
<s>我觉得这个</s>
<time>2319_01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,760</time>
<s>同样你像李敬一老师</s>
<time>2320_01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:30,840</time>
<s>他们当时也是这样</s>
<time>2321_01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:31,920</time>
<s>有时候我想</s>
<time>2322_01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,360</time>
<s>我们这个时代说实话</s>
<time>2323_01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,160</time>
<s>自近代以来尤其是科学发展</s>
<time>2324_01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,240</time>
<s>尤其是科学技术</s>
<time>2325_01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,320</time>
<s>这种长足发展以后</s>
<time>2326_01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,840</time>
<s>我们这个时代越来越没有诗意了</s>
<time>2327_01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,640</time>
<s>我们这个时代是个散文的时代</s>
<time>2328_01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:43,800</time>
<s>是吧我们没有诗意</s>
<time>2329_01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:44,880</time>
<s>古代人不一样</s>
<time>2330_01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,760</time>
<s>古代人不管是中国的唐宋时代人</s>
<time>2331_01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,640</time>
<s>还是西方希腊时代的那个人</s>
<time>2332_01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,160</time>
<s>他都是生活在诗情画意之中</s>
<time>2333_01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:54,960</time>
<s>他都是诗情画意的</s>
<time>2334_01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:55,680</time>
<s>就是对我们来说</s>
<time>2335_01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,480</time>
<s>我们很难理解人怎么可以</s>
<time>2336_01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:58,920</time>
<s>在诗里边生活</s>
<time>2337_01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,720</time>
<s>就像古代人很难理解</s>
<time>2338_01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:01,800</time>
<s>你今天怎么可能在那种</s>
<time>2339_01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,320</time>
<s>散文化的生活中间来生活一样的</s>
<time>2340_01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:05,760</time>
<s>它什么对应的</s>
<time>2341_01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:07,200</time>
<s>你看希腊造型</s>
<time>2342_01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,280</time>
<s>奥林匹亚竞技会</s>
<time>2343_01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,080</time>
<s>这都是展示的是吧</s>
<time>2344_01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:12,240</time>
<s>然后希腊的所有的文学</s>
<time>2345_01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,320</time>
<s>它都是用诗体</s>
<time>2346_01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,200</time>
<s>而且是合着韵</s>
<time>2347_01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,360</time>
<s>合着韵然后还奏着乐</s>
<time>2348_01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,520</time>
<s>它是诗歌乐舞四位一体</s>
<time>2349_01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,680</time>
<s>同样你看唐朝那些诗人</s>
<time>2350_01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:23,400</time>
<s>他也是</s>
<time>2351_01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,120</time>
<s>他不是像我们今天什么</s>
<time>2352_01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:25,560</time>
<s>床前明月光</s>
<time>2353_01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,280</time>
<s>疑是地上霜</s>
<time>2354_01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,360</time>
<s>不是这样念出来的</s>
<time>2355_01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,440</time>
<s>他是吟出来的</s>
<time>2356_01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,960</time>
<s>就像刚才你学李敬一老师那样</s>
<time>2357_01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,400</time>
<s>他是吟着</s>
<time>2358_01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,200</time>
<s>而且他还是伴着舞步</s>
<time>2359_01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,280</time>
<s>他有时候还踏着舞步</s>
<time>2360_01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,720</time>
<s>他还在奏乐</s>
<time>2361_01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:37,440</time>
<s>这样一来</s>
<time>2362_01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,240</time>
<s>人是生命的全方位地展现</s>
<time>2363_01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,040</time>
<s>这就不光是只是把语言</s>
<time>2364_01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,200</time>
<s>然后你用抽象思想来理解</s>
<time>2365_01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,640</time>
<s>你实际上是感受到</s>
<time>2366_01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:45,360</time>
<s>是一个整个</s>
<time>2367_01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,800</time>
<s>就像海德格尔说的</s>
<time>2368_01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,680</time>
<s>一个天地人神四维维度中间的</s>
<time>2369_01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:50,400</time>
<s>一个活生生的</s>
<time>2370_01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:51,840</time>
<s>充满生命的东西</s>
<time>2371_01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,640</time>
<s>刚才咱们讲就是人的异化</s>
<time>2372_01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,440</time>
<s>就感觉人到后来得分开</s>
<time>2373_01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:56,160</time>
<s>对分开</s>
<time>2374_01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:57,960</time>
<s>但是在某一个时候</s>
<time>2375_01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,400</time>
<s>似乎是全乎人</s>
<time>2376_01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:00,480</time>
<s>是合在一块儿的</s>
<time>2377_01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:01,200</time>
<s>对对对</s>
<time>2378_01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,640</time>
<s>你看这个柏拉图</s>
<time>2379_01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,080</time>
<s>他一方面是毕达哥拉斯</s>
<time>2380_01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:06,240</time>
<s>那个学派受很大影响</s>
<time>2381_01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,680</time>
<s>他讲究要数</s>
<time>2382_01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:08,760</time>
<s>这个数字</s>
<time>2383_01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,000</time>
<s>但是同时它是诗情画意</s>
<time>2384_01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,520</time>
<s>就是他们那个对世界本原</s>
<time>2385_01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,320</time>
<s>我从哪里来到哪里去</s>
<time>2386_01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,480</time>
<s>对他是像诗人一样</s>
<time>2387_01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:19,920</time>
<s>后来尼采的哲学著作</s>
<time>2388_01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:21,000</time>
<s>写得也像诗一样</s>
<time>2389_01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,800</time>
<s>尼采就是要回到那个时代</s>
<time>2390_01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:24,960</time>
<s>他就认为后来的两千年</s>
<time>2391_01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,400</time>
<s>基本上都是把我们封闭在思维里</s>
<time>2392_01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,200</time>
<s>您就想他那是一种什么生活状态</s>
<time>2393_01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:28,920</time>
<s>我觉得</s>
<time>2394_01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:30,360</time>
<s>子超说</s>
<time>2395_01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,800</time>
<s>我觉得我们是不是容易</s>
<time>2396_01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,320</time>
<s>当代人容易怀念过去的时代</s>
<time>2397_01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,040</time>
<s>我看过一个电影</s>
<time>2398_01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,200</time>
<s>就是《午夜巴黎》嘛</s>
<time>2399_01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:38,280</time>
<s>《午夜巴黎》</s>
<time>2400_01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:39,000</time>
<s>伍迪·艾伦拍的</s>
<time>2401_01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,520</time>
<s>就是他穿越</s>
<time>2402_01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,760</time>
<s>偶然穿越回了这个20世纪初的巴黎</s>
<time>2403_01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,280</time>
<s>就是海明威那个时代的巴黎</s>
<time>2404_01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,360</time>
<s>他觉得特别好</s>
<time>2405_01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:49,080</time>
<s>觉得特别美好</s>
<time>2406_01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,880</time>
<s>然后结果他在那个</s>
<time>2407_01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,680</time>
<s>海明威那个时代的巴黎</s>
<time>2408_01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,200</time>
<s>又碰到了想穿越回这个</s>
<time>2409_01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,360</time>
<s>更早的法国时代那种</s>
<time>2410_01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,520</time>
<s>法国巴黎的那个人</s>
<time>2411_01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,680</time>
<s>就是我觉得我们好像是一直</s>
<time>2412_01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,280</time>
<s>会对过去的东西有一种</s>
<time>2413_01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,080</time>
<s>因为它已经逝去了</s>
<time>2414_01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:08,520</time>
<s>所以它有一种光彩</s>
<time>2415_01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,680</time>
<s>尤其是当我们现实</s>
<time>2416_01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,840</time>
<s>过得没那么愉快的时候</s>
<time>2417_01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,360</time>
<s>就会幻想古代是好的</s>
<time>2418_01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,520</time>
<s>其实我觉得在那个时代可能</s>
<time>2419_01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,320</time>
<s>也同样是</s>
<time>2420_01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,120</time>
<s>也会面临我们现在的</s>
<time>2421_01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:22,920</time>
<s>这种日常生活中的痛苦</s>
<time>2422_01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,080</time>
<s>所以我觉得这个痛苦</s>
<time>2423_01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:27,600</time>
<s>其实是恒长的</s>
<time>2424_01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,040</time>
<s>每个时代都会有</s>
<time>2425_01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,920</time>
<s>但是当我们去回忆的时候</s>
<time>2426_01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,360</time>
<s>它可能有一些光彩</s>
<time>2427_01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,800</time>
<s>我们能从这些光彩里</s>
<time>2428_01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:35,880</time>
<s>找到一些安慰</s>
<time>2429_01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:36,600</time>
<s>我觉得就是这样</s>
<time>2430_01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,040</time>
<s>我同意</s>
<time>2431_01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,480</time>
<s>我其实也是想表达</s>
<time>2432_01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,200</time>
<s>就是我就是觉得</s>
<time>2433_01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,360</time>
<s>我们看到了还是那个时代</s>
<time>2434_01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:43,800</time>
<s>少数人的诗情画意</s>
<time>2435_01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,240</time>
<s>就是对吧</s>
<time>2436_01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,040</time>
<s>就是如果说我们穿越回去</s>
<time>2437_01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,480</time>
<s>我们也是种地的水平</s>
<time>2438_01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,000</time>
<s>就是我们也成为不了柏拉图</s>
<time>2439_01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,520</time>
<s>我们也没有机会诗情画意</s>
<time>2440_01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:54,240</time>
<s>所以说其实</s>
<time>2441_01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,680</time>
<s>我也同意你的意见</s>
<time>2442_01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,120</time>
<s>这其实也是我的感受</s>
<time>2443_01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,360</time>
<s>就是实际上这个岁月的余晖</s>
<time>2444_01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,520</time>
<s>留下来的是那个年代最闪光的</s>
<time>2445_01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:03,960</time>
<s>每个年代</s>
<time>2446_01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,040</time>
<s>你像柏拉图这些人</s>
<time>2447_01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:06,840</time>
<s>这都是人中龙凤</s>
<time>2448_01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:07,920</time>
<s>这都是</s>
<time>2449_01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,520</time>
<s>就是这个古今同一慨</s>
<time>2450_01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:12,960</time>
<s>就像这个王羲之</s>
<time>2451_01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,760</time>
<s>写这个《兰亭集序》</s>
<time>2452_01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,920</time>
<s>我觉得写得是最好了</s>
<time>2453_01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,360</time>
<s>他也说得是最实在</s>
<time>2454_01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:19,440</time>
<s>你看大概意思是</s>
<time>2455_01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:20,520</time>
<s>我们一帮人去玩</s>
<time>2456_01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:21,960</time>
<s>吟诗作画好美</s>
<time>2457_01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:22,680</time>
<s>仰观宇宙之大</s>
<time>2458_01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,120</time>
<s>俯察品类之盛</s>
<time>2459_01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:25,200</time>
<s>然后到最后一想</s>
<time>2460_01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,000</time>
<s>总有一天会死</s>
<time>2461_01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,080</time>
<s>悲夫</s>
<time>2462_01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,960</time>
<s>然后他说我为什么要写下来这个</s>
<time>2463_01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,480</time>
<s>就是说一世不管多少繁华</s>
<time>2464_01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:34,920</time>
<s>多少美乐</s>
<time>2465_01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,440</time>
<s>早晚终期于尽</s>
<time>2466_01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:38,880</time>
<s>长寿是不可能的</s>
<time>2467_01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,040</time>
<s>不死是不可能的对吧</s>
<time>2468_01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,640</time>
<s>然后说我今天想我以前的人</s>
<time>2469_01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,440</time>
<s>他们发的也是这个感概</s>
<time>2470_01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:47,520</time>
<s>后世的人看到我这篇《兰亭集序》</s>
<time>2471_01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:48,240</time>
<s>后世的人看到我这篇《兰亭集序》圆桌派</s>
<time>2472_01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,680</time>
<s>后世的人看到我这篇《兰亭集序》</s>
<time>2473_01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,920</time>
<s>也将会跟我同一个感慨</s>
<time>2474_01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,000</time>
<s>但是有一点</s>
<time>2475_01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:55,800</time>
<s>文涛有一点不一样在哪里</s>
<time>2476_01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,040</time>
<s>就是我们整个环境的一个大变化</s>
<time>2477_01:12:59,400 --> 01:12:59,760</time>
<s>这个是没法比的</s>
<time>2478_01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:01,200</time>
<s>比如说我举个例子</s>
<time>2479_01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,280</time>
<s>比如古希腊人我说了</s>
<time>2480_01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,080</time>
<s>他们是在剧场里边儿长大的</s>
<time>2481_01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,320</time>
<s>我们是从小题海战术长大的</s>
<time>2482_01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:08,400</time>
<s>是吧我们从小做题</s>
<time>2483_01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:09,480</time>
<s>我们这样一种</s>
<time>2484_01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,640</time>
<s>像数学这样一种计算</s>
<time>2485_01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,440</time>
<s>它导致了我们这个理性最大的特点</s>
<time>2486_01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,240</time>
<s>就是精于算计</s>
<time>2487_01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,120</time>
<s>对吧我们一定是按照成本</s>
<time>2488_01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:19,560</time>
<s>要得到多大的收益</s>
<time>2489_01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,720</time>
<s>我们从小就开始设计人生</s>
<time>2490_01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:22,800</time>
<s>都是这样的对吧</s>
<time>2491_01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,680</time>
<s>我包括选择商业选择什么学校</s>
<time>2492_01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,120</time>
<s>最后工作找什么样工作</s>
<time>2493_01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:28,200</time>
<s>他都是首先这样搞的</s>
<time>2494_01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,360</time>
<s>他充满了这种从小的</s>
<time>2495_01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:31,800</time>
<s>这种数学的教育</s>
<time>2496_01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:32,880</time>
<s>这样一种计算</s>
<time>2497_01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:34,680</time>
<s>这样一种题海战术</s>
<time>2498_01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,120</time>
<s>培养出来那种教育的结果</s>
<time>2499_01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:36,840</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>2500_01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,280</time>
<s>但是你是在剧场里边</s>
<time>2501_01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,160</time>
<s>那种在诗歌乐舞里面氛围长大</s>
<time>2502_01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,320</time>
<s>你就可能更多那种情感的东西</s>
<time>2503_01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:44,040</time>
<s>会更丰富</s>
<time>2504_01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,200</time>
<s>但你最后打不过斯巴达</s>
<time>2505_01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,280</time>
<s>就是必然嘛</s>
<time>2506_01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,800</time>
<s>斯巴达人他也不能说是</s>
<time>2507_01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,600</time>
<s>这个只能说</s>
<time>2508_01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:52,680</time>
<s>怎么说呢</s>
<time>2509_01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:53,400</time>
<s>这个可以说</s>
<time>2510_01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,200</time>
<s>后来更有意思</s>
<time>2511_01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,720</time>
<s>罗马最后征服了希腊是吧</s>
<time>2512_01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,160</time>
<s>对这个确实</s>
<time>2513_01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,680</time>
<s>我们说文明不在于它是否强悍</s>
<time>2514_01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:02,400</time>
<s>当然</s>
<time>2515_01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,200</time>
<s>野蛮还会战胜文明对吧</s>
<time>2516_01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:05,280</time>
<s>关键是在你</s>
<time>2517_01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,440</time>
<s>因为我们每个人只能做一个人活</s>
<time>2518_01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,600</time>
<s>我们生活在什么氛围之中</s>
<time>2519_01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:10,320</time>
<s>而且是不是说</s>
<time>2520_01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,200</time>
<s>当年希腊的雅典的这个民主制</s>
<time>2521_01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,000</time>
<s>是不是说</s>
<time>2522_01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,600</time>
<s>其实真正的这个有投票权的公民</s>
<time>2523_01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,120</time>
<s>他也就是占人口的百分之十</s>
<time>2524_01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:22,560</time>
<s>七分之一</s>
<time>2525_01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,000</time>
<s>雅典就是说</s>
<time>2526_01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,160</time>
<s>当然各种各样不同的统计数据</s>
<time>2527_01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:27,240</time>
<s>有一种说法就是</s>
<time>2528_01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,120</time>
<s>雅典即使达到伯里克利的鼎盛时期</s>
<time>2529_01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:31,200</time>
<s>大概它的公民人数</s>
<time>2530_01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:32,280</time>
<s>大概就是4.3万人</s>
<time>2531_01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,080</time>
<s>但是雅典所有人加起来</s>
<time>2532_01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:35,880</time>
<s>包括奴隶31万人</s>
<time>2533_01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,400</time>
<s>对吧那也就是说只占七分之一</s>
<time>2534_01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:39,480</time>
<s>那那个时候的奴隶呢</s>
<time>2535_01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:40,560</time>
<s>他们的精神生活</s>
<time>2536_01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,000</time>
<s>奴隶他们没有任何精神生活</s>
<time>2537_01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:42,720</time>
<s>奴隶在当时</s>
<time>2538_01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:43,800</time>
<s>从希腊到罗马</s>
<time>2539_01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:44,880</time>
<s>他基本上不属于人</s>
<time>2540_01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:45,600</time>
<s>他属于</s>
<time>2541_01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,040</time>
<s>在罗马属于物产法</s>
<time>2542_01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,480</time>
<s>对吧他属于物</s>
<time>2543_01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:49,920</time>
<s>就跟你家里的工具一样的</s>
<time>2544_01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:50,640</time>
<s>他是没有</s>
<time>2545_01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,360</time>
<s>因为那个时代</s>
<time>2546_01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,080</time>
<s>它是个奴隶制社会嘛</s>
<time>2547_01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:53,160</time>
<s>它那个很明显的</s>
<time>2548_01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:53,880</time>
<s>所以你看</s>
<time>2549_01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:54,960</time>
<s>我们也要看到时代的进步</s>
<time>2550_01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,560</time>
<s>那个时候七分之六都是物权</s>
<time>2551_01:14:58,920 --> 01:14:59,280</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>2552_01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,440</time>
<s>但是今天你看奴隶解放了</s>
<time>2553_01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,600</time>
<s>我们都获得了人的尊严</s>
<time>2554_01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:04,320</time>
<s>可是实际上</s>
