<time>1295_00:44:46,311 --> 00:44:48,471</time>
<s>我觉得还真是有一个健全的身心</s>
<time>1296_00:44:48,831 --> 00:44:49,191</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1297_00:44:49,551 --> 00:44:50,631</time>
<s>就是咱们说的这个情商智商</s>
<time>1298_00:44:50,991 --> 00:44:51,711</time>
<s>而这个需要</s>
<time>1299_00:44:52,071 --> 00:44:53,511</time>
<s>在一个健康平衡的环境里</s>
<time>1300_00:44:53,871 --> 00:44:54,591</time>
<s>平衡对</s>
<time>1301_00:44:54,951 --> 00:44:55,671</time>
<s>他能培养出来</s>
<time>1302_00:44:56,031 --> 00:44:57,831</time>
<s>他不是一个单向考试多少分</s>
<time>1303_00:44:58,191 --> 00:44:59,631</time>
<s>对就能应付未来的生存的</s>
<time>1304_00:45:00,351 --> 00:45:02,871</time>
<s>还有一个就是你的终极目标</s>
<time>1305_00:45:03,231 --> 00:45:04,671</time>
<s>你教育的终极目标是走向社会</s>
<time>1306_00:45:05,031 --> 00:45:06,831</time>
<s>在社会上承担对应的社会责任</s>
<time>1307_00:45:07,191 --> 00:45:08,631</time>
<s>那我们的社会责任中</s>
<time>1308_00:45:08,991 --> 00:45:10,431</time>
<s>我们都会认为</s>
<time>1309_00:45:10,791 --> 00:45:13,671</time>
<s>都认为我这份工作体面挣钱多</s>
<time>1310_00:45:14,031 --> 00:45:15,471</time>
<s>但是它未必是获得幸福感</s>
<time>1311_00:45:15,831 --> 00:45:17,631</time>
<s>如果社会划这个层次</s>
<time>1312_00:45:17,991 --> 00:45:19,791</time>
<s>把这个人定成三六九等的时候</s>
<time>1313_00:45:20,151 --> 00:45:21,591</time>
<s>确实是压力就变得很大</s>
<time>1314_00:45:21,951 --> 00:45:23,751</time>
<s>就觉得我这个工作就不如你</s>
<time>1315_00:45:24,111 --> 00:45:25,191</time>
<s>哪有工作如不如的</s>
<time>1316_00:45:25,551 --> 00:45:26,991</time>
<s>这个就是反过来说</s>
<time>1317_00:45:27,351 --> 00:45:29,151</time>
<s>也正因为社会的变化很大</s>
<time>1318_00:45:29,511 --> 00:45:30,951</time>
<s>有些对于一些人来说</s>
<time>1319_00:45:31,311 --> 00:45:32,751</time>
<s>他也觉得看到了改变的可能</s>
<time>1320_00:45:33,111 --> 00:45:34,191</time>
<s>所以他要积极争取</s>
<time>1321_00:45:34,551 --> 00:45:36,711</time>
<s>就比如说我去过有一个</s>
<time>1322_00:45:37,071 --> 00:45:37,791</time>
<s>就是在云南</s>
<time>1323_00:45:38,151 --> 00:45:40,671</time>
<s>就是山区的这种这个中学</s>
<time>1324_00:45:41,031 --> 00:45:42,111</time>
<s>它就是那个一块屏幕</s>
<time>1325_00:45:42,471 --> 00:45:43,911</time>
<s>那个改变命运那种</s>
<time>1326_00:45:44,271 --> 00:45:44,991</time>
<s>它就是什么呢</s>
<time>1327_00:45:45,351 --> 00:45:46,071</time>
<s>我以前觉得</s>
<time>1328_00:45:46,431 --> 00:45:48,591</time>
<s>你们这个仿人家那个</s>
<time>1329_00:45:48,951 --> 00:45:49,671</time>
<s>就是那个中学刷题</s>
<time>1330_00:45:50,031 --> 00:45:50,751</time>
<s>那些孩子都太苦了</s>
<time>1331_00:45:51,111 --> 00:45:53,631</time>
<s>就是每天上好长时间的课</s>
<time>1332_00:45:54,351 --> 00:45:55,791</time>
<s>中间课间休息没有</s>
<time>1333_00:45:56,151 --> 00:45:56,871</time>
<s>课间休息都是你跟他说话</s>
<time>1334_00:45:57,231 --> 00:45:59,391</time>
<s>他都得拿着就是那个卷子</s>
<time>1335_00:45:59,751 --> 00:46:00,831</time>
<s>他手里没这个他都哆嗪</s>
<time>1336_00:46:01,191 --> 00:46:01,911</time>
<s>他不知道干嘛</s>
<time>1337_00:46:02,271 --> 00:46:02,631</time>
<s>就成天刷</s>
<time>1338_00:46:02,991 --> 00:46:03,711</time>
<s>可是我跟他们老师一聊</s>
<time>1339_00:46:04,071 --> 00:46:05,511</time>
<s>他说那就是这样</s>
<time>1340_00:46:05,871 --> 00:46:06,591</time>
<s>我自己就是</s>
<time>1341_00:46:06,951 --> 00:46:08,751</time>
<s>只有通过考高分这条路</s>
<time>1342_00:46:09,111 --> 00:46:10,551</time>
<s>我才能改变命运</s>
<time>1343_00:46:10,911 --> 00:46:11,631</time>
<s>没有别的路</s>
<time>1344_00:46:11,991 --> 00:46:13,791</time>
<s>那些孩子就真的能考上</s>
<time>1345_00:46:14,511 --> 00:46:16,311</time>
<s>没有午休没有周末</s>
<time>1346_00:46:16,671 --> 00:46:18,471</time>
<s>但是他说我们出了北大清华的</s>
<time>1347_00:46:18,831 --> 00:46:20,271</time>
<s>就有人从这里跳出去</s>
<time>1348_00:46:20,631 --> 00:46:20,991</time>
<s>他就改变命运了</s>
<time>1349_00:46:21,711 --> 00:46:22,791</time>
<s>就是他们</s>
<time>1350_00:46:23,151 --> 00:46:24,231</time>
<s>当然他改变命运之后呢</s>
<time>1351_00:46:24,591 --> 00:46:26,031</time>
<s>他到了那些北大清华以后</s>
<time>1352_00:46:26,391 --> 00:46:27,111</time>
<s>可能放眼一看</s>
<time>1353_00:46:27,471 --> 00:46:29,271</time>
<s>他会发现自已其实这个过程当中</s>
<time>1354_00:46:29,631 --> 00:46:30,351</time>
<s>缺失了很多</s>
<time>1355_00:46:30,711 --> 00:46:31,431</time>
<s>就像您说的心灵上的</s>
<time>1356_00:46:31,791 --> 00:46:33,231</time>
<s>精神上的很多东西</s>
<time>1357_00:46:33,591 --> 00:46:34,311</time>
<s>但对他们来说</s>
<time>1358_00:46:34,671 --> 00:46:36,111</time>
<s>就是改变这件事</s>
<time>1359_00:46:36,471 --> 00:46:37,911</time>
<s>因为我们的社会有了可能</s>
<time>1360_00:46:38,271 --> 00:46:39,351</time>
<s>他就觉得为什么不</s>
<time>1361_00:46:40,431 --> 00:46:41,151</time>
<s>我就得这么做</s>
<time>1362_00:46:42,231 --> 00:46:44,391</time>
<s>出人头地是一个</s>
<time>1363_00:46:44,751 --> 00:46:45,111</time>
<s>这个动力</s>
<time>1364_00:46:45,471 --> 00:46:46,911</time>
<s>多么强烈的愿望</s>
<time>1365_00:46:47,631 --> 00:46:47,991</time>
<s>我们的文化</s>
<time>1366_00:46:48,351 --> 00:46:49,431</time>
<s>不是当然可以理解</s>
<time>1367_00:46:49,791 --> 00:46:51,951</time>
<s>谁不希望出人头地呢</s>
<time>1368_00:46:52,671 --> 00:46:55,911</time>
<s>有些孩子自已也觉得有挫折感</s>
<time>1369_00:46:56,271 --> 00:46:57,711</time>
<s>就是孩子们之间</s>
<time>1370_00:46:58,071 --> 00:46:59,151</time>
<s>年轻人之间他也有比</s>
<time>1371_00:46:59,511 --> 00:46:59,871</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1372_00:47:00,231 --> 00:47:01,311</time>
<s>您比如您教这些年轻人</s>
<time>1373_00:47:01,671 --> 00:47:02,391</time>
<s>那一个火了</s>
<time>1374_00:47:03,471 --> 00:47:04,551</time>
<s>其他还默默无闻</s>
<time>1375_00:47:04,911 --> 00:47:07,431</time>
<s>那这个心理的难道说</s>
<time>1376_00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:08,511</time>
<s>能够想得开吗</s>
<time>1377_00:47:09,591 --> 00:47:10,311</time>
<s>能够平衡吗</s>
<time>1378_00:47:11,751 --> 00:47:13,551</time>
<s>我觉得这有什么不能平衡的</s>
<time>1379_00:47:13,911 --> 00:47:14,271</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>1380_00:47:14,631 --> 00:47:15,351</time>
<s>什么平衡的你也</s>
<time>1381_00:47:15,711 --> 00:47:16,431</time>
<s>就是各有各的难处</s>
<time>1382_00:47:16,791 --> 00:47:17,511</time>
<s>大有大的难处</s>
<time>1383_00:47:17,871 --> 00:47:19,311</time>
<s>这不是王熙凤说的吗对不对</s>
<time>1384_00:47:19,671 --> 00:47:21,471</time>
<s>你社会高有高的难处</s>
<time>1385_00:47:22,911 --> 00:47:24,351</time>
<s>你过去你比如说雍正皇帝</s>
<time>1386_00:47:24,711 --> 00:47:25,431</time>
<s>一国之君</s>
<time>1387_00:47:25,791 --> 00:47:27,591</time>
<s>自己给自己刻方印叫“为君难”</s>
<time>1388_00:47:27,951 --> 00:47:28,671</time>
<s>你不知道我有多难</s>
<time>1389_00:47:29,031 --> 00:47:29,391</time>
<s>你都到皇上了</s>
<time>1390_00:47:29,751 --> 00:47:31,191</time>
<s>你不还是这个事吗一样</s>
<time>1391_00:47:31,551 --> 00:47:32,271</time>
<s>就是出人头地</s>
<time>1392_00:47:32,631 --> 00:47:32,991</time>
<s>望子成龙</s>
<time>1393_00:47:33,351 --> 00:47:33,711</time>
<s>恨铁不成钢</s>
<time>1394_00:47:34,071 --> 00:47:34,431</time>
<s>这全是问题</s>
<time>1395_00:47:34,791 --> 00:47:35,151</time>
<s>我是保守</s>
<time>1396_00:47:35,511 --> 00:47:36,231</time>
<s>保守主义的人</s>
<time>1397_00:47:36,591 --> 00:47:39,111</time>
<s>对您比如说您是不是一个</s>
<time>1398_00:47:39,831 --> 00:47:43,071</time>
<s>小的时候自我评价偏低</s>
<time>1399_00:47:43,431 --> 00:47:44,151</time>
<s>偏低</s>
<time>1400_00:47:44,511 --> 00:47:47,031</time>
<s>所以说举轻若重</s>
<time>1401_00:47:47,751 --> 00:47:49,191</time>
<s>容易把一个演出</s>
<time>1402_00:47:49,551 --> 00:47:51,351</time>
<s>或者一个什么看得特别地重</s>
<time>1403_00:47:51,711 --> 00:47:52,071</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1404_00:47:52,431 --> 00:47:53,151</time>
<s>生怕自己不行</s>
<time>1405_00:47:53,511 --> 00:47:54,231</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1406_00:47:54,591 --> 00:47:54,951</time>
<s>您也有这个心态</s>
<time>1407_00:47:55,311 --> 00:47:56,031</time>
<s>有</s>
<time>1408_00:47:56,751 --> 00:47:57,111</time>
<s>怎么能没有呢</s>
<time>1409_00:47:59,271 --> 00:48:01,071</time>
<s>那这不成为生活的一种痛苦吗</s>
<time>1410_00:48:02,511 --> 00:48:03,951</time>
<s>会工作的痛苦都会</s>
<time>1411_00:48:06,831 --> 00:48:08,991</time>
<s>但是好在就是它给自己有压力了</s>
<time>1412_00:48:10,431 --> 00:48:11,871</time>
<s>因为我别的压力没有</s>
<time>1413_00:48:12,231 --> 00:48:13,311</time>
<s>我就来自自己的压力</s>
<time>1414_00:48:15,471 --> 00:48:15,831</time>
<s>我这点好</s>
<time>1415_00:48:18,351 --> 00:48:20,871</time>
<s>所以说压力可以是自加压力</s>
<time>1416_00:48:21,231 --> 00:48:22,311</time>
<s>对我不能别人给我压力</s>
<time>1417_00:48:23,751 --> 00:48:24,111</time>
<s>别人给我压力</s>
<time>1418_00:48:24,471 --> 00:48:25,551</time>
<s>我就这事我就不干了</s>
<time>1419_00:48:26,631 --> 00:48:27,351</time>
<s>而且您是哪里有压迫</s>
<time>1420_00:48:27,711 --> 00:48:29,151</time>
<s>哪里就有反抗</s>
<time>1421_00:48:30,591 --> 00:48:33,111</time>
<s>我可以不做这个事对</s>
<time>1422_00:48:33,471 --> 00:48:34,191</time>
<s>压力大了我就不做了</s>
<time>1423_00:48:34,911 --> 00:48:35,271</time>
<s>我刚刚看您孩子</s>
<time>1424_00:48:35,631 --> 00:48:36,351</time>
<s>就看那一小会儿</s>
<time>1425_00:48:36,711 --> 00:48:38,511</time>
<s>是不是大愚就是他的精神上</s>
<time>1426_00:48:38,871 --> 00:48:39,591</time>
<s>就更松驰一些会</s>
<time>1427_00:48:39,951 --> 00:48:41,031</time>
<s>他比我松驰多了</s>
<time>1428_00:48:41,391 --> 00:48:42,471</time>
<s>是这一代年轻人￥</s>
<time>1429_00:48:42,831 --> 00:48:44,271</time>
<s>将来他们这一代人</s>
<time>1430_00:48:44,631 --> 00:48:46,431</time>
<s>才是出大作品的时候</s>
<time>1431_00:48:47,871 --> 00:48:48,231</time>
<s>怎么说</s>
<time>1432_00:48:50,031 --> 00:48:51,831</time>
<s>我觉得有压力才是出作品吧</s>
<time>1433_00:48:52,191 --> 00:48:54,351</time>
<s>不对没压力才是出作品</s>
<time>1434_00:48:54,711 --> 00:48:57,231</time>
<s>有压力往往出的是偏执的东西</s>
<time>1435_00:49:00,831 --> 00:49:02,631</time>
<s>然后再修正这些偏执</s>
<time>1436_00:49:02,991 --> 00:49:04,431</time>
<s>又得花同样的力气</s>
<time>1437_00:49:05,871 --> 00:49:07,671</time>
<s>马爷不都是说痛苦出诗人吗</s>
<time>1438_00:49:08,031 --> 00:49:10,191</time>
<s>诗人诗人那东西不管用</s>
<time>1439_00:49:11,991 --> 00:49:14,151</time>
<s>诗人不能够制造市场</s>
<time>1440_00:49:14,511 --> 00:49:16,311</time>
<s>是一个精神世界的追求而已</s>
<time>1441_00:49:17,031 --> 00:49:18,471</time>
<s>我们现在要说到</s>
<time>1442_00:49:18,831 --> 00:49:19,551</time>
<s>今天的社会评判（之一）中</s>
<time>1443_00:49:19,911 --> 00:49:21,351</time>
<s>是拿市场价值评判的</s>
<time>1444_00:49:21,711 --> 00:49:22,431</time>
<s>你有多大价值</s>
<time>1445_00:49:22,791 --> 00:49:23,871</time>
<s>你所谓流量就是换钱</s>
<time>1446_00:49:24,231 --> 00:49:26,031</time>
<s>确实把这个钱都搁在前面</s>
<time>1447_00:49:26,391 --> 00:49:28,551</time>
<s>不停地拿钱来衡量所有成功者</s>
<time>1448_00:49:28,911 --> 00:49:30,351</time>
<s>这个肯定是不对的</s>
<time>1449_00:49:30,711 --> 00:49:33,591</time>
<s>因为成功有各种标志</s>
<time>1450_00:49:33,951 --> 00:49:34,311</time>
<s>你比如说</s>
<time>1451_00:49:34,671 --> 00:49:35,751</time>
<s>我刚才在说的时候我在想</s>
<time>1452_00:49:36,111 --> 00:49:37,191</time>
<s>那个时候我记得</s>
<time>1453_00:49:37,551 --> 00:49:38,271</time>
<s>我那个儿子跟我说</s>
<time>1454_00:49:38,631 --> 00:49:41,511</time>
<s>说上中学</s>
<time>1455_00:49:41,871 --> 00:49:43,311</time>
<s>在英国上中学</s>
<time>1456_00:49:43,671 --> 00:49:44,751</time>
<s>说我那个数学老师</s>
<time>1457_00:49:45,111 --> 00:49:47,271</time>
<s>是这个牛津毕业的</s>
<time>1458_00:49:47,631 --> 00:49:48,351</time>
<s>数学系是吧</s>
<time>1459_00:49:48,711 --> 00:49:49,071</time>
<s>牛津毕业的</s>
<time>1460_00:49:49,431 --> 00:49:49,791</time>
<s>就是中学老师</s>
<time>1461_00:49:50,151 --> 00:49:50,511</time>
<s>教了一辈子</s>
<time>1462_00:49:50,871 --> 00:49:52,311</time>
<s>最后一堂课是给我们上的</s>
<time>1463_00:49:52,671 --> 00:49:53,751</time>
<s>说我大学毕业以后</s>
<time>1464_00:49:54,111 --> 00:49:55,551</time>
<s>就在这个学校里当这个数学老师</s>
<time>1465_00:49:55,911 --> 00:49:57,351</time>
<s>说那老师所有的公式</s>
<time>1466_00:49:57,711 --> 00:49:58,431</time>
<s>随手就写黑板上</s>
<time>1467_00:49:58,791 --> 00:49:59,871</time>
<s>他全部在脑子里</s>
<time>1468_00:50:00,231 --> 00:50:02,391</time>
<s>我们认为如果跑这儿来</s>
<time>1469_00:50:02,751 --> 00:50:04,551</time>
<s>这种学科出来的人</s>
<time>1470_00:50:04,911 --> 00:50:06,711</time>
<s>我不可能到中学当一个老师</s>
<time>1471_00:50:07,071 --> 00:50:08,511</time>
<s>那感觉就是落魄了是吧</s>
<time>1472_00:50:08,871 --> 00:50:10,671</time>
<s>过去北京行话叫“落了魄”了</s>
<time>1473_00:50:11,031 --> 00:50:11,751</time>
<s>才去那地儿呢</s>
<time>1474_00:50:12,111 --> 00:50:13,551</time>
<s>但人家不是这么认为</s>
<time>1475_00:50:13,911 --> 00:50:16,431</time>
<s>人家认为我就是热爱这个事</s>
<time>1476_00:50:16,791 --> 00:50:18,231</time>
<s>我一辈子就在一个学校里</s>
<time>1477_00:50:18,591 --> 00:50:19,671</time>
<s>教到最后一堂课</s>
<time>1478_00:50:20,031 --> 00:50:21,831</time>
<s>那所有的学生都特别受感动</s>
<time>1479_00:50:22,191 --> 00:50:24,351</time>
<s>记住老师的最后这一堂课</s>
<time>1480_00:50:24,711 --> 00:50:25,431</time>
<s>人家这一辈子是成功的</s>
<time>1481_00:50:26,511 --> 00:50:26,871</time>
<s>没有什么不成功</s>
<time>1482_00:50:27,231 --> 00:50:29,031</time>
<s>而且是相当地成功</s>
<time>1483_00:50:29,391 --> 00:50:30,471</time>
<s>人家说一个社会的成功</s>
<time>1484_00:50:30,831 --> 00:50:31,551</time>
<s>不是精英的成功</s>
<time>1485_00:50:31,911 --> 00:50:32,631</time>
<s>是普通人的成功</s>
<time>1486_00:50:32,991 --> 00:50:33,351</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1487_00:50:33,711 --> 00:50:34,431</time>
<s>这话就深刻多了吧</s>
<time>1488_00:50:34,791 --> 00:50:35,511</time>
<s>深刻</s>
<time>1489_00:50:36,231 --> 00:50:36,591</time>
<s>普通人的成功</s>
<time>1490_00:50:36,951 --> 00:50:37,671</time>
<s>你说你看那精英</s>
<time>1491_00:50:38,031 --> 00:50:38,391</time>
<s>精英才多少</s>
<time>1492_00:50:38,751 --> 00:50:40,551</time>
<s>那这社会什么事情都是金字塔</s>
<time>1493_00:50:40,911 --> 00:50:42,351</time>
<s>你天天拿金字塔尖那点人</s>
<time>1494_00:50:42,711 --> 00:50:43,431</time>
<s>跟我们说事</s>
<time>1495_00:50:43,791 --> 00:50:44,511</time>
<s>那这个社会怎么去办呢</s>
<time>1496_00:50:44,871 --> 00:50:47,751</time>
<s>老去要争当这个金字塔的尖儿</s>
<time>1497_00:50:48,831 --> 00:50:49,551</time>
<s>这社会就不稳定了</s>
<time>1498_00:50:51,351 --> 00:50:52,431</time>
<s>这话也深刻</s>
<time>1499_00:50:52,791 --> 00:50:53,151</time>
<s>真的</s>
<time>1500_00:50:53,871 --> 00:50:55,311</time>
<s>但是人家可能有人说了</s>
<time>1501_00:50:55,671 --> 00:50:57,471</time>
<s>您可是在尖儿上的人才说这话的</s>
<time>1502_00:50:57,831 --> 00:50:58,551</time>
<s>我才不当那尖儿呢</s>
<time>1503_00:50:59,631 --> 00:51:01,431</time>
<s>您算是艺坛上的一个尖儿了</s>
<time>1504_00:51:01,791 --> 00:51:02,511</time>
<s>艺坛上我也不是尖儿</s>
<time>1505_00:51:02,871 --> 00:51:05,031</time>
<s>还有比您这个喜剧方面</s>
<time>1506_00:51:05,391 --> 00:51:07,551</time>
<s>那喜剧归喜剧对</s>
<time>1507_00:51:08,631 --> 00:51:09,351</time>
<s>挣钱我不是</s>
<time>1508_00:51:09,711 --> 00:51:11,151</time>
<s>那今天的标准我不是</s>
<time>1509_00:51:11,511 --> 00:51:12,951</time>
<s>他是有机会挣钱的时候</s>
<time>1510_00:51:13,311 --> 00:51:14,031</time>
<s>不愿意妥协</s>
<time>1511_00:51:14,391 --> 00:51:14,751</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1512_00:51:15,111 --> 00:51:16,191</time>
<s>你知道妥协</s>
<time>1513_00:51:16,551 --> 00:51:19,071</time>
<s>这个你一妥协钱就来了对不对</s>
<time>1514_00:51:19,431 --> 00:51:20,511</time>
<s>那时候不妥协嘛</s>
<time>1515_00:51:20,871 --> 00:51:22,671</time>
<s>人家对艺术纯粹有追求的人</s>
<time>1516_00:51:23,031 --> 00:51:23,391</time>
<s>都不愿意妥协</s>
<time>1517_00:51:23,751 --> 00:51:24,471</time>
<s>人生总要是</s>
<time>1518_00:51:24,831 --> 00:51:25,551</time>
<s>就是在多个选择中</s>
<time>1519_00:51:25,911 --> 00:51:26,271</time>
<s>都在选择</s>
<time>1520_00:51:26,631 --> 00:51:30,231</time>
<s>您这个现在还是靠票房</s>
<time>1521_00:51:30,951 --> 00:51:32,031</time>
<s>票房</s>
<time>1522_00:51:32,391 --> 00:51:33,111</time>
<s>我们没有金主</s>
<time>1523_00:51:34,911 --> 00:51:35,631</time>
<s>也可以赞助</s>
<time>1524_00:51:35,991 --> 00:51:36,351</time>
<s>金主不</s>
<time>1525_00:51:36,711 --> 00:51:38,511</time>
<s>我们的金主就是那个票房</s>
<time>1526_00:51:39,591 --> 00:51:40,311</time>
<s>就是观众</s>
<time>1527_00:51:40,671 --> 00:51:41,031</time>
<s>一个一个观众</s>
<time>1528_00:51:41,751 --> 00:51:43,551</time>
<s>那我上次的朋友</s>
<time>1529_00:51:43,911 --> 00:51:45,351</time>
<s>都买他这个（《戏台》）黄牛票</s>
<time>1530_00:51:45,711 --> 00:51:47,511</time>
<s>都买到一千八两千</s>
<time>1531_00:51:47,871 --> 00:51:48,231</time>
<s>座位好的</s>
<time>1532_00:51:49,671 --> 00:51:50,031</time>
<s>那您发了没有</s>
<time>1533_00:51:51,471 --> 00:51:52,191</time>
<s>那不是我发</s>
<time>1534_00:51:52,551 --> 00:51:53,631</time>
<s>那是那个黄牛发呀</s>
<time>1535_00:51:53,991 --> 00:51:55,431</time>
<s>他们的票都是物价局核定的</s>
<time>1536_00:51:55,791 --> 00:51:56,511</time>
<s>不是他自己不能定</s>
<time>1537_00:51:56,871 --> 00:51:57,231</time>
<s>都是核定的</s>
<time>1538_00:51:57,591 --> 00:51:59,031</time>
<s>不能说您想多高就多高</s>
<time>1539_00:51:59,391 --> 00:52:00,111</time>
<s>那不行</s>
<time>1540_00:52:00,471 --> 00:52:01,191</time>
<s>那怎么歌星演唱会</s>
<time>1541_00:52:01,551 --> 00:52:02,271</time>
<s>能那个几千上万的</s>
<time>1542_00:52:02,631 --> 00:52:04,071</time>
<s>那也经过同意的</s>
<time>1543_00:52:04,791 --> 00:52:05,511</time>
<s>那有人同意的</s>
<time>1544_00:52:06,591 --> 00:52:07,671</time>
<s>那为什么他们就比你贵呢</s>
<time>1545_00:52:08,751 --> 00:52:11,271</time>
<s>因为他们比我贵所以</s>
<time>1546_00:52:12,711 --> 00:52:13,431</time>
<s>他们价码都比我贵</s>
<time>1547_00:52:13,791 --> 00:52:16,311</time>
<s>所以我的人的成本低</s>
<time>1548_00:52:17,391 --> 00:52:20,991</time>
<s>所以我的这个票价也就低</s>
<time>1549_00:52:22,431 --> 00:52:23,511</time>
<s>马爷您说这价格学</s>
<time>1550_00:52:24,951 --> 00:52:26,391</time>
<s>从哪儿论呢这是</s>
<time>1551_00:52:26,751 --> 00:52:29,631</time>
<s>如果是从观众论</s>
<time>1552_00:52:29,991 --> 00:52:33,231</time>
<s>还是从背后这个功夫付出论</s>
<time>1553_00:52:34,671 --> 00:52:36,111</time>
<s>没有一个戏是</s>
<time>1554_00:52:36,471 --> 00:52:38,631</time>
<s>从功夫和付出来论的</s>
<time>1555_00:52:38,991 --> 00:52:39,351</time>
<s>没法这么论</s>
<time>1556_00:52:39,711 --> 00:52:41,151</time>
<s>对市场就是市场</s>
<time>1557_00:52:41,511 --> 00:52:42,231</time>
<s>这是其一</s>
<time>1558_00:52:42,591 --> 00:52:43,311</time>
<s>其二一个</s>
<time>1559_00:52:43,671 --> 00:52:44,391</time>
<s>话剧本来就是</s>
<time>1560_00:52:44,751 --> 00:52:47,991</time>
<s>一个很落伍的戏剧形式</s>
<time>1561_00:52:48,711 --> 00:52:51,951</time>
<s>你再给自己定那么高的价位</s>
<time>1562_00:52:52,311 --> 00:52:54,471</time>
<s>你把观众拒绝的太多了在门外</s>
<time>1563_00:52:55,551 --> 00:52:57,351</time>
<s>因此我没资格</s>
<time>1564_00:52:57,711 --> 00:53:00,591</time>
<s>去跟观众定得很高的价位</s>
<time>1565_00:53:00,951 --> 00:53:02,031</time>
<s>但是看话剧已经是</s>
<time>1566_00:53:02,391 --> 00:53:03,471</time>
<s>很小资的了很小众</s>
<time>1567_00:53:03,831 --> 00:53:05,991</time>
<s>看这个话剧的成本</s>
<time>1568_00:53:06,351 --> 00:53:07,071</time>
<s>比看电影贵多了</s>
<time>1569_00:53:07,431 --> 00:53:08,871</time>
<s>票肯定比电影票贵</s>
<time>1570_00:53:09,231 --> 00:53:09,591</time>
<s>要贵</s>
<time>1571_00:53:09,951 --> 00:53:10,671</time>
<s>而且追求看话剧的</s>
<time>1572_00:53:11,031 --> 00:53:12,831</time>
<s>是城市中的一批人</s>
<time>1573_00:53:13,191 --> 00:53:13,911</time>
<s>每个城市都有</s>
<time>1574_00:53:14,271 --> 00:53:16,071</time>
<s>我们其实特别缺这种剧场</s>
<time>1575_00:53:17,151 --> 00:53:17,511</time>
<s>很多人愿意看戏</s>
<time>1576_00:53:18,231 --> 00:53:19,671</time>
<s>我去看戏很多时候都买不着</s>
<time>1577_00:53:20,031 --> 00:53:20,751</time>
<s>熟也没用</s>
<time>1578_00:53:21,111 --> 00:53:21,471</time>
<s>我跟他熟吧</s>
<time>1579_00:53:21,831 --> 00:53:22,551</time>
<s>我去找他他买不着票的</s>
<time>1580_00:53:23,271 --> 00:53:24,711</time>
<s>他买不了票</s>
<time>1581_00:53:25,071 --> 00:53:25,791</time>
<s>他得经过那个卖票系统</s>
<time>1582_00:53:26,151 --> 00:53:26,511</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1583_00:53:26,871 --> 00:53:28,671</time>
<s>他单独卖票人家物价局</s>
<time>1584_00:53:30,111 --> 00:53:32,631</time>
<s>那怎么今天感觉相声很有票房</s>
<time>1585_00:53:32,991 --> 00:53:34,071</time>
<s>当然这个郭德纲贡献很大</s>
<time>1586_00:53:34,431 --> 00:53:34,791</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1587_00:53:35,151 --> 00:53:37,671</time>
<s>就相声感觉还比这个话剧的观众</s>
<time>1588_00:53:38,031 --> 00:53:38,751</time>
<s>还要火吧是不是</s>
<time>1589_00:53:39,111 --> 00:53:39,471</time>
<s>那当然</s>
<time>1590_00:53:40,191 --> 00:53:41,631</time>
<s>那都是逗乐的</s>
<time>1591_00:53:41,991 --> 00:53:42,711</time>
<s>都是剧场</s>
<time>1592_00:53:43,071 --> 00:53:43,431</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1593_00:53:43,791 --> 00:53:44,511</time>
<s>为什么有这个差别</s>
<time>1594_00:53:46,311 --> 00:53:49,551</time>
<s>他们的更接近大众</s>
<time>1595_00:53:49,911 --> 00:53:51,711</time>
<s>受大众欢迎这很简单的事</s>
<time>1596_00:53:52,431 --> 00:53:53,871</time>
<s>它就符合市场规律</s>
<time>1597_00:53:55,671 --> 00:53:57,471</time>
<s>您的戏也很接地气</s>
<time>1598_00:53:57,831 --> 00:54:00,351</time>
<s>但是我在戏剧里头是个别现象</s>
<time>1599_00:54:02,151 --> 00:54:04,671</time>
<s>我不是普遍的现象</s>
<time>1600_00:54:06,111 --> 00:54:07,911</time>
<s>不是所有的戏都能卖得出票</s>
<time>1601_00:54:08,991 --> 00:54:10,791</time>
<s>大部分的戏剧是不卖票的</s>
<time>1602_00:54:12,231 --> 00:54:14,031</time>
<s>或者是象征性地卖票</s>
<time>1603_00:54:15,831 --> 00:54:16,551</time>
<s>大部分要靠赠</s>
<time>1604_00:54:18,711 --> 00:54:20,871</time>
<s>要去送你能送出去就很有面儿了</s>
<time>1605_00:54:21,231 --> 00:54:22,671</time>
<s>是吗这么惨哪</s>
<time>1606_00:54:23,031 --> 00:54:24,471</time>
<s>不是就是你送出去人家得来</s>
<time>1607_00:54:24,831 --> 00:54:25,551</time>
<s>得来</s>
<time>1608_00:54:25,911 --> 00:54:26,631</time>
<s>就是你能把剧场坐满了</s>
<time>1609_00:54:26,991 --> 00:54:27,351</time>
<s>就很不容易</s>
<time>1610_00:54:27,711 --> 00:54:28,071</time>
<s>对不容易</s>
<time>1611_00:54:28,431 --> 00:54:29,871</time>
<s>是不是还有一个门槛的问题</s>
<time>1612_00:54:30,231 --> 00:54:31,671</time>
<s>就是比如说大家如果去看相声</s>
<time>1613_00:54:32,031 --> 00:54:33,471</time>
<s>你就预期我这个晚上过去</s>
<time>1614_00:54:33,831 --> 00:54:34,911</time>
<s>就是从头笑到底</s>
<time>1615_00:54:35,271 --> 00:54:35,631</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1616_00:54:35,991 --> 00:54:36,711</time>
<s>没什么门槛</s>
<time>1617_00:54:37,071 --> 00:54:37,431</time>
<s>没有压力</s>
<time>1618_00:54:37,791 --> 00:54:38,871</time>
<s>他们就当作一个事儿</s>
<time>1619_00:54:39,231 --> 00:54:40,671</time>
<s>比如说我们约见面</s>
<time>1620_00:54:41,031 --> 00:54:41,751</time>
<s>说咱们吃个饭</s>
<time>1621_00:54:42,111 --> 00:54:42,831</time>
<s>然后去看一个娱乐</s>
<time>1622_00:54:43,191 --> 00:54:43,551</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1623_00:54:43,911 --> 00:54:44,631</time>
<s>你这个事吧</s>
<time>1624_00:54:45,351 --> 00:54:46,791</time>
<s>最早是那个斯皮尔伯格</s>
<time>1625_00:54:47,151 --> 00:54:49,671</time>
<s>说他把电影变成了一个事件</s>
<time>1626_00:54:50,031 --> 00:54:50,751</time>
<s>就是说我们看他的电影</s>
<time>1627_00:54:51,111 --> 00:54:52,551</time>
<s>不是大家光看电影</s>
<time>1628_00:54:52,911 --> 00:54:54,711</time>
<s>是约好了咱们一个事儿</s>
<time>1629_00:54:55,431 --> 00:54:55,791</time>
<s>一种生活方式</s>
<time>1630_00:54:56,151 --> 00:54:56,871</time>
<s>他一个事儿去做</s>
<time>1631_00:54:57,231 --> 00:54:57,951</time>
<s>那么他一定要</s>
<time>1632_00:54:58,311 --> 00:54:59,031</time>
<s>找一个就是比较轻松</s>
<time>1633_00:54:59,391 --> 00:55:00,471</time>
<s>大家可预期</s>
<time>1634_00:55:00,831 --> 00:55:01,911</time>
<s>我就是来笑的没有别的</s>
<time>1635_00:55:02,271 --> 00:55:02,991</time>
<s>但你看戏剧表演</s>
<time>1636_00:55:03,351 --> 00:55:04,791</time>
<s>可能还是比较烧脑有时候</s>
<time>1637_00:55:05,151 --> 00:55:07,671</time>
<s>对而且现在更多的是老百姓</s>
<time>1638_00:55:08,031 --> 00:55:10,191</time>
<s>可能它不是特别受欢迎的东西</s>
<time>1639_00:55:10,551 --> 00:55:11,991</time>
<s>更多的人做戏剧</s>
<time>1640_00:55:12,351 --> 00:55:13,431</time>
<s>不是为了观众</s>
<time>1641_00:55:13,791 --> 00:55:15,591</time>
<s>他是</s>
<time>1642_00:55:15,951 --> 00:55:16,671</time>
<s>追求自己的艺术</s>
<time>1643_00:55:17,031 --> 00:55:17,751</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1644_00:55:18,111 --> 00:55:19,911</time>
<s>所以这个东西就是他更</s>
<time>1645_00:55:20,271 --> 00:55:22,431</time>
<s>他做的不是为市场做的戏</s>
<time>1646_00:55:22,791 --> 00:55:24,231</time>
<s>所以我记得您好像是</s>
<time>1647_00:55:24,591 --> 00:55:26,391</time>
<s>在几年前的一个采访里还说</s>
<time>1648_00:55:26,751 --> 00:55:29,271</time>
<s>要不然他这个喜剧院叫大道</s>
<time>1649_00:55:29,631 --> 00:55:31,071</time>
<s>大道其实很荒芜</s>
<time>1650_00:55:31,431 --> 00:55:32,511</time>
<s>就是说您当时就感觉</s>
<time>1651_00:55:32,871 --> 00:55:34,311</time>
<s>就是说好像还是</s>
<time>1652_00:55:34,671 --> 00:55:36,111</time>
<s>说什么有点寂寞</s>
<time>1653_00:55:36,471 --> 00:55:38,271</time>
<s>就感觉好像是没有对手</s>
<time>1654_00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:41,151</time>
<s>那不是说市场</s>
<time>1655_00:55:41,511 --> 00:55:43,311</time>
<s>那是说的是我在业务上</s>
<time>1656_00:55:45,111 --> 00:55:46,191</time>
<s>没有可切的人</s>
<time>1657_00:55:47,271 --> 00:55:47,991</time>
<s>那您比如说现在</s>
<time>1658_00:55:48,351 --> 00:55:49,791</time>
<s>靠演这个喜剧性的话剧</s>
<time>1659_00:55:50,151 --> 00:55:51,591</time>
<s>不是还有什么开心麻花</s>
<time>1660_00:55:52,671 --> 00:55:54,471</time>
<s>它那个跟您是对手吗</s>
<time>1661_00:55:55,191 --> 00:55:57,351</time>
<s>在市场上是竞争的对手</s>
<time>1662_00:55:58,071 --> 00:55:59,511</time>
<s>但是形不成对手</s>
<time>1663_00:56:00,951 --> 00:56:02,391</time>
<s>这市场太大了</s>
<time>1664_00:56:03,111 --> 00:56:04,551</time>
<s>就这我们两家</s>
<time>1665_00:56:04,911 --> 00:56:05,631</time>
<s>简直是可以微不足道</s>
<time>1666_00:56:05,991 --> 00:56:06,351</time>
<s>忽略不计</s>
<time>1667_00:56:07,791 --> 00:56:09,231</time>
<s>就是你要到政府那个工商部门</s>
<time>1668_00:56:09,591 --> 00:56:10,671</time>
<s>这都可以忽略不计</s>
<time>1669_00:56:11,031 --> 00:56:13,551</time>
<s>仁瓜俩枣的算它干什么</s>
<time>1670_00:56:14,271 --> 00:56:16,791</time>
<s>您知道这个佩斯老师这个人性</s>
<time>1671_00:56:17,151 --> 00:56:18,591</time>
<s>不是不是人性</s>
<time>1672_00:56:18,951 --> 00:56:21,471</time>
<s>这个人格吧对吧</s>
<time>1673_00:56:21,831 --> 00:56:23,631</time>
<s>这个他做了一个在我看来</s>
<time>1674_00:56:23,991 --> 00:56:26,151</time>
<s>就是我绝对不会做这样的选择</s>
<time>1675_00:56:26,871 --> 00:56:28,311</time>
<s>就是在曾几何时</s>
<time>1676_00:56:28,671 --> 00:56:31,551</time>
<s>他一个人出去走穴赚的钱</s>
<time>1677_00:56:32,271 --> 00:56:35,151</time>
<s>比他这一个话剧班子</s>
<time>1678_00:56:35,511 --> 00:56:37,671</time>
<s>出去挣的钱多得多</s>
<time>1679_00:56:39,111 --> 00:56:39,471</time>
<s>这是为什么呢</s>
<time>1680_00:56:40,911 --> 00:56:41,631</time>
<s>那个没挑战了</s>
<time>1681_00:56:43,071 --> 00:56:44,511</time>
<s>一个作品完了以后大家受欢迎</s>
<time>1682_00:56:44,871 --> 00:56:46,671</time>
<s>挣了钱了可以了</s>
<time>1683_00:56:47,031 --> 00:56:47,751</time>
<s>就光成挣钱了</s>
<time>1684_00:56:48,111 --> 00:56:48,831</time>
<s>对你还能怎么着</s>
<time>1685_00:56:49,911 --> 00:56:50,631</time>
<s>然后就不断地重复</s>
<time>1686_00:56:50,991 --> 00:56:51,711</time>
<s>就成印钞机了</s>
<time>1687_00:56:52,071 --> 00:56:52,791</time>
<s>有什么意思</s>
<time>1688_00:56:53,871 --> 00:56:54,591</time>
<s>您不爱钱哪</s>
<time>1689_00:56:56,751 --> 00:56:58,911</time>
<s>不是听那个老茂儿就说您特抠嘛</s>
<time>1690_00:57:01,431 --> 00:57:02,151</time>
<s>他是老拿我开逗</s>
<time>1691_00:57:02,511 --> 00:57:02,871</time>
<s>这叫会花钱</s>
<time>1692_00:57:03,231 --> 00:57:04,311</time>
<s>老拿我开逗</s>
<time>1693_00:57:05,031 --> 00:57:05,751</time>
<s>最主要是什么</s>
<time>1694_00:57:06,111 --> 00:57:07,551</time>
<s>那个没有</s>
<time>1695_00:57:07,911 --> 00:57:08,631</time>
<s>又没有花钱的习惯</s>
<time>1696_00:57:08,991 --> 00:57:10,431</time>
<s>另外一个最主要的是</s>
<time>1697_00:57:10,791 --> 00:57:12,231</time>
<s>我喜欢做这个</s>
<time>1698_00:57:12,591 --> 00:57:14,751</time>
<s>我喜欢我现在手头做的这些事儿</s>
<time>1699_00:57:15,111 --> 00:57:15,471</time>
<s>喜欢很重要</s>
<time>1700_00:57:15,831 --> 00:57:16,911</time>
<s>喜欢特别重要</s>
<time>1701_00:57:17,271 --> 00:57:19,431</time>
<s>所以钱不钱的我不谈</s>
<time>1702_00:57:19,791 --> 00:57:21,591</time>
<s>说实在的第二位</s>
<time>1703_00:57:21,951 --> 00:57:24,471</time>
<s>所以最后选择的还是这种</s>
<time>1704_00:57:24,831 --> 00:57:26,271</time>
<s>哪怕做这个话剧</s>
<time>1705_00:57:26,631 --> 00:57:28,071</time>
<s>当他跟这些年轻人说</s>
<time>1706_00:57:28,431 --> 00:57:30,231</time>
<s>你们靠我教给你们这玩意儿</s>
<time>1707_00:57:30,591 --> 00:57:33,111</time>
<s>就等于能靠票房养活自己了</s>
<time>1708_00:57:33,471 --> 00:57:33,831</time>
<s>你当然可能</s>
<time>1709_00:57:34,191 --> 00:57:35,991</time>
<s>不能跟那些流行大明星们</s>
<time>1710_00:57:36,351 --> 00:57:38,151</time>
<s>偶像们挣一亿什么的比</s>
<time>1711_00:57:39,231 --> 00:57:40,311</time>
<s>但是这个自食其力了</s>
<time>1712_00:57:40,671 --> 00:57:42,111</time>
<s>而且靠着这套玩意儿</s>
<time>1713_00:57:42,471 --> 00:57:42,831</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1714_00:57:43,191 --> 00:57:44,991</time>
<s>这个东西也好像这个满足</s>
<time>1715_00:57:45,351 --> 00:57:46,791</time>
<s>和满足之间有点不太一样</s>
<time>1716_00:57:47,151 --> 00:57:47,871</time>
<s>有尊严</s>
<time>1717_00:57:48,231 --> 00:57:50,031</time>
<s>甚至比我自己成功</s>
<time>1718_00:57:50,391 --> 00:57:54,351</time>
<s>我还觉得有这个</s>
<time>1719_00:57:54,711 --> 00:57:55,071</time>
<s>成就感</s>
<time>1720_00:57:56,511 --> 00:57:58,311</time>
<s>对我们那个前不久</s>
