<time>1721_00:57:58,671 --> 00:58:00,111</time>
<s>有两个学生就在上海</s>
<time>1722_00:58:00,471 --> 00:58:03,711</time>
<s>导一个这个结构喜剧</s>
<time>1723_00:58:04,071 --> 00:58:05,871</time>
<s>英国的结构喜剧对</s>
<time>1724_00:58:06,591 --> 00:58:08,031</time>
<s>就是你导结构喜剧</s>
<time>1725_00:58:08,391 --> 00:58:09,831</time>
<s>你就得从我这门里出去</s>
<time>1726_00:58:12,351 --> 00:58:14,871</time>
<s>别无他所</s>
<time>1727_00:58:16,671 --> 00:58:17,751</time>
<s>这个结构喜剧就这一家</s>
<time>1728_00:58:18,111 --> 00:58:20,271</time>
<s>这个身有绝技的人</s>
<time>1729_00:58:20,631 --> 00:58:22,791</time>
<s>是人类的一个重要财富</s>
<time>1730_00:58:23,511 --> 00:58:24,951</time>
<s>当年两国之间打仗</s>
<time>1731_00:58:25,311 --> 00:58:27,111</time>
<s>掠走的就是这些工匠</s>
<time>1732_00:58:27,471 --> 00:58:27,831</time>
<s>都是这些人</s>
<time>1733_00:58:28,191 --> 00:58:29,991</time>
<s>这是文明的一个特别宝贵的</s>
<time>1734_00:58:30,711 --> 00:58:32,511</time>
<s>你比如说要是当年的</s>
<time>1735_00:58:32,871 --> 00:58:34,671</time>
<s>这个百业百工</s>
<time>1736_00:58:35,031 --> 00:58:36,471</time>
<s>他哪怕是个搞竹刻的</s>
<time>1737_00:58:36,831 --> 00:58:37,911</time>
<s>哪怕是个做茶壶的</s>
<time>1738_00:58:38,991 --> 00:58:40,791</time>
<s>他没有想着大发大利</s>
<time>1739_00:58:41,151 --> 00:58:42,591</time>
<s>他就是一辈一辈</s>
<time>1740_00:58:42,951 --> 00:58:43,671</time>
<s>父亲对你的期待</s>
<time>1741_00:58:44,031 --> 00:58:47,271</time>
<s>把这个做到这么好一样好</s>
<time>1742_00:58:47,991 --> 00:58:50,511</time>
<s>传下去靠着这个你就饿不死</s>
<time>1743_00:58:50,871 --> 00:58:51,591</time>
<s>你就能够一直</s>
<time>1744_00:58:51,951 --> 00:58:52,671</time>
<s>你儿子你孙子</s>
<time>1745_00:58:53,031 --> 00:58:54,471</time>
<s>那就一直传到今天了</s>
<time>1746_00:58:54,831 --> 00:58:56,271</time>
<s>但是后来为什么有的断了呢</s>
<time>1747_00:58:56,631 --> 00:58:58,071</time>
<s>他就不传了</s>
<time>1748_00:58:59,511 --> 00:59:00,591</time>
<s>但是遗憾的是有的时候</s>
<time>1749_00:59:00,951 --> 00:59:02,751</time>
<s>不是那个个人传不传</s>
<time>1750_00:59:03,111 --> 00:59:05,271</time>
<s>（比如）明朝这种对戏剧的</s>
<time>1751_00:59:05,631 --> 00:59:08,871</time>
<s>这种打压和禁毁</s>
<time>1752_00:59:09,231 --> 00:59:10,311</time>
<s>它叫禁毁</s>
<time>1753_00:59:10,671 --> 00:59:12,831</time>
<s>毁毁灭</s>
<time>1754_00:59:13,911 --> 00:59:16,431</time>
<s>它这种都是非常残暴的</s>
<time>1755_00:59:19,671 --> 00:59:20,031</time>
<s>所以</s>
<time>1756_00:59:21,471 --> 00:59:22,551</time>
<s>它为什么传不到今天</s>
<time>1757_00:59:22,911 --> 00:59:24,711</time>
<s>很多人东西传不到今天</s>
<time>1758_00:59:25,071 --> 00:59:25,431</time>
<s>文化（要保护传承）</s>
<time>1759_00:59:26,871 --> 00:59:27,231</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1760_00:59:27,591 --> 00:59:29,391</time>
<s>咱们这个讲这个父子</s>
<time>1761_00:59:29,751 --> 00:59:30,471</time>
<s>我最后就回过头来</s>
<time>1762_00:59:30,831 --> 00:59:31,911</time>
<s>就想您当年说的</s>
<time>1763_00:59:32,631 --> 00:59:34,791</time>
<s>就是的确有一个阶段</s>
<time>1764_00:59:35,151 --> 00:59:36,951</time>
<s>父子之间是矛盾特别大</s>
<time>1765_00:59:39,111 --> 00:59:41,271</time>
<s>我不知道就是这些年轻人</s>
<time>1766_00:59:41,631 --> 00:59:43,791</time>
<s>他们将来到了我这个岁数</s>
<time>1767_00:59:44,151 --> 00:59:45,951</time>
<s>我不知道想法会不会有改变</s>
<time>1768_00:59:46,311 --> 00:59:49,191</time>
<s>就是当年我想想三四十岁的时候</s>
<time>1769_00:59:49,551 --> 00:59:51,351</time>
<s>跟父亲那也是闹到不行</s>
<time>1770_00:59:51,711 --> 00:59:52,431</time>
<s>那气得我妈</s>
<time>1771_00:59:52,791 --> 00:59:54,591</time>
<s>心脏都房颤哪在旁边</s>
<time>1772_00:59:54,951 --> 00:59:56,751</time>
<s>但是现在你一看</s>
<time>1773_00:59:57,111 --> 00:59:58,911</time>
<s>八十多这个老父亲</s>
<time>1774_00:59:59,271 --> 01:00:00,711</time>
<s>我真是看见他我就想起</s>
<time>1775_01:00:01,071 --> 01:00:02,871</time>
<s>风烛残年</s>
<time>1776_01:00:03,231 --> 01:00:03,951</time>
<s>真的我不知道为什么</s>
<time>1777_01:00:04,311 --> 01:00:06,831</time>
<s>我现在觉得他没有缺点</s>
<time>1778_01:00:07,191 --> 01:00:09,711</time>
<s>而且你知道老人大脑也在萎缩</s>
<time>1779_01:00:10,071 --> 01:00:12,231</time>
<s>他到北京待了两个星期是吧</s>
<time>1780_01:00:13,311 --> 01:00:14,031</time>
<s>他已经忘了</s>
<time>1781_01:00:14,391 --> 01:00:15,831</time>
<s>他这个老家在石家庄</s>
<time>1782_01:00:16,191 --> 01:00:17,991</time>
<s>他忘了他住的房子是什么样子了</s>
<time>1783_01:00:19,071 --> 01:00:19,791</time>
<s>老人有的时候</s>
<time>1784_01:00:20,151 --> 01:00:21,951</time>
<s>还有一种老人的自尊心</s>
<time>1785_01:00:23,751 --> 01:00:26,991</time>
<s>你知道有一个导演叫许鞍华</s>
<time>1786_01:00:27,351 --> 01:00:28,071</time>
<s>拍了一个电影叫《桃姐》</s>
<time>1787_01:00:28,431 --> 01:00:28,791</time>
<s>我就问她</s>
<time>1788_01:00:29,151 --> 01:00:29,871</time>
<s>因为她也是跟她的母亲</s>
<time>1789_01:00:30,231 --> 01:00:30,951</time>
<s>一直生活在一起</s>
<time>1790_01:00:32,031 --> 01:00:34,191</time>
<s>我说你对老人有什么想说的</s>
<time>1791_01:00:35,271 --> 01:00:38,871</time>
<s>她说人老了要接受年轻人的帮助</s>
<time>1792_01:00:40,311 --> 01:00:42,111</time>
<s>就是说人老了别要强</s>
<time>1793_01:00:43,191 --> 01:00:44,271</time>
<s>我当时挺不理解这句话的</s>
<time>1794_01:00:44,631 --> 01:00:46,071</time>
<s>我说怎么老人就不愿意</s>
<time>1795_01:00:46,431 --> 01:00:47,871</time>
<s>接受年轻人的帮助呢</s>
<time>1796_01:00:48,591 --> 01:00:51,831</time>
<s>现在我照顾我父亲我能理解了</s>
<time>1797_01:00:52,191 --> 01:00:52,911</time>
<s>他都那样了</s>
<time>1798_01:00:53,271 --> 01:00:55,071</time>
<s>但是他有他的自尊心</s>
<time>1799_01:00:55,431 --> 01:00:56,871</time>
<s>他不想本心</s>
<time>1800_01:00:57,231 --> 01:00:59,031</time>
<s>如果不是就是开始失去能力</s>
<time>1801_01:01:00,111 --> 01:01:00,831</time>
<s>他可是怎么</s>
<time>1802_01:01:01,191 --> 01:01:02,271</time>
<s>打死他都不愿意</s>
<time>1803_01:01:02,631 --> 01:01:03,351</time>
<s>花孩子一分钱</s>
<time>1804_01:01:03,711 --> 01:01:05,511</time>
<s>麻烦孩子一点</s>
<time>1805_01:01:05,871 --> 01:01:07,671</time>
<s>所以你现在真的得劝他</s>
<time>1806_01:01:08,031 --> 01:01:08,751</time>
<s>你不行了</s>
<time>1807_01:01:09,111 --> 01:01:09,831</time>
<s>你就得接受</s>
<time>1808_01:01:10,551 --> 01:01:11,271</time>
<s>有一个细节</s>
<time>1809_01:01:11,631 --> 01:01:12,351</time>
<s>我前几天想起来</s>
<time>1810_01:01:12,711 --> 01:01:13,791</time>
<s>我就觉得特别辛酸</s>
<time>1811_01:01:14,151 --> 01:01:15,951</time>
<s>就是我说这个衣服</s>
<time>1812_01:01:16,311 --> 01:01:17,031</time>
<s>我说你为什么</s>
<time>1813_01:01:17,391 --> 01:01:18,831</time>
<s>老是自己洗你这衣服</s>
<time>1814_01:01:19,191 --> 01:01:21,711</time>
<s>我以为他是抠怕费电</s>
<time>1815_01:01:22,431 --> 01:01:23,871</time>
<s>我说我每天扔洗衣机里一锅</s>
<time>1816_01:01:24,231 --> 01:01:24,951</time>
<s>你就跟我一起洗</s>
<time>1817_01:01:25,311 --> 01:01:26,031</time>
<s>你为什么不一起洗</s>
<time>1818_01:01:26,391 --> 01:01:28,191</time>
<s>我说这个都是费电</s>
<time>1819_01:01:29,631 --> 01:01:30,351</time>
<s>都是费电一样的费水</s>
<time>1820_01:01:30,711 --> 01:01:31,791</time>
<s>你为什么不跟我一起洗</s>
<time>1821_01:01:32,511 --> 01:01:34,311</time>
<s>我这么说了他两天</s>
<time>1822_01:01:34,671 --> 01:01:35,751</time>
<s>最后他说出来一个</s>
<time>1823_01:01:36,111 --> 01:01:40,791</time>
<s>他说我知道你们年轻人嫌老人脏</s>
<time>1824_01:01:41,871 --> 01:01:43,671</time>
<s>嫌老人身上有味儿</s>
<time>1825_01:01:44,031 --> 01:01:47,631</time>
<s>就不愿意衣服跟老人混一块儿</s>
<time>1826_01:01:49,071 --> 01:01:51,591</time>
<s>我听着就特别觉得</s>
<time>1827_01:01:51,951 --> 01:01:52,671</time>
<s>这个老人</s>
<time>1828_01:01:53,031 --> 01:01:55,551</time>
<s>他也有他的这样的一种这叫</s>
<time>1829_01:01:55,911 --> 01:01:57,711</time>
<s>自尊心</s>
<time>1830_01:01:58,071 --> 01:01:59,871</time>
<s>就是所以你看到这个时候</s>
<time>1831_01:02:00,231 --> 01:02:02,391</time>
<s>我就觉得不管年轻的时候</s>
<time>1832_01:02:02,751 --> 01:02:04,551</time>
<s>发生多少这个矛盾</s>
<time>1833_01:02:05,991 --> 01:02:06,711</time>
<s>等你看到真是父母亲</s>
<time>1834_01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:08,511</time>
<s>风烛残年那一天</s>
<time>1835_01:02:09,951 --> 01:02:10,671</time>
<s>我真不知道就是说</s>
<time>1836_01:02:11,031 --> 01:02:11,751</time>
<s>你还能不能还恨得起来</s>
<time>1837_01:02:12,111 --> 01:02:13,911</time>
<s>反正我是绝对就没有了</s>
<time>1838_01:02:15,711 --> 01:02:17,511</time>
<s>亲情中的这种矛盾是</s>
<time>1839_01:02:17,871 --> 01:02:19,311</time>
<s>就是这种教育矛盾</s>
<time>1840_01:02:19,671 --> 01:02:20,751</time>
<s>我们先说的教育这个矛盾</s>
<time>1841_01:02:21,111 --> 01:02:22,551</time>
<s>限定这个前提是很容易解开的</s>
<time>1842_01:02:22,911 --> 01:02:24,351</time>
<s>因为我好多年前</s>
<time>1843_01:02:24,711 --> 01:02:26,511</time>
<s>在央视做过一个教育节目</s>
<time>1844_01:02:26,871 --> 01:02:27,591</time>
<s>当时呢特别逗</s>
<time>1845_01:02:28,671 --> 01:02:30,471</time>
<s>这边这个方台上全是孩子</s>
<time>1846_01:02:30,831 --> 01:02:31,551</time>
<s>这个方台上全是家长</s>
<time>1847_01:02:31,911 --> 01:02:33,711</time>
<s>然后我在那个嘉宾席上</s>
<time>1848_01:02:34,071 --> 01:02:34,791</time>
<s>看着他们很清楚</s>
<time>1849_01:02:35,151 --> 01:02:37,311</time>
<s>整个孩子那帮那个台子上</s>
<time>1850_01:02:37,671 --> 01:02:39,831</time>
<s>大概有个百八十个孩子吧</s>
<time>1851_01:02:40,191 --> 01:02:40,551</time>
<s>全是这么坐的</s>
<time>1852_01:02:41,991 --> 01:02:42,711</time>
<s>仰着特别</s>
<time>1853_01:02:43,071 --> 01:02:44,871</time>
<s>家长那边全是这么坐着</s>
<time>1854_01:02:45,231 --> 01:02:46,671</time>
<s>所有的家长全前倾</s>
<time>1855_01:02:47,031 --> 01:02:49,911</time>
<s>整个一百多个家长是呈前倾状</s>
<time>1856_01:02:50,271 --> 01:02:52,431</time>
<s>那一百多个孩子呈后仰状</s>
<time>1857_01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:54,591</time>
<s>你在这看得很清楚</s>
<time>1858_01:02:54,951 --> 01:02:55,671</time>
<s>然后你就会发现</s>
<time>1859_01:02:56,391 --> 01:02:57,471</time>
<s>谁是弱势</s>
<time>1860_01:02:57,831 --> 01:02:58,551</time>
<s>就看得很清楚</s>
<time>1861_01:02:58,911 --> 01:03:00,711</time>
<s>家长全是弱势</s>
<time>1862_01:03:01,071 --> 01:03:01,791</time>
<s>那孩子一说话气儿一大</s>
<time>1863_01:03:02,151 --> 01:03:03,951</time>
<s>家长就不敢出声你知道吧</s>
<time>1864_01:03:04,671 --> 01:03:05,031</time>
<s>没有办法</s>
<time>1865_01:03:05,391 --> 01:03:06,111</time>
<s>就是家长跟孩子</s>
<time>1866_01:03:06,471 --> 01:03:07,551</time>
<s>正是叛逆期的孩子</s>
<time>1867_01:03:07,911 --> 01:03:08,631</time>
<s>没法沟通</s>
<time>1868_01:03:08,991 --> 01:03:10,431</time>
<s>然后我当时做这么个节目的时候</s>
<time>1869_01:03:10,791 --> 01:03:13,311</time>
<s>就是觉得特别这个画面感</s>
<time>1870_01:03:13,671 --> 01:03:14,391</time>
<s>就特别清晰地</s>
<time>1871_01:03:14,751 --> 01:03:16,191</time>
<s>反映社会的一个整体矛盾</s>
<time>1872_01:03:17,991 --> 01:03:19,431</time>
<s>都是随着时代</s>
<time>1873_01:03:20,151 --> 01:03:21,231</time>
<s>随着那个人的变化</s>
<time>1874_01:03:21,591 --> 01:03:22,311</time>
<s>年龄变化</s>
<time>1875_01:03:23,751 --> 01:03:25,551</time>
<s>生理的变化都会改变</s>
<time>1876_01:03:25,911 --> 01:03:27,351</time>
<s>不断地在改变相互的关系</s>
<time>1877_01:03:28,071 --> 01:03:31,311</time>
<s>我就感觉到您跟那个陈强老先生</s>
<time>1878_01:03:31,671 --> 01:03:33,471</time>
<s>最后您跟他在一起</s>
<time>1879_01:03:33,831 --> 01:03:35,271</time>
<s>那可真是无微不至</s>
<time>1880_01:03:35,991 --> 01:03:38,511</time>
<s>但是有的时候也得</s>
<time>1881_01:03:38,871 --> 01:03:40,671</time>
<s>就是不能按照他的意愿去做</s>
<time>1882_01:03:41,031 --> 01:03:44,631</time>
<s>一定要有些事情一定要坚持的对</s>
<time>1883_01:03:46,071 --> 01:03:47,151</time>
<s>对他再有自尊你也得坚持</s>
<time>1884_01:03:47,511 --> 01:03:48,591</time>
<s>就怎么对他好</s>
<time>1885_01:03:48,951 --> 01:03:50,031</time>
<s>就感觉他变小孩了</s>
<time>1886_01:03:50,391 --> 01:03:50,751</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1887_01:03:51,111 --> 01:03:51,831</time>
<s>那怎么办呢</s>
<time>1888_01:03:52,191 --> 01:03:52,551</time>
<s>你就变成真的是</s>
<time>1889_01:03:52,911 --> 01:03:54,711</time>
<s>人就是父子这是一个圈?</s>
<time>1890_01:03:55,071 --> 01:03:55,791</time>
<s>一个圈</s>
<time>1891_01:03:56,871 --> 01:03:57,591</time>
<s>小小孩老小孩</s>
<time>1892_01:03:57,951 --> 01:03:59,751</time>
<s>尤其是就是第一次</s>
<time>1893_01:04:00,111 --> 01:04:01,911</time>
<s>他那个得大病的时候</s>
<time>1894_01:04:02,271 --> 01:04:03,711</time>
<s>这个大脑栓塞了一下</s>
<time>1895_01:04:04,071 --> 01:04:05,511</time>
<s>然后得大病的时候</s>
<time>1896_01:04:06,951 --> 01:04:08,751</time>
<s>那个当时的第一个感觉</s>
<time>1897_01:04:09,831 --> 01:04:11,631</time>
<s>突然觉得自己又长了一块</s>
<time>1898_01:04:14,151 --> 01:04:14,871</time>
<s>我到那个时候</s>
<time>1899_01:04:15,231 --> 01:04:15,951</time>
<s>他躺到那儿的时候</s>
<time>1900_01:04:17,391 --> 01:04:18,471</time>
<s>我真的自己觉得</s>
<time>1901_01:04:19,191 --> 01:04:21,711</time>
<s>这个就是所有的担子</s>
<time>1902_01:04:22,071 --> 01:04:22,791</time>
<s>都得自己扛了</s>
<time>1903_01:04:24,951 --> 01:04:26,751</time>
<s>就是连老人我都得</s>
<time>1904_01:04:28,191 --> 01:04:28,911</time>
<s>所有的一切我都</s>
<time>1905_01:04:29,271 --> 01:04:31,071</time>
<s>他的主我也得替他去做了</s>
<time>1906_01:04:31,431 --> 01:04:32,871</time>
<s>就是过去就是轮不着我</s>
<time>1907_01:04:33,951 --> 01:04:34,671</time>
<s>他身体特别好</s>
<time>1908_01:04:36,111 --> 01:04:37,551</time>
<s>我父母都是身体特别好的人</s>
<time>1909_01:04:38,271 --> 01:04:39,711</time>
<s>就是一辈子也不得病</s>
<time>1910_01:04:40,791 --> 01:04:42,951</time>
<s>就老也轮不着我照顾他们什么</s>
<time>1911_01:04:43,311 --> 01:04:44,751</time>
<s>绝对不可能的</s>
<time>1912_01:04:46,191 --> 01:04:46,551</time>
<s>特别逗</s>
<time>1913_01:04:46,911 --> 01:04:49,791</time>
<s>然后突然有这么一天倒到那儿了</s>
<time>1914_01:04:51,231 --> 01:04:52,671</time>
<s>我突然就觉得自己又长大了</s>
<time>1915_01:04:53,391 --> 01:04:54,111</time>
<s>就是这种感觉</s>
<time>1916_01:04:55,191 --> 01:04:57,711</time>
<s>您会指望您儿子</s>
<time>1917_01:04:58,071 --> 01:04:59,511</time>
<s>将来再把这个担子挑上</s>
<time>1918_01:05:00,951 --> 01:05:02,031</time>
<s>好像现在的这个岁数的父母</s>
<time>1919_01:05:02,391 --> 01:05:05,631</time>
<s>都说的都是我绝不指望我儿子</s>
<time>1920_01:05:05,991 --> 01:05:06,711</time>
<s>将来给我养老了</s>
<time>1921_01:05:07,071 --> 01:05:08,871</time>
<s>那可不因为那就一个孩子</s>
<time>1922_01:05:09,951 --> 01:05:11,031</time>
<s>他不像我们还有三个</s>
<time>1923_01:05:11,391 --> 01:05:12,111</time>
<s>兄弟姐妹仁</s>
<time>1924_01:05:14,271 --> 01:05:16,071</time>
<s>这个照顾老人他还能轮着</s>
<time>1925_01:05:16,431 --> 01:05:18,951</time>
<s>就一个人你怎么照顾对吧</s>
<time>1926_01:05:19,311 --> 01:05:20,751</time>
<s>一对一根本照顾不了</s>
<time>1927_01:05:21,471 --> 01:05:23,631</time>
<s>那大愚他有传承您的教育观吗</s>
<time>1928_01:05:23,991 --> 01:05:24,711</time>
<s>对他的下一代</s>
<time>1929_01:05:26,871 --> 01:05:29,751</time>
<s>我觉得还凑合吧还行</s>
<time>1930_01:05:30,111 --> 01:05:31,911</time>
<s>我们那个孙辈都很快乐</s>
<time>1931_01:05:32,991 --> 01:05:34,071</time>
<s>孙辈都很快乐</s>
<time>1932_01:05:36,231 --> 01:05:38,031</time>
<s>这个小脾气都有</s>
<time>1933_01:05:38,391 --> 01:05:38,751</time>
<s>这就挺好</s>
<time>1934_01:05:40,191 --> 01:05:40,911</time>
<s>你看看</s>
<time>1935_01:05:41,271 --> 01:05:43,791</time>
<s>都有自己脾气非常好</s>
<time>1936_01:05:44,511 --> 01:05:44,871</time>
<s>所以过去以为</s>
<time>1937_01:05:45,231 --> 01:05:46,671</time>
<s>他们代代相传很严厉×</s>
<time>1938_01:05:47,031 --> 01:05:48,111</time>
<s>我不知道哪来的印象</s>
<time>1939_01:05:48,471 --> 01:05:49,551</time>
<s>现在看来不是</s>
<time>1940_01:05:49,911 --> 01:05:50,631</time>
<s>实际是有智慧</s>
<time>1941_01:05:52,071 --> 01:05:53,871</time>
<s>对实际是有智慧的</s>
<time>1942_01:05:54,231 --> 01:05:54,591</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1943_01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:56,031</time>
<s>这是一种智慧</s>
<time>1944_01:05:56,391 --> 01:05:57,831</time>
<s>这个我相信对</s>
<time>1945_01:05:58,911 --> 01:06:00,711</time>
<s>那个另外一个</s>
<time>1946_01:06:01,071 --> 01:06:02,511</time>
<s>其实你看我父亲这辈</s>
<time>1947_01:06:02,871 --> 01:06:05,031</time>
<s>他给我的那个更多的教育</s>
<time>1948_01:06:05,391 --> 01:06:05,751</time>
<s>我是对他</s>
<time>1949_01:06:06,111 --> 01:06:07,911</time>
<s>他对我影响最多的是什么呢</s>
<time>1950_01:06:08,271 --> 01:06:09,711</time>
<s>工作方法</s>
<time>1951_01:06:11,511 --> 01:06:13,311</time>
<s>他不是说表演的方法</s>
<time>1952_01:06:14,751 --> 01:06:16,191</time>
<s>而是工作的方法</s>
<time>1953_01:06:16,551 --> 01:06:18,351</time>
<s>表演的方法他对我讲</s>
<time>1954_01:06:18,711 --> 01:06:20,151</time>
<s>你可以从这个人学这儿</s>
<time>1955_01:06:20,511 --> 01:06:21,951</time>
<s>那个人学那个</s>
<time>1956_01:06:22,311 --> 01:06:23,391</time>
<s>它是千变万化的</s>
<time>1957_01:06:23,751 --> 01:06:25,191</time>
<s>他说这个工作的方法</s>
<time>1958_01:06:26,631 --> 01:06:28,071</time>
<s>他说是更重要的</s>
<time>1959_01:06:29,151 --> 01:06:31,311</time>
<s>就是一个剧本怎么能成</s>
<time>1960_01:06:33,471 --> 01:06:34,191</time>
<s>怎么一个人</s>
<time>1961_01:06:34,551 --> 01:06:35,991</time>
<s>你要做一个事情的时候</s>
<time>1962_01:06:36,351 --> 01:06:38,871</time>
<s>你要挑梁做一个事情的时候</s>
<time>1963_01:06:39,231 --> 01:06:40,311</time>
<s>你就得担当</s>
<time>1964_01:06:41,391 --> 01:06:42,831</time>
<s>你就得有很多担当</s>
<time>1965_01:06:44,631 --> 01:06:46,071</time>
<s>别人不做的事你都得能做</s>
<time>1966_01:06:46,791 --> 01:06:48,231</time>
<s>另外一个就是民主</s>
<time>1967_01:06:50,391 --> 01:06:53,271</time>
<s>民主叫那个创作空气要自由</s>
<time>1968_01:06:55,431 --> 01:06:56,871</time>
<s>每个人都可以畅所欲言</s>
<time>1969_01:06:59,391 --> 01:07:00,111</time>
<s>他说我们八路军</s>
<time>1970_01:07:00,471 --> 01:07:02,991</time>
<s>就有这个这点优秀的传统</s>
<time>1971_01:07:03,351 --> 01:07:05,871</time>
<s>他说一个炮楼要攻不下来的时候</s>
<time>1972_01:07:06,231 --> 01:07:07,671</time>
<s>大家坐一起商量</s>
<time>1973_01:07:10,191 --> 01:07:11,271</time>
<s>里头也有您父亲</s>
<time>1974_01:07:11,631 --> 01:07:12,351</time>
<s>没辙了</s>
<time>1975_01:07:12,711 --> 01:07:13,071</time>
<s>对不对</s>
<time>1976_01:07:13,431 --> 01:07:14,151</time>
<s>一块商量怎么来</s>
<time>1977_01:07:14,511 --> 01:07:16,311</time>
<s>最后总能把它给拿下来</s>
<time>1978_01:07:16,671 --> 01:07:17,391</time>
<s>怪不得战斗力强</s>
<time>1979_01:07:18,471 --> 01:07:19,551</time>
<s>就是民主</s>
<time>1980_01:07:19,911 --> 01:07:22,431</time>
<s>他说这个一个人靠一个人的力量</s>
<time>1981_01:07:22,791 --> 01:07:24,951</time>
<s>是绝对完不成大事儿的</s>
<time>1982_01:07:26,031 --> 01:07:29,631</time>
<s>然后就是那个所以我在</s>
<time>1983_01:07:29,991 --> 01:07:31,071</time>
<s>我向他学的东西</s>
<time>1984_01:07:31,431 --> 01:07:34,671</time>
<s>就是他在他的那个就是做</s>
<time>1985_01:07:35,031 --> 01:07:37,191</time>
<s>那个时候还负责点领导</s>
<time>1986_01:07:37,551 --> 01:07:38,991</time>
<s>然后他还放下身段</s>
<time>1987_01:07:39,351 --> 01:07:40,791</time>
<s>去把导演</s>
<time>1988_01:07:41,151 --> 01:07:42,951</time>
<s>什么那个编剧</s>
<time>1989_01:07:43,311 --> 01:07:44,751</time>
<s>什么演员都弄到一块</s>
<time>1990_01:07:45,111 --> 01:07:46,911</time>
<s>大家一起商量这个事该怎么弄</s>
<time>1991_01:07:47,991 --> 01:07:49,791</time>
<s>就这种工作的这种方法</s>
<time>1992_01:07:50,151 --> 01:07:52,671</time>
<s>给我影响特别深</s>
<time>1993_01:07:53,031 --> 01:07:55,911</time>
<s>然后经常带着编剧一起谈剧本</s>
<time>1994_01:07:56,271 --> 01:07:56,991</time>
<s>怎么谈什么呢</s>
<time>1995_01:07:58,071 --> 01:07:59,511</time>
<s>我也在慢慢从这里头</s>
<time>1996_01:07:59,871 --> 01:08:00,951</time>
<s>学习了好多东西</s>
<time>1997_01:08:01,311 --> 01:08:02,751</time>
<s>然后一直到最后工作状态</s>
<time>1998_01:08:03,111 --> 01:08:03,831</time>
<s>是个什么样的</s>
<time>1999_01:08:05,991 --> 01:08:07,791</time>
<s>然后慢慢到自己挑大梁</s>
<time>2000_01:08:08,151 --> 01:08:08,511</time>
<s>就完全按照</s>
<time>2001_01:08:08,871 --> 01:08:10,671</time>
<s>他的那个工作思路去走</s>
<time>2002_01:08:11,391 --> 01:08:12,831</time>
<s>这真是子承父业了</s>
<time>2003_01:08:13,911 --> 01:08:16,791</time>
<s>所以您看这个父子之间这个矛盾</s>
<time>2004_01:08:17,151 --> 01:08:17,871</time>
<s>假如就是炮楼的话</s>
<time>2005_01:08:19,311 --> 01:08:20,751</time>
<s>也得靠民主</s>
<time>2006_01:08:21,111 --> 01:08:22,191</time>
<s>民主咱们把这个给</s>
<time>2007_01:08:22,551 --> 01:08:24,711</time>
<s>隔阅冲突给它解决了</s>
<time>2008_01:08:25,071 --> 01:08:26,151</time>
<s>所以您看跟这两位爷</s>
<time>2009_01:08:26,511 --> 01:08:27,951</time>
<s>在一起长智慧</s>
<time>2010_01:08:28,311 --> 01:08:29,751</time>
<s>又学到了做父亲的智慧</s>
<time>2011_01:08:30,111 --> 01:08:32,991</time>
<s>又能学到做儿子的智慧是吧</s>
<time>2012_01:08:33,351 --> 01:08:34,791</time>
<s>还有这个母亲在旁边看着</s>
<time>2013_01:08:36,231 --> 01:08:38,751</time>
<s>谢谢</s>
<time>2014_01:08:41,631 --> 01:08:43,791</time>
<s>所以很多</s>
<time>2015_01:08:44,511 --> 01:08:47,751</time>
<s>很多乙木院校在长时间里头</s>
<time>2016_01:08:48,471 --> 01:08:50,631</time>
<s>汉有喜剧这个科目</s>
<time>2017_01:08:52,431 --> 01:08:54,231</time>
<s>没有喜剧这个保柱</s>
<time>2018_01:08:54,951 --> 01:08:56,751</time>
<s>汉有喜剧的教材</s>
<time>2019_01:08:57,471 --> 01:09:01,791</time>
<s>他们对戏剧的这个起始</s>
<time>2020_01:09:02,511 --> 01:09:03,591</time>
<s>这个起始戏剧是忘么来的</s>
<time>2021_01:09:03,951 --> 01:09:04,311</time>
<s>他无知</s>
<time>2022_01:09:04,671 --> 01:09:05,031</time>
<s>他元知</s>
<time>2023_01:09:06,471 --> 01:09:08,271</time>
<s>他对历史无知</s>
<time>2024_01:09:09,711 --> 01:09:10,791</time>
<s>他对我们老目姓的需求</s>
<time>2025_01:09:11,511 --> 01:09:12,591</time>
<s>人尖的音通的需求</s>
<time>2026_01:09:12,951 --> 01:09:15,111</time>
<s>音通需求无知</s>
<time>2027_01:09:18,711 --> 01:09:22,671</time>
<s>他对我们整个戏剧的本体无知</s>
<time>2028_01:09:24,831 --> 01:09:27,351</time>
<s>那么我们想要做这行</s>
<time>2029_01:09:27,711 --> 01:09:28,791</time>
<s>我们从一开始</s>
<time>2030_01:09:29,151 --> 01:09:32,031</time>
<s>就侍有一个很强大的心</s>
<time>2031_01:09:32,751 --> 01:09:36,711</time>
<s>因为你要面对的不元是作品</s>
<time>2032_01:09:37,791 --> 01:09:40,671</time>
<s>所以需要有一个特别强大的心</s>
<time>2033_01:09:41,031 --> 01:09:42,471</time>
<s>去支撑匕</s>
<time>2034_01:09:43,911 --> 01:09:44,991</time>
<s>否则你定不选</s>
<time>2035_01:09:46,431 --> 01:09:49,671</time>
<s>穷刀的方问应该是观去求</s>
<time>2036_01:09:50,031 --> 01:09:52,551</time>
<s>呵宜己的作品去求</s>
<time>2037_01:09:53,271 --> 01:09:55,071</time>
<s>这网者最谷易结合</s>
<time>2038_01:09:55,431 --> 01:09:57,231</time>
<s>给好了是最强大的</s>
<time>2039_01:09:57,951 --> 01:09:59,391</time>
<s>堆也推不倒你</s>
