<time>1300_00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,200</time>
<s>所以他就获得简单成功</s>
<time>1301_00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:25,920</time>
<s>现在很多</s>
<time>1302_00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,720</time>
<s>比如包括喜剧电影</s>
<time>1303_00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,960</time>
<s>那就是说还是您创造的这个小品</s>
<time>1304_00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,480</time>
<s>对吧一个就是段子大会串</s>
<time>1305_00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,280</time>
<s>小品大会串</s>
<time>1306_00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,520</time>
<s>如果你这个电影从头到尾让我乐</s>
<time>1307_00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,040</time>
<s>那这为什么就低级呢</s>
<time>1308_00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,120</time>
<s>没有说低级</s>
<time>1309_00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,360</time>
<s>是说它技术含量并不高</s>
<time>1310_00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,240</time>
<s>因为它是一个大会串</s>
<time>1311_00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,840</time>
<s>它不会是一个很结实的</s>
<time>1312_00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,000</time>
<s>一个故事结构体</s>
<time>1313_00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,160</time>
<s>就是从故事本身</s>
<time>1314_00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,320</time>
<s>它也是一个松散的东西</s>
<time>1315_00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,200</time>
<s>所以它能够就串各种各样的</s>
<time>1316_00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,080</time>
<s>可能挖掘出来的笑点</s>
<time>1317_00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,520</time>
<s>社会上的热点</s>
<time>1318_00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,040</time>
<s>就是在那儿现抓一些包吧</s>
<time>1319_00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,200</time>
<s>永远这个东西</s>
<time>1320_00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,080</time>
<s>它是一个技术含量不足</s>
<time>1321_00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,040</time>
<s>但是它结果如果真能逗乐了</s>
<time>1322_00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,120</time>
<s>没关系也好</s>
<time>1323_00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,280</time>
<s>都算成功</s>
<time>1324_00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,440</time>
<s>作为喜剧来说让观众笑了</s>
<time>1325_00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,520</time>
<s>那就算成功了</s>
<time>1326_00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120</time>
<s>它成功地穿了一串糖葫芦</s>
<time>1327_00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,000</time>
<s>你明白吧</s>
<time>1328_00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,080</time>
<s>但是它是糖葫芦</s>
<time>1329_00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,240</time>
<s>马爷您觉得这有</s>
<time>1330_00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,320</time>
<s>高级低级之分吗</s>
<time>1331_00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,480</time>
<s>喜剧或者幽默</s>
<time>1332_00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,640</time>
<s>我认为我不笑就不够高级</s>
<time>1333_00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,800</time>
<s>我说着玩儿</s>
<time>1334_00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:41,520</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>1335_00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,400</time>
<s>最好的笑是非常幽默的这种感受</s>
<time>1336_00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,200</time>
<s>这个高级和低级的区分</s>
<time>1337_00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,000</time>
<s>那首先是有些东西</s>
<time>1338_00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,240</time>
<s>现在也不提倡也不允许</s>
<time>1339_00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,040</time>
<s>比如你拿残疾人开玩笑</s>
<time>1340_00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,120</time>
<s>这个肯定是不行</s>
<time>1341_00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,920</time>
<s>过去最多的是用那种</s>
<time>1342_00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,080</time>
<s>不算残疾人的行为</s>
<time>1343_00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,240</time>
<s>但是有一些比如结巴磕子什么的</s>
<time>1344_00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,680</time>
<s>这些就是生理上的</s>
<time>1345_00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,120</time>
<s>一些缺陷开玩笑</s>
<time>1346_00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,920</time>
<s>那过去说相声还有那个</s>
<time>1347_00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,000</time>
<s>说那个就是一个瘤子</s>
<time>1348_00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,880</time>
<s>跟一个瞎一只眼的人谈恋爱那个</s>
<time>1349_00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,040</time>
<s>眼在外头瞎眼在里头</s>
<time>1350_00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,760</time>
<s>瘤子骑着一个马</s>
<time>1351_00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,920</time>
<s>它都是用这种东西去逗乐</s>
<time>1352_00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,720</time>
<s>这肯定是低俗的</s>
<time>1353_00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,880</time>
<s>这个现在不管是小品还是相声</s>
<time>1354_00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:18,960</time>
<s>它都慢慢把这一部分</s>
<time>1355_00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,120</time>
<s>全部都摒弃了去除了</s>
<time>1356_00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,280</time>
<s>那生活中还有</s>
<time>1357_00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,880</time>
<s>就是有些东西可能我们的经历</s>
<time>1358_00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,040</time>
<s>和年龄看着比较低级</s>
<time>1359_00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,840</time>
<s>但是年轻人不觉得</s>
<time>1360_00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,920</time>
<s>年轻人他需要的</s>
<time>1361_00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,720</time>
<s>是一个生活中简单的快乐</s>
<time>1362_00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,880</time>
<s>他的快乐来自于什么呢</s>
<time>1363_00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:37,680</time>
<s>来自于他希望减压</s>
<time>1364_00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,120</time>
<s>我们今天你看年轻人</s>
<time>1365_00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,200</time>
<s>天天说他们压力大</s>
<time>1366_00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,640</time>
<s>我们说那你跟我们</s>
<time>1367_00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,800</time>
<s>那时候的压力比得了吗</s>
<time>1368_00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,960</time>
<s>然后但是人家说的我觉得有道理</s>
<time>1369_00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,120</time>
<s>他说你们那个压力都是物质压力</s>
<time>1370_00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,560</time>
<s>我们都是精神压力</s>
<time>1371_00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:50,640</time>
<s>这更厉害</s>
<time>1372_00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,720</time>
<s>厉害了</s>
<time>1373_00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,160</time>
<s>我们当然是物质压力</s>
<time>1374_00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,240</time>
<s>吃了上顿没下顿</s>
<time>1375_00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,320</time>
<s>这是不是叫物质压力</s>
<time>1376_00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,040</time>
<s>物质压力</s>
<time>1377_00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:56,760</time>
<s>对吧你去干活儿去</s>
<time>1378_00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:57,840</time>
<s>到农村插队</s>
<time>1379_00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,280</time>
<s>你去干那重体力活儿</s>
<time>1380_00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,720</time>
<s>我说过我们年轻时候干的</s>
<time>1381_00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,800</time>
<s>那不是人干的活儿</s>
<time>1382_00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:02,880</time>
<s>是牲口干的活儿</s>
<time>1383_00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:03,960</time>
<s>那你干那个压力</s>
<time>1384_00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,840</time>
<s>但是你精神上没那么大压力</s>
<time>1385_00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,640</time>
<s>今天的精神压力来自于什么呢</s>
<time>1386_00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:09,720</time>
<s>来自于攀比</s>
<time>1387_00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,160</time>
<s>他不应该有</s>
<time>1388_00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,960</time>
<s>但是攀比告诉他有了</s>
<time>1389_00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,760</time>
<s>就是说你的工资不如人家</s>
<time>1390_00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,920</time>
<s>人家什么一天挣多少钱是吧</s>
<time>1391_00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,080</time>
<s>什么那个社会新闻爆炒的时候</s>
<time>1392_00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,600</time>
<s>谁一天上来什么多少万是吧</s>
<time>1393_00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,040</time>
<s>这些压力会给很多人</s>
<time>1394_00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,840</time>
<s>产生一个就是不该有的压力</s>
<time>1395_00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,000</time>
<s>在这种压力中他肯定谋求</s>
<time>1396_00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,800</time>
<s>一种简单的快乐</s>
<time>1397_00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:29,880</time>
<s>所以我那天看见一个</s>
<time>1398_00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:30,600</time>
<s>还有一个大学教授</s>
<time>1399_00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,760</time>
<s>就研究这个笑点的变迁</s>
<time>1400_00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:33,840</time>
<s>说最早像您那个时候</s>
<time>1401_00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,720</time>
<s>春晚上那个还有讽刺性</s>
<time>1402_00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,160</time>
<s>讽刺一些社会现象</s>
<time>1403_00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,600</time>
<s>你包括那个马季老师</s>
<time>1404_00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,040</time>
<s>那个宇宙牌香烟是吧</s>
<time>1405_00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,840</time>
<s>等等它讽刺一些社会现象</s>
<time>1406_00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,280</time>
<s>但是到后来慢慢变成</s>
<time>1407_00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,720</time>
<s>你比如说到当代的</s>
<time>1408_00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,160</time>
<s>开始自嘲自己</s>
<time>1409_00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:48,960</time>
<s>自嘲自己</s>
<time>1410_00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,840</time>
<s>实际也是对自己处境的一种</s>
<time>1411_00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:52,920</time>
<s>怎么说呢</s>
<time>1412_00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,640</time>
<s>自贬</s>
<time>1413_00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,080</time>
<s>贬低</s>
<time>1414_00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,160</time>
<s>或者获得一种</s>
<time>1415_00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:56,880</time>
<s>伤害</s>
<time>1416_00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:57,960</time>
<s>对很多脱口秀</s>
<time>1417_00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,040</time>
<s>就是从这儿开始的</s>
<time>1418_00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:59,760</time>
<s>就是从伤害开始</s>
<time>1419_00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,200</time>
<s>就是从自我贬低开始</s>
<time>1420_00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,080</time>
<s>也是消解他的生存焦虑</s>
<time>1421_00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,800</time>
<s>他的精神压力</s>
<time>1422_00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,960</time>
<s>对然后他从这里发现消解</s>
<time>1423_00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:07,680</time>
<s>自贬有两种</s>
<time>1424_00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,760</time>
<s>一种是他成心的</s>
<time>1425_00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,200</time>
<s>你比如他受过很好的教育</s>
<time>1426_00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,280</time>
<s>背景什么很好</s>
<time>1427_00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,000</time>
<s>然后他上来自贬</s>
<time>1428_00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,440</time>
<s>那很多人就很高兴</s>
<time>1429_00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,520</time>
<s>还有一种是</s>
<time>1430_00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,320</time>
<s>他不知道他自己那是一个丑</s>
<time>1431_00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,840</time>
<s>然后他出来就是展现自己那份丑</s>
<time>1432_00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,000</time>
<s>因为我觉得</s>
<time>1433_00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:21,720</time>
<s>你不是刚才说小视频吗</s>
<time>1434_00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,880</time>
<s>小视频有一个特大的好处</s>
<time>1435_00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:24,960</time>
<s>只要你有本事</s>
<time>1436_00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,480</time>
<s>这东西一定让你出来对吧</s>
<time>1437_00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,280</time>
<s>过去这人可能在山沟子里干什么</s>
<time>1438_00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,520</time>
<s>这辈子就把这人才给埋没了</s>
<time>1439_00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,680</time>
<s>那么埋没这个是两类</s>
<time>1440_00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,760</time>
<s>一类是艺术表达</s>
<time>1441_00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,560</time>
<s>不管是唱歌跳舞干什么的</s>
<time>1442_00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,360</time>
<s>还有一类是手艺的表达</s>
<time>1443_00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:40,800</time>
<s>我有时候特别爱看有些人手艺</s>
<time>1444_00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:41,880</time>
<s>比如破那个竹子</s>
<time>1445_00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:42,600</time>
<s>把那个竹子破的</s>
<time>1446_00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,680</time>
<s>跟那个头发丝似的</s>
<time>1447_00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,120</time>
<s>咱们都没见过对不对</s>
<time>1448_00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,280</time>
<s>对那也是一个本事</s>
<time>1449_00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,720</time>
<s>所以今天小视频的这个</s>
<time>1450_00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,880</time>
<s>我们可以简单地说</s>
<time>1451_00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:52,320</time>
<s>就是前面这几年</s>
<time>1452_00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,480</time>
<s>未来再有几年是个小视频时代</s>
<time>1453_00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,280</time>
<s>这个小视频时代最大的好处</s>
<time>1454_00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,800</time>
<s>就是利用人手一部的手机</s>
<time>1455_00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,600</time>
<s>让全中国人民的</s>
<time>1456_00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,400</time>
<s>有能力的人都往前</s>
<time>1457_00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:03,840</time>
<s>过去真不成</s>
<time>1458_00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,280</time>
<s>其实是把生活里</s>
<time>1459_00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,360</time>
<s>那些有意思的东西</s>
<time>1460_00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:07,440</time>
<s>让大家全看见了</s>
<time>1461_00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,600</time>
<s>就是我们拍纪录片就是这样</s>
<time>1462_00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:10,680</time>
<s>实际上就是看</s>
<time>1463_00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:11,400</time>
<s>对就是看</s>
<time>1464_00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,280</time>
<s>我们只能拍很局限的东西</s>
<time>1465_00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,440</time>
<s>但是那一到民间全有手机了</s>
<time>1466_00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,520</time>
<s>什么都有对</s>
<time>1467_00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,600</time>
<s>他所有的有意思的细节</s>
<time>1468_00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,680</time>
<s>他就全能看见了</s>
<time>1469_00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,840</time>
<s>你觉得这里有什么规律吗</s>
<time>1470_00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,560</time>
<s>有规律</s>
<time>1471_00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:23,280</time>
<s>有什么规律呢</s>
<time>1472_00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,360</time>
<s>刚才马爷说的那个</s>
<time>1473_00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,160</time>
<s>为什么那人劈竹子</s>
<time>1474_00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,240</time>
<s>就看着这么高兴</s>
<time>1475_00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,400</time>
<s>因为他是高手</s>
<time>1476_00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,920</time>
<s>那个高手其实你对他是仰视的</s>
<time>1477_00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,160</time>
<s>他跟这个笑是俯视正好相反</s>
<time>1478_00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,320</time>
<s>就是那种仰视会让你觉得特爽</s>
<time>1479_00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,400</time>
<s>就是喜欢看</s>
<time>1480_00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,200</time>
<s>你看有些那个吃面条的</s>
<time>1481_00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:43,080</time>
<s>那个</s>
<time>1482_00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,160</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1483_00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:44,880</time>
<s>真能吃啊</s>
<time>1484_00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:45,600</time>
<s>那是吃播</s>
<time>1485_00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,320</time>
<s>吃播</s>
<time>1486_00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,200</time>
<s>也是一种就是怎么说呢</s>
<time>1487_00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,280</time>
<s>我觉得也是一种</s>
<time>1488_00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,160</time>
<s>自虐他首先是自虐</s>
<time>1489_00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,320</time>
<s>然后给别人带来优越感</s>
<time>1490_00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,400</time>
<s>也是那是低姿态</s>
<time>1491_00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,480</time>
<s>然后优越感</s>
<time>1492_00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:58,920</time>
<s>不是因为现在有些</s>
<time>1493_00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,160</time>
<s>反正文化学者往往就会说</s>
<time>1494_00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,960</time>
<s>说互联网就带来这种</s>
<time>1495_00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,400</time>
<s>这个叫低智化</s>
<time>1496_00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,200</time>
<s>就觉得智力太低</s>
<time>1497_00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:07,920</time>
<s>就什么都乐</s>
<time>1498_00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,720</time>
<s>甚至就是说现在人们表达</s>
<time>1499_00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:10,800</time>
<s>你比如说发微信</s>
<time>1500_00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,960</time>
<s>你要写一个哈哈</s>
<time>1501_00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,840</time>
<s>对方会觉得你没那么</s>
<time>1502_00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,000</time>
<s>这不是真的被逗乐了</s>
<time>1503_00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,800</time>
<s>你要真表示你被逗乐了</s>
<time>1504_00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,240</time>
<s>一般都得写一串</s>
<time>1505_00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,320</time>
<s>写十几个哈哈哈</s>
<time>1506_00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,760</time>
<s>那才表示（真乐）</s>
<time>1507_00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,280</time>
<s>就是大家觉得这个强度</s>
<time>1508_00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,080</time>
<s>或者说这个笑点</s>
<time>1509_00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,960</time>
<s>这个麻木性是不是在增强</s>
<time>1510_00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:31,680</time>
<s>还是在降低</s>
<time>1511_00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,120</time>
<s>我觉得不麻木</s>
<time>1512_00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,920</time>
<s>我觉得这个笑点</s>
<time>1513_00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,360</time>
<s>就是每个人的点是不一样的</s>
<time>1514_00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,160</time>
<s>就比如陈老师这个《戏台》</s>
<time>1515_00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,240</time>
<s>这个《戏台》</s>
<time>1516_00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,760</time>
<s>就是我其实跟马爷有点像</s>
<time>1517_00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,920</time>
<s>就是看这个片子我就觉得</s>
<time>1518_00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,000</time>
<s>我看看我能不能笑</s>
<time>1519_00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,440</time>
<s>就是有这种心态</s>
<time>1520_00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,960</time>
<s>有这种我看看我能不能笑</s>
<time>1521_00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,200</time>
<s>我不怎么特别老笑就是</s>
<time>1522_00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,000</time>
<s>对我也不太容易笑</s>
<time>1523_00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:54,720</time>
<s>不太容易笑</s>
<time>1524_00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,440</time>
<s>笑点高</s>
<time>1525_00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,240</time>
<s>我是替他担心</s>
<time>1526_00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,040</time>
<s>我怕他不能让我笑</s>
<time>1527_00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,120</time>
<s>对就是有这种心态</s>
<time>1528_00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,280</time>
<s>一定有这种讨厌的观众</s>
<time>1529_00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,360</time>
<s>那我去看的时候</s>
<time>1530_00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,440</time>
<s>我在有一个点</s>
<time>1531_00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,600</time>
<s>就是笑得不行了就是</s>
<time>1532_00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,400</time>
<s>其实那个笑点就是个讽刺</s>
<time>1533_00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,280</time>
<s>一个大讽刺的点</s>
<time>1534_00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,360</time>
<s>所以刚才马爷说讽刺</s>
<time>1535_00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,160</time>
<s>我特别有感受</s>
<time>1536_00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,320</time>
<s>就是他讽刺得特别准的时候</s>
<time>1537_00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,400</time>
<s>我的笑点是最强的</s>
<time>1538_00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,200</time>
<s>就是说“七叔</s>
<time>1539_00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,080</time>
<s>他可是一外行</s>
<time>1540_00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,240</time>
<s>他是一血外行”</s>
<time>1541_00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,400</time>
<s>就是这个点我笑得不行了</s>
<time>1542_00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,560</time>
<s>（剧情）就是让一个卖包子的去唱主角</s>
<time>1543_00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,360</time>
<s>有点儿关公战秦琼那意思</s>
<time>1544_00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,520</time>
<s>这里是有悲的成分的</s>
<time>1545_00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,240</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1546_00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,400</time>
<s>这个它并不是一个搞笑的点</s>
<time>1547_00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,200</time>
<s>它为什么在下面的</s>
<time>1548_00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,720</time>
<s>我这种观众就笑得都不行了</s>
<time>1549_00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,600</time>
<s>因为我天天就跟这外行</s>
<time>1550_00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:43,680</time>
<s>就是较劲</s>
<time>1551_00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:44,400</time>
<s>有共鸣了</s>
<time>1552_00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,480</time>
<s>就是较劲</s>
<time>1553_00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,560</time>
<s>然后我巴不得</s>
<time>1554_00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,640</time>
<s>我这生活里有一七叔</s>
<time>1555_00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,520</time>
<s>七叔他可是一外行</s>
<time>1556_00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,680</time>
<s>他不能拍片子</s>
<time>1557_00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,560</time>
<s>咱这项目就得他</s>
<time>1558_00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,360</time>
<s>所以我一到那个点</s>
<time>1559_00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:58,440</time>
<s>我就笑得都不行了</s>
<time>1560_00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,240</time>
<s>我觉得就是一个巨大的讽刺</s>
<time>1561_00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,680</time>
<s>所以也是帮你泄了私愤</s>
<time>1562_00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,560</time>
<s>就是他是一个讽刺</s>
<time>1563_00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,640</time>
<s>但是实际上在台上</s>
<time>1564_00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,360</time>
<s>我们看到的是</s>
<time>1565_00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:07,800</time>
<s>演员很痛苦的一面</s>
<time>1566_00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:08,520</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1567_00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,600</time>
<s>但是他让我笑</s>
<time>1568_00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,680</time>
<s>他让我笑</s>
<time>1569_00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,560</time>
<s>所以我就特别想问一个问题</s>
<time>1570_00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,720</time>
<s>就是像这种就是讽刺的这种点</s>
<time>1571_00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,520</time>
<s>就是比如说您一定</s>
<time>1572_00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,600</time>
<s>也对外行特别有感受</s>
<time>1573_00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,400</time>
<s>您才会讽刺这事儿</s>
<time>1574_00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:21,480</time>
<s>没有</s>
<time>1575_00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,280</time>
<s>没有</s>
<time>1576_00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,720</time>
<s>设计的时候</s>
<time>1577_00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,240</time>
<s>写的时候就是为了让大家开心的</s>
<time>1578_00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,680</time>
<s>因为他痛苦</s>
<time>1579_00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,480</time>
<s>因为这个角色</s>
<time>1580_00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,560</time>
<s>痛苦得不行不行的</s>
<time>1581_00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,640</time>
<s>这个角色被外行</s>
<time>1582_00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,080</time>
<s>折磨得非常痛苦</s>
<time>1583_00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,880</time>
<s>首先一个这个人物</s>
<time>1584_00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,680</time>
<s>我们就要考虑</s>
<time>1585_00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,280</time>
<s>他首先是有残缺在里头</s>
<time>1586_00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,720</time>
<s>那人脑袋一根筋</s>
<time>1587_00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,520</time>
<s>一根筋特轴</s>
<time>1588_00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,600</time>
<s>特轴</s>
<time>1589_00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,480</time>
<s>他特轴的一人碰上这事儿</s>
<time>1590_00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,640</time>
<s>他拐不过弯来他痛苦</s>
<time>1591_00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,800</time>
<s>就观众就乐</s>
<time>1592_00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:53,520</time>
<s>您发现没有</s>
<time>1593_00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,320</time>
<s>咱们聊的是社会人生</s>
<time>1594_00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,480</time>
<s>他聊的就是技术原理</s>
<time>1595_00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,640</time>
<s>就是你知道这我想起挺有意思</s>
<time>1596_00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,240</time>
<s>我发现这个画家之间互相夸</s>
<time>1597_00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,680</time>
<s>我那天听见了一回</s>
<time>1598_00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,120</time>
<s>我觉得他太会夸了</s>
<time>1599_00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:06,840</time>
<s>就一个画家</s>
<time>1600_00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,640</time>
<s>到另一个画家的画室一看</s>
<time>1601_00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,600</time>
<s>就说我们画的那都是题材</s>
<time>1602_00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,760</time>
<s>您画的是原理</s>
<time>1603_00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,080</time>
<s>但是我觉得这个话里边很有深意</s>
<time>1604_00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,680</time>
<s>就像你比如说话写作的</s>
<time>1605_00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,760</time>
<s>你关心的是题材</s>
<time>1606_00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,560</time>
<s>你这么半天是骂我呢</s>
<time>1607_00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,720</time>
<s>不是骂你</s>
<time>1608_00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:28,800</time>
<s>是敬佩您</s>
<time>1609_00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,960</time>
<s>就是你比如说我觉得</s>
<time>1610_00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,120</time>
<s>就是其实我挺喜欢陈老师这一路</s>
<time>1611_00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,280</time>
<s>就是我觉得说什么不重要</s>
<time>1612_00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,080</time>
<s>重要的就咱们就琢磨的（是怎么说）</s>
<time>1613_00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,520</time>
<s>往往你看一个专业一个木匠</s>
<time>1614_00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,400</time>
<s>你做桌子做椅子是客户的要求</s>
<time>1615_00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,840</time>
<s>我琢磨的（是怎么做）</s>
<time>1616_00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:43,560</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1617_00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,640</time>
<s>他就这个</s>
<time>1618_00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,440</time>
<s>你比如说您说这个戏里</s>
<time>1619_00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,520</time>
<s>我就看到一个</s>
<time>1620_00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,320</time>
<s>明显就是排练排练出来的</s>
<time>1621_00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,480</time>
<s>我喜欢看到天地万物</s>
<time>1622_00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:52,560</time>
<s>有奥秘有规律</s>
<time>1623_00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,360</time>
<s>这个东西你比如说</s>
<time>1624_00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,240</time>
<s>一个挺放荡那女的</s>
<time>1625_00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,680</time>
<s>你比如说她在舞台上</s>
<time>1626_00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,480</time>
<s>就是说走了啊</s>
<time>1627_00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,360</time>
<s>走了啊</s>
<time>1628_00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:04,440</time>
<s>剧本一定是这么写的</s>
<time>1629_00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:05,880</time>
<s>但是有一个东西</s>
<time>1630_00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,680</time>
<s>一定是他们排出来的</s>
<time>1631_00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:08,760</time>
<s>就是觉得这样乐</s>
<time>1632_00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,560</time>
<s>她说走了啊</s>
<time>1633_00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:11,640</time>
<s>然后走到台口的时候</s>
<time>1634_00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:13,800</time>
<s>再来一下</s>
<time>1635_00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,600</time>
<s>那为什么再来这一下</s>
<time>1636_00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,680</time>
<s>再来这一下他就乐</s>
<time>1637_00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,480</time>
<s>乐了对</s>
<time>1638_00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,560</time>
<s>我就能领略到您说的</s>
<time>1639_00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,720</time>
<s>这就是训导观众</s>
<time>1640_00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,600</time>
<s>它又是在我们整个戏的</s>
<time>1641_00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,680</time>
<s>开场前不久</s>
<time>1642_00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,200</time>
<s>这就叫训导观众</s>
<time>1643_00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,280</time>
<s>让他习惯</s>
<time>1644_00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,080</time>
<s>知道在哪个韵律里头</s>
<time>1645_00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,160</time>
<s>这儿到这儿</s>
<time>1646_00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,760</time>
<s>一个节奏踩上点儿了</s>
<time>1647_00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:36,840</time>
<s>踩上点儿了</s>
<time>1648_00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,280</time>
<s>你得让他踩这个点儿</s>
<time>1649_00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,720</time>
<s>让他熟悉这个点儿</s>
<time>1650_00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,600</time>
<s>相声也是这么回事</s>
<time>1651_00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,680</time>
<s>一模一样</s>
<time>1652_00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,120</time>
<s>一样节奏特重要</s>
<time>1653_00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,280</time>
<s>观众被带进去</s>
<time>1654_00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,080</time>
<s>被这个节奏带进去</s>
<time>1655_00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,880</time>
<s>他并不知道他踩中这点儿了</s>
<time>1656_00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,680</time>
<s>这个节奏的掌握</s>
<time>1657_00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:53,760</time>
<s>是一个很困难的事情</s>
<time>1658_00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,640</time>
<s>他得有丰富的舞台经验</s>
<time>1659_00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,080</time>
<s>万一错半步的时候</s>
<time>1660_00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,880</time>
<s>他知道怎么去调整把他拽回来</s>
<time>1661_00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,320</time>
<s>他们心里都很清楚</s>
<time>1662_00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,840</time>
<s>你不上台的人是绝对不知道的</s>
<time>1663_00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,920</time>
<s>你按照本子</s>
<time>1664_00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,000</time>
<s>你比如说同样一个相声</s>
<time>1665_00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,720</time>
<s>本子是一样的</s>
<time>1666_00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,880</time>
<s>俩人上去说完全地不一样</s>
<time>1667_00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,040</time>
<s>所以对陈老师这儿来说</s>
<time>1668_00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,840</time>
<s>不存在什么是带泪的笑</s>
<time>1669_00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:13,920</time>
<s>是高级低级</s>
<time>1670_00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,000</time>
<s>他不是考虑这个问题</s>
<time>1671_00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,080</time>
<s>不考虑</s>
<time>1672_00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:16,800</time>
<s>他是觉得搞笑的东西</s>
<time>1673_00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,960</time>
<s>里边有个规律</s>
<time>1674_00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,040</time>
<s>规律性的东西</s>
<time>1675_00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,840</time>
<s>你只要速着这个</s>
<time>1676_00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:22,920</time>
<s>我们生活中</s>
<time>1677_00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,000</time>
<s>人人要是掌握了这个规律</s>
<time>1678_00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:25,080</time>
<s>也能让人乐</s>
<time>1679_00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,400</time>
<s>为什么你比如说</s>
<time>1680_00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,560</time>
<s>我觉得有时候有这种现象</s>
<time>1681_00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,000</time>
<s>一个周星驰是天才</s>
<time>1682_00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,800</time>
<s>但是后起的</s>
<time>1683_00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,680</time>
<s>当这个“无厘头”蔚然成风之后</s>
<time>1684_00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640</time>
<s>怎么就会看到很多这个越闹越烂</s>
<time>1685_00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,720</time>
<s>因为它容易</s>
<time>1686_00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,600</time>
<s>它容易这么做</s>
<time>1687_00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,440</time>
<s>它不按照剧本的情节去走</s>
<time>1688_00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,960</time>
<s>它不在情节里去生花</s>
<time>1689_00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,560</time>
<s>而是在节外生枝地去生花</s>
<time>1690_00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:59,640</time>
<s>它容易</s>
<time>1691_00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,760</time>
<s>它更能够使更多的人</s>
<time>1692_00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,560</time>
<s>吃上喜剧这碗饭</s>
<time>1693_00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,440</time>
<s>不客气地说</s>
<time>1694_00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,880</time>
<s>它门槛儿放低</s>
<time>1695_00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,480</time>
<s>于是就一大批人</s>
<time>1696_00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,640</time>
<s>能够迅速地就涌进来</s>
<time>1697_00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,600</time>
<s>就是我们拍的时候有一个感受</s>
<time>1698_00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,760</time>
<s>就是来了好多学员</s>
<time>1699_00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:24,840</time>
<s>但这些学员</s>
<time>1700_00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,640</time>
<s>其实就是来自方方面面的</s>
<time>1701_00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,520</time>
<s>其实这些学员是特痛苦的</s>
<time>1702_00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,680</time>
<s>并不是一个喜剧班的学员</s>
<time>1703_00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,480</time>
<s>每天这个喜剧班就特快乐</s>
<time>1704_00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,560</time>
<s>根本不是</s>
<time>1705_00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,360</time>
<s>就他们特别痛苦哭</s>
<time>1706_00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:37,800</time>
<s>借酒浇愁</s>
<time>1707_00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,960</time>
<s>没法排解</s>
<time>1708_00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,120</time>
<s>为什么就是因为他演不出来</s>
<time>1709_00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,920</time>
<s>他不知道这节奏是什么</s>
<time>1710_00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,360</time>
<s>然后我们拍了一个对话</s>
<time>1711_00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:47,160</time>
<s>就是一个女的学员</s>
<time>1712_00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:48,960</time>
<s>她就跟陈老师有一对话</s>
<time>1713_00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,120</time>
<s>在大门口有一对话</s>
<time>1714_00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,920</time>
<s>从始至终在哭</s>
<time>1715_00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,000</time>
<s>哭什么呢</s>
<time>1716_00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,240</time>
<s>就是哭我不明白为什么要这么演</s>
<time>1717_00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,760</time>
<s>我不明白为什么节奏是这个</s>
<time>1718_00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,920</time>
<s>我老也跟不上</s>
<time>1719_00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,000</time>
<s>然后所有人都在否定我</s>
<time>1720_00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,080</time>
<s>我不知道这是怎么回事</s>
<time>1721_00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,960</time>
<s>然后陈老师就特别淡地</s>
<time>1722_00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,760</time>
<s>跟她说了一句说</s>
<time>1723_00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,920</time>
<s>你这阶段你也不需要明白</s>
<time>1724_00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,720</time>
<s>因为这个戏戏保人</s>
