<time>868_00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,280</time>
<s>市民气息</s>
<time>869_00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,360</time>
<s>这就是市民气息</s>
<time>870_00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,520</time>
<s>魔都曾经有这么一个词</s>
<time>871_00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,600</time>
<s>这个在八十年代</s>
<time>872_00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,320</time>
<s>不是上海</s>
<time>873_00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,760</time>
<s>所有的南方城市都是这样</s>
<time>874_00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,560</time>
<s>就是屋边上</s>
<time>875_00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,360</time>
<s>那就是一眼望不到头全部是人</s>
<time>876_00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,440</time>
<s>都是占地方是不是</s>
<time>877_00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,880</time>
<s>对没有空调</s>
<time>878_00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,680</time>
<s>一个凉席一个大蒲扇</s>
<time>879_00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,840</time>
<s>全家人然后一家老小</s>
<time>880_00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:10,560</time>
<s>怎么要面子。</s>
<time>881_00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,640</time>
<s>鲁迅早讲过了</s>
<time>882_00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,440</time>
<s>就是晚上睡觉的时候</s>
<time>883_00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,600</time>
<s>把买来的高级裤子折好</s>
<time>884_00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,760</time>
<s>放在枕头下面压一压</s>
<time>885_00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,640</time>
<s>到第二天早上还有一条缝</s>
<time>886_00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,440</time>
<s>枕头成熨斗了</s>
<time>887_00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,160</time>
<s>有裤线</s>
<time>888_00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,600</time>
<s>真是可岭</s>
<time>889_00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,760</time>
<s>所以体面这个问题</s>
<time>890_00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,920</time>
<s>是从下到上都有</s>
<time>891_00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,360</time>
<s>就是最穷的人也是</s>
<time>892_00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,440</time>
<s>我刚才就说</s>
<time>893_00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,520</time>
<s>那人他说话这个</s>
<time>894_00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,680</time>
<s>他吃完饭他跟你说话也不一样</s>
<time>895_00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,480</time>
<s>你比如说那时候我们吃饭都是</s>
<time>896_00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,560</time>
<s>到食堂去打饭</s>
<time>897_00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,360</time>
<s>打饭有钱的人买个荤菜</s>
<time>898_00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,800</time>
<s>没钱的人买个素菜是吧</s>
<time>899_00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,240</time>
<s>荤菜两毛钱素菜一毛钱</s>
<time>900_00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,760</time>
<s>然后你问他中午吃的是什么</s>
<time>901_00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,200</time>
<s>他一定不说他吃一荤菜</s>
<time>902_00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:46,920</time>
<s>他说他告诉你</s>
<time>903_00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,640</time>
<s>他一定这么说</s>
<time>904_00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,720</time>
<s>我中午吃的是肉</s>
<time>905_00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,960</time>
<s>就他老往高里的</s>
<time>906_00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,040</time>
<s>后来我就发现他这个人</s>
<time>907_00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,760</time>
<s>他就是要</s>
<time>908_00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,560</time>
<s>他不是虚荣</s>
<time>909_00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,280</time>
<s>他就是要讲</s>
<time>910_00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,360</time>
<s>他觉得这么特体面</s>
<time>911_00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,160</time>
<s>我们说吃一荤菜</s>
<time>912_00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,600</time>
<s>因为我们过去荤菜</s>
<time>913_00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,040</time>
<s>跟今天的概念是不一样的</s>
<time>914_00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,480</time>
<s>比如肉炒豆角</s>
<time>915_00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,560</time>
<s>这算荤菜</s>
<time>916_00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,000</time>
<s>是有肉就算荤</s>
<time>917_00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,440</time>
<s>对现在人认为</s>
<time>918_00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,520</time>
<s>荤的那就是大鱼大肉</s>
<time>919_00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,320</time>
<s>烧肘子得全是荤的</s>
<time>920_00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,120</time>
<s>所以他在荤菜中</s>
<time>921_00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,560</time>
<s>他不是说我吃一荤菜</s>
<time>922_00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,000</time>
<s>他只是说我吃一肉</s>
<time>923_00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,800</time>
<s>其实肉在他这个菜里的比重</s>
<time>924_00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,880</time>
<s>并没那么大</s>
<time>925_00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,320</time>
<s>他要突出去讲这件事</s>
<time>926_00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,760</time>
<s>谁都有谁的体面</s>
<time>927_00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,360</time>
<s>有一种可以形容成虚荣</s>
<time>928_00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,440</time>
<s>就是他有一点点虚荣</s>
<time>929_00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,880</time>
<s>他是不是如果说得大一点</s>
<time>930_00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,680</time>
<s>有点像我们说的礼</s>
<time>931_00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,840</time>
<s>就是礼的本质不是礼貌</s>
<time>932_00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,280</time>
<s>就什么你处于什么位置的人</s>
<time>933_00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,080</time>
<s>该对应的做什么事儿</s>
<time>934_00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,240</time>
<s>穿戴说话</s>
<time>935_00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,320</time>
<s>行为举止</s>
<time>936_00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,400</time>
<s>你符合你的身份</s>
<time>937_00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,920</time>
<s>就是礼就是体面</s>
<time>938_00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,720</time>
<s>这个本来是社会上</s>
<time>939_00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,520</time>
<s>都排得很准的</s>
<time>940_00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,680</time>
<s>考验就是你一个文化人</s>
<time>941_00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,280</time>
<s>可是现在突然有了一个诱惑</s>
<time>942_00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,440</time>
<s>比如说研究生学历的</s>
<time>943_00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,320</time>
<s>去卖网红鸡爪</s>
<time>944_00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,760</time>
<s>这大家都看过吧</s>
<time>945_00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:57,840</time>
<s>太正常了</s>
<time>946_00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,360</time>
<s>中国香港的很多这个写专栏的</s>
<time>947_00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,080</time>
<s>这个文人</s>
<time>948_00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,040</time>
<s>我认识好几个家里开牛肉面店的</s>
<time>949_00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,120</time>
<s>他们就讲中国香港</s>
<time>950_00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,920</time>
<s>要不说最近这个疫情</s>
<time>951_00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,440</time>
<s>影响好多演员也都失业了</s>
<time>952_00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,320</time>
<s>那有的演员就去送外卖了</s>
<time>953_00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,480</time>
<s>有的演员就去扛大包了</s>
<time>954_00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,360</time>
<s>我看到一个谁就做保安了</s>
<time>955_00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,440</time>
<s>好像一个港姐</s>
<time>956_00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,600</time>
<s>港姐的第几名的一个</s>
<time>957_00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,680</time>
<s>就去做保安了</s>
<time>958_00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,480</time>
<s>就被人拍了变成新闻了</s>
<time>959_00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,560</time>
<s>你觉得这个是不是</s>
<time>960_00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,720</time>
<s>在中国香港市民当中好像接受起来</s>
<time>961_00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,600</time>
<s>就觉得挺自然就好像</s>
<time>962_00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,400</time>
<s>它之所以成为新闻</s>
<time>963_00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,200</time>
<s>也是因为她突破了她对应的事儿</s>
<time>964_00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:34,920</time>
<s>有点不自然</s>
<time>965_00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,360</time>
<s>但是你前面讲得对</s>
<time>966_00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,160</time>
<s>就中国香港一般的文化人</s>
<time>967_00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,760</time>
<s>没有那么传统中国这个文人的</s>
<time>968_00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,200</time>
<s>那种优越感</s>
<time>969_00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080</time>
<s>因为它是一个码头</s>
<time>970_00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,520</time>
<s>各方面来的人</s>
<time>971_00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,960</time>
<s>你原来地方地位很高</s>
<time>972_00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,400</time>
<s>跑到这里你要谋生</s>
<time>973_00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640</time>
<s>你还是要开烧腊店对不对</s>
<time>974_00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,160</time>
<s>所以一般文化人在中国香港</s>
<time>975_00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,240</time>
<s>我们以前都说过</s>
<time>976_00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,120</time>
<s>中国香港的文化人是扮俗</s>
<time>977_00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,360</time>
<s>就是他会讲得比较俗</s>
<time>978_00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,160</time>
<s>内地的文化人是扮雅</s>
<time>979_00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,040</time>
<s>比方说同样一个记者采访</s>
<time>980_00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,840</time>
<s>你请内地的一个作家来说</s>
<time>981_00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360</time>
<s>你最近在思考什么问题</s>
<time>982_00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,440</time>
<s>他通常就会</s>
<time>983_00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,680</time>
<s>这个阿富汗最近的局势</s>
<time>984_00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,480</time>
<s>或者是中国的现在</s>
<time>985_00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,640</time>
<s>这个什么明星的什么走向</s>
<time>986_00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,360</time>
<s>皱起眉头</s>
<time>987_00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,520</time>
<s>人文精神对不对</s>
<time>988_00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680</time>
<s>中国香港的作家你要是来采访他</s>
<time>989_00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,200</time>
<s>怎么挣钱对不对</s>
<time>990_00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,640</time>
<s>我在哪里</s>
<time>991_00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,160</time>
<s>他要显得比较俗对不对</s>
<time>992_00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,400</time>
<s>显得你周星驰你去问他采访</s>
<time>993_00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,640</time>
<s>他才不会给你讲我艺术长久</s>
<time>994_00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,360</time>
<s>将来什么生命</s>
<time>995_00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,440</time>
<s>他不会这个</s>
<time>996_00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,520</time>
<s>那这是一个分别</s>
<time>997_00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,960</time>
<s>但即便是这样</s>
<time>998_00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,560</time>
<s>现在你一个选美小姐出来以后</s>
<time>999_00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,720</time>
<s>去做保安还是被人家报道</s>
<time>1000_00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,600</time>
<s>就是打破了社会结构的冲击太大</s>
<time>1001_00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,400</time>
<s>那马爷</s>
<time>1002_00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560</time>
<s>你觉得这叫不叫不体面</s>
<time>1003_00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,440</time>
<s>那对于她个人来讲</s>
<time>1004_00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,240</time>
<s>我觉得她肯定是要突破</s>
<time>1005_00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,760</time>
<s>传统体面这个观念的</s>
<time>1006_00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,560</time>
<s>但是我觉得从社会整体上讲</s>
<time>1007_00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,000</time>
<s>就是一个简单的道理</s>
<time>1008_00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,080</time>
<s>叫适者生存</s>
<time>1009_00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,960</time>
<s>你所谓体面不体面</s>
<time>1010_00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,400</time>
<s>其实我们今天社会</s>
<time>1011_00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,560</time>
<s>是因为相对比较稳定</s>
<time>1012_00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,000</time>
<s>你来讨论这个问题</s>
<time>1013_00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,440</time>
<s>在中国历史上</s>
<time>1014_00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,880</time>
<s>明清之间</s>
<time>1015_00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,320</time>
<s>清朝到民国之间</s>
<time>1016_00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,480</time>
<s>民国和新中国建立之间</s>
<time>1017_00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,200</time>
<s>这时候有很多人</s>
<time>1018_00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,000</time>
<s>他社会地位都发生巨大的变化</s>
<time>1019_00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,440</time>
<s>他要重新去谋生的时候</s>
<time>1020_00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,880</time>
<s>这个事儿都放下了</s>
<time>1021_00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,320</time>
<s>你不放下不行的</s>
<time>1022_00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,840</time>
<s>社会不给你其他机会</s>
<time>1023_00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:31,920</time>
<s>那你的体面已经变得</s>
<time>1024_00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,000</time>
<s>非常不重要了</s>
<time>1025_00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,440</time>
<s>因为我在体面</s>
<time>1026_00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,240</time>
<s>我认为体面在生存面前</s>
<time>1027_00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,320</time>
<s>没那么重要</s>
<time>1028_00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,040</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1029_00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,480</time>
<s>就是你为了活下去</s>
<time>1030_00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,640</time>
<s>你可能什么事儿都要去做</s>
<time>1031_00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,360</time>
<s>只要你不违法</s>
<time>1032_00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,520</time>
<s>我们前提说不违法</s>
<time>1033_00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,240</time>
<s>不杀人越货</s>
<time>1034_00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,200</time>
<s>但是对于一个平稳的社会</s>
<time>1035_00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,280</time>
<s>我们社会现在相对来说</s>
<time>1036_00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,000</time>
<s>都比较平稳</s>
<time>1037_00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,440</time>
<s>没有大的动荡</s>
<time>1038_00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,520</time>
<s>那你改变你自己的</s>
<time>1039_00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040</time>
<s>就是过去固有的这种形象</s>
<time>1040_00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,480</time>
<s>尤其是文人形象</s>
<time>1041_00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,000</time>
<s>或者是被文人塑造出来的形象</s>
<time>1042_00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,440</time>
<s>比如什么小姐</s>
<time>1043_00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,160</time>
<s>这个什么小姐</s>
<time>1044_00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:02,880</time>
<s>选美小姐</s>
<time>1045_00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,320</time>
<s>选美小姐说清楚</s>
<time>1046_00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,400</time>
<s>就讲文人</s>
<time>1047_00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,920</time>
<s>文人塑造出来的一种文化形象</s>
<time>1048_00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,080</time>
<s>叫选美小姐是吧</s>
<time>1049_00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,680</time>
<s>佳丽</s>
<time>1050_00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,760</time>
<s>佳丽当保安了是吗</s>
<time>1051_00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,200</time>
<s>所以就抓人眼球</s>
<time>1052_00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,640</time>
<s>佳丽当保安了</s>
<time>1053_00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520</time>
<s>当保安现在还有一个问题</s>
<time>1054_00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,960</time>
<s>是我们根本不清楚的</s>
<time>1055_00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,760</time>
<s>也许这个佳丽当保安</s>
<time>1056_00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,560</time>
<s>是人家饭店的一个喙头</s>
<time>1057_00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,720</time>
<s>人家拿她做广告你都不知道</s>
<time>1058_00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,160</time>
<s>那叫饭店的体面</s>
<time>1059_00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,240</time>
<s>对一</s>
<time>1060_00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,680</time>
<s>饭店就体面了嘛</s>
<time>1061_00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:32,400</time>
<s>它体面了嘛</s>
<time>1062_00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,840</time>
<s>小姐也获得了高收入</s>
<time>1063_00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:34,560</time>
<s>就是她为什么去</s>
<time>1064_00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,000</time>
<s>她一定是收入比常人高的</s>
<time>1065_00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:36,720</time>
<s>这个可以判断出来</s>
<time>1066_00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,240</time>
<s>体面不体面这事儿串向品</s>
<time>1067_00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,680</time>
<s>说到最后是个社会共识</s>
<time>1068_00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,760</time>
<s>我们社会怎么认为</s>
<time>1069_00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,560</time>
<s>这个事儿它是不是体面</s>
<time>1070_00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,000</time>
<s>我们现在就是前所未有地</s>
<time>1071_00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,800</time>
<s>受到那么多不同观念</s>
<time>1072_00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,600</time>
<s>不同潮流在冲击</s>
<time>1073_00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,680</time>
<s>你比如说那个安迪·沃霍尔</s>
<time>1074_00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,480</time>
<s>A为什么那个可口可乐圆果派</s>
<time>1075_00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,920</time>
<s>A画那么多就是作品呢圆果派</s>
<time>1076_00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,800</time>
<s>他就是说你不管是很有钱的人圆果派</s>
<time>1077_00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,880</time>
<s>还是最没钱的人圆桌派</s>
<time>1078_00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,680</time>
<s>A你们媽到的可日可乐是一样的圆某派</s>
<time>1079_00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,480</time>
<s>你不可能买到一个更贵的可乐</s>
<time>1080_00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,280</time>
<s>或者更便宜的可乐</s>
<time>1081_00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,000</time>
<s>它就是一样</s>
<time>1082_00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,440</time>
<s>颠覆文化秩序</s>
<time>1083_00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,240</time>
<s>颠覆这些东西价值观</s>
<time>1084_00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,680</time>
<s>那我们现在就是这样</s>
<time>1085_00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,920</time>
<s>就是你说你一个什么你文化符号</s>
<time>1086_00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,080</time>
<s>社会形象什么的这些</s>
<time>1087_00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,160</time>
<s>遭到了颠覆</s>
<time>1088_00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,240</time>
<s>就是说那你最后的</s>
<time>1089_00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,400</time>
<s>你的生存能力是什么样子</s>
<time>1090_00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,840</time>
<s>而且刚才我说</s>
<time>1091_00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,720</time>
<s>就是我们成为流芳百世的机会</s>
<time>1092_00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,160</time>
<s>几率是不是越来越小了</s>
<time>1093_00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,040</time>
<s>我们越来越看到这个潮流时代</s>
<time>1094_00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,120</time>
<s>不停地洗刷</s>
<time>1095_00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,280</time>
<s>那我们能成为什么经典</s>
<time>1096_00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,800</time>
<s>这个概率越来越小</s>
<time>1097_00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,960</time>
<s>那是不是我们就应该在这一世</s>
<time>1098_00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,400</time>
<s>接受很多不同的</s>
<time>1099_00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,840</time>
<s>有个经典就是</s>
<time>1100_00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,000</time>
<s>写中国传统的士</s>
<time>1101_00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:40,440</time>
<s>这个阶层</s>
<time>1102_00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,040</time>
<s>在社会变化当中的地位的降落</s>
<time>1103_00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920</time>
<s>和他的脸面不肯放弃</s>
<time>1104_00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,000</time>
<s>那就是孔乙己</s>
<time>1105_00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,960</time>
<s>鲁迅就活化出这么一个</s>
<time>1106_00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,400</time>
<s>那就是考试</s>
<time>1107_00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,560</time>
<s>本来应该是考科举的人</s>
<time>1108_00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,800</time>
<s>到了腿都打瘤了</s>
<time>1109_00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,600</time>
<s>酒钱都欠着对不对</s>
<time>1110_00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,400</time>
<s>还要说回字有多少种写法</s>
<time>1111_00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,200</time>
<s>回字四种写法</s>
<time>1112_00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,440</time>
<s>这个当代很多这样的人孔乙已</s>
<time>1113_00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,240</time>
<s>但是我觉得现在你要用历史</s>
<time>1114_00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,680</time>
<s>之同情的眼光看起来</s>
<time>1115_00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,120</time>
<s>孔乙己也有值得同情之处</s>
<time>1116_00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,200</time>
<s>当然</s>
<time>1117_00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:13,920</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>1118_00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,440</time>
<s>也有“风骨“</s>
<time>1119_00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,880</time>
<s>当然同情</s>
<time>1120_00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,320</time>
<s>那个小孩的角度</s>
<time>1121_00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,120</time>
<s>其实也是让我们同情</s>
<time>1122_00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,200</time>
<s>你知道他已经穷到</s>
<time>1123_00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,640</time>
<s>连喝杯酒都喝不起</s>
<time>1124_00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,160</time>
<s>他还回字四种写法</s>
<time>1125_00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,600</time>
<s>他有文化优越</s>
<time>1126_00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,040</time>
<s>那我觉得这种人很好</s>
<time>1127_00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,120</time>
<s>这种人活着</s>
<time>1128_00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,640</time>
<s>他有一个强大的精神支柱</s>
<time>1129_00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,080</time>
<s>所以他就安贫乐道</s>
<time>1130_00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,160</time>
<s>就是我这么穷我认了</s>
<time>1131_00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,240</time>
<s>但是我精神上比你</s>
<time>1132_00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,680</time>
<s>起码我认为我比你丰富</s>
<time>1133_00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,760</time>
<s>这是颜回</s>
<time>1134_00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,280</time>
<s>对吧一第食一瓢饮</s>
<time>1135_00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,080</time>
<s>回也不改其乐</s>
<time>1136_00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,240</time>
<s>所以回字几种写法</s>
<time>1137_00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:45,960</time>
<s>孔乙己</s>
<time>1138_00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:46,680</time>
<s>从儿这来的</s>
<time>1139_00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,200</time>
<s>孔乙已跟颜回也能搭上关系</s>
<time>1140_00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,360</time>
<s>但是你说它有一个问题</s>
<time>1141_00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,320</time>
<s>比如说研究生去卖鸡爪</s>
<time>1142_00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,200</time>
<s>咱也听说什么原来甚至大学教授</s>
<time>1143_00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,640</time>
<s>可以去卖茶叶蛋</s>
<time>1144_00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,720</time>
<s>他要卖成了</s>
<time>1145_00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,520</time>
<s>大家又觉得企业明星</s>
<time>1146_00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:03,960</time>
<s>我要说的正是这个意思</s>
<time>1147_00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,120</time>
<s>就是说如果他火了</s>
<time>1148_00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,280</time>
<s>他变成了一个“鸡爪大王”</s>
<time>1149_00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,720</time>
<s>他变成了一个鸡爪</s>
<time>1150_00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,160</time>
<s>托拉斯的一个总经理</s>
<time>1151_00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,320</time>
<s>他变成了首富</s>
<time>1152_00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,400</time>
<s>那大家佩服他</s>
<time>1153_00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,120</time>
<s>体面了吧对</s>
<time>1154_00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,200</time>
<s>这个教授体面了吗</s>
<time>1155_00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,280</time>
<s>体面了</s>
<time>1156_00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,360</time>
<s>这个教授体面了吗</s>
<time>1157_00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:19,440</time>
<s>转型体面了</s>
<time>1158_00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,960</time>
<s>或者就说获得了新的尊重</s>
<time>1159_00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,480</time>
<s>我们现在这个认为只要你成功了</s>
<time>1160_00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,920</time>
<s>就所谓你有钱了</s>
<time>1161_00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,640</time>
<s>那你就是体面了</s>
<time>1162_00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,440</time>
<s>你比如说那北大的毕业生</s>
<time>1163_00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,520</time>
<s>卖猪肉那个事儿</s>
<time>1164_00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,680</time>
<s>前些年闹得多热闹对</s>
<time>1165_00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,480</time>
<s>那叫陆步轩吧叫什么</s>
<time>1166_00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,560</time>
<s>我记得名字是吧</s>
<time>1167_00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,360</time>
<s>后来我看过他一段采访</s>
<time>1168_00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,160</time>
<s>就有人说他赚了多少个亿</s>
<time>1169_00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,320</time>
<s>他就说猪肉有那么暴利吗</s>
<time>1170_00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,760</time>
<s>猪肉没那么暴利</s>
<time>1171_00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,200</time>
<s>猪肉是一个大家都看得见的</s>
<time>1172_00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,280</time>
<s>利润是很低的</s>
<time>1173_00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,720</time>
<s>他是通过他的</s>
<time>1174_00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:46,440</time>
<s>其实高等教育</s>
<time>1175_00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,880</time>
<s>对他来说还是有好处</s>
<time>1176_00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,320</time>
<s>他的思维方法跟人不一样</s>
<time>1177_00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,400</time>
<s>同样一个猪</s>
<time>1178_00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,200</time>
<s>就是咱俩一人拿半片</s>
<time>1179_00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,280</time>
<s>我卖得就比你多</s>
<time>1180_00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,080</time>
<s>因为我知道从计算上</s>
<time>1181_00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,880</time>
<s>怎么能把它计算得更为合理</s>
<time>1182_00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,320</time>
<s>其实就多了那一点儿</s>
<time>1183_00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,480</time>
<s>导致他就比别人就发了财</s>
<time>1184_00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,640</time>
<s>那社会又重新对他有认知</s>
<time>1185_00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,440</time>
<s>一开始对他认知非常负面</s>
<time>1186_00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,240</time>
<s>当他成功以后</s>
<time>1187_00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,400</time>
<s>对他的这个认知就正面了</s>
<time>1188_00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,480</time>
<s>你像那个罗永浩</s>
<time>1189_00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,920</time>
<s>最典型的这个例子</s>
<time>1190_00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,360</time>
<s>因为他开始做手机</s>
<time>1191_00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,240</time>
<s>就最初也是就是知识分子</s>
<time>1192_00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,760</time>
<s>然后做手机他欠了债以后</s>
<time>1193_00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,560</time>
<s>不是就去那个直播带货</s>
<time>1194_00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,360</time>
<s>刚开始做第一场的时候</s>
<time>1195_00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,160</time>
<s>大家大量人去看是一种人设</s>
<time>1196_00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,320</time>
<s>觉得有点儿同情他</s>
<time>1197_00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,480</time>
<s>觉得你怎么也去直播带货了</s>
<time>1198_00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,640</time>
<s>结果人家做得特别好</s>
<time>1199_00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,440</time>
<s>那由于有了一个新的形象</s>
<time>1200_00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,240</time>
<s>大家觉得做得好</s>
<time>1201_00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,320</time>
<s>非常成功</s>
<time>1202_00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,040</time>
<s>没什么丢人的</s>
<time>1203_00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,840</time>
<s>但是我看至少人家罗永浩</s>
<time>1204_00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,920</time>
<s>人家对外说的</s>
<time>1205_00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,080</time>
<s>也算是回（颜回）也不改其志</s>
<time>1206_00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,240</time>
<s>人家说的是我这是为了还债</s>
<time>1207_00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,400</time>
<s>对我还完了债</s>
<time>1208_00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,480</time>
<s>我还是要搞我原来的</s>
<time>1209_00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,280</time>
<s>他不是喜欢弄电子产品</s>
<time>1210_00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,360</time>
<s>我不知道</s>
<time>1211_00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,520</time>
<s>那意思就是说我还</s>
<time>1212_00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,600</time>
<s>我这是还债</s>
<time>1213_00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,040</time>
<s>我不得不如此</s>
<time>1214_00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:54,480</time>
<s>但是我还完了债</s>
<time>1215_00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,920</time>
<s>我原来的志向</s>
<time>1216_00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,640</time>
<s>该干什么</s>
<time>1217_00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,080</time>
<s>我还回到我原来的</s>
<time>1218_00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,960</time>
<s>我本来是一个山上道士</s>
<time>1219_00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:01,680</time>
<s>武功绝强</s>
<time>1220_00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:02,400</time>
<s>现在我欠了债</s>
<time>1221_00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,480</time>
<s>我在这儿援地摊</s>
<time>1222_00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,200</time>
<s>要个把式</s>
<time>1223_00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,360</time>
<s>然后我还完账以后我还回山上去</s>
<time>1224_00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,440</time>
<s>那咱看看</s>
<time>1225_00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,600</time>
<s>底线最不体面的</s>
<time>1226_00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,760</time>
<s>是妈妈生病了没钱治</s>
<time>1227_00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,920</time>
<s>这是最不体面的</s>
<time>1228_00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,520</time>
<s>所以为了这个目的对不对</s>
<time>1229_00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,760</time>
<s>这个有些就是不同层的人</s>
<time>1230_00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,920</time>
<s>你能看出标准确实是不一样</s>
<time>1231_00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,000</time>
<s>比如说不是还有一个</s>
<time>1232_00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,160</time>
<s>讲古诗词的教授吗</s>
<time>1233_00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,040</time>
<s>其实就是在网上讲得多了</s>
<time>1234_00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,480</time>
<s>你看有的时候</s>
<time>1235_00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,920</time>
<s>有些时候在某些圈子里</s>
<time>1236_00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,360</time>
<s>这个标准可以严格到</s>
<time>1237_00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,520</time>
<s>你出现太多了</s>
<time>1238_00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,600</time>
<s>你曝光太多了</s>
<time>1239_00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,680</time>
<s>你在网上到处去讲</s>
<time>1240_00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,200</time>
<s>你这个都有点儿低端</s>
<time>1241_00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,280</time>
<s>就被认为是吧</s>
<time>1242_00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,440</time>
<s>那不体面但是这个教授</s>
<time>1243_00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,600</time>
<s>最后我发现一番表白</s>
<time>1244_00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,680</time>
<s>也是实情</s>
<time>1245_00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,560</time>
<s>我觉得为他挽回了一个体面</s>
<time>1246_00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,720</time>
<s>他说我的太太身患绝症</s>
<time>1247_00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,600</time>
<s>那个药贵得</s>
<time>1248_00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,040</time>
<s>可能这个一粒</s>
<time>1249_00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,200</time>
<s>可能得一千七百块钱</s>
<time>1250_00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,280</time>
<s>一个月吃多少</s>
<time>1251_00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,360</time>
<s>我知道你说谁了</s>
<time>1252_00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,880</time>
<s>对吧他就是说我得挣钱</s>
<time>1253_00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,320</time>
<s>我得挣钱给我太太</s>
<time>1254_00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,760</time>
<s>买这个这么贵的药</s>
<time>1255_00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:06,840</time>
<s>你看</s>
<time>1256_00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,720</time>
<s>马爷刚才分析了</s>
<time>1257_00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,520</time>
<s>这种道歉其实还是</s>
<time>1258_00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,400</time>
<s>在还这个做生意的原罪</s>
<time>1259_00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,560</time>
<s>就是任何人</s>
<time>1260_00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,440</time>
<s>你赚了钱就好像是欠了债一样</s>
<time>1261_00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,520</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1262_00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,600</time>
<s>这个里面是不是</s>
<time>1263_00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,760</time>
<s>有点儿值得讨论的东西</s>
<time>1264_00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:24,480</time>
<s>我的意思</s>
<time>1265_00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,640</time>
<s>他这个就是文化</s>
<time>1266_00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,800</time>
<s>传统文化中跟当今商业文化中的</s>
<time>1267_00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,600</time>
<s>一个严重碰撞</s>
<time>1268_00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,680</time>
<s>因为大家认为</s>
<time>1269_00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,840</time>
<s>你是一个讲唐诗的教授</s>
<time>1270_00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,000</time>
<s>然后你利用讲唐诗火了以后</s>
<time>1271_00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,440</time>
<s>然后你把它变现</s>
<time>1272_00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,600</time>
<s>那大家就不太接受这事儿</s>
<time>1273_00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,400</time>
<s>那么他出来只有一个办法</s>
<time>1274_00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,560</time>
<s>就是来挽回自己的影响是什么呢</s>
<time>1275_00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,080</time>
<s>就是我被迫把我心里的话跟你说</s>
<time>1276_00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,680</time>
<s>来告诉你我为什么要赚这个钱</s>
<time>1277_00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,840</time>
<s>那如果说我有一个极好的收入</s>
<time>1278_00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,560</time>
<s>她得了癌症</s>
<time>1279_00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,000</time>
<s>我根本不需要考虑这个钱</s>
<time>1280_00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,440</time>
<s>那我肯定不会去做这个事儿</s>
<time>1281_00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,240</time>
<s>那我觉得是可以的</s>
<time>1282_00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:57,960</time>
<s>你看这篇文章</s>
<time>1283_00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,760</time>
<s>它讲我这逻辑不就是吗</s>
<time>1284_00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,360</time>
<s>感觉非得是我母亲有了病</s>
<time>1285_00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,240</time>
<s>我的这个什么广告都接</s>
<time>1286_00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:06,960</time>
<s>虽然没有</s>
<time>1287_00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,120</time>
<s>都变得似乎是可以理解</s>
<time>1288_00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,200</time>
<s>它替你卖惨</s>
<time>1289_00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,720</time>
<s>他替我赢得了体面</s>
<time>1290_00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,520</time>
<s>他说他为什么接了广告呢</s>
<time>1291_00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,600</time>
<s>原来不想接的呢</s>
<time>1292_00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,040</time>
<s>因为他家里的这个情况</s>
<time>1293_00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,840</time>
<s>所以广告是趋利</s>
