<time>433_00:13:11,053 --> 00:13:12,133</time>
<s>当我们讲美慕的时候是在哪儿呢</s>
<time>434_00:13:12,493 --> 00:13:14,293</time>
<s>美慕是我高你低</s>
<time>435_00:13:14,653 --> 00:13:15,710</time>
<s>所以当我用各种各样的东西</s>
<time>436_00:13:16,070 --> 00:13:17,150</time>
<s>把我摆在一个很高的地方的时候</s>
<time>437_00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:18,590</time>
<s>我给你传递一种感觉</s>
<time>438_00:13:18,950 --> 00:13:20,390</time>
<s>你看你很糟糕</s>
<time>439_00:13:20,750 --> 00:13:21,110</time>
<s>其实他想通过</s>
<time>440_00:13:21,470 --> 00:13:22,910</time>
<s>他不仅是就是拿这个好东西</s>
<time>441_00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:24,710</time>
<s>把自己的这个糟糕的东西包起来</s>
<time>442_00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:26,862</time>
<s>他用这种特别好的东西</s>
<time>443_00:13:27,222 --> 00:13:28,302</time>
<s>还就是占有这个之后</s>
<time>444_00:13:28,662 --> 00:13:29,022</time>
<s>他有一种感觉</s>
<time>445_00:13:29,382 --> 00:13:30,822</time>
<s>你看你们都怎么怎么样</s>
<time>446_00:13:31,182 --> 00:13:32,982</time>
<s>不过武老师这恐怕还不是</s>
<time>447_00:13:33,342 --> 00:13:33,702</time>
<s>一般意义上</s>
<time>448_00:13:34,062 --> 00:13:35,142</time>
<s>就您这样讲的那种美慕</s>
<time>449_00:13:35,487 --> 00:13:36,567</time>
<s>因为大部分我们今天看到</s>
<time>450_00:13:36,927 --> 00:13:39,447</time>
<s>这些年轻人要贷款搞到破产</s>
<time>451_00:13:39,807 --> 00:13:41,967</time>
<s>在边缘来装配自己</s>
<time>452_00:13:42,327 --> 00:13:44,487</time>
<s>他有时候是只是</s>
<time>453_00:13:44,847 --> 00:13:45,544</time>
<s>对他们而言那是一个</s>
<time>454_00:13:45,904 --> 00:13:48,064</time>
<s>进入某个群体的一个最低的</s>
<time>455_00:13:48,424 --> 00:13:49,864</time>
<s>就是咱们说高配</s>
<time>456_00:13:50,224 --> 00:13:51,664</time>
<s>实际上对人家来说是标配</s>
<time>457_00:13:52,024 --> 00:13:52,744</time>
<s>那是标配</s>
<time>458_00:13:53,104 --> 00:13:53,824</time>
<s>没有就根本不算人</s>
<time>459_00:13:54,184 --> 00:13:54,544</time>
<s>这有点像什么呢</s>
<time>460_00:13:54,904 --> 00:13:56,696</time>
<s>我觉得这整个消费主义流行之后</s>
<time>461_00:13:57,056 --> 00:13:57,416</time>
<s>就很流行</s>
<time>462_00:13:57,776 --> 00:13:58,856</time>
<s>中国20年前还没有</s>
<time>463_00:13:59,216 --> 00:14:01,016</time>
<s>比如说信用卡的使用习惯</s>
<time>464_00:14:01,376 --> 00:14:02,096</time>
<s>或者怎么样</s>
<time>465_00:14:02,456 --> 00:14:03,896</time>
<s>那我们现在有各种各样的贷款</s>
<time>466_00:14:04,256 --> 00:14:06,761</time>
<s>当信用卡这个东西一出现的时候</s>
<time>467_00:14:07,121 --> 00:14:07,841</time>
<s>其实在世界各地</s>
<time>468_00:14:08,201 --> 00:14:09,281</time>
<s>逐步流行的时候</s>
<time>469_00:14:09,641 --> 00:14:11,081</time>
<s>各地都出现过类似的情况</s>
<time>470_00:14:11,441 --> 00:14:12,881</time>
<s>所以曾经有人说信用卡是什么</s>
<time>471_00:14:13,241 --> 00:14:15,401</time>
<s>信用卡是一张薄薄的塑料片</s>
<time>472_00:14:15,761 --> 00:14:18,281</time>
<s>一手摧毁了资本主义的新教精神</s>
<time>473_00:14:18,641 --> 00:14:19,721</time>
<s>这个资本主义新教精神</s>
<time>474_00:14:20,081 --> 00:14:20,441</time>
<s>叫作积极工作</s>
<time>475_00:14:20,801 --> 00:14:21,521</time>
<s>然后要节俭</s>
<time>476_00:14:21,881 --> 00:14:22,961</time>
<s>它把这个完全摧毁掉</s>
<time>477_00:14:23,321 --> 00:14:24,041</time>
<s>你比如说你看日本</s>
<time>478_00:14:25,121 --> 00:14:26,913</time>
<s>日本哪怕在今天</s>
<time>479_00:14:27,273 --> 00:14:28,713</time>
<s>大家觉得经济不好的这个时候</s>
<time>480_00:14:29,073 --> 00:14:31,233</time>
<s>还是有很多年轻人</s>
<time>481_00:14:31,593 --> 00:14:33,393</time>
<s>就尽管这种数目</s>
<time>482_00:14:33,753 --> 00:14:34,473</time>
<s>已经不如以前那么多</s>
<time>483_00:14:34,833 --> 00:14:35,898</time>
<s>还是有很多年轻人</s>
<time>484_00:14:36,258 --> 00:14:36,978</time>
<s>是倾家荡产的</s>
<time>485_00:14:37,338 --> 00:14:39,858</time>
<s>为了要维持一个基本的门面</s>
<time>486_00:14:40,218 --> 00:14:40,938</time>
<s>我想起以前日本的一些</s>
<time>487_00:14:41,298 --> 00:14:42,738</time>
<s>我认识一些白领上班族</s>
<time>488_00:14:43,098 --> 00:14:43,818</time>
<s>其实很可岭</s>
<time>489_00:14:44,178 --> 00:14:46,697</time>
<s>他们在上世纪90年代的时候</s>
<time>490_00:14:47,057 --> 00:14:48,857</time>
<s>就泡沫经济之前的时候</s>
<time>491_00:14:49,217 --> 00:14:52,097</time>
<s>都要买漂亮的高尔夫球杆</s>
<time>492_00:14:52,457 --> 00:14:53,177</time>
<s>要准备一套配备</s>
<time>493_00:14:53,537 --> 00:14:53,897</time>
<s>为什么呢</s>
<time>494_00:14:54,257 --> 00:14:54,977</time>
<s>因为曾经一度</s>
<time>495_00:14:55,337 --> 00:14:58,570</time>
<s>在日本那种公司文化会社文化</s>
<time>496_00:14:58,930 --> 00:15:01,810</time>
<s>打高尔夫球是一个很重要的事情</s>
<time>497_00:15:02,170 --> 00:15:03,250</time>
<s>最重要是陪客户</s>
<time>498_00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:04,330</time>
<s>或者陪老板</s>
<time>499_00:15:04,690 --> 00:15:06,474</time>
<s>很可能你今天是个小职员</s>
<time>500_00:15:06,834 --> 00:15:08,274</time>
<s>你一辈子都还没进过高尔夫球场</s>
<time>501_00:15:08,634 --> 00:15:08,994</time>
<s>但你要准备</s>
<time>502_00:15:09,354 --> 00:15:12,234</time>
<s>万一有一天社长要去打球</s>
<time>503_00:15:12,594 --> 00:15:13,314</time>
<s>交谊社交</s>
<time>504_00:15:13,674 --> 00:15:15,474</time>
<s>我要被叫去我该怎么办</s>
<time>505_00:15:15,834 --> 00:15:16,913</time>
<s>然后还要配备</s>
<time>506_00:15:17,273 --> 00:15:17,993</time>
<s>在家苦练</s>
<time>507_00:15:18,353 --> 00:15:19,793</time>
<s>然后开始就开始同事们比较</s>
<time>508_00:15:20,153 --> 00:15:24,113</time>
<s>你的这个高尔夫球杆是哪个厂牌的</s>
<time>509_00:15:24,473 --> 00:15:24,833</time>
<s>哪个怎么样</s>
<time>510_00:15:25,193 --> 00:15:25,913</time>
<s>然后再来讲</s>
<time>511_00:15:26,265 --> 00:15:28,785</time>
<s>就是你装球杆的这个袋子</s>
<time>512_00:15:29,145 --> 00:15:30,945</time>
<s>你的高尔夫球的鞋子</s>
<time>513_00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:32,745</time>
<s>你的裤子你的衣服</s>
<time>514_00:15:33,105 --> 00:15:34,185</time>
<s>那么变成的是一个</s>
<time>515_00:15:34,545 --> 00:15:35,985</time>
<s>不断地提高的门槛</s>
<time>516_00:15:36,329 --> 00:15:37,769</time>
<s>那整个标准不断地提高</s>
<time>517_00:15:38,129 --> 00:15:39,209</time>
<s>我觉得今天很多孩子</s>
<time>518_00:15:39,569 --> 00:15:41,009</time>
<s>他比如说一定要买苹果手机</s>
<time>519_00:15:41,369 --> 00:15:42,089</time>
<s>一定要怎么样</s>
<time>520_00:15:42,449 --> 00:15:43,529</time>
<s>其实这都是一个他觉得</s>
<time>521_00:15:44,609 --> 00:15:45,329</time>
<s>大家吃饭</s>
<time>522_00:15:45,689 --> 00:15:46,409</time>
<s>手机摆在桌上</s>
<time>523_00:15:48,209 --> 00:15:48,929</time>
<s>你那个拿不拿得出来</s>
<time>524_00:15:49,289 --> 00:15:50,009</time>
<s>这是个标配问题</s>
<time>525_00:15:51,449 --> 00:15:52,529</time>
<s>对所以为了这个</s>
<time>526_00:15:52,889 --> 00:15:54,329</time>
<s>这是他是要让别人认同</s>
<time>527_00:15:54,689 --> 00:15:56,480</time>
<s>你说得真是特别好</s>
<time>528_00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,200</time>
<s>就是什么呢</s>
<time>529_00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,360</time>
<s>一个就是你说这个信用卡</s>
<time>530_00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,240</time>
<s>你看我们团队里头有那个90后的</s>
<time>531_00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,120</time>
<s>就是我现在发现这是个问题</s>
<time>532_00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,624</time>
<s>就是他现在有的感觉是什么</s>
<time>533_00:16:07,984 --> 00:16:09,784</time>
<s>不是他想花这么多钱</s>
<time>534_00:16:10,144 --> 00:16:11,944</time>
<s>他给我讲的是这怎么办</s>
<time>535_00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:13,744</time>
<s>我一个月花了三万块钱</s>
<time>536_00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:15,184</time>
<s>就是我不知道怎么</s>
<time>537_00:16:15,544 --> 00:16:16,983</time>
<s>就是他不知道怎么花的</s>
<time>538_00:16:17,343 --> 00:16:18,423</time>
<s>后来他就找理由</s>
<time>539_00:16:19,503 --> 00:16:20,223</time>
<s>他就说现在的</s>
<time>540_00:16:20,583 --> 00:16:22,743</time>
<s>这个支付手段太罪恶了</s>
<time>541_00:16:23,103 --> 00:16:24,903</time>
<s>你说的是信用卡</s>
<time>542_00:16:25,263 --> 00:16:25,623</time>
<s>你知道现在</s>
<time>543_00:16:25,983 --> 00:16:28,135</time>
<s>各种莫名其妙的那个软件</s>
<time>544_00:16:28,495 --> 00:16:29,215</time>
<s>它滋溜一下</s>
<time>545_00:16:29,575 --> 00:16:30,295</time>
<s>他说而且尤其是</s>
<time>546_00:16:30,655 --> 00:16:31,375</time>
<s>刷脸的那种</s>
<time>547_00:16:31,735 --> 00:16:32,095</time>
<s>刷脸的</s>
<time>548_00:16:32,455 --> 00:16:32,815</time>
<s>是最可怕的</s>
<time>549_00:16:33,175 --> 00:16:34,255</time>
<s>对秃噜就走了</s>
<time>550_00:16:34,615 --> 00:16:37,479</time>
<s>而且在这个各种网购平台上</s>
<time>551_00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:39,999</time>
<s>你知道就是跟拿现钱出来的</s>
<time>552_00:16:40,359 --> 00:16:41,799</time>
<s>那个困难程度可真不一样</s>
<time>553_00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:43,239</time>
<s>你那个就嗖一下</s>
<time>554_00:16:43,599 --> 00:16:45,399</time>
<s>越来越方便</s>
<time>555_00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:46,479</time>
<s>我就觉得这东西</s>
<time>556_00:16:46,838 --> 00:16:49,358</time>
<s>你已经有点成瘾了吧</s>
<time>557_00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:50,798</time>
<s>包括那个借钱的</s>
<time>558_00:16:51,158 --> 00:16:52,238</time>
<s>各种各样的贷</s>
<time>559_00:16:52,598 --> 00:16:53,318</time>
<s>有合法的有不合法的</s>
<time>560_00:16:53,678 --> 00:16:54,758</time>
<s>反正就是前些年</s>
<time>561_00:16:55,118 --> 00:16:55,838</time>
<s>不是出那个裸贷</s>
<time>562_00:16:56,198 --> 00:16:56,909</time>
<s>那不是政府整治吗</s>
<time>563_00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:58,709</time>
<s>假如咱们把这个定位为</s>
<time>564_00:16:59,069 --> 00:17:00,869</time>
<s>一种控制不住的瘾的话</s>
<time>565_00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:03,029</time>
<s>会带来人家破人亡的话</s>
<time>566_00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:04,109</time>
<s>家破人穷吧</s>
<time>567_00:17:04,469 --> 00:17:04,829</time>
<s>要打击吗</s>
<time>568_00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:05,909</time>
<s>那么是不是</s>
<time>569_00:17:06,269 --> 00:17:09,492</time>
<s>不是但是你怎么管人的这个欲望</s>
<time>570_00:17:09,852 --> 00:17:12,732</time>
<s>就是现代科技的骗局在于</s>
<time>571_00:17:13,092 --> 00:17:14,892</time>
<s>我给了你更多的自由吧</s>
<time>572_00:17:15,252 --> 00:17:18,131</time>
<s>但是你也更多地处在了牢笼之中</s>
<time>573_00:17:18,491 --> 00:17:19,571</time>
<s>你以为你是自由的吗</s>
<time>574_00:17:19,931 --> 00:17:20,651</time>
<s>你现在就完全</s>
<time>575_00:17:21,011 --> 00:17:22,451</time>
<s>你像我们那个团队那小孩</s>
<time>576_00:17:22,811 --> 00:17:23,891</time>
<s>他不知道</s>
<time>577_00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:24,611</time>
<s>蹭蹭蹭</s>
<time>578_00:17:24,971 --> 00:17:27,123</time>
<s>最后上个星期我都发现</s>
<time>579_00:17:27,483 --> 00:17:28,563</time>
<s>我那个手机费怎么突然间</s>
<time>580_00:17:28,923 --> 00:17:29,283</time>
<s>一千多块钱了</s>
<time>581_00:17:30,723 --> 00:17:31,443</time>
<s>我还挺较真</s>
<time>582_00:17:31,803 --> 00:17:32,163</time>
<s>打电话</s>
<time>583_00:17:32,523 --> 00:17:33,603</time>
<s>打什么itunes什么</s>
<time>584_00:17:33,963 --> 00:17:35,043</time>
<s>我就闹不清楚</s>
<time>585_00:17:35,403 --> 00:17:37,186</time>
<s>你知道这个手机平台说这个</s>
<time>586_00:17:37,546 --> 00:17:38,266</time>
<s>你这个费用是属于</s>
<time>587_00:17:38,626 --> 00:17:39,346</time>
<s>这个苹果那个itunes</s>
<time>588_00:17:39,706 --> 00:17:40,066</time>
<s>你打电话</s>
<time>589_00:17:40,426 --> 00:17:41,146</time>
<s>我问苹果itunes</s>
<time>590_00:17:41,506 --> 00:17:42,226</time>
<s>然后你知道什么身份证</s>
<time>591_00:17:42,586 --> 00:17:43,306</time>
<s>什么一堆再一查</s>
<time>592_00:17:43,666 --> 00:17:44,386</time>
<s>最后说</s>
<time>593_00:17:45,826 --> 00:17:49,425</time>
<s>你是不是就是听了一个音频平台</s>
<time>594_00:17:49,785 --> 00:17:51,585</time>
<s>一个老师的这个讲课</s>
<time>595_00:17:53,025 --> 00:17:54,105</time>
<s>那个课程400多块钱</s>
<time>596_00:17:54,465 --> 00:17:54,825</time>
<s>就武志红老师那个吗</s>
<time>597_00:17:55,905 --> 00:17:56,265</time>
<s>我那个便宜</s>
<time>598_00:17:56,625 --> 00:17:57,335</time>
<s>我那160多块</s>
<time>599_00:17:57,695 --> 00:17:58,415</time>
<s>植入</s>
<time>600_00:17:58,775 --> 00:18:00,215</time>
<s>还有文道老师的是吧</s>
<time>601_00:18:00,575 --> 00:18:01,655</time>
<s>我一下蹭一下</s>
<time>602_00:18:02,015 --> 00:18:03,455</time>
<s>就是这是你不知道的</s>
<time>603_00:18:03,815 --> 00:18:05,615</time>
<s>然后我接着发现了好几个</s>
<time>604_00:18:05,975 --> 00:18:08,479</time>
<s>每个月扣我58块钱</s>
<time>605_00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:10,639</time>
<s>都是我不太会使用</s>
<time>606_00:18:10,999 --> 00:18:12,079</time>
<s>用过一次它就月月</s>
<time>607_00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:13,159</time>
<s>都给你这么弄</s>
<time>608_00:18:13,879 --> 00:18:15,679</time>
<s>所以我就了解这个小孩说的了</s>
<time>609_00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:16,399</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>610_00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:17,477</time>
<s>而且还有一种情况</s>
<time>611_00:18:17,837 --> 00:18:19,637</time>
<s>就是现在消费最麻烦的地方</s>
<time>612_00:18:19,997 --> 00:18:21,077</time>
<s>就是消费很方便</s>
<time>613_00:18:22,517 --> 00:18:22,877</time>
<s>这是一方面</s>
<time>614_00:18:23,237 --> 00:18:23,957</time>
<s>所有的技术</s>
<time>615_00:18:24,317 --> 00:18:26,837</time>
<s>不断地让你给钱的这个流程方便</s>
<time>616_00:18:27,197 --> 00:18:27,908</time>
<s>变得方便很多</s>
<time>617_00:18:28,628 --> 00:18:28,988</time>
<s>另一方面是什么</s>
<time>618_00:18:29,348 --> 00:18:30,428</time>
<s>我们现在欲望是要</s>
<time>619_00:18:30,788 --> 00:18:32,228</time>
<s>要求的是即时满足</s>
<time>620_00:18:32,588 --> 00:18:32,948</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>621_00:18:33,308 --> 00:18:35,108</time>
<s>我们没有任何的延时的机会</s>
<time>622_00:18:35,828 --> 00:18:36,908</time>
<s>就比如说你以前</s>
<time>623_00:18:37,268 --> 00:18:38,331</time>
<s>你要买个车</s>
<time>624_00:18:38,691 --> 00:18:40,131</time>
<s>或者说再古老一点</s>
<time>625_00:18:40,491 --> 00:18:42,291</time>
<s>衣服要做的时候</s>
<time>626_00:18:42,651 --> 00:18:44,091</time>
<s>整个消费我给了钱</s>
<time>627_00:18:44,451 --> 00:18:45,531</time>
<s>到拿到东西</s>
<time>628_00:18:45,891 --> 00:18:46,611</time>
<s>整个流程是复杂的</s>
<time>629_00:18:48,049 --> 00:18:49,129</time>
<s>那是一个你所有的满足</s>
<time>630_00:18:49,489 --> 00:18:50,569</time>
<s>是延时的</s>
<time>631_00:18:50,929 --> 00:18:51,649</time>
<s>可是问题是现在</s>
<time>632_00:18:52,009 --> 00:18:54,169</time>
<s>我们要的满足感是即刻的</s>
<time>633_00:18:54,529 --> 00:18:55,969</time>
<s>而且那个即刻甚至不是说</s>
<time>634_00:18:56,329 --> 00:18:58,840</time>
<s>我要快递这个东西很快到我家</s>
<time>635_00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,720</time>
<s>而是我买的这下单按钮</s>
<time>636_00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,880</time>
<s>刷脸的这一刻的满足感</s>
<time>637_00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,680</time>
<s>比它实际送到我手上的</s>
<time>638_00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:06,400</time>
<s>满足感还要大</s>
<time>639_00:19:07,823 --> 00:19:08,543</time>
<s>所以那个满足感</s>
<time>640_00:19:08,903 --> 00:19:09,623</time>
<s>是不断地被压缩</s>
<time>641_00:19:09,983 --> 00:19:10,343</time>
<s>那个时间</s>
<time>642_00:19:10,703 --> 00:19:12,143</time>
<s>所以当你一再追求</s>
<time>643_00:19:12,503 --> 00:19:13,943</time>
<s>这种即时满足的时候</s>
<time>644_00:19:14,303 --> 00:19:15,743</time>
<s>我们刚才说那种负债</s>
<time>645_00:19:16,103 --> 00:19:17,183</time>
<s>那个情况只会更严重</s>
<time>646_00:19:17,543 --> 00:19:18,261</time>
<s>而且我觉得商家</s>
<time>647_00:19:18,621 --> 00:19:19,701</time>
<s>是非常了解这一点</s>
<time>648_00:19:20,061 --> 00:19:21,141</time>
<s>所以我们可以看到互联网上</s>
<time>649_00:19:21,501 --> 00:19:23,301</time>
<s>大部分的视频或者是什么东西</s>
<time>650_00:19:23,661 --> 00:19:25,461</time>
<s>最后都变成是所谓的带货的</s>
<time>651_00:19:25,821 --> 00:19:26,541</time>
<s>你知道就是会有一个</s>
<time>652_00:19:26,901 --> 00:19:28,331</time>
<s>这种一个标杆</s>
<time>653_00:19:28,691 --> 00:19:30,131</time>
<s>然后说你现在下单</s>
<time>654_00:19:30,491 --> 00:19:32,651</time>
<s>立刻可以获得他的同款外套</s>
<time>655_00:19:33,011 --> 00:19:33,731</time>
<s>他的同款T恤</s>
<time>656_00:19:34,091 --> 00:19:36,251</time>
<s>就是获得同款什么什么是成本</s>
<time>657_00:19:36,611 --> 00:19:37,691</time>
<s>其实是成本最低的</s>
<time>658_00:19:38,034 --> 00:19:39,834</time>
<s>你变得跟名人一样的一种方式</s>
<time>659_00:19:40,194 --> 00:19:40,914</time>
<s>所以我觉得</s>
<time>660_00:19:41,274 --> 00:19:42,714</time>
<s>这个就是所谓的带货文化</s>
<time>661_00:19:43,074 --> 00:19:45,234</time>
<s>可能也是现在商家</s>
<time>662_00:19:45,594 --> 00:19:47,754</time>
<s>特别懂的一点吧</s>
<time>663_00:19:48,112 --> 00:19:48,832</time>
<s>就是说你这个</s>
<time>664_00:19:49,192 --> 00:19:51,352</time>
<s>好现在这个我们看一个视频</s>
<time>665_00:19:51,712 --> 00:19:52,792</time>
<s>底下立刻出来一个购物框</s>
<time>666_00:19:53,152 --> 00:19:53,872</time>
<s>现在点进去</s>
<time>667_00:19:54,232 --> 00:19:55,312</time>
<s>立刻可以获得</s>
<time>668_00:19:55,672 --> 00:19:56,392</time>
<s>蒋方舟同款连衣裙</s>
<time>669_00:19:56,752 --> 00:19:58,542</time>
<s>就是你是没有办法去抵御</s>
<time>670_00:19:58,902 --> 00:19:59,262</time>
<s>这种诱惑的</s>
<time>671_00:19:59,622 --> 00:20:00,342</time>
<s>方舟我</s>
<time>672_00:20:00,702 --> 00:20:01,422</time>
<s>不好意思武老师</s>
<time>673_00:20:01,782 --> 00:20:03,222</time>
<s>我有个好奇的问题</s>
<time>674_00:20:03,582 --> 00:20:05,742</time>
<s>就是我们年轻的时候</s>
<time>675_00:20:06,102 --> 00:20:08,244</time>
<s>好像大家觉得是以</s>
<time>676_00:20:08,604 --> 00:20:10,404</time>
<s>不一样为荣</s>
<time>677_00:20:10,764 --> 00:20:12,924</time>
<s>讲究特立独行你知道吗</s>
<time>678_00:20:13,284 --> 00:20:14,364</time>
<s>比如说那个时候就是说</s>
<time>679_00:20:14,724 --> 00:20:15,444</time>
<s>他们就说上海的酒吧</s>
<time>680_00:20:15,804 --> 00:20:16,884</time>
<s>跟北京酒吧不一样对吧</s>
<time>681_00:20:17,244 --> 00:20:17,964</time>
<s>上海酒吧一个个穿得</s>
<time>682_00:20:18,322 --> 00:20:20,482</time>
<s>都跟话剧舞台上的人一样对吧</s>
<time>683_00:20:20,842 --> 00:20:22,282</time>
<s>就是北京酒吧</s>
<time>684_00:20:22,642 --> 00:20:24,082</time>
<s>来一哥们儿穿着个缅裆裤</s>
<time>685_00:20:24,442 --> 00:20:25,162</time>
<s>披着个军大衣</s>
<time>686_00:20:25,522 --> 00:20:26,602</time>
<s>带着个二锅头</s>
<time>687_00:20:26,962 --> 00:20:27,682</time>
<s>他也是一种演</s>
<time>688_00:20:28,042 --> 00:20:29,472</time>
<s>但是就至少</s>
<time>689_00:20:29,832 --> 00:20:30,552</time>
<s>就是我们那个时候觉着</s>
<time>690_00:20:30,912 --> 00:20:31,992</time>
<s>这哥们儿对吧</s>
<time>691_00:20:32,352 --> 00:20:33,432</time>
<s>他就不穿那个西装革履</s>
<time>692_00:20:33,792 --> 00:20:37,032</time>
<s>就是说以这个不同才叫反叛</s>
<time>693_00:20:37,392 --> 00:20:38,112</time>
<s>才牛</s>
<time>694_00:20:39,174 --> 00:20:39,534</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>695_00:20:40,254 --> 00:20:42,414</time>
<s>那现在你们还是这样吗</s>
<time>696_00:20:42,774 --> 00:20:43,854</time>
<s>没有其实我觉得这就是刚刚</s>
<time>697_00:20:44,214 --> 00:20:45,294</time>
<s>那个文道老师说的这个问题</s>
<time>698_00:20:45,654 --> 00:20:46,374</time>
<s>就是说你</s>
<time>699_00:20:47,094 --> 00:20:48,532</time>
<s>不断升的一个概念</s>
<time>700_00:20:49,252 --> 00:20:50,692</time>
<s>你本来这个20岁的时候</s>
<time>701_00:20:51,052 --> 00:20:52,492</time>
<s>你买某一个这个轻奢的包包</s>
<time>702_00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:53,572</time>
<s>大家都要有</s>
<time>703_00:20:53,932 --> 00:20:55,012</time>
<s>然后是同款的</s>
<time>704_00:20:55,372 --> 00:20:56,092</time>
<s>你就得到满足</s>
<time>705_00:20:56,452 --> 00:20:57,532</time>
<s>但是就有一部分人觉得</s>
<time>706_00:20:57,892 --> 00:20:58,252</time>
<s>我要不一样</s>
<time>707_00:20:58,602 --> 00:20:59,322</time>
<s>我要更高级一点</s>
<time>708_00:20:59,682 --> 00:21:01,122</time>
<s>所以他塑造出来一个更高的门槛</s>
<time>709_00:21:01,482 --> 00:21:02,202</time>
<s>就是所以我觉得</s>
<time>710_00:21:02,562 --> 00:21:03,642</time>
<s>大家都想变得不同</s>
<time>711_00:21:04,002 --> 00:21:04,722</time>
<s>所以但是不同</s>
<time>712_00:21:05,082 --> 00:21:06,522</time>
<s>就意味着更贵和更好</s>
<time>713_00:21:06,882 --> 00:21:07,602</time>
<s>把这俩绑一块</s>
<time>714_00:21:07,962 --> 00:21:09,384</time>
<s>对所以我觉得它是一个</s>
<time>715_00:21:09,744 --> 00:21:11,184</time>
<s>不断升级的一个概念</s>
<time>716_00:21:11,544 --> 00:21:13,704</time>
<s>你想变得比大家好</s>
<time>717_00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,144</time>
<s>只好那么一点点</s>
<time>718_00:21:15,504 --> 00:21:16,224</time>
<s>所以你要花更高的钱</s>
<time>719_00:21:16,584 --> 00:21:17,304</time>
<s>所以门槛</s>
<time>720_00:21:17,664 --> 00:21:18,384</time>
<s>这个所谓标准的门槛</s>
<time>721_00:21:18,741 --> 00:21:20,541</time>
<s>就随着高级的门槛提升</s>
<time>722_00:21:20,901 --> 00:21:21,621</time>
<s>而变得越来越高</s>
<time>723_00:21:21,981 --> 00:21:22,701</time>
<s>和越来越贵</s>
<time>724_00:21:23,421 --> 00:21:24,141</time>
<s>其实都在讲</s>
<time>725_00:21:24,501 --> 00:21:26,301</time>
<s>就是一个人想寻求</s>
<time>726_00:21:26,661 --> 00:21:28,811</time>
<s>就是一种认可</s>
<time>727_00:21:29,171 --> 00:21:29,891</time>
<s>你比如说刚才讲的</s>
<time>728_00:21:30,251 --> 00:21:31,331</time>
<s>一个人想寻求集体的认可</s>
<time>729_00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:32,771</time>
<s>我们讲的一个这个群体</s>
<time>730_00:21:33,131 --> 00:21:33,851</time>
<s>它有个标配的门槛</s>
<time>731_00:21:34,211 --> 00:21:35,651</time>
<s>比如说你讲的高尔夫球杆吧</s>
<time>732_00:21:36,011 --> 00:21:37,091</time>
<s>像刚才你讲的</s>
<time>733_00:21:37,451 --> 00:21:39,233</time>
<s>比方说给蒋方舟同款</s>
<time>734_00:21:39,593 --> 00:21:40,673</time>
<s>就是这意味着</s>
<time>735_00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:43,193</time>
<s>都是我不知道我是谁是吧</s>
<time>736_00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:44,993</time>
<s>我要通过认同了蒋方舟</s>
<time>737_00:21:45,353 --> 00:21:47,513</time>
<s>接着我就成为这个好像</s>
<time>738_00:21:47,873 --> 00:21:48,593</time>
<s>就是成为蒋方舟</s>
<time>739_00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:50,390</time>
<s>或者这样的跟你有点连接</s>
<time>740_00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:51,470</time>
<s>或者刚才讲的也是</s>
<time>741_00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:53,630</time>
<s>说我要获得群体的认可</s>
<time>742_00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:54,710</time>
<s>要怎么怎么样</s>
<time>743_00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:55,790</time>
<s>那我想确实互联网</s>
<time>744_00:21:56,150 --> 00:21:57,590</time>
<s>就是极大地带动了这一点</s>
<time>745_00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:58,310</time>
<s>因为过去我们讲</s>
<time>746_00:21:58,670 --> 00:21:59,740</time>
<s>这个媒体的宣传</s>
<time>747_00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:00,460</time>
<s>电视什么的</s>
<time>748_00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:02,260</time>
<s>就可能没有像互联网</s>
<time>749_00:22:02,620 --> 00:22:04,420</time>
<s>构建了一个同一个平台</s>
<time>750_00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:05,860</time>
<s>现在所有人都在共享互联网</s>
<time>751_00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:06,940</time>
<s>这一个平台</s>
<time>752_00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:08,740</time>
<s>可能这里面确实形成了</s>
<time>753_00:22:09,081 --> 00:22:10,161</time>
<s>这一部分我觉得在加强</s>
<time>754_00:22:10,521 --> 00:22:10,881</time>
<s>但你们听的时候</s>
<time>755_00:22:11,241 --> 00:22:11,601</time>
<s>我就有点</s>
<time>756_00:22:11,961 --> 00:22:12,321</time>
<s>我就不断在想</s>
<time>757_00:22:12,681 --> 00:22:13,401</time>
<s>我身边有哪个人</s>
<time>758_00:22:13,761 --> 00:22:15,201</time>
<s>就是就包括我的公司里头</s>
<time>759_00:22:15,561 --> 00:22:17,361</time>
<s>就是很多90后的小孩是吧</s>
<time>760_00:22:17,721 --> 00:22:18,081</time>
<s>他们有很多</s>
<time>761_00:22:18,441 --> 00:22:19,518</time>
<s>有谁因为这样子</s>
<time>762_00:22:19,878 --> 00:22:22,038</time>
<s>会变得很窘迫吗</s>
<time>763_00:22:22,398 --> 00:22:23,838</time>
<s>那说实话我还身边</s>
<time>764_00:22:24,558 --> 00:22:25,998</time>
<s>可能你的也是另一种真相</s>
<time>765_00:22:26,358 --> 00:22:27,438</time>
<s>我现在觉得有一些时候</s>
<time>766_00:22:27,798 --> 00:22:29,228</time>
<s>我们谈论的话题</s>
<time>767_00:22:29,588 --> 00:22:31,748</time>
<s>也许是媒体制造出来的伪话题</s>
<time>768_00:22:32,108 --> 00:22:33,188</time>
<s>也有可能</s>
<time>769_00:22:33,548 --> 00:22:34,628</time>
<s>比如每个年轻人都在破产之类</s>
<time>770_00:22:34,988 --> 00:22:35,708</time>
<s>对每个年轻人都在破产</s>
<time>771_00:22:36,068 --> 00:22:37,868</time>
<s>大家就是这种比较耸动</s>
<time>772_00:22:38,228 --> 00:22:38,588</time>
<s>聊这个觉得</s>
<time>773_00:22:38,948 --> 00:22:41,449</time>
<s>比较所谓贩卖焦虑对吧</s>
<time>774_00:22:42,889 --> 00:22:44,329</time>
<s>实际上是不是有这种现象</s>
<time>775_00:22:44,689 --> 00:22:45,409</time>
<s>是不是大部分人</s>
<time>776_00:22:45,769 --> 00:22:47,209</time>
<s>还是过着比较平实的生活</s>
<time>777_00:22:47,569 --> 00:22:47,929</time>
<s>对我觉得大部分人</s>
<time>778_00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:48,649</time>
<s>比方说我们公司那小孩</s>
<time>779_00:22:49,009 --> 00:22:49,726</time>
<s>他们有很多</s>
<time>780_00:22:50,086 --> 00:22:51,166</time>
<s>就是那个90后的那些共同特点</s>
<time>781_00:22:51,526 --> 00:22:52,246</time>
<s>各种比如说丧</s>
<time>782_00:22:52,606 --> 00:22:53,326</time>
<s>各种各样的这些东西</s>
<time>783_00:22:53,686 --> 00:22:55,486</time>
<s>而且同时都比较有自我</s>
<time>784_00:22:55,846 --> 00:22:56,926</time>
<s>什么动不动就可以辞职</s>
<time>785_00:22:57,286 --> 00:22:58,726</time>
<s>跟我们以往真的是不太一样</s>
<time>786_00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,235</time>
<s>就但是以我的评估</s>
<time>787_00:23:01,595 --> 00:23:02,315</time>
<s>我觉得他们活得还好好的</s>
<time>788_00:23:02,675 --> 00:23:05,195</time>
<s>对但即便是他们</s>
<time>789_00:23:05,555 --> 00:23:07,355</time>
<s>我也觉得挺够呛</s>
<time>790_00:23:07,715 --> 00:23:09,155</time>
<s>就是说咱们比较了解的是</s>
<time>791_00:23:09,497 --> 00:23:12,017</time>
<s>这个北上广大城市</s>
<time>792_00:23:12,377 --> 00:23:14,897</time>
<s>确实他挣个这个几千块钱</s>
<time>793_00:23:15,257 --> 00:23:16,337</time>
<s>到一万块钱的</s>
<time>794_00:23:18,137 --> 00:23:20,653</time>
<s>我有时候替他想想还真不够</s>
<time>795_00:23:21,013 --> 00:23:21,373</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>796_00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:23,533</time>
<s>你真的我觉得就是不够</s>
<time>797_00:23:23,893 --> 00:23:24,613</time>
<s>你这个是不是应该</s>
<time>798_00:23:24,973 --> 00:23:26,773</time>
<s>全民提高工资还是怎么着</s>
<time>799_00:23:27,133 --> 00:23:28,933</time>
<s>就是因为你可以算嘛他</s>
<time>800_00:23:29,293 --> 00:23:30,002</time>
<s>你看你刚才讲快递</s>
<time>801_00:23:30,362 --> 00:23:32,162</time>
<s>我那天录节目还说到一个事</s>
<time>802_00:23:32,522 --> 00:23:33,962</time>
<s>就实际上现在有的送快递的</s>
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<s>他的月薪跟小白领是一样高</s>
<time>804_00:23:36,482 --> 00:23:38,282</time>
<s>但是他方式不一样</s>
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<s>反映了他们期待不一样</s>
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<s>送快递的</s>
<time>807_00:23:41,863 --> 00:23:43,303</time>
<s>他可能一个月就几百块钱</s>
<time>808_00:23:43,663 --> 00:23:45,103</time>
<s>租个那个群租房的床位</s>
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<s>他忍那么几年</s>
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<s>他想的是回老家盖房</s>
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<s>他的钱</s>
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<s>小白领还是想着在大城市生活</s>
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<s>住得有尊严一点</s>
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<s>对他甚至可以每个月房租</s>
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<s>花掉他收入的三分之一</s>
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<s>这你说他花掉三分之一</s>
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<s>而且他还得健身吧</s>
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<s>对</s>
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<s>当然这也是</s>
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<s>有的年轻人我发现</s>
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<s>健身你跑步也不花钱</s>
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<s>但是他要办个健身卡</s>
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<s>对要去健身房</s>
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<s>一办要办个年卡</s>
<time>825_00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:13,870</time>
<s>后来那天有个小姐姐跟我说</s>
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<s>说为什么那个要</s>
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<s>一定要办这个健身卡</s>
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<s>一定要进健身房呢</s>
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<s>因为跑步不利于拍照</s>
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<s>你在健身房</s>
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<s>一般都是健身三分钟</s>
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<s>拍照俩小时</s>
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<s>我也不知道是不是</s>
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<s>这个我也得一分为二看问题了</s>
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<s>就是确实健身房</s>
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<s>和你自己不一样</s>
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<s>就是我身边有朋友</s>
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<s>他以往自己健身</s>
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<s>现在他去健身房</s>
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<s>健身房有健身教练</s>
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<s>有很多指导</s>
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<s>对你再找个私教</s>
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<s>我的天哪</s>
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<s>当然私教确实会贵</s>
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<s>但是真的是和你自己健身</s>
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<s>是不一样的</s>
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<s>现在什么东西都可以学</s>
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<s>你比方说有人教你</s>
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<s>你和你自学</s>
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<s>当然很不一样</s>
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<s>不还有一个</s>
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<s>就是刚才您说那个每个圈</s>
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<s>您说的公司里面见到的</s>
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<s>那个情况的话</s>
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<s>好像不完全是这样</s>
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<s>我觉得真的</s>
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<s>它还跟行业圈层相关</s>
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<s>我觉得在你们心理咨询</s>
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<s>这一行干的年轻人</s>
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<s>大概多半还</s>
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<s>心很苦</s>
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<s>还好一点</s>
