<time>1298_00:40:57,097 --> 00:40:58,897</time>
<s>比如说像孩子就常常是</s>
<time>1299_00:40:59,257 --> 00:41:00,697</time>
<s>比如说就说是怎么说呢</s>
<time>1300_00:41:01,057 --> 00:41:05,017</time>
<s>就是从排泄系统期的快感</s>
<time>1301_00:41:05,377 --> 00:41:06,799</time>
<s>到口唇期的快感</s>
<time>1302_00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,319</time>
<s>一直到最后成年人的那种快感</s>
<time>1303_00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,119</time>
<s>然后呢你看你同时</s>
<time>1304_00:41:11,479 --> 00:41:12,199</time>
<s>你又发现没有</s>
<time>1305_00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:12,919</time>
<s>我们很多时候</s>
<time>1306_00:41:13,279 --> 00:41:15,079</time>
<s>批评有些喜剧片比较低俗</s>
<time>1307_00:41:15,439 --> 00:41:17,597</time>
<s>就是说充满了屎尿屁</s>
<time>1308_00:41:17,957 --> 00:41:19,037</time>
<s>我觉得这个真是挺有意思</s>
<time>1309_00:41:19,397 --> 00:41:21,557</time>
<s>就是说一方面来说呢</s>
<time>1310_00:41:21,917 --> 00:41:23,717</time>
<s>就是你发现没有</s>
<time>1311_00:41:24,077 --> 00:41:26,597</time>
<s>我逗小孩玩后来我发现</s>
<time>1312_00:41:26,947 --> 00:41:27,667</time>
<s>挺好玩</s>
<time>1313_00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:29,467</time>
<s>就是小孩子</s>
<time>1314_00:41:29,827 --> 00:41:32,347</time>
<s>你只要跟他说屎尿屁</s>
<time>1315_00:41:33,067 --> 00:41:33,427</time>
<s>他就很开心</s>
<time>1316_00:41:34,147 --> 00:41:34,507</time>
<s>你比如说放个大屁</s>
<time>1317_00:41:35,947 --> 00:41:36,667</time>
<s>小孩就笑</s>
<time>1318_00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:37,730</time>
<s>所以这可能也是</s>
<time>1319_00:41:38,090 --> 00:41:39,170</time>
<s>人们瞧不起的一个原因</s>
<time>1320_00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:40,970</time>
<s>就是说你离这个本能</s>
<time>1321_00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:42,770</time>
<s>生理本能太接近</s>
<time>1322_00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:44,210</time>
<s>但是从另一个方面来讲</s>
<time>1323_00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:45,650</time>
<s>这也是就说明</s>
<time>1324_00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:47,448</time>
<s>这是很大一块笑料</s>
<time>1325_00:41:47,808 --> 00:41:48,888</time>
<s>就是距离人的</s>
<time>1326_00:41:49,248 --> 00:41:50,688</time>
<s>那种原始本能比较接近</s>
<time>1327_00:41:51,048 --> 00:41:52,848</time>
<s>笑就是推翻规范</s>
<time>1328_00:41:53,208 --> 00:41:53,568</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1329_00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:55,008</time>
<s>推翻规范就好笑</s>
<time>1330_00:41:55,368 --> 00:41:56,088</time>
<s>推翻禁忌</s>
<time>1331_00:41:56,448 --> 00:41:56,808</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1332_00:41:58,238 --> 00:41:59,318</time>
<s>所以我觉得在中国</s>
<time>1333_00:41:59,678 --> 00:42:01,118</time>
<s>比较难的地方就在于</s>
<time>1334_00:42:01,478 --> 00:42:03,638</time>
<s>因为笑这个东西</s>
<time>1335_00:42:03,998 --> 00:42:05,438</time>
<s>刚刚我们讲不同的文化底下</s>
<time>1336_00:42:05,798 --> 00:42:06,518</time>
<s>你觉得什么叫好笑</s>
<time>1337_00:42:06,878 --> 00:42:07,940</time>
<s>有时候是不一样的</s>
<time>1338_00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:09,380</time>
<s>那么在有些东西</s>
<time>1339_00:42:09,740 --> 00:42:11,180</time>
<s>你比如说在国外讲</s>
<time>1340_00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:13,340</time>
<s>你可以回答会觉得很好笑</s>
<time>1341_00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,140</time>
<s>但这个明显在中国就很不好笑</s>
<time>1342_00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:15,860</time>
<s>你这么讲的话</s>
<time>1343_00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:16,580</time>
<s>大家会觉得很愤怒</s>
<time>1344_00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:17,298</time>
<s>裘读</s>
<time>1345_00:42:18,018 --> 00:42:19,098</time>
<s>其实我有一个特别深的体验就是</s>
<time>1346_00:42:19,458 --> 00:42:20,538</time>
<s>其实我人生第一个理想</s>
<time>1347_00:42:20,898 --> 00:42:21,618</time>
<s>想当个相声演员的</s>
<time>1348_00:42:22,698 --> 00:42:23,058</time>
<s>我小时候</s>
<time>1349_00:42:23,778 --> 00:42:24,138</time>
<s>心你没有想到圆果看理想</s>
<time>1350_00:42:25,218 --> 00:42:26,658</time>
<s>我第一个储钱罐满了以后</s>
<time>1351_00:42:27,018 --> 00:42:29,887</time>
<s>我砸了买了三块六毛五一本</s>
<time>1352_00:42:30,247 --> 00:42:32,407</time>
<s>就是上海独角戏全集嘛</s>
<time>1353_00:42:32,767 --> 00:42:33,127</time>
<s>我上面所有东西</s>
<time>1354_00:42:34,207 --> 00:42:34,567</time>
<s>什么三十六（七十二）家房客</s>
<time>1355_00:42:35,287 --> 00:42:35,647</time>
<s>我全能背出来</s>
<time>1356_00:42:36,007 --> 00:42:37,087</time>
<s>但后来我为什么没有做这个</s>
<time>1357_00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:38,869</time>
<s>我就发现女的太难了</s>
<time>1358_00:42:39,229 --> 00:42:41,029</time>
<s>就是你刚才讲到禁忌</s>
<time>1359_00:42:41,389 --> 00:42:43,189</time>
<s>就是一个女的你要在舞台上</s>
<time>1360_00:42:43,549 --> 00:42:44,989</time>
<s>打破这个禁忌</s>
<time>1361_00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:45,709</time>
<s>你的形象就大家</s>
<time>1362_00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:47,507</time>
<s>社会是很难接受的</s>
<time>1363_00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:48,947</time>
<s>一个女的怎么可以这样</s>
<time>1364_00:42:49,307 --> 00:42:50,387</time>
<s>女人在笑这件事情上</s>
<time>1365_00:42:50,747 --> 00:42:51,827</time>
<s>只能做一个被动者</s>
<time>1366_00:42:52,187 --> 00:42:52,547</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1367_00:42:52,907 --> 00:42:53,627</time>
<s>你听到陪着笑笑可以</s>
<time>1368_00:42:53,987 --> 00:42:54,707</time>
<s>你去说个笑话</s>
<time>1369_00:42:55,067 --> 00:42:56,507</time>
<s>很多时候打不破</s>
<time>1370_00:42:56,867 --> 00:42:57,577</time>
<s>所以到今天为止</s>
<time>1371_00:42:57,937 --> 00:43:00,097</time>
<s>我觉得中国没有好的</s>
<time>1372_00:43:00,457 --> 00:43:01,537</time>
<s>女喜剧演员有但很少</s>
<time>1373_00:43:01,897 --> 00:43:02,617</time>
<s>我觉得国外也很少</s>
<time>1374_00:43:02,977 --> 00:43:03,697</time>
<s>其实非常少</s>
<time>1375_00:43:04,057 --> 00:43:05,137</time>
<s>差不多都是一些</s>
<time>1376_00:43:05,497 --> 00:43:06,577</time>
<s>放弃作为一个女人的</s>
<time>1377_00:43:06,937 --> 00:43:09,438</time>
<s>优势的人才能</s>
<time>1378_00:43:09,798 --> 00:43:10,518</time>
<s>跟女政治家一样</s>
<time>1379_00:43:10,878 --> 00:43:12,318</time>
<s>比方贾玲</s>
<time>1380_00:43:12,678 --> 00:43:13,758</time>
<s>她差不多都放弃</s>
<time>1381_00:43:14,118 --> 00:43:15,558</time>
<s>自已作为一个女性的优势了</s>
<time>1382_00:43:16,638 --> 00:43:18,436</time>
<s>就是比如说本来你应该</s>
<time>1383_00:43:18,796 --> 00:43:20,236</time>
<s>要漂漂亮亮的或者怎么样</s>
<time>1384_00:43:20,596 --> 00:43:21,316</time>
<s>你算了吧</s>
<time>1385_00:43:22,396 --> 00:43:22,756</time>
<s>真的是</s>
<time>1386_00:43:23,116 --> 00:43:23,476</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1387_00:43:23,836 --> 00:43:24,196</time>
<s>而且我还想问</s>
<time>1388_00:43:24,556 --> 00:43:25,276</time>
<s>就是一般演戏</s>
<time>1389_00:43:25,636 --> 00:43:27,076</time>
<s>比如说我们以前会觉得说</s>
<time>1390_00:43:27,436 --> 00:43:29,585</time>
<s>一个演员在塑造角色</s>
<time>1391_00:43:29,945 --> 00:43:31,745</time>
<s>他要掌握这个什么角色的心理</s>
<time>1392_00:43:32,105 --> 00:43:33,905</time>
<s>而且要尽量把他演活了</s>
<time>1393_00:43:34,265 --> 00:43:35,345</time>
<s>但是现在回想起来</s>
<time>1394_00:43:35,705 --> 00:43:37,145</time>
<s>很多喜剧里面的那个演员</s>
<time>1395_00:43:37,505 --> 00:43:39,287</time>
<s>恰恰不是一般的活人</s>
<time>1396_00:43:39,647 --> 00:43:40,727</time>
<s>他不是正常的活人</s>
<time>1397_00:43:41,087 --> 00:43:41,807</time>
<s>是不是这一点也是一个</s>
<time>1398_00:43:42,167 --> 00:43:42,527</time>
<s>很难的地方</s>
<time>1399_00:43:42,887 --> 00:43:44,687</time>
<s>我举一个例子</s>
<time>1400_00:43:45,047 --> 00:43:46,487</time>
<s>当年吴君如特别火</s>
<time>1401_00:43:46,847 --> 00:43:47,567</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1402_00:43:47,924 --> 00:43:48,644</time>
<s>演喜剧</s>
<time>1403_00:43:49,004 --> 00:43:49,724</time>
<s>然后突然间</s>
<time>1404_00:43:50,084 --> 00:43:51,524</time>
<s>她所有喜剧她都不接</s>
<time>1405_00:43:51,884 --> 00:43:53,684</time>
<s>然后她就马上不火了</s>
<time>1406_00:43:54,044 --> 00:43:54,764</time>
<s>也赚不到钱</s>
<time>1407_00:43:55,124 --> 00:43:56,204</time>
<s>我有一次</s>
<time>1408_00:43:56,564 --> 00:43:57,284</time>
<s>然后就减肥</s>
<time>1409_00:43:57,644 --> 00:43:58,713</time>
<s>减到特别瘦</s>
<time>1410_00:43:59,073 --> 00:44:00,873</time>
<s>然后大家都瘦了不好笑了</s>
<time>1411_00:44:01,233 --> 00:44:01,953</time>
<s>就那样</s>
<time>1412_00:44:02,313 --> 00:44:03,393</time>
<s>然后我就去问她</s>
<time>1413_00:44:03,753 --> 00:44:04,473</time>
<s>我说你干吗呢</s>
<time>1414_00:44:04,833 --> 00:44:07,353</time>
<s>你这样你就是把钱推出门</s>
<time>1415_00:44:09,495 --> 00:44:09,855</time>
<s>她就哭了</s>
<time>1416_00:44:10,935 --> 00:44:12,015</time>
<s>然后她告诉我</s>
<time>1417_00:44:12,375 --> 00:44:13,455</time>
<s>人家告诉我</s>
<time>1418_00:44:14,895 --> 00:44:16,335</time>
<s>我美了我开心</s>
<time>1419_00:44:20,292 --> 00:44:21,012</time>
<s>这真有意思</s>
<time>1420_00:44:22,092 --> 00:44:22,812</time>
<s>好惨呐</s>
<time>1421_00:44:23,172 --> 00:44:24,252</time>
<s>她很坚持</s>
<time>1422_00:44:24,612 --> 00:44:27,492</time>
<s>然后是变成了一个</s>
<time>1423_00:44:27,852 --> 00:44:30,361</time>
<s>挺不错的形象后来</s>
<time>1424_00:44:31,801 --> 00:44:35,401</time>
<s>就像以前一个女笑将的那个就</s>
<time>1425_00:44:35,761 --> 00:44:37,201</time>
<s>就已经没有了</s>
<time>1426_00:44:37,561 --> 00:44:38,622</time>
<s>所以真有那种理论</s>
<time>1427_00:44:38,982 --> 00:44:40,782</time>
<s>不是说喜剧就是自毁给别人看</s>
<time>1428_00:44:41,142 --> 00:44:42,222</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1429_00:44:42,582 --> 00:44:44,382</time>
<s>做女人难做搞笑的女人最难</s>
<time>1430_00:44:44,742 --> 00:44:46,182</time>
<s>但是文道你分析过没有</s>
<time>1431_00:44:46,542 --> 00:44:48,699</time>
<s>人为什么看到别人惨</s>
<time>1432_00:44:49,059 --> 00:44:49,779</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1433_00:44:50,139 --> 00:44:50,859</time>
<s>就会好笑呢</s>
<time>1434_00:44:52,299 --> 00:44:53,739</time>
<s>这里边有什么动物本能没有</s>
<time>1435_00:44:54,099 --> 00:44:55,899</time>
<s>没有这个很多心理学家都有讲过</s>
<time>1436_00:44:56,259 --> 00:44:56,619</time>
<s>或者很多学者都讲过</s>
<time>1437_00:44:56,979 --> 00:44:59,488</time>
<s>第一就可能是因为</s>
<time>1438_00:44:59,848 --> 00:45:00,928</time>
<s>你看到别人那种惨</s>
<time>1439_00:45:02,368 --> 00:45:03,808</time>
<s>他是代替你</s>
<time>1440_00:45:04,168 --> 00:45:04,528</time>
<s>那有两种</s>
<time>1441_00:45:04,888 --> 00:45:06,328</time>
<s>有时候我们是看一个电影会哭</s>
<time>1442_00:45:06,688 --> 00:45:07,048</time>
<s>因为你觉得那个人</s>
<time>1443_00:45:07,408 --> 00:45:08,469</time>
<s>在代替你去死</s>
<time>1444_00:45:08,829 --> 00:45:09,549</time>
<s>但是另一些时候呢</s>
<time>1445_00:45:09,909 --> 00:45:10,629</time>
<s>你觉得那个人代替你的惨</s>
<time>1446_00:45:10,989 --> 00:45:12,789</time>
<s>但是他不至于到那种</s>
<time>1447_00:45:13,149 --> 00:45:15,309</time>
<s>就完全看戏剧的描写铺写</s>
<time>1448_00:45:15,669 --> 00:45:16,389</time>
<s>怎么样让他觉得</s>
<time>1449_00:45:16,749 --> 00:45:17,109</time>
<s>你觉得这个人</s>
<time>1450_00:45:17,469 --> 00:45:18,905</time>
<s>因为喜剧有个好玩的地方</s>
<time>1451_00:45:19,265 --> 00:45:19,985</time>
<s>你知道那个人不是真死</s>
<time>1452_00:45:21,425 --> 00:45:21,785</time>
<s>你知道那个</s>
<time>1453_00:45:22,145 --> 00:45:23,585</time>
<s>我们在一个假定的状态</s>
<time>1454_00:45:23,945 --> 00:45:25,385</time>
<s>在那种假定状态下</s>
<time>1455_00:45:25,745 --> 00:45:26,825</time>
<s>发生再悲惨的事情</s>
<time>1456_00:45:27,185 --> 00:45:27,905</time>
<s>都可以很可笑</s>
<time>1457_00:45:28,265 --> 00:45:32,214</time>
<s>实在呢欺凌也能带来“快乐”</s>
<time>1458_00:45:32,574 --> 00:45:32,934</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1459_00:45:33,294 --> 00:45:35,454</time>
<s>所以学校什么都很多欺凌的</s>
<time>1460_00:45:36,174 --> 00:45:36,894</time>
<s>欺负别人</s>
<time>1461_00:45:37,254 --> 00:45:37,974</time>
<s>你看电影</s>
<time>1462_00:45:38,334 --> 00:45:40,835</time>
<s>有一个人掉到坑里面了</s>
<time>1463_00:45:41,195 --> 00:45:42,275</time>
<s>那大家就狂笑</s>
<time>1464_00:45:42,635 --> 00:45:45,875</time>
<s>如果你本身你这个人人性</s>
<time>1465_00:45:46,235 --> 00:45:47,675</time>
<s>不愿意去欺凌别人</s>
<time>1466_00:45:48,035 --> 00:45:50,551</time>
<s>可是这种看到人家掉到坑里</s>
<time>1467_00:45:50,911 --> 00:45:52,711</time>
<s>你满足了那种欺凌的</s>
<time>1468_00:45:53,071 --> 00:45:54,151</time>
<s>满足感心理</s>
<time>1469_00:45:54,511 --> 00:45:55,231</time>
<s>可是你又不需要</s>
<time>1470_00:45:55,591 --> 00:45:56,671</time>
<s>去真的去欺凌人</s>
<time>1471_00:45:57,031 --> 00:45:57,751</time>
<s>所以你就大笑了</s>
<time>1472_00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:00,260</time>
<s>把人说的</s>
<time>1473_00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:01,340</time>
<s>你想想看我们小时候</s>
<time>1474_00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:03,140</time>
<s>看的那种美国的</s>
<time>1475_00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:03,860</time>
<s>这是绝对</s>
<time>1476_00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:04,580</time>
<s>你看有的人</s>
<time>1477_00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:07,100</time>
<s>比方说有两三个很坏的同学</s>
<time>1478_00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:11,041</time>
<s>去故意脱一个小胖子的裤子</s>
<time>1479_00:46:11,401 --> 00:46:12,121</time>
<s>其他人在旁边都</s>
<time>1480_00:46:13,561 --> 00:46:14,281</time>
<s>都笑的</s>
<time>1481_00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:15,721</time>
<s>不会说你不好</s>
<time>1482_00:46:16,081 --> 00:46:18,241</time>
<s>这样欺负人很少的</s>
<time>1483_00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:20,397</time>
<s>十个里面最少有八个是笑</s>
<time>1484_00:46:20,757 --> 00:46:22,557</time>
<s>不笑的就是有感情出来了</s>
<time>1485_00:46:23,277 --> 00:46:24,357</time>
<s>有感情就不笑了</s>
<time>1486_00:46:24,717 --> 00:46:25,797</time>
<s>好像是因为这个人的惨</s>
<time>1487_00:46:26,517 --> 00:46:27,597</time>
<s>他应该是不具备代表性</s>
<time>1488_00:46:27,957 --> 00:46:29,025</time>
<s>是比较这个意外的</s>
<time>1489_00:46:29,385 --> 00:46:30,465</time>
<s>好像我记着谁说过叫</s>
<time>1490_00:46:30,825 --> 00:46:31,545</time>
<s>那个一个人的悲剧</s>
<time>1491_00:46:32,265 --> 00:46:32,985</time>
<s>是全社会的笑料</s>
<time>1492_00:46:33,345 --> 00:46:34,425</time>
<s>但如果这一个人的悲剧</s>
<time>1493_00:46:34,785 --> 00:46:35,145</time>
<s>具有代表性</s>
<time>1494_00:46:35,505 --> 00:46:36,225</time>
<s>你每个人看到觉得</s>
<time>1495_00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:36,945</time>
<s>我也是那样</s>
<time>1496_00:46:37,305 --> 00:46:38,025</time>
<s>你就笑不出来了</s>
<time>1497_00:46:39,086 --> 00:46:40,166</time>
<s>它是一定偶然性的意外的东西</s>
<time>1498_00:46:40,526 --> 00:46:42,686</time>
<s>这就是西方有的哲学家</s>
<time>1499_00:46:43,046 --> 00:46:44,486</time>
<s>就研究这个笑的原因</s>
<time>1500_00:46:44,846 --> 00:46:46,286</time>
<s>我就记得我看过一个哲学家</s>
<time>1501_00:46:46,646 --> 00:46:47,366</time>
<s>他说得挺有意思</s>
<time>1502_00:46:47,726 --> 00:46:49,882</time>
<s>他说当你笑的时候</s>
<time>1503_00:46:50,242 --> 00:46:51,682</time>
<s>感情是不在的</s>
<time>1504_00:46:52,042 --> 00:46:53,842</time>
<s>感情一在你就不笑</s>
<time>1505_00:46:54,202 --> 00:46:54,562</time>
<s>笑不出来对</s>
<time>1506_00:46:54,922 --> 00:46:56,362</time>
<s>就是说你比如说你看到</s>
<time>1507_00:46:56,722 --> 00:46:58,522</time>
<s>他摔倒了你如果是感同身受</s>
<time>1508_00:46:58,882 --> 00:46:59,590</time>
<s>你同情了</s>
<time>1509_00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:00,670</time>
<s>你就不会笑</s>
<time>1510_00:47:01,030 --> 00:47:03,190</time>
<s>对所以喜剧一定要很快</s>
<time>1511_00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:04,630</time>
<s>一开始就要跟观众</s>
<time>1512_00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:05,710</time>
<s>建立一个默契</s>
<time>1513_00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:07,510</time>
<s>就是说从现在开始</s>
<time>1514_00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:10,371</time>
<s>我们进入一个不正常的状态</s>
<time>1515_00:47:10,731 --> 00:47:11,451</time>
<s>在这个状态底下</s>
<time>1516_00:47:11,811 --> 00:47:12,531</time>
<s>你看到一个人摔倒了</s>
<time>1517_00:47:12,891 --> 00:47:13,611</time>
<s>你是可以笑的</s>
<time>1518_00:47:13,971 --> 00:47:14,691</time>
<s>看到一个什么呢</s>
<time>1519_00:47:15,051 --> 00:47:16,491</time>
<s>你不需要投入那种感情的</s>
<time>1520_00:47:16,851 --> 00:47:17,931</time>
<s>你需要把它当成</s>
<time>1521_00:47:18,291 --> 00:47:19,366</time>
<s>另一种东西来看</s>
<time>1522_00:47:19,726 --> 00:47:20,446</time>
<s>所以什么电影</s>
<time>1523_00:47:20,806 --> 00:47:21,886</time>
<s>什么电视剧类型电影</s>
<time>1524_00:47:22,246 --> 00:47:23,326</time>
<s>你要跟观众建立关系</s>
<time>1525_00:47:23,686 --> 00:47:24,046</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1526_00:47:24,406 --> 00:47:25,486</time>
<s>让别人把你当什么看</s>
<time>1527_00:47:25,846 --> 00:47:27,286</time>
<s>还有一种理论讲叫什么</s>
<time>1528_00:47:27,646 --> 00:47:29,434</time>
<s>就是紧张的解除</s>
<time>1529_00:47:29,794 --> 00:47:31,954</time>
<s>紧张就或者是你比如说</s>
<time>1530_00:47:32,314 --> 00:47:33,754</time>
<s>好比说我跟你对话</s>
<time>1531_00:47:34,114 --> 00:47:37,714</time>
<s>我说你看那个十年之后</s>
<time>1532_00:47:38,074 --> 00:47:39,495</time>
<s>我就在那个山顶</s>
<time>1533_00:47:39,855 --> 00:47:41,295</time>
<s>李嘉诚的别墅里</s>
<time>1534_00:47:41,655 --> 00:47:43,815</time>
<s>看着这个油麻地的你</s>
<time>1535_00:47:45,255 --> 00:47:46,335</time>
<s>结果你接一句呢</s>
<time>1536_00:47:46,695 --> 00:47:47,415</time>
<s>可能说对</s>
<time>1537_00:47:47,775 --> 00:47:48,135</time>
<s>你在李嘉诚的</s>
<time>1538_00:47:48,495 --> 00:47:50,290</time>
<s>佣人房里看着我</s>
<time>1539_00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:52,090</time>
<s>这个就是前一句话</s>
<time>1540_00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:53,890</time>
<s>好像确实是不是会有</s>
<time>1541_00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:56,050</time>
<s>他十年之后要成为李嘉诚</s>
<time>1542_00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:57,850</time>
<s>他积蓄起某种紧张</s>
<time>1543_00:47:58,210 --> 00:47:58,930</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>1544_00:47:59,290 --> 00:48:00,718</time>
<s>原来是当李嘉诚的佣人房里</s>
<time>1545_00:48:01,078 --> 00:48:01,438</time>
<s>峰回路转</s>
<time>1546_00:48:01,798 --> 00:48:02,158</time>
<s>是吧</s>
<time>1547_00:48:02,518 --> 00:48:02,878</time>
<s>这个是有一派</s>
<time>1548_00:48:03,238 --> 00:48:04,318</time>
<s>一解除就笑</s>
<time>1549_00:48:04,678 --> 00:48:06,118</time>
<s>您觉得有没有这个规律</s>
<time>1550_00:48:07,558 --> 00:48:08,638</time>
<s>那个是个小规律</s>
<time>1551_00:48:08,998 --> 00:48:09,698</time>
<s>并不是大规律</s>
<time>1552_00:48:10,058 --> 00:48:12,578</time>
<s>大规律还是攻击规范</s>
<time>1553_00:48:13,658 --> 00:48:14,738</time>
<s>攻击规范</s>
<time>1554_00:48:15,098 --> 00:48:18,338</time>
<s>比方说政治宗教性</s>
<time>1555_00:48:18,698 --> 00:48:20,134</time>
<s>就是三个最典型的规范</s>
<time>1556_00:48:21,934 --> 00:48:23,014</time>
<s>那你像在咱们国家</s>
<time>1557_00:48:23,374 --> 00:48:24,814</time>
<s>比较传统的这个国家</s>
<time>1558_00:48:25,174 --> 00:48:25,894</time>
<s>所以这三个</s>
<time>1559_00:48:26,254 --> 00:48:27,334</time>
<s>都不能够攻击的</s>
<time>1560_00:48:27,694 --> 00:48:28,054</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1561_00:48:28,414 --> 00:48:29,134</time>
<s>都不能碰的</s>
<time>1562_00:48:29,494 --> 00:48:30,561</time>
<s>那美国现在也不能碰</s>
<time>1563_00:48:30,921 --> 00:48:32,001</time>
<s>政治正确起来之后</s>
<time>1564_00:48:32,721 --> 00:48:33,801</time>
<s>对在我小的时候</s>
<time>1565_00:48:34,161 --> 00:48:35,241</time>
<s>很多就攻击自己</s>
<time>1566_00:48:35,601 --> 00:48:37,041</time>
<s>要么是攻击残疾人也特别多</s>
<time>1567_00:48:37,401 --> 00:48:38,841</time>
<s>现在也不可以对</s>
<time>1568_00:48:39,201 --> 00:48:40,261</time>
<s>所以我现在有时候想起来</s>
<time>1569_00:48:40,621 --> 00:48:43,861</time>
<s>当年侯宝林马三立</s>
<time>1570_00:48:44,221 --> 00:48:46,021</time>
<s>这为什么是大师</s>
<time>1571_00:48:46,381 --> 00:48:47,461</time>
<s>我觉得是太不容易了</s>
<time>1572_00:48:47,821 --> 00:48:48,541</time>
<s>就是说他</s>
<time>1573_00:48:48,901 --> 00:48:49,977</time>
<s>你比如那个时候他们也不能</s>
<time>1574_00:48:50,337 --> 00:48:52,857</time>
<s>要把相声从低俗里解救出来</s>
<time>1575_00:48:53,217 --> 00:48:56,097</time>
<s>那所有这些个涉及低俗的</s>
<time>1576_00:48:56,457 --> 00:48:57,537</time>
<s>他不能要</s>
<time>1577_00:48:57,897 --> 00:48:58,617</time>
<s>但不能要仍然能</s>
<time>1578_00:48:58,977 --> 00:49:00,044</time>
<s>比如说《关公战秦琼》</s>
<time>1579_00:49:00,404 --> 00:49:00,764</time>
<s>或者什么</s>
<time>1580_00:49:01,124 --> 00:49:02,924</time>
<s>他仍然能让人笑</s>
<time>1581_00:49:03,284 --> 00:49:03,644</time>
<s>他这个里边</s>
<time>1582_00:49:04,004 --> 00:49:05,084</time>
<s>找到的有些规律</s>
<time>1583_00:49:05,444 --> 00:49:06,884</time>
<s>我觉得有些时候笑</s>
<time>1584_00:49:07,244 --> 00:49:08,684</time>
<s>要不说他说跟表演有关系</s>
<time>1585_00:49:09,044 --> 00:49:09,764</time>
<s>我很相信</s>
<time>1586_00:49:10,104 --> 00:49:11,544</time>
<s>其实同样郭德纲的相声</s>
<time>1587_00:49:11,904 --> 00:49:12,984</time>
<s>不是郭德纲说</s>
<time>1588_00:49:13,344 --> 00:49:13,704</time>
<s>就不一定有这个效果</s>
<time>1589_00:49:14,064 --> 00:49:14,424</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1590_00:49:14,784 --> 00:49:15,864</time>
<s>甚至有些表演当中</s>
<time>1591_00:49:16,224 --> 00:49:18,744</time>
<s>有些非常微妙的节奏点</s>
<time>1592_00:49:19,104 --> 00:49:19,824</time>
<s>节奏太重要了</s>
<time>1593_00:49:20,179 --> 00:49:20,539</time>
<s>你比如说哪怕是</s>
<time>1594_00:49:20,899 --> 00:49:22,339</time>
<s>这个捧眼的这个于谦</s>
<time>1595_00:49:22,699 --> 00:49:23,419</time>
<s>嗯这么一声</s>
<time>1596_00:49:23,779 --> 00:49:24,139</time>
<s>他这嗯这一声</s>
<time>1597_00:49:24,499 --> 00:49:27,019</time>
<s>就像是这个打到了鼓点</s>
<time>1598_00:49:27,379 --> 00:49:28,099</time>
<s>嗯对了你就乐了</s>
<time>1599_00:49:28,819 --> 00:49:30,606</time>
<s>嗯得慢一点就不乐</s>
<time>1600_00:49:30,966 --> 00:49:31,686</time>
<s>你解了我一个困感阅果冰看理想！</s>
<time>1601_00:49:32,046 --> 00:49:33,846</time>
<s>我一个朋友讲那个脱口秀的</s>
<time>1602_00:49:34,926 --> 00:49:36,726</time>
<s>他说不是一个演员</s>
<time>1603_00:49:37,446 --> 00:49:37,806</time>
<s>讲了一句笑话</s>
<time>1604_00:49:38,886 --> 00:49:39,246</time>
<s>是一个好笑的演员</s>
<time>1605_00:49:39,606 --> 00:49:39,966</time>
<s>讲了一句话</s>
<time>1606_00:49:41,386 --> 00:49:41,746</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>1607_00:49:42,466 --> 00:49:42,826</time>
<s>后来你这么一说我明自</s>
<time>1608_00:49:43,906 --> 00:49:44,266</time>
<s>其实是表演</s>
<time>1609_00:49:44,626 --> 00:49:44,986</time>
<s>他的那个气场</s>
<time>1610_00:49:45,346 --> 00:49:46,786</time>
<s>喜剧演员就是</s>
<time>1611_00:49:47,146 --> 00:49:49,666</time>
<s>得到了一个牌照</s>
<time>1612_00:49:50,026 --> 00:49:52,540</time>
<s>就是观众会对你笑</s>
<time>1613_00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:55,780</time>
<s>并不是谁说一个笑话</s>
<time>1614_00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:57,220</time>
<s>我都会笑的</s>
<time>1615_00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:59,020</time>
<s>你拿出那个牌照来</s>
<time>1616_00:49:59,380 --> 00:50:00,448</time>
<s>你是沈腾我笑了</s>
<time>1617_00:50:02,248 --> 00:50:03,688</time>
<s>但是你觉不觉得还有另一种</s>
<time>1618_00:50:04,048 --> 00:50:06,208</time>
<s>就是人们所说的这个幽默</s>
<time>1619_00:50:06,568 --> 00:50:06,928</time>
<s>因为今天呢</s>
<time>1620_00:50:07,288 --> 00:50:08,728</time>
<s>我也看到有些文化人</s>
<time>1621_00:50:09,088 --> 00:50:10,507</time>
<s>经常爱发这种牢骚</s>
<time>1622_00:50:10,867 --> 00:50:12,307</time>
<s>说今天的这个观众</s>
<time>1623_00:50:12,667 --> 00:50:15,907</time>
<s>他们这个感受幽默的能力好像在</s>
<time>1624_00:50:16,267 --> 00:50:17,347</time>
<s>理解能力在下降</s>
<time>1625_00:50:17,707 --> 00:50:18,067</time>
<s>就我说这个</s>
<time>1626_00:50:18,427 --> 00:50:19,507</time>
<s>因为语言的幽默很多是</s>
<time>1627_00:50:19,867 --> 00:50:21,662</time>
<s>需要拐着弯听我这个话</s>
<time>1628_00:50:22,022 --> 00:50:23,822</time>
<s>那就是问题就在那儿了</s>
<time>1629_00:50:24,182 --> 00:50:24,902</time>
<s>拐着弯嘛</s>
<time>1630_00:50:25,262 --> 00:50:27,062</time>
<s>那个弯是不是同步拐</s>
<time>1631_00:50:28,862 --> 00:50:30,649</time>
<s>你这是大众传播</s>
<time>1632_00:50:31,009 --> 00:50:31,369</time>
<s>电影是</s>
<time>1633_00:50:33,529 --> 00:50:34,969</time>
<s>你同时有十万人</s>
<time>1634_00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:36,409</time>
<s>一百万人看的</s>
<time>1635_00:50:36,769 --> 00:50:38,569</time>
<s>那十万一百万人</s>
<time>1636_00:50:38,929 --> 00:50:41,428</time>
<s>是不是同时拐那个弯</s>
<time>1637_00:50:41,788 --> 00:50:42,508</time>
<s>那就不笑了</s>
<time>1638_00:50:44,668 --> 00:50:46,468</time>
<s>所以说还是一个跟</s>
<time>1639_00:50:46,828 --> 00:50:48,628</time>
<s>跟大多数的一个关系的问题</s>
<time>1640_00:50:48,988 --> 00:50:50,782</time>
<s>对这才是大众传播</s>
<time>1641_00:50:51,142 --> 00:50:51,862</time>
<s>大众传播就是</s>
<time>1642_00:50:52,222 --> 00:50:54,742</time>
<s>同时到一个点同时笑</s>
<time>1643_00:50:55,102 --> 00:50:56,182</time>
<s>互相共振</s>
<time>1644_00:50:56,542 --> 00:50:59,062</time>
<s>那就全院疯狂笑</s>
<time>1645_00:50:59,422 --> 00:51:00,849</time>
<s>那我还想再问</s>
<time>1646_00:51:01,209 --> 00:51:03,009</time>
<s>你像晶哥现在这几年</s>
<time>1647_00:51:03,369 --> 00:51:04,809</time>
<s>你不拍喜剧了</s>
<time>1648_00:51:05,169 --> 00:51:06,249</time>
<s>那像这样的电影</s>
<time>1649_00:51:06,609 --> 00:51:06,969</time>
<s>你在拍的时候</s>
<time>1650_00:51:07,329 --> 00:51:09,489</time>
<s>又是在内地这么情况下拍的时候</s>
<time>1651_00:51:09,849 --> 00:51:11,988</time>
<s>你是不是觉得跟以前拍香港</s>
<time>1652_00:51:12,348 --> 00:51:13,068</time>
<s>纯粹的香港电影</s>
<time>1653_00:51:13,428 --> 00:51:14,148</time>
<s>是完全不同的东西</s>
<time>1654_00:51:15,948 --> 00:51:17,748</time>
<s>立场不同就行了</s>
<time>1655_00:51:18,108 --> 00:51:18,828</time>
<s>实际上都一样的</s>
<time>1656_00:51:19,908 --> 00:51:21,342</time>
<s>你表达一个故事</s>
<time>1657_00:51:21,702 --> 00:51:22,422</time>
<s>从一个什么方向</s>
<time>1658_00:51:22,782 --> 00:51:26,382</time>
<s>以前麦当雄最喜欢男盗女娟</s>
<time>1659_00:51:26,742 --> 00:51:30,702</time>
<s>就是他一定是按那个反派</s>
<time>1660_00:51:31,049 --> 00:51:34,649</time>
<s>犯罪那些人的主观线</s>
<time>1661_00:51:35,009 --> 00:51:36,449</time>
<s>去写整个事情</s>
<time>1662_00:51:36,809 --> 00:51:40,409</time>
<s>警察都是挣拧的都是坏人</s>
<time>1663_00:51:40,769 --> 00:51:41,828</time>
<s>警察反而是坏人</s>
<time>1664_00:51:42,188 --> 00:51:42,548</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>1665_00:51:44,348 --> 00:51:45,788</time>
<s>但是一个方法</s>
<time>1666_00:51:46,148 --> 00:51:46,508</time>
<s>可是没关系</s>
<time>1667_00:51:46,868 --> 00:51:50,468</time>
<s>我们从正的来写</s>
<time>1668_00:51:50,828 --> 00:51:54,062</time>
<s>我们从司法机关的立场</s>
<time>1669_00:51:54,422 --> 00:51:56,942</time>
<s>从他们的角度来写一样好看</s>
<time>1670_00:51:57,302 --> 00:51:58,742</time>
<s>还是写一个同样的故事</s>
<time>1671_00:52:00,542 --> 00:52:03,048</time>
<s>可能对一些特别追求官能刺激的</s>
<time>1672_00:52:03,408 --> 00:52:06,288</time>
<s>会麦当雄那种会</s>
<time>1673_00:52:06,648 --> 00:52:08,088</time>
<s>他们觉得是爽一点</s>
<time>1674_00:52:08,448 --> 00:52:09,888</time>
<s>可是大部分的观众</s>
<time>1675_00:52:10,248 --> 00:52:14,187</time>
<s>还是会喜欢看正的这边去写的</s>
<time>1676_00:52:14,547 --> 00:52:17,427</time>
<s>等于一直有一两个</s>
<time>1677_00:52:17,787 --> 00:52:19,587</time>
<s>你所说的那种影评人</s>
<time>1678_00:52:19,947 --> 00:52:24,621</time>
<s>在那些就是网上老说</s>
<time>1679_00:52:24,981 --> 00:52:28,581</time>
<s>《追龙》比《跛豪》差得远了</s>
<time>1680_00:52:28,941 --> 00:52:30,021</time>
<s>那当然我没有叶子帽</s>
<time>1681_00:52:32,527 --> 00:52:34,327</time>
<s>它就是少了个叶子而已</s>
<time>1682_00:52:34,687 --> 00:52:36,847</time>
<s>就没有那种色情低俗</s>
<time>1683_00:52:37,207 --> 00:52:39,007</time>
<s>没有那种东西而已</s>
<time>1684_00:52:39,727 --> 00:52:40,807</time>
<s>所以当导演</s>
<time>1685_00:52:41,167 --> 00:52:43,306</time>
<s>我现在觉得真的是</s>
<time>1686_00:52:43,666 --> 00:52:44,746</time>
<s>过去我们不愿意相信说</s>
<time>1687_00:52:45,106 --> 00:52:46,906</time>
<s>电影是一盘生意对吧</s>
<time>1688_00:52:47,266 --> 00:52:48,346</time>
<s>可是实际上你看</s>
<time>1689_00:52:48,706 --> 00:52:50,146</time>
<s>它跟一般的画家作家</s>
<time>1690_00:52:50,506 --> 00:52:51,226</time>
<s>可真不一样</s>
<time>1691_00:52:51,579 --> 00:52:51,939</time>
<s>不一样</s>
<time>1692_00:52:52,299 --> 00:52:54,099</time>
<s>他脑子里得多少算计</s>
<time>1693_00:52:54,459 --> 00:52:56,619</time>
<s>你少了艺术家的激情也不行对吗</s>
<time>1694_00:52:56,979 --> 00:52:59,859</time>
<s>但是包括政策法律</s>
<time>1695_00:53:00,219 --> 00:53:01,645</time>
<s>文化风俗</s>
<time>1696_00:53:02,005 --> 00:53:03,805</time>
<s>这个香港这个地方</s>
<time>1697_00:53:04,165 --> 00:53:06,685</time>
<s>和内地这个地方不同观众</s>
<time>1698_00:53:07,045 --> 00:53:08,125</time>
<s>他得算多少</s>
<time>1699_00:53:08,485 --> 00:53:10,645</time>
<s>包括这个投资</s>
<time>1700_00:53:11,005 --> 00:53:13,144</time>
<s>你有没有像有些导演那样</s>
<time>1701_00:53:13,504 --> 00:53:14,944</time>
<s>你比如说我想拍一个戏</s>
<time>1702_00:53:15,304 --> 00:53:16,384</time>
<s>超支我也要拍</s>
<time>1703_00:53:17,104 --> 00:53:18,544</time>
<s>我心中的那个结果</s>
<time>1704_00:53:21,064 --> 00:53:22,497</time>
<s>看我是会计算</s>
<time>1705_00:53:23,577 --> 00:53:25,017</time>
<s>超多少能得到多少</s>
<time>1706_00:53:26,817 --> 00:53:28,977</time>
<s>在你心中没有一个理想的电影</s>
<time>1707_00:53:29,337 --> 00:53:30,777</time>
<s>我觉得没有电影是理想的</s>
<time>1708_00:53:33,283 --> 00:53:35,443</time>
<s>没有说我这一辈子电影生涯</s>
<time>1709_00:53:35,803 --> 00:53:36,523</time>
<s>我要有一部作品</s>
<time>1710_00:53:37,603 --> 00:53:38,683</time>
<s>足慰此生</s>
<time>1711_00:53:39,763 --> 00:53:41,203</time>
<s>到目前为止</s>
<time>1712_00:53:41,563 --> 00:53:44,421</time>
<s>我此生看过的只有《教父》</s>
<time>1713_00:53:44,781 --> 00:53:46,581</time>
<s>是到现在都找不出</s>
<time>1714_00:53:46,941 --> 00:53:48,021</time>
<s>很多错处的一部电影</s>
<time>1715_00:53:48,381 --> 00:53:51,621</time>
<s>其他时间会令你失效</s>
<time>1716_00:53:53,775 --> 00:53:55,575</time>
<s>你当年好得不得了</s>
<time>1717_00:53:55,935 --> 00:53:57,375</time>
<s>现在你看《复仇者联盟》</s>
<time>1718_00:53:58,455 --> 00:53:58,815</time>
<s>二十年后看</s>
<time>1719_00:53:59,175 --> 00:53:59,895</time>
<s>大家当笑片看</s>
<time>1720_00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,480</time>
<s>一定</s>
<time>1721_00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,720</time>
<s>二十年后的小孩拿出来看</s>
<time>1722_00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:08,520</time>
<s>就等于今天年轻人</s>
<time>1723_00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,600</time>
<s>看我小时候很喜欢</s>
<time>1724_00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:10,320</time>
<s>《星球大战》一村</s>
