<time>1_00:00:34,934 --> 00:00:37,094</time>
<s>今天咱们欢迎日本来客</s>
<time>2_00:00:37,454 --> 00:00:38,534</time>
<s>但却是咱们中国人</s>
<time>3_00:00:39,974 --> 00:00:40,676</time>
<s>蒋丰先生</s>
<time>4_00:00:41,036 --> 00:00:41,396</time>
<s>蒋丰老师</s>
<time>5_00:00:41,756 --> 00:00:42,476</time>
<s>谢谢谢谢</s>
<time>6_00:00:42,836 --> 00:00:43,196</time>
<s>要在日本</s>
<time>7_00:00:43,556 --> 00:00:44,996</time>
<s>他们就叫你蒋桑是吧</s>
<time>8_00:00:45,716 --> 00:00:46,076</time>
<s>蒋达</s>
<time>9_00:00:47,156 --> 00:00:47,516</time>
<s>我也是蒋去</s>
<time>10_00:00:47,876 --> 00:00:48,596</time>
<s>因为她是本家</s>
<time>11_00:00:48,956 --> 00:00:50,036</time>
<s>就在日本待过一年</s>
<time>12_00:00:50,393 --> 00:00:51,833</time>
<s>今天二蒋一马</s>
<time>13_00:00:52,193 --> 00:00:53,993</time>
<s>蒋老师您甬看是日本通了</s>
<time>14_00:00:54,353 --> 00:00:55,433</time>
<s>在日本多年</s>
<time>15_00:00:55,793 --> 00:00:57,233</time>
<s>但是根儿正苗红</s>
<time>16_00:00:57,593 --> 00:00:59,033</time>
<s>咱们《人民日报》海外版</s>
<time>17_00:00:59,393 --> 00:01:00,462</time>
<s>叫《日本月刊》</s>
<time>18_00:01:00,822 --> 00:01:01,902</time>
<s>你看蒋老师这模样</s>
<time>19_00:01:02,262 --> 00:01:03,342</time>
<s>跟日本首相似的</s>
<time>20_00:01:03,702 --> 00:01:05,142</time>
<s>他真是采访日本首相</s>
<time>21_00:01:05,502 --> 00:01:06,582</time>
<s>采访了好几百个了</s>
<time>22_00:01:07,302 --> 00:01:07,662</time>
<s>日本首相</s>
<time>23_00:01:08,022 --> 00:01:09,462</time>
<s>日本前首相采访了6个</s>
<time>24_00:01:09,822 --> 00:01:10,524</time>
<s>6个</s>
<time>25_00:01:11,244 --> 00:01:13,404</time>
<s>但日本国会议员采访了一百多个</s>
<time>26_00:01:13,764 --> 00:01:15,204</time>
<s>总共没几百个</s>
<time>27_00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:19,164</time>
<s>人家是716个国会议员</s>
<time>28_00:01:19,524 --> 00:01:20,601</time>
<s>我大概就采访了有160多个</s>
<time>29_00:01:22,041 --> 00:01:23,481</time>
<s>他们的国会议员不多嘛</s>
<time>30_00:01:24,201 --> 00:01:26,721</time>
<s>咱们人大和政协加起来快一万人了</s>
<time>31_00:01:27,441 --> 00:01:28,881</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>32_00:01:29,241 --> 00:01:30,670</time>
<s>但是最近这个日本方向</s>
<time>33_00:01:31,030 --> 00:01:32,110</time>
<s>传到咱们中国来</s>
<time>34_00:01:32,470 --> 00:01:33,910</time>
<s>这个大家最议论纷纷的新闻</s>
<time>35_00:01:34,270 --> 00:01:36,070</time>
<s>倒不是在政界</s>
<time>36_00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:38,230</time>
<s>而是在这个娱乐界</s>
<time>37_00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:39,310</time>
<s>是吧</s>
<time>38_00:01:39,670 --> 00:01:42,171</time>
<s>咱们这个大导演北野武</s>
<time>39_00:01:42,531 --> 00:01:43,251</time>
<s>这个北野武</s>
<time>40_00:01:43,611 --> 00:01:45,051</time>
<s>我挺喜欢这哥们儿</s>
<time>41_00:01:45,411 --> 00:01:48,651</time>
<s>72岁老头儿了是吧</s>
<time>42_00:01:49,011 --> 00:01:50,091</time>
<s>而且方舟你介绍一下</s>
<time>43_00:01:50,451 --> 00:01:51,528</time>
<s>你觉得北野武</s>
<time>44_00:01:51,888 --> 00:01:53,328</time>
<s>你给不知道北野武的朋友</s>
<time>45_00:01:53,688 --> 00:01:54,768</time>
<s>怎么介绍他</s>
<time>46_00:01:55,128 --> 00:01:56,568</time>
<s>他就是全能艺人吧</s>
<time>47_00:01:56,928 --> 00:01:57,648</time>
<s>我觉得就是</s>
<time>48_00:01:58,008 --> 00:01:58,728</time>
<s>因为他不仅是导演</s>
<time>49_00:01:59,088 --> 00:02:00,528</time>
<s>然后他演员</s>
<time>50_00:02:00,877 --> 00:02:03,397</time>
<s>他还是主持搞笑节目画画</s>
<time>51_00:02:03,757 --> 00:02:04,117</time>
<s>就是你就觉得</s>
<time>52_00:02:04,477 --> 00:02:06,277</time>
<s>他好像什么都会</s>
<time>53_00:02:06,637 --> 00:02:07,357</time>
<s>然后什么都做</s>
<time>54_00:02:07,717 --> 00:02:08,437</time>
<s>就是全能艺人</s>
<time>55_00:02:08,797 --> 00:02:10,237</time>
<s>我觉得就等于他是一</s>
<time>56_00:02:10,597 --> 00:02:10,938</time>
<s>还是作家</s>
<time>57_00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:11,658</time>
<s>日本的姜文</s>
<time>58_00:02:12,018 --> 00:02:13,818</time>
<s>加上日本的郭德纲</s>
<time>59_00:02:14,178 --> 00:02:15,978</time>
<s>漫才它是日本的相声</s>
<time>60_00:02:16,338 --> 00:02:16,698</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>61_00:02:17,058 --> 00:02:18,138</time>
<s>而且那个就是说</s>
<time>62_00:02:18,498 --> 00:02:20,298</time>
<s>这还是一大哥你知道吗</s>
<time>63_00:02:20,658 --> 00:02:21,734</time>
<s>当年出过</s>
<time>64_00:02:22,094 --> 00:02:23,534</time>
<s>这个肯定是个性情中人</s>
<time>65_00:02:23,894 --> 00:02:25,694</time>
<s>就是当年他最有名的事</s>
<time>66_00:02:26,054 --> 00:02:27,494</time>
<s>就是《FRIDAY》那个事件</s>
<time>67_00:02:27,854 --> 00:02:29,654</time>
<s>您说日本这个国家</s>
<time>68_00:02:30,014 --> 00:02:31,803</time>
<s>咱们平常对日本人的印象</s>
<time>69_00:02:32,163 --> 00:02:34,683</time>
<s>它怎么会出一北野武这号人物呢</s>
<time>70_00:02:35,043 --> 00:02:35,763</time>
<s>我觉得他其实</s>
<time>71_00:02:36,123 --> 00:02:37,563</time>
<s>他这一号人物不少</s>
<time>72_00:02:37,923 --> 00:02:39,003</time>
<s>七十二又离婚</s>
<time>73_00:02:39,363 --> 00:02:41,144</time>
<s>然后自已基本上是净身出门</s>
<time>74_00:02:41,504 --> 00:02:43,664</time>
<s>这是没有点勇气也做不到的</s>
<time>75_00:02:44,024 --> 00:02:45,824</time>
<s>好像给他老婆留了两百亿日元</s>
<time>76_00:02:46,184 --> 00:02:46,544</time>
<s>还有更重要的是</s>
<time>77_00:02:46,904 --> 00:02:47,624</time>
<s>其实你看他的成长经历</s>
<time>78_00:02:47,984 --> 00:02:49,064</time>
<s>他是反叛长出来的</s>
<time>79_00:02:49,424 --> 00:02:50,504</time>
<s>咱们讲他是在家</s>
<time>80_00:02:50,864 --> 00:02:52,300</time>
<s>他是在他妈那鸡毛掸子下面</s>
<time>81_00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:53,740</time>
<s>长出来的人你知道吗</s>
<time>82_00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:55,540</time>
<s>所以他这种反叛的性格的人</s>
<time>83_00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:56,620</time>
<s>他要如果没有这个</s>
<time>84_00:02:56,980 --> 00:02:58,420</time>
<s>他就没有激情没有动力</s>
<time>85_00:02:58,780 --> 00:02:59,860</time>
<s>他这种人就会死掉的</s>
<time>86_00:03:00,220 --> 00:03:02,009</time>
<s>我怎么看着您好像都有那种激情</s>
<time>87_00:03:04,529 --> 00:03:05,249</time>
<s>我差点就说我跟他很像</s>
<time>88_00:03:07,409 --> 00:03:08,129</time>
<s>因为北野武是这样</s>
<time>89_00:03:08,489 --> 00:03:09,929</time>
<s>他的爸爸好像是一个油漆工</s>
<time>90_00:03:10,289 --> 00:03:11,350</time>
<s>然后他妈妈是</s>
<time>91_00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:13,150</time>
<s>总是幻想自己有高贵的出身</s>
<time>92_00:03:13,510 --> 00:03:14,950</time>
<s>怎么嫁给他爸爸这个窝囊废</s>
<time>93_00:03:15,310 --> 00:03:17,110</time>
<s>所以就对他的期待特别高</s>
<time>94_00:03:17,470 --> 00:03:18,550</time>
<s>好像从小就对这个北野武</s>
<time>95_00:03:18,910 --> 00:03:19,270</time>
<s>要求特别高</s>
<time>96_00:03:19,630 --> 00:03:19,990</time>
<s>所以成了嘛</s>
<time>97_00:03:20,350 --> 00:03:21,070</time>
<s>你看还是成了</s>
<time>98_00:03:21,426 --> 00:03:22,506</time>
<s>但是他从小就很厌恶</s>
<time>99_00:03:22,866 --> 00:03:23,586</time>
<s>好像父母的管制</s>
<time>100_00:03:23,946 --> 00:03:25,026</time>
<s>我觉得天才挡不住的</s>
<time>101_00:03:25,386 --> 00:03:26,466</time>
<s>他这个东西真的</s>
<time>102_00:03:26,826 --> 00:03:27,906</time>
<s>你说他文化有多高</s>
<time>103_00:03:28,266 --> 00:03:28,986</time>
<s>好像也没觉得</s>
<time>104_00:03:29,346 --> 00:03:30,066</time>
<s>然后好家伙</s>
<time>105_00:03:30,426 --> 00:03:32,574</time>
<s>黑泽明把他当成自己的传承人</s>
<time>106_00:03:32,934 --> 00:03:35,454</time>
<s>就是说一拍一电影《花火》嘛</s>
<time>107_00:03:35,814 --> 00:03:36,534</time>
<s>本来人本行</s>
<time>108_00:03:36,894 --> 00:03:38,334</time>
<s>是个电视上的娱乐明星</s>
<time>109_00:03:38,694 --> 00:03:39,774</time>
<s>特像郭德纲</s>
<time>110_00:03:40,494 --> 00:03:41,555</time>
<s>我在日本印象特别深刻</s>
<time>111_00:03:41,915 --> 00:03:42,995</time>
<s>就是他那年出事的时候</s>
<time>112_00:03:43,355 --> 00:03:44,435</time>
<s>骑摩托车撞人</s>
<time>113_00:03:44,795 --> 00:03:46,595</time>
<s>这个然后又形成面瘫是吧</s>
<time>114_00:03:46,955 --> 00:03:47,675</time>
<s>然后一开始就是说</s>
<time>115_00:03:48,035 --> 00:03:49,475</time>
<s>这是交通事故根本不是</s>
<time>116_00:03:49,835 --> 00:03:51,275</time>
<s>其实那就是泡妞</s>
<time>117_00:03:51,631 --> 00:03:53,431</time>
<s>那是当时日本有一个女孩子</s>
<time>118_00:03:53,791 --> 00:03:54,871</time>
<s>叫细川</s>
<time>119_00:03:55,231 --> 00:03:57,031</time>
<s>然后一下子就火起来了</s>
<time>120_00:03:57,391 --> 00:03:58,471</time>
<s>他就是拿摩托车就去追人家</s>
<time>121_00:03:58,831 --> 00:04:00,271</time>
<s>最后自己才出了交通事故</s>
<time>122_00:04:00,631 --> 00:04:02,059</time>
<s>是为这件事情出的</s>
<time>123_00:04:02,419 --> 00:04:03,859</time>
<s>然后不能公开这件事情</s>
<time>124_00:04:04,219 --> 00:04:04,939</time>
<s>把脸摔瘫了</s>
<time>125_00:04:05,299 --> 00:04:05,659</time>
<s>对啊面瘫</s>
<time>126_00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:07,819</time>
<s>而且就是你说</s>
<time>127_00:04:08,179 --> 00:04:09,259</time>
<s>他在这次我发现</s>
<time>128_00:04:09,619 --> 00:04:11,059</time>
<s>真是在咱们中国这个传统国家</s>
<time>129_00:04:11,419 --> 00:04:14,280</time>
<s>我估计马爷肯定心里掂量好几回</s>
<time>130_00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,720</time>
<s>七十二岁</s>
<time>131_00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,880</time>
<s>刚才方舟说两百亿日元</s>
<time>132_00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,555</time>
<s>必须算算是12.77亿人民币</s>
<time>133_00:04:22,915 --> 00:04:24,715</time>
<s>净身出户</s>
<time>134_00:04:25,075 --> 00:04:26,155</time>
<s>自己就留了个五千万</s>
<time>135_00:04:26,515 --> 00:04:27,955</time>
<s>大概价值五千万的房子</s>
<time>136_00:04:28,315 --> 00:04:31,195</time>
<s>就给他这个现在叫前妻了</s>
<time>137_00:04:31,555 --> 00:04:33,343</time>
<s>他前妻叫干子是吧</s>
<time>138_00:04:34,063 --> 00:04:34,783</time>
<s>干子对</s>
<time>139_00:04:35,143 --> 00:04:37,303</time>
<s>俩人闹离婚闹了几十年</s>
<time>140_00:04:37,663 --> 00:04:38,023</time>
<s>闹几十年了对</s>
<time>141_00:04:38,383 --> 00:04:39,103</time>
<s>就不离</s>
<time>142_00:04:39,463 --> 00:04:40,903</time>
<s>不离实际早就分居了</s>
<time>143_00:04:41,263 --> 00:04:43,764</time>
<s>然后各搞甚至各找各的</s>
<time>144_00:04:44,124 --> 00:04:46,284</time>
<s>现在终于宣布我就</s>
<time>145_00:04:46,644 --> 00:04:48,084</time>
<s>他曾经提出过一个多少亿</s>
<time>146_00:04:48,444 --> 00:04:49,164</time>
<s>一百亿日元</s>
<time>147_00:04:49,524 --> 00:04:51,324</time>
<s>他老婆没答应</s>
<time>148_00:04:51,684 --> 00:04:53,839</time>
<s>到现在就是全部家产</s>
<time>149_00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:55,999</time>
<s>然后这一下</s>
<time>150_00:04:56,359 --> 00:04:57,439</time>
<s>跟他的那个情人</s>
<time>151_00:04:59,239 --> 00:05:01,039</time>
<s>说要一起过下去</s>
<time>152_00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:01,759</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>153_00:05:02,107 --> 00:05:02,827</time>
<s>你看我给你看一照片</s>
<time>154_00:05:03,187 --> 00:05:04,267</time>
<s>可以表达他现在的心情</s>
<time>155_00:05:05,347 --> 00:05:06,787</time>
<s>他现在我听你这个</s>
<time>156_00:05:07,507 --> 00:05:08,947</time>
<s>我原来我还认为</s>
<time>157_00:05:09,307 --> 00:05:10,387</time>
<s>他还挺伟大的</s>
<time>158_00:05:10,747 --> 00:05:12,887</time>
<s>就是说净身出户把东西都给老婆</s>
<time>159_00:05:13,247 --> 00:05:14,687</time>
<s>闹了半天是老婆不同意</s>
<time>160_00:05:15,047 --> 00:05:16,487</time>
<s>那这个事是一出于无奈</s>
<time>161_00:05:17,567 --> 00:05:18,647</time>
<s>这就打一折扣</s>
<time>162_00:05:19,007 --> 00:05:21,167</time>
<s>但是你一开始说错一个事</s>
<time>163_00:05:21,527 --> 00:05:22,243</time>
<s>你说他是个老</s>
<time>164_00:05:22,603 --> 00:05:23,683</time>
<s>他七十二岁不老</s>
<time>165_00:05:24,043 --> 00:05:25,123</time>
<s>日本人活一百多岁很正常</s>
<time>166_00:05:25,483 --> 00:05:26,563</time>
<s>马爷对这个比较敏感</s>
<time>167_00:05:28,363 --> 00:05:29,083</time>
<s>他不老</s>
<time>168_00:05:29,443 --> 00:05:30,883</time>
<s>对不对日本人从明年开始</s>
<time>169_00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:33,390</time>
<s>是一个京都大学诺奖这个获得者</s>
<time>170_00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:34,830</time>
<s>研究干细胞的这个</s>
<time>171_00:05:35,190 --> 00:05:36,270</time>
<s>在日本全国普及</s>
<time>172_00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:38,790</time>
<s>山中伸弥</s>
<time>173_00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:39,510</time>
<s>这全国普及以后</s>
<time>174_00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:41,310</time>
<s>全国普及之前</s>
<time>175_00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:42,370</time>
<s>日本政府挂出了一个</s>
<time>176_00:05:42,730 --> 00:05:43,450</time>
<s>人生百年办公室</s>
<time>177_00:05:44,530 --> 00:05:45,970</time>
<s>人家安倍晋三排出来的</s>
<time>178_00:05:46,330 --> 00:05:47,770</time>
<s>这个细胞只要一移植了以后</s>
<time>179_00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:49,570</time>
<s>就是人生百年跟小菜一样</s>
<time>180_00:05:51,010 --> 00:05:51,370</time>
<s>这方面</s>
<time>181_00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:52,805</time>
<s>从什么时候开始</s>
<time>182_00:05:53,165 --> 00:05:53,525</time>
<s>明年</s>
<time>183_00:05:53,885 --> 00:05:55,325</time>
<s>明年还有半年</s>
<time>184_00:05:56,045 --> 00:05:57,125</time>
<s>对所以您得想办法</s>
<time>185_00:05:57,485 --> 00:05:59,645</time>
<s>明年到日本去移植这个打这个</s>
<time>186_00:06:00,005 --> 00:06:01,805</time>
<s>人家这个是作为国策</s>
<time>187_00:06:02,165 --> 00:06:03,593</time>
<s>来推的这个公司来普及的</s>
<time>188_00:06:03,953 --> 00:06:04,313</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>189_00:06:04,673 --> 00:06:05,753</time>
<s>马爷近些年特别担心的</s>
<time>190_00:06:06,113 --> 00:06:06,833</time>
<s>我知道有一个</s>
<time>191_00:06:07,193 --> 00:06:07,913</time>
<s>就是他怕死的问题</s>
<time>192_00:06:08,273 --> 00:06:09,713</time>
<s>老爱活着</s>
<time>193_00:06:10,073 --> 00:06:10,793</time>
<s>马爷你去日本</s>
<time>194_00:06:11,153 --> 00:06:12,573</time>
<s>可以像北野武一样活着</s>
<time>195_00:06:13,653 --> 00:06:15,453</time>
<s>就是要不断地谈恋爱</s>
<time>196_00:06:15,813 --> 00:06:17,973</time>
<s>不是那你得这个体力跟得上</s>
<time>197_00:06:19,773 --> 00:06:20,853</time>
<s>这个精力体力都得跟得上</s>
<time>198_00:06:21,213 --> 00:06:22,648</time>
<s>他这个七十二岁</s>
<time>199_00:06:23,008 --> 00:06:24,448</time>
<s>如果说随便活过一百岁</s>
<time>200_00:06:24,808 --> 00:06:25,528</time>
<s>那后面三十年</s>
<time>201_00:06:25,888 --> 00:06:26,248</time>
<s>这个再慢慢挣吧</s>
<time>202_00:06:26,608 --> 00:06:27,688</time>
<s>他这么大的名气</s>
<time>203_00:06:28,048 --> 00:06:29,128</time>
<s>而且通过这个事</s>
<time>204_00:06:29,488 --> 00:06:30,208</time>
<s>知名度又扩张</s>
<time>205_00:06:30,568 --> 00:06:30,928</time>
<s>而且像他这样的人</s>
<time>206_00:06:31,288 --> 00:06:33,075</time>
<s>是这个投资商后边追着</s>
<time>207_00:06:33,435 --> 00:06:34,155</time>
<s>所以人不怕</s>
<time>208_00:06:34,515 --> 00:06:34,875</time>
<s>追着投</s>
<time>209_00:06:35,235 --> 00:06:36,315</time>
<s>你上哪个地方</s>
<time>210_00:06:36,675 --> 00:06:38,475</time>
<s>哪个电视台愿意要你</s>
<time>211_00:06:39,195 --> 00:06:39,915</time>
<s>你的广告客户</s>
<time>212_00:06:40,275 --> 00:06:41,355</time>
<s>这都一直追着走</s>
<time>213_00:06:41,715 --> 00:06:42,435</time>
<s>所以他从来不发愁</s>
<time>214_00:06:42,775 --> 00:06:44,215</time>
<s>他老婆为什么不跟他离婚</s>
<time>215_00:06:44,575 --> 00:06:45,295</time>
<s>因为他是个印钞机</s>
<time>216_00:06:47,455 --> 00:06:48,175</time>
<s>我告诉你日本真好</s>
<time>217_00:06:48,535 --> 00:06:50,335</time>
<s>七十二岁了还电视台追着</s>
<time>218_00:06:50,695 --> 00:06:51,055</time>
<s>在中国</s>
<time>219_00:06:51,415 --> 00:06:52,849</time>
<s>七十二岁全给轰出电视台了</s>
<time>220_00:06:53,209 --> 00:06:53,929</time>
<s>你看这又是马爷比较敏感的问题</s>
<time>221_00:06:54,289 --> 00:06:54,649</time>
<s>你肯定就没戏了</s>
<time>222_00:06:55,009 --> 00:06:56,809</time>
<s>中国你想想</s>
<time>223_00:06:57,169 --> 00:06:58,969</time>
<s>哪有七十二岁的人做节目</s>
<time>224_00:06:59,329 --> 00:07:00,769</time>
<s>六十二岁的都很少</s>
<time>225_00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:01,849</time>
<s>除了我没别人</s>
<time>226_00:07:03,277 --> 00:07:04,357</time>
<s>马爷代表老年人</s>
<time>227_00:07:04,717 --> 00:07:05,077</time>
<s>进行吐槽大会</s>
<time>228_00:07:05,437 --> 00:07:06,877</time>
<s>给自己做了个广告</s>
<time>229_00:07:07,597 --> 00:07:08,317</time>
<s>真没有</s>
<time>230_00:07:08,677 --> 00:07:09,757</time>
<s>但是马爷也豁不出去</s>
<time>231_00:07:11,197 --> 00:07:11,917</time>
<s>我跟你说</s>
<time>232_00:07:12,277 --> 00:07:14,056</time>
<s>北野武我对他这个</s>
<time>233_00:07:14,416 --> 00:07:15,136</time>
<s>做过一些注意</s>
<time>234_00:07:15,496 --> 00:07:16,216</time>
<s>这个有的时候</s>
<time>235_00:07:16,576 --> 00:07:18,376</time>
<s>人要是活开了</s>
<time>236_00:07:18,736 --> 00:07:20,536</time>
<s>其实像这样的艺人</s>
<time>237_00:07:20,896 --> 00:07:23,051</time>
<s>在我国早把你拍死了对吧</s>
<time>238_00:07:23,411 --> 00:07:24,851</time>
<s>你这么不道德对不对</s>
<time>239_00:07:25,211 --> 00:07:27,011</time>
<s>但是呢在另一方面呢</s>
<time>240_00:07:27,371 --> 00:07:29,171</time>
<s>这个从这个演艺心理学上讲</s>
<time>241_00:07:29,531 --> 00:07:32,051</time>
<s>他就是一个很早就彻底活开了</s>
<time>242_00:07:32,411 --> 00:07:34,198</time>
<s>你知道活开了的人</s>
<time>243_00:07:34,558 --> 00:07:35,638</time>
<s>他获得了某种自由</s>
<time>244_00:07:37,078 --> 00:07:37,798</time>
<s>那么其实这也是他的经验</s>
<time>245_00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:38,518</time>
<s>他到电视台</s>
<time>246_00:07:38,878 --> 00:07:39,958</time>
<s>我去扮演另一个人</s>
<time>247_00:07:40,318 --> 00:07:41,398</time>
<s>就是我就觉得</s>
<time>248_00:07:41,758 --> 00:07:43,897</time>
<s>他在电视上开的那个玩笑</s>
<time>249_00:07:44,257 --> 00:07:44,977</time>
<s>那个尺度之大</s>
<time>250_00:07:45,337 --> 00:07:45,697</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>251_00:07:46,057 --> 00:07:46,777</time>
<s>他现在也是而且</s>
<time>252_00:07:47,137 --> 00:07:47,497</time>
<s>而且他现在</s>
<time>253_00:07:47,857 --> 00:07:48,937</time>
<s>就是有点倚老卖老了</s>
<time>254_00:07:49,297 --> 00:07:50,377</time>
<s>他就是为了搞笑</s>
<time>255_00:07:50,737 --> 00:07:52,177</time>
<s>就是你说有些时候</s>
<time>256_00:07:52,537 --> 00:07:53,611</time>
<s>这人活到这个</s>
<time>257_00:07:53,971 --> 00:07:55,411</time>
<s>这个全社会呢</s>
<time>258_00:07:55,771 --> 00:07:57,211</time>
<s>好像也就许可了</s>
<time>259_00:07:57,571 --> 00:07:58,291</time>
<s>宽容</s>
<time>260_00:07:58,651 --> 00:08:00,091</time>
<s>他要做这种搞笑的节目</s>
<time>261_00:08:00,451 --> 00:08:00,811</time>
<s>他没有办法</s>
<time>262_00:08:01,171 --> 00:08:03,678</time>
<s>他必须有一些出人意外的动作</s>
<time>263_00:08:05,118 --> 00:08:06,558</time>
<s>你没有这种出人意外的动作</s>
<time>264_00:08:06,918 --> 00:08:07,998</time>
<s>你老是跟着白话白话</s>
<time>265_00:08:08,358 --> 00:08:09,438</time>
<s>说这些。</s><s>肯定不行的</s>
<time>266_00:08:09,798 --> 00:08:10,878</time>
<s>还有一个就是在搞笑当中</s>
<time>267_00:08:11,238 --> 00:08:13,038</time>
<s>肢体动作最占便宜</s>
<time>268_00:08:13,377 --> 00:08:14,457</time>
<s>就很容易达到效果</s>
<time>269_00:08:14,817 --> 00:08:15,537</time>
<s>你完全靠语言</s>
<time>270_00:08:15,897 --> 00:08:17,337</time>
<s>那得花多大力量</s>
<time>271_00:08:17,697 --> 00:08:18,777</time>
<s>你这个所以说相声</s>
<time>272_00:08:19,137 --> 00:08:20,217</time>
<s>你像马三立那种就很少</s>
<time>273_00:08:20,577 --> 00:08:22,737</time>
<s>就是笔管条直穿一大褂</s>
<time>274_00:08:23,097 --> 00:08:24,171</time>
<s>这种我今天跟你说个相声</s>
<time>275_00:08:24,531 --> 00:08:25,611</time>
<s>这就把你说乐了这个</s>
<time>276_00:08:25,971 --> 00:08:27,411</time>
<s>你看现在的相声都动手</s>
<time>277_00:08:27,771 --> 00:08:28,131</time>
<s>都推揉着</s>
<time>278_00:08:29,211 --> 00:08:29,571</time>
<s>而且我是观察</s>
<time>279_00:08:29,931 --> 00:08:31,011</time>
<s>日本社会有一个特点</s>
<time>280_00:08:31,371 --> 00:08:32,451</time>
<s>就是我不是住过一年</s>
<time>281_00:08:32,811 --> 00:08:33,518</time>
<s>我也不知道这特点是不是对</s>
<time>282_00:08:33,878 --> 00:08:34,958</time>
<s>就是他们</s>
<time>283_00:08:35,318 --> 00:08:36,038</time>
<s>我一个日本的朋友说</s>
<time>284_00:08:36,398 --> 00:08:36,758</time>
<s>他说日本人</s>
<time>285_00:08:37,118 --> 00:08:38,198</time>
<s>就是你看他特别规矩什么</s>
<time>286_00:08:38,558 --> 00:08:39,638</time>
<s>他说不是自律</s>
<time>287_00:08:39,998 --> 00:08:40,718</time>
<s>其实是他律</s>
<time>288_00:08:41,078 --> 00:08:41,798</time>
<s>就是他们特别害怕</s>
<time>289_00:08:42,158 --> 00:08:42,518</time>
<s>被别人注意到</s>
<time>290_00:08:42,878 --> 00:08:43,937</time>
<s>特别害怕不一样</s>
<time>291_00:08:44,297 --> 00:08:45,737</time>
<s>就特别害怕自己麻烦到别人</s>
<time>292_00:08:46,097 --> 00:08:47,537</time>
<s>但是所以你要摆脱</s>
<time>293_00:08:47,897 --> 00:08:48,617</time>
<s>这种社会的惯性</s>
<time>294_00:08:48,977 --> 00:08:50,777</time>
<s>你就必须比其他人更出挑</s>
<time>295_00:08:51,137 --> 00:08:52,217</time>
<s>就是说我就彻底不要脸</s>
<time>296_00:08:52,577 --> 00:08:54,011</time>
<s>我就彻底不要他人的束缚</s>
<time>297_00:08:54,371 --> 00:08:54,731</time>
<s>所以我们看到</s>
<time>298_00:08:55,091 --> 00:08:55,811</time>
<s>好像那些日本的</s>
<time>299_00:08:56,171 --> 00:08:57,251</time>
<s>就是伟大的艺术家</s>
<time>300_00:08:57,611 --> 00:08:59,051</time>
<s>都是比一般的艺术家</s>
<time>301_00:08:59,411 --> 00:09:00,851</time>
<s>其他国家的艺术家就更前卫</s>
<time>302_00:09:01,211 --> 00:09:02,291</time>
<s>更先锋更不管不顾</s>
<time>303_00:09:02,651 --> 00:09:04,437</time>
<s>因为他那个社会的惯性特别大</s>
<time>304_00:09:04,797 --> 00:09:06,237</time>
<s>就是他要出来他必须</s>
<time>305_00:09:06,957 --> 00:09:07,677</time>
<s>他必须更走极端</s>
<time>306_00:09:08,037 --> 00:09:09,117</time>
<s>他才能跳出来</s>
<time>307_00:09:09,477 --> 00:09:10,197</time>
<s>这就是我们常说的</s>
<time>308_00:09:10,557 --> 00:09:11,997</time>
<s>这个日本人在国内</s>
<time>309_00:09:12,357 --> 00:09:13,077</time>
<s>跟日本人在国外</s>
<time>310_00:09:13,437 --> 00:09:13,776</time>
<s>完全是两个人</s>
<time>311_00:09:14,496 --> 00:09:14,856</time>
<s>怎么说</s>
<time>312_00:09:15,216 --> 00:09:15,576</time>
<s>你比如说日本人</s>
<time>313_00:09:15,936 --> 00:09:17,376</time>
<s>在国内的时候打电话</s>
<time>314_00:09:17,736 --> 00:09:18,456</time>
<s>你必须小声地</s>
<time>315_00:09:18,816 --> 00:09:19,536</time>
<s>偷偷摸摸找个地儿</s>
<time>316_00:09:19,896 --> 00:09:20,976</time>
<s>在电车上不能打</s>
<time>317_00:09:21,336 --> 00:09:21,696</time>
<s>我那天在上海</s>
<time>318_00:09:22,056 --> 00:09:23,136</time>
<s>那个浦东机场那儿</s>
<time>319_00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:24,570</time>
<s>一个日本人在坐着等着</s>
<time>320_00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:27,090</time>
<s>非常大声地打电话</s>
<time>321_00:09:27,450 --> 00:09:28,170</time>
<s>我上去我跟他日语说</s>
<time>322_00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:29,250</time>
<s>我说你在日本国内</s>
<time>323_00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:30,690</time>
<s>这么打电话吗</s>
<time>324_00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:31,410</time>
<s>他听到以后</s>
<time>325_00:09:31,770 --> 00:09:32,850</time>
<s>马上站起来就出去就走</s>
<time>326_00:09:34,276 --> 00:09:35,356</time>
<s>他只是在那个社会是那样</s>
<time>327_00:09:36,436 --> 00:09:36,796</time>
<s>还有一个这个</s>
<time>328_00:09:37,156 --> 00:09:38,596</time>
<s>我在那个也是上海浦东机场</s>
<time>329_00:09:38,956 --> 00:09:39,676</time>
<s>一个日本人</s>
<time>330_00:09:40,036 --> 00:09:40,756</time>
<s>跟那儿拿那个护照</s>
<time>331_00:09:41,116 --> 00:09:42,196</time>
<s>用那个（护照）跟那个小姑娘</s>
<time>332_00:09:42,556 --> 00:09:43,636</time>
<s>人家地勤那小姐跟那儿喊</s>
<time>333_00:09:43,975 --> 00:09:45,415</time>
<s>说你摸我护照了</s>
<time>334_00:09:45,775 --> 00:09:46,855</time>
<s>我上去我就用日语我骂他</s>
<time>335_00:09:47,215 --> 00:09:47,935</time>
<s>我说你混蛋</s>
<time>336_00:09:48,295 --> 00:09:49,375</time>
<s>不摸你护照这个</s>
<time>337_00:09:49,735 --> 00:09:50,455</time>
<s>你用日语说吧</s>
<time>338_00:09:51,175 --> 00:09:51,895</time>
<s>用日语怎么说</s>
<time>339_00:09:54,768 --> 00:09:55,128</time>
<s>鬼子来了</s>
<time>340_00:09:55,848 --> 00:09:56,208</time>
<s>岱力野郎（混蛋）</s>
<time>341_00:09:57,288 --> 00:09:58,368</time>
<s>触</s>
<time>342_00:09:58,728 --> 00:09:59,448</time>
<s>（她做这个工作不摸你的护照怎么行呢）圆桌派[看理想】</s>
<time>343_00:09:59,808 --> 00:10:00,528</time>
<s>你告诉他</s>
<time>344_00:10:00,888 --> 00:10:01,968</time>
<s>她就要给你弄机票</s>
<time>345_00:10:02,328 --> 00:10:04,474</time>
<s>她不摸你护照怎么行呢对不对</s>
<time>346_00:10:04,834 --> 00:10:05,554</time>
<s>他们就是有点这种膨胀</s>
<time>347_00:10:05,914 --> 00:10:06,634</time>
<s>一出国了以后</s>
<time>348_00:10:06,994 --> 00:10:07,714</time>
<s>就彻底放开了</s>
<time>349_00:10:08,074 --> 00:10:09,154</time>
<s>就跟在国内的时候完全不一样</s>
<time>350_00:10:09,514 --> 00:10:10,234</time>
<s>所以你知道</s>
<time>351_00:10:10,594 --> 00:10:13,114</time>
<s>就是说这个日本非常有意思</s>
<time>352_00:10:13,474 --> 00:10:14,173</time>
<s>你看一方面呢</s>
<time>353_00:10:14,533 --> 00:10:15,253</time>
<s>咱们当然能理解</s>
<time>354_00:10:15,613 --> 00:10:18,493</time>
<s>中国很多人对日本有反感</s>
<time>355_00:10:18,853 --> 00:10:19,573</time>
<s>但是另一方面呢</s>
<time>356_00:10:19,933 --> 00:10:21,733</time>
<s>你从这个旅游局的数字</s>
<time>357_00:10:22,093 --> 00:10:24,606</time>
<s>中国游客到日本旅行的</s>
<time>358_00:10:24,966 --> 00:10:26,766</time>
<s>那家伙真是直线上升到</s>
<time>359_00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:27,846</time>
<s>不得了的程度</s>
<time>360_00:10:28,206 --> 00:10:28,926</time>
<s>去年847万</s>
<time>361_00:10:29,286 --> 00:10:30,726</time>
<s>但是我就听了蒋老师说的</s>
<time>362_00:10:31,086 --> 00:10:32,166</time>
<s>我就才发现</s>
<time>363_00:10:32,526 --> 00:10:34,312</time>
<s>别以为日本一直都是</s>
<time>364_00:10:34,672 --> 00:10:36,832</time>
<s>这么干干净净整整齐齐</s>
<time>365_00:10:37,192 --> 00:10:38,632</time>
<s>就是太有意思了</s>
<time>366_00:10:38,992 --> 00:10:39,712</time>
<s>就是它原来</s>
<time>367_00:10:40,072 --> 00:10:43,312</time>
<s>仅仅在几十年前都不是这样</s>
<time>368_00:10:43,672 --> 00:10:44,032</time>
<s>甚至有人</s>
<time>369_00:10:44,370 --> 00:10:45,810</time>
<s>最近不是说这个上海</s>
<time>370_00:10:46,170 --> 00:10:47,250</time>
<s>这个你是什么垃圾</s>
<time>371_00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:50,130</time>
<s>干垃圾湿垃圾</s>
<time>372_00:10:50,490 --> 00:10:51,930</time>
<s>我跟你说咱们可以预感到</s>
<time>373_00:10:52,290 --> 00:10:53,370</time>
<s>上海领风气之先</s>
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<s>从上海开始</s>
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<s>咱们恐怕接着</s>
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<s>都得慢慢地学会这个分类</s>
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<s>分类垃圾</s>
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<s>可是你知道</s>
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<s>日本不是一开头就这样的</s>
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<s>我听到过一个年限</s>
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<s>就是说是大概在1964年</s>
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<s>这个奥运会</s>
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<s>他们才开始点燃了</s>
<time>384_00:11:09,549 --> 00:11:10,989</time>
<s>就是政府开始搞这一套</s>
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<s>说原来也是脏乱差</s>
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<s>1963年</s>
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<s>为了迎接1964年的东京奥运会</s>
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<s>来开始提倡进行这场革命</s>
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<s>您刚去日本的时候会分垃圾吗</s>
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<s>我刚去日本时候</s>
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<s>我在最近还写文章</s>
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<s>还在说这个事情呢</s>
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<s>会分但是嫌烦</s>
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<s>你知道吧</s>
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<s>还有这个垃圾分完</s>
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<s>你嫌烦了以后怎么办</s>
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<s>装在一块扔出去</s>
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<s>但是日本有“朝阳大妈”</s>
<time>399_00:11:33,281 --> 00:11:34,361</time>
<s>日本版“朝阳大妈”</s>
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<s>一会儿就在这儿</s>
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<s>第二天早上你一开门</s>
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<s>东西全回来了</s>
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<s>又回来了</s>
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<s>但是分类呢</s>
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<s>其实咱们没有讲到人家的好处</s>
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<s>我觉得我们国内学人家的好处</s>
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<s>我们分类人家最好处</s>
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<s>比如说有这个</s>
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<s>粗大的这个垃圾专门放站</s>
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<s>人家那家用电器扔进去了</s>
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<s>一开始留学生刚开始去的</s>
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<s>八十年代您想</s>
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<s>那见着个电视美</s>
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<s>就搬回来了</s>
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<s>抱回来以后怎么开都开不了</s>
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<s>再一看</s>
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<s>人家那个后面没电线</s>
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<s>没插销的</s>
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<s>然后人家告诉你</s>
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<s>这个把电线铰了的</s>
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<s>就说明这个彻底不能用了</s>
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<s>然后能留着电线的</s>
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<s>这是人家升级换代</s>
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<s>这还可以使</s>
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<s>就好多日本留学</s>
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<s>规矩啊</s>
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<s>规矩</s>
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<s>好多日本留学生当年刚去日本</s>
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<s>全家的家具都是</s>
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<s>从那个粗大垃圾这个区</s>
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<s>一个书架捡回来</s>
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<s>你也是</s>
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<s>我也是</s>
