<time>1723_00:49:54,701 --> 00:49:57,581</time>
<s>还有一个地方叫听觉皮层</s>
<time>1724_00:49:57,941 --> 00:50:00,448</time>
<s>这个听觉皮层储存着你</s>
<time>1725_00:50:00,808 --> 00:50:01,528</time>
<s>听过的所有声音</s>
<time>1726_00:50:02,248 --> 00:50:04,048</time>
<s>你这辈子听过的所有的声音</s>
<time>1727_00:50:04,408 --> 00:50:08,368</time>
<s>你以前产生过愉悦感的那个音乐</s>
<time>1728_00:50:08,728 --> 00:50:10,168</time>
<s>如果你一听到这个声音</s>
<time>1729_00:50:10,507 --> 00:50:11,587</time>
<s>你这个记忆皮层</s>
<time>1730_00:50:11,947 --> 00:50:12,667</time>
<s>就向这个核发信号</s>
<time>1731_00:50:14,107 --> 00:50:16,267</time>
<s>你就高兴就买</s>
<time>1732_00:50:16,627 --> 00:50:18,427</time>
<s>那么他这个实验的结论就是</s>
<time>1733_00:50:18,787 --> 00:50:19,147</time>
<s>是什么呢</s>
<time>1734_00:50:19,867 --> 00:50:20,942</time>
<s>人们为什么爱听老歌</s>
<time>1735_00:50:21,302 --> 00:50:22,022</time>
<s>熟悉的东西</s>
<time>1736_00:50:22,382 --> 00:50:23,822</time>
<s>就是说你啊</s>
<time>1737_00:50:24,182 --> 00:50:25,982</time>
<s>就是说这些音乐</s>
<time>1738_00:50:26,342 --> 00:50:26,702</time>
<s>虽然是你没听过</s>
<time>1739_00:50:27,062 --> 00:50:29,582</time>
<s>但是有些熟悉的痕迹</s>
<time>1740_00:50:29,942 --> 00:50:31,369</time>
<s>比如说特殊的一种唱法</s>
<time>1741_00:50:31,729 --> 00:50:33,169</time>
<s>特别的一种节拍</s>
<time>1742_00:50:33,529 --> 00:50:34,609</time>
<s>或者听的人呢</s>
<time>1743_00:50:34,969 --> 00:50:36,409</time>
<s>他预期下一个音符</s>
<time>1744_00:50:36,769 --> 00:50:37,849</time>
<s>就是他预期的</s>
<time>1745_00:50:38,209 --> 00:50:39,289</time>
<s>那个音符的时候</s>
<time>1746_00:50:39,649 --> 00:50:41,788</time>
<s>他就愉悦他就买</s>
<time>1747_00:50:42,148 --> 00:50:42,508</time>
<s>所以他就是说</s>
<time>1748_00:50:42,868 --> 00:50:44,668</time>
<s>用这个实验来解释</s>
<time>1749_00:50:45,028 --> 00:50:45,748</time>
<s>为什么不同的人</s>
<time>1750_00:50:46,108 --> 00:50:47,548</time>
<s>会喜欢不同的音乐</s>
<time>1751_00:50:47,908 --> 00:50:48,988</time>
<s>实际上就是你觉得</s>
<time>1752_00:50:49,348 --> 00:50:50,068</time>
<s>你记忆中枢的</s>
<time>1753_00:50:50,428 --> 00:50:54,022</time>
<s>那个舒服的那个声音似曾相识</s>
<time>1754_00:50:54,382 --> 00:50:55,462</time>
<s>啪一下就打中了</s>
<time>1755_00:50:55,822 --> 00:50:56,902</time>
<s>你的奖赏回路</s>
<time>1756_00:50:57,262 --> 00:50:58,702</time>
<s>那这个其实</s>
<time>1757_00:50:59,062 --> 00:50:59,782</time>
<s>这个挺准的</s>
<time>1758_00:51:00,142 --> 00:51:00,849</time>
<s>就是这个原则</s>
<time>1759_00:51:01,209 --> 00:51:02,289</time>
<s>因为就是你看照片</s>
<time>1760_00:51:02,649 --> 00:51:04,449</time>
<s>摄影家也有这个原则lov</s>
<time>1761_00:51:04,809 --> 00:51:05,529</time>
<s>你看到一幅画</s>
<time>1762_00:51:05,889 --> 00:51:07,329</time>
<s>让你回忆起一个熟悉的味道</s>
<time>1763_00:51:07,689 --> 00:51:08,769</time>
<s>熟悉的一个场景的时候love</s>
<time>1764_00:51:09,129 --> 00:51:10,908</time>
<s>你就特别喜欢那个东西</s>
<time>1765_00:51:11,268 --> 00:51:11,988</time>
<s>所以也就是为什么</s>
<time>1766_00:51:12,348 --> 00:51:13,068</time>
<s>人可能喜欢一个东西</s>
<time>1767_00:51:13,428 --> 00:51:14,148</time>
<s>就重复喜欢一个东西</s>
<time>1768_00:51:14,508 --> 00:51:14,868</time>
<s>没错</s>
<time>1769_00:51:15,228 --> 00:51:15,948</time>
<s>但现在的所有风格</s>
<time>1770_00:51:16,308 --> 00:51:17,748</time>
<s>其实没有发展的</s>
<time>1771_00:51:18,108 --> 00:51:19,908</time>
<s>比如说除了像摇滚乐</s>
<time>1772_00:51:20,268 --> 00:51:22,782</time>
<s>现在确实是少了一点点</s>
<time>1773_00:51:23,142 --> 00:51:23,862</time>
<s>它有风格</s>
<time>1774_00:51:24,222 --> 00:51:26,382</time>
<s>你比如说乡村音乐了布鲁斯了</s>
<time>1775_00:51:26,742 --> 00:51:28,902</time>
<s>还有像古典音乐</s>
<time>1776_00:51:29,262 --> 00:51:31,049</time>
<s>我们是觉得它数量少</s>
<time>1777_00:51:31,409 --> 00:51:32,849</time>
<s>但是它从来都活得很好</s>
<time>1778_00:51:33,929 --> 00:51:36,449</time>
<s>它也不介意你要不要听我</s>
<time>1779_00:51:36,809 --> 00:51:37,889</time>
<s>爵士乐</s>
<time>1780_00:51:38,249 --> 00:51:39,329</time>
<s>那有那么多年轻人</s>
<time>1781_00:51:39,689 --> 00:51:40,409</time>
<s>像郎朗这种</s>
<time>1782_00:51:40,769 --> 00:51:43,988</time>
<s>就是到古典音乐领域去继续</s>
<time>1783_00:51:44,348 --> 00:51:45,068</time>
<s>那个音乐是</s>
<time>1784_00:51:45,428 --> 00:51:46,148</time>
<s>就是怎么说呢</s>
<time>1785_00:51:46,508 --> 00:51:47,948</time>
<s>是特别多人</s>
<time>1786_00:51:49,748 --> 00:51:51,182</time>
<s>累积起来的一个东西</s>
<time>1787_00:51:51,542 --> 00:51:55,502</time>
<s>大家在共同维护那个</s>
<time>1788_00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:56,582</time>
<s>它的那个传承</s>
<time>1789_00:51:58,022 --> 00:51:58,742</time>
<s>它永远断不了</s>
<time>1790_00:51:59,102 --> 00:51:59,822</time>
<s>有的时候就是</s>
<time>1791_00:52:00,182 --> 00:52:01,248</time>
<s>我觉得甚至那个人</s>
<time>1792_00:52:01,608 --> 00:52:04,488</time>
<s>喜欢什么音乐是因果</s>
<time>1793_00:52:04,848 --> 00:52:06,648</time>
<s>是之前我就对这个东西</s>
<time>1794_00:52:07,008 --> 00:52:08,808</time>
<s>有天然好感</s>
<time>1795_00:52:09,168 --> 00:52:09,528</time>
<s>都是有可能</s>
<time>1796_00:52:09,888 --> 00:52:10,608</time>
<s>三生三世</s>
<time>1797_00:52:10,968 --> 00:52:12,027</time>
<s>就为什么到了某一个年龄</s>
<time>1798_00:52:12,387 --> 00:52:13,827</time>
<s>你会突然喜欢某种音乐也是</s>
<time>1799_00:52:14,187 --> 00:52:14,907</time>
<s>因为你的经历的积累</s>
<time>1800_00:52:15,267 --> 00:52:17,067</time>
<s>你好像觉得就是有一些音乐</s>
<time>1801_00:52:17,427 --> 00:52:18,867</time>
<s>就像我听某一些音乐</s>
<time>1802_00:52:19,227 --> 00:52:21,027</time>
<s>就是听了那个歌突然觉得</s>
<time>1803_00:52:21,381 --> 00:52:22,821</time>
<s>这个歌我以前听过</s>
<time>1804_00:52:23,181 --> 00:52:24,981</time>
<s>就是像找到了一个</s>
<time>1805_00:52:26,061 --> 00:52:27,141</time>
<s>我找到了那个感觉一样</s>
<time>1806_00:52:27,501 --> 00:52:28,581</time>
<s>一个家园一个世界</s>
<time>1807_00:52:28,941 --> 00:52:30,381</time>
<s>他看到那首歌还会泪流满面</s>
<time>1808_00:52:31,447 --> 00:52:32,887</time>
<s>就是因为那一段时间回来了</s>
<time>1809_00:52:33,247 --> 00:52:33,967</time>
<s>歌是会这样的</s>
<time>1810_00:52:34,327 --> 00:52:35,047</time>
<s>你刚才说的</s>
<time>1811_00:52:35,407 --> 00:52:36,847</time>
<s>它是会让那个时间</s>
<time>1812_00:52:37,207 --> 00:52:38,287</time>
<s>比如说我听到那个歌</s>
<time>1813_00:52:38,647 --> 00:52:40,087</time>
<s>并不是跟歌没关系</s>
<time>1814_00:52:40,447 --> 00:52:41,167</time>
<s>而且我觉得流泪是</s>
<time>1815_00:52:41,506 --> 00:52:43,306</time>
<s>比较低级的一种情绪</s>
<time>1816_00:52:43,666 --> 00:52:44,386</time>
<s>不要太克制了</s>
<time>1817_00:52:44,746 --> 00:52:45,466</time>
<s>至少不高级</s>
<time>1818_00:52:45,826 --> 00:52:46,546</time>
<s>对就是情绪化嘛</s>
<time>1819_00:52:46,906 --> 00:52:47,266</time>
<s>明白</s>
<time>1820_00:52:47,626 --> 00:52:48,706</time>
<s>但是情绪化就是</s>
<time>1821_00:52:49,066 --> 00:52:50,146</time>
<s>如果你突然他</s>
<time>1822_00:52:50,506 --> 00:52:52,300</time>
<s>因为朴树的歌词里有一句</s>
<time>1823_00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:54,100</time>
<s>什么Windows98什么的</s>
<time>1824_00:52:54,460 --> 00:52:56,260</time>
<s>我突然想到我的电脑屏幕</s>
<time>1825_00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:58,060</time>
<s>马上想到我那个屋子</s>
<time>1826_00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:01,646</time>
<s>那一刹那我就回到那个胡同里</s>
<time>1827_00:53:02,006 --> 00:53:03,086</time>
<s>就好像我没有过</s>
<time>1828_00:53:03,446 --> 00:53:05,246</time>
<s>接下来的这几十年一样</s>
<time>1829_00:53:05,606 --> 00:53:06,686</time>
<s>它就是有这个能力</s>
<time>1830_00:53:07,046 --> 00:53:07,766</time>
<s>音乐就是</s>
<time>1831_00:53:08,126 --> 00:53:09,566</time>
<s>它就是怎么说</s>
<time>1832_00:53:09,926 --> 00:53:12,064</time>
<s>比如我们话筒一录</s>
<time>1833_00:53:12,424 --> 00:53:13,864</time>
<s>就把这个时间的</s>
<time>1834_00:53:14,944 --> 00:53:17,464</time>
<s>空气所有的东西都定格在那儿</s>
<time>1835_00:53:17,824 --> 00:53:19,264</time>
<s>就是会有这个能力</s>
<time>1836_00:53:19,624 --> 00:53:21,777</time>
<s>但是仅有这个</s>
<time>1837_00:53:22,137 --> 00:53:23,217</time>
<s>我觉得又不够</s>
<time>1838_00:53:23,937 --> 00:53:25,377</time>
<s>因为我可以沉浸在某一个</s>
<time>1839_00:53:25,737 --> 00:53:26,097</time>
<s>比如听乡村</s>
<time>1840_00:53:26,457 --> 00:53:27,537</time>
<s>或者有时候听个什么</s>
<time>1841_00:53:27,897 --> 00:53:30,057</time>
<s>我觉得我还是会放下自己</s>
<time>1842_00:53:30,417 --> 00:53:31,137</time>
<s>就是没有自己</s>
<time>1843_00:53:31,497 --> 00:53:32,923</time>
<s>把自己投身在那个</s>
<time>1844_00:53:33,283 --> 00:53:34,363</time>
<s>就是你已经不见了</s>
<time>1845_00:53:34,723 --> 00:53:35,443</time>
<s>你是在</s>
<time>1846_00:53:35,803 --> 00:53:36,523</time>
<s>无我</s>
<time>1847_00:53:36,883 --> 00:53:38,323</time>
<s>无我的状态你进入了一个</s>
<time>1848_00:53:38,683 --> 00:53:40,123</time>
<s>特别大的一个</s>
<time>1849_00:53:40,483 --> 00:53:42,981</time>
<s>一个记忆里面</s>
<time>1850_00:53:43,341 --> 00:53:44,421</time>
<s>你活在那个记忆里面</s>
<time>1851_00:53:44,781 --> 00:53:48,381</time>
<s>但是很多时候是</s>
<time>1852_00:53:48,741 --> 00:53:50,181</time>
<s>我愿意听到特别的声音</s>
<time>1853_00:53:50,541 --> 00:53:51,975</time>
<s>比如说像二手玫瑰</s>
<time>1854_00:53:52,335 --> 00:53:53,415</time>
<s>我第一次看他们演出就</s>
<time>1855_00:53:54,855 --> 00:53:56,655</time>
<s>就我没听过这样的东西</s>
<time>1856_00:53:57,015 --> 00:53:58,095</time>
<s>没错我头一回看到</s>
<time>1857_00:53:58,455 --> 00:53:59,895</time>
<s>我一看一东北大姑娘来了</s>
<time>1858_00:54:00,255 --> 00:54:02,400</time>
<s>他的旋律</s>
<time>1859_00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,280</time>
<s>歌词的想要说的那个部分</s>
<time>1860_00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,360</time>
<s>以及节奏</s>
<time>1861_00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,520</time>
<s>这个是超出我想象的</s>
<time>1862_00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,600</time>
<s>或者说其实对于</s>
<time>1863_00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,458</time>
<s>如果说我现在想要做一专辑</s>
<time>1864_00:54:14,258 --> 00:54:15,698</time>
<s>那就选择我是要不要</s>
<time>1865_00:54:16,058 --> 00:54:18,218</time>
<s>那个所谓创新</s>
<time>1866_00:54:18,578 --> 00:54:21,098</time>
<s>不是说创新一定是什么</s>
<time>1867_00:54:21,458 --> 00:54:22,172</time>
<s>都有价值</s>
<time>1868_00:54:22,532 --> 00:54:22,892</time>
<s>我觉得都</s>
<time>1869_00:54:23,252 --> 00:54:23,612</time>
<s>要冒险</s>
<time>1870_00:54:23,972 --> 00:54:25,052</time>
<s>我要不要冒险对</s>
<time>1871_00:54:25,412 --> 00:54:26,852</time>
<s>就是我要不要去做一个。</s>
<time>1872_00:54:27,212 --> 00:54:29,732</time>
<s>就是完全不在你那个舒适</s>
<time>1873_00:54:30,092 --> 00:54:31,172</time>
<s>舒适的那个东西</s>
<time>1874_00:54:31,892 --> 00:54:34,037</time>
<s>那反而我会发现说好吧</s>
<time>1875_00:54:34,397 --> 00:54:36,557</time>
<s>那个东西也已经进化了</s>
<time>1876_00:54:36,917 --> 00:54:37,997</time>
<s>现在的</s>
<time>1877_00:54:38,357 --> 00:54:40,157</time>
<s>比如说国际上有特别多</s>
<time>1878_00:54:40,517 --> 00:54:43,735</time>
<s>好到发指匪夷所思</s>
<time>1879_00:54:44,095 --> 00:54:46,975</time>
<s>他们的那个对音乐表现的方式</s>
<time>1880_00:54:47,335 --> 00:54:49,855</time>
<s>形式节奏旋律</s>
<time>1881_00:54:50,215 --> 00:54:50,575</time>
<s>你会觉得</s>
<time>1882_00:54:52,728 --> 00:54:54,168</time>
<s>就是你没听过的</s>
<time>1883_00:54:54,528 --> 00:54:57,048</time>
<s>可是竟然你马上就接受</s>
<time>1884_00:54:59,208 --> 00:55:00,288</time>
<s>就是他不是</s>
<time>1885_00:55:00,648 --> 00:55:02,433</time>
<s>你原来我是可以接受</s>
<time>1886_00:55:02,793 --> 00:55:04,233</time>
<s>这个东西的</s>
<time>1887_00:55:04,593 --> 00:55:05,313</time>
<s>所以这个就</s>
<time>1888_00:55:05,673 --> 00:55:06,393</time>
<s>有时候特别矛盾</s>
<time>1889_00:55:06,753 --> 00:55:08,913</time>
<s>就是想获得成功的话</s>
<time>1890_00:55:09,273 --> 00:55:10,713</time>
<s>就得要舒舒服服的</s>
<time>1891_00:55:11,073 --> 00:55:13,211</time>
<s>去找大家觉得舒服的那个东西</s>
<time>1892_00:55:13,571 --> 00:55:15,011</time>
<s>惯性的神经通路</s>
<time>1893_00:55:15,371 --> 00:55:17,171</time>
<s>对因为那个肯定会有效嘛</s>
<time>1894_00:55:17,531 --> 00:55:17,891</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1895_00:55:18,251 --> 00:55:19,691</time>
<s>如果你要是想</s>
<time>1896_00:55:20,051 --> 00:55:20,771</time>
<s>找别扭的话那就</s>
<time>1897_00:55:21,131 --> 00:55:23,644</time>
<s>你可能自己会很爽</s>
<time>1898_00:55:24,004 --> 00:55:25,444</time>
<s>但是就有可能</s>
<time>1899_00:55:25,804 --> 00:55:28,684</time>
<s>下面不会再有人有反应</s>
<time>1900_00:55:29,044 --> 00:55:30,484</time>
<s>所以你讲的这个特别好</s>
<time>1901_00:55:30,844 --> 00:55:32,989</time>
<s>它授清了好多问题</s>
<time>1902_00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:34,069</time>
<s>就是说</s>
<time>1903_00:55:35,149 --> 00:55:36,949</time>
<s>对于我们这些业余的</s>
<time>1904_00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:38,389</time>
<s>音乐消费者来说</s>
<time>1905_00:55:38,749 --> 00:55:39,829</time>
<s>它就是形成一个</s>
<time>1906_00:55:40,189 --> 00:55:41,269</time>
<s>固定的神经通路</s>
<time>1907_00:55:41,629 --> 00:55:43,046</time>
<s>比如说我爱听校园民谣</s>
<time>1908_00:55:43,406 --> 00:55:45,566</time>
<s>一听我就想到我的初恋对吗</s>
<time>1909_00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:47,006</time>
<s>后来我到老</s>
<time>1910_00:55:47,366 --> 00:55:48,086</time>
<s>我再听我都会流泪</s>
<time>1911_00:55:48,446 --> 00:55:50,246</time>
<s>好我就这个就行了</s>
<time>1912_00:55:50,606 --> 00:55:52,406</time>
<s>但是对于艺术家来说</s>
<time>1913_00:55:52,759 --> 00:55:54,919</time>
<s>他要创造新的神经连接</s>
<time>1914_00:55:55,279 --> 00:55:56,719</time>
<s>他要创造新的就是说</s>
<time>1915_00:55:57,079 --> 00:55:58,879</time>
<s>其实这就像绘画一样对吧</s>
<time>1916_00:55:59,239 --> 00:55:59,599</time>
<s>为什么我们说</s>
<time>1917_00:55:59,959 --> 00:56:01,399</time>
<s>它其实不叫审丑</s>
<time>1918_00:56:01,759 --> 00:56:02,119</time>
<s>它不叫审丑</s>
<time>1919_00:56:02,479 --> 00:56:04,624</time>
<s>而是说一个东西太甜了</s>
<time>1920_00:56:04,984 --> 00:56:06,064</time>
<s>像刷牙一样</s>
<time>1921_00:56:06,424 --> 00:56:07,504</time>
<s>这种舒服</s>
<time>1922_00:56:07,864 --> 00:56:08,944</time>
<s>对于有追求的人来说</s>
<time>1923_00:56:09,304 --> 00:56:10,024</time>
<s>是不满足的</s>
<time>1924_00:56:10,384 --> 00:56:12,881</time>
<s>我们得创造一种新的</s>
<time>1925_00:56:13,241 --> 00:56:15,041</time>
<s>猛一听你像是不舒服</s>
<time>1926_00:56:15,401 --> 00:56:16,481</time>
<s>但是实际它意味着</s>
<time>1927_00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:17,921</time>
<s>开发一个新的神经连接</s>
<time>1928_00:56:19,001 --> 00:56:20,801</time>
<s>本身幸福感也挺低的</s>
<time>1929_00:56:21,161 --> 00:56:22,241</time>
<s>也算是为人民服务了</s>
<time>1930_00:56:22,601 --> 00:56:24,034</time>
<s>因为他不走寻常路嘛</s>
<time>1931_00:56:24,394 --> 00:56:24,754</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1932_00:56:25,114 --> 00:56:26,194</time>
<s>其实你看一些艺术家</s>
<time>1933_00:56:26,554 --> 00:56:29,074</time>
<s>包括一说什么哲学家智者</s>
<time>1934_00:56:29,434 --> 00:56:30,514</time>
<s>他们的幸福指数非常低</s>
<time>1935_00:56:31,234 --> 00:56:31,954</time>
<s>幸福感特别低</s>
<time>1936_00:56:32,314 --> 00:56:33,738</time>
<s>你的幸福感怎么样</s>
<time>1937_00:56:34,098 --> 00:56:34,818</time>
<s>我特别幸福</s>
<time>1938_00:56:35,178 --> 00:56:35,898</time>
<s>所以我说我智商不太高</s>
<time>1939_00:56:37,338 --> 00:56:38,418</time>
<s>幸福感分高级低级</s>
<time>1940_00:56:38,778 --> 00:56:39,858</time>
<s>你在现场演出的时候</s>
<time>1941_00:56:40,218 --> 00:56:42,378</time>
<s>你不觉得你得娱乐他们</s>
<time>1942_00:56:42,738 --> 00:56:43,435</time>
<s>你不会有强烈的</s>
<time>1943_00:56:43,795 --> 00:56:45,235</time>
<s>一种这种压力吗</s>
<time>1944_00:56:45,955 --> 00:56:46,675</time>
<s>我觉得就是舞台上</s>
<time>1945_00:56:47,035 --> 00:56:47,755</time>
<s>就是唯一目前</s>
<time>1946_00:56:48,115 --> 00:56:49,915</time>
<s>对于我来讲是存在感的地方</s>
<time>1947_00:56:50,275 --> 00:56:51,355</time>
<s>你生活当中没什么存在感</s>
<time>1948_00:56:51,715 --> 00:56:53,148</time>
<s>生活当中你已经很惯性了</s>
<time>1949_00:56:53,508 --> 00:56:55,308</time>
<s>就很多大多时候对吧</s>
<time>1950_00:56:56,028 --> 00:56:57,108</time>
<s>起居的时间</s>
<time>1951_00:56:57,468 --> 00:56:58,908</time>
<s>你的所有的结构都特别明确</s>
<time>1952_00:56:59,268 --> 00:56:59,988</time>
<s>但舞台上相反</s>
<time>1953_00:57:00,348 --> 00:57:01,068</time>
<s>你看也是特别明确的</s>
<time>1954_00:57:01,428 --> 00:57:01,788</time>
<s>你必须得服务好</s>
<time>1955_00:57:02,148 --> 00:57:03,212</time>
<s>那一个半小时到两个小时</s>
<time>1956_00:57:03,572 --> 00:57:04,652</time>
<s>但是那个你有存在感</s>
<time>1957_00:57:06,092 --> 00:57:06,812</time>
<s>对于我个人来讲</s>
<time>1958_00:57:07,172 --> 00:57:08,252</time>
<s>它是我认为存在感三个字</s>
<time>1959_00:57:08,612 --> 00:57:10,772</time>
<s>就是你在活着对</s>
<time>1960_00:57:11,132 --> 00:57:12,572</time>
<s>你觉得大家伙都在这个</s>
<time>1961_00:57:12,932 --> 00:57:13,292</time>
<s>怎么说呢</s>
<time>1962_00:57:13,652 --> 00:57:14,732</time>
<s>万众瞩目的时候</s>
<time>1963_00:57:15,092 --> 00:57:15,452</time>
<s>跟着你一起</s>
<time>1964_00:57:15,812 --> 00:57:16,892</time>
<s>在摇摆跳舞的时候</s>
<time>1965_00:57:17,252 --> 00:57:19,772</time>
<s>你自己感觉是不是特别嗨</s>
<time>1966_00:57:20,132 --> 00:57:21,572</time>
<s>有时候他们也不嗨有时候</s>
<time>1967_00:57:21,932 --> 00:57:22,652</time>
<s>就是你特别深情地</s>
<time>1968_00:57:23,012 --> 00:57:24,084</time>
<s>想唱一个那个历史歌曲</s>
<time>1969_00:57:24,444 --> 00:57:25,524</time>
<s>然后他们根本不解你风情</s>
<time>1970_00:57:25,884 --> 00:57:26,604</time>
<s>这种情况</s>
<time>1971_00:57:26,964 --> 00:57:28,404</time>
<s>其实我们不光是看到跟你跳</s>
<time>1972_00:57:28,764 --> 00:57:29,484</time>
<s>整个那个过程</s>
<time>1973_00:57:29,844 --> 00:57:30,564</time>
<s>就是我在舞台上</s>
<time>1974_00:57:30,924 --> 00:57:31,644</time>
<s>我认为这个时间长了</s>
<time>1975_00:57:32,004 --> 00:57:33,429</time>
<s>变成你的一种生活方式</s>
<time>1976_00:57:33,789 --> 00:57:34,869</time>
<s>最后你发现你会一种</s>
<time>1977_00:57:35,229 --> 00:57:35,589</time>
<s>就是抽离感</s>
<time>1978_00:57:35,949 --> 00:57:36,669</time>
<s>就是舞台上是生活</s>
<time>1979_00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:40,629</time>
<s>舞台下是另一种东西</s>
<time>1980_00:57:40,989 --> 00:57:42,069</time>
<s>所以做歌手特幸福是吧</s>
<time>1981_00:57:42,429 --> 00:57:43,149</time>
<s>你知道就是亚东</s>
<time>1982_00:57:43,509 --> 00:57:43,869</time>
<s>因为你能抽离出你自己</s>
<time>1983_00:57:44,229 --> 00:57:45,309</time>
<s>亚东刚才讲这个勇气</s>
<time>1984_00:57:45,669 --> 00:57:46,389</time>
<s>我有个印象很深</s>
<time>1985_00:57:46,749 --> 00:57:47,829</time>
<s>就是约翰·列侬</s>
<time>1986_00:57:48,189 --> 00:57:49,629</time>
<s>你知道就是他呢</s>
<time>1987_00:57:49,989 --> 00:57:51,429</time>
<s>原来是这个披头士跟着一起</s>
<time>1988_00:57:51,789 --> 00:57:53,581</time>
<s>他们一开始是广受欢迎</s>
<time>1989_00:57:53,941 --> 00:57:56,101</time>
<s>后来是听说是找了大野洋子</s>
<time>1990_00:57:56,461 --> 00:57:57,181</time>
<s>还是小野洋子</s>
<time>1991_00:57:57,541 --> 00:57:59,341</time>
<s>不是乐队后来又分开了</s>
<time>1992_00:57:59,701 --> 00:58:00,421</time>
<s>分开了之后呢</s>
<time>1993_00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:01,861</time>
<s>我就觉得这个约翰列侬呢</s>
<time>1994_00:58:02,221 --> 00:58:04,005</time>
<s>有点染上这个艺术范儿</s>
<time>1995_00:58:04,365 --> 00:58:05,805</time>
<s>跟着这个小野洋子</s>
<time>1996_00:58:06,165 --> 00:58:07,605</time>
<s>最后进入到某种声音实验</s>
<time>1997_00:58:07,965 --> 00:58:08,325</time>
<s>是的</s>
<time>1998_00:58:08,685 --> 00:58:09,045</time>
<s>声音实验</s>
<time>1999_00:58:09,405 --> 00:58:10,125</time>
<s>所以我后来看过一次</s>
<time>2000_00:58:10,485 --> 00:58:11,565</time>
<s>他们的这个演出（录像）</s>
<time>2001_00:58:11,925 --> 00:58:14,804</time>
<s>我就感觉到这个歌迷都哑然</s>
<time>2002_00:58:15,164 --> 00:58:15,524</time>
<s>也是万众歌迷</s>
<time>2003_00:58:15,884 --> 00:58:16,604</time>
<s>就他跟小野洋子</s>
<time>2004_00:58:16,964 --> 00:58:18,044</time>
<s>这真是勇气</s>
<time>2005_00:58:18,404 --> 00:58:19,484</time>
<s>就是当年披头士的旋律</s>
<time>2006_00:58:19,844 --> 00:58:20,564</time>
<s>多么琅琅上口</s>
<time>2007_00:58:20,924 --> 00:58:21,644</time>
<s>然后他跟小野洋子</s>
<time>2008_00:58:22,004 --> 00:58:23,444</time>
<s>有点像狗一样还是什么着就</s>
<time>2009_00:58:26,316 --> 00:58:26,676</time>
<s>就这么</s>
<time>2010_00:58:27,036 --> 00:58:27,396</time>
<s>其实他是在进行</s>
<time>2011_00:58:27,756 --> 00:58:29,196</time>
<s>一种声音的这种</s>
<time>2012_00:58:29,556 --> 00:58:30,996</time>
<s>很艺术性的这种实验</s>
<time>2013_00:58:31,356 --> 00:58:32,436</time>
<s>但是你想底下都是</s>
<time>2014_00:58:32,796 --> 00:58:33,860</time>
<s>披头士的歌迷</s>
<time>2015_00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:35,300</time>
<s>我就发现全场那种</s>
<time>2016_00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:36,380</time>
<s>要叫我</s>
<time>2017_00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:38,180</time>
<s>我觉得好尴尬</s>
<time>2018_00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:40,340</time>
<s>就是为什么不唱他们喜欢的</s>
<time>2019_00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:41,420</time>
<s>为什么两个人在这儿</s>
<time>2020_00:58:41,780 --> 00:58:42,860</time>
<s>跟猫叫似的就这样</s>
<time>2021_00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:44,300</time>
<s>他们太</s>
<time>2022_00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:45,020</time>
<s>我觉得披头士</s>
<time>2023_00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:46,460</time>
<s>是太伟大的乐队</s>
<time>2024_00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:47,900</time>
<s>我觉得他们就是代表了</s>
<time>2025_00:58:48,260 --> 00:58:51,140</time>
<s>那个年轻人该做的一切</s>
<time>2026_00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:54,371</time>
<s>你想他们好像不到三十就散了</s>
<time>2027_00:58:54,731 --> 00:58:55,451</time>
<s>从主流到实验到先锋</s>
<time>2028_00:58:55,811 --> 00:58:56,171</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>2029_00:58:56,531 --> 00:58:57,251</time>
<s>每一个人</s>
<time>2030_00:58:57,611 --> 00:58:59,771</time>
<s>吉他手会去印度去找东西</s>
<time>2031_00:59:00,131 --> 00:59:00,491</time>
<s>心灵导师</s>
<time>2032_00:59:01,211 --> 00:59:02,651</time>
<s>从古典音乐里去找东西</s>
<time>2033_00:59:03,011 --> 00:59:04,435</time>
<s>你无法想象他们</s>
<time>2034_00:59:04,795 --> 00:59:05,875</time>
<s>做的那种尝试</s>
<time>2035_00:59:06,235 --> 00:59:07,675</time>
<s>就他们的视野</s>
<time>2036_00:59:08,035 --> 00:59:09,475</time>
<s>就简直匪夷所思</s>
<time>2037_00:59:09,835 --> 00:59:10,195</time>
<s>你现在你像</s>
<time>2038_00:59:10,555 --> 00:59:11,275</time>
<s>你粉丝就得骂死你</s>
<time>2039_00:59:11,635 --> 00:59:11,995</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>2040_00:59:13,435 --> 00:59:14,155</time>
<s>刚才说那奇怪现象</s>
<time>2041_00:59:14,515 --> 00:59:15,595</time>
<s>就是总是提到一半</s>
<time>2042_00:59:15,955 --> 00:59:16,675</time>
<s>说那美妆的事</s>
<time>2043_00:59:17,035 --> 00:59:17,395</time>
<s>我当时我说</s>
<time>2044_00:59:17,755 --> 00:59:18,835</time>
<s>如果做美妆是会掉粉吗</s>
<time>2045_00:59:19,195 --> 00:59:20,635</time>
<s>然后这帮人开玩笑说</s>
<time>2046_00:59:20,995 --> 00:59:21,355</time>
<s>为什么掉粉</s>
<time>2047_00:59:22,435 --> 00:59:23,875</time>
<s>后来你想我化了二十年妆</s>
<time>2048_00:59:24,226 --> 00:59:24,946</time>
<s>是因为舞台</s>
<time>2049_00:59:25,666 --> 00:59:26,746</time>
<s>最后完了我的团队呢</s>
<time>2050_00:59:27,106 --> 00:59:28,546</time>
<s>让我非得化那么点妆去瑟</s>
<time>2051_00:59:28,906 --> 00:59:29,626</time>
<s>整个美妆</s>
<time>2052_00:59:29,986 --> 00:59:31,066</time>
<s>结果一天晚上涨了三万粉丝</s>
<time>2053_00:59:31,426 --> 00:59:32,146</time>
<s>你从哪说理去</s>
<time>2054_00:59:33,946 --> 00:59:34,290</time>
<s>你还不高兴了</s>
<time>2055_00:59:34,650 --> 00:59:35,370</time>
<s>我那三十万粉丝</s>
<time>2056_00:59:35,730 --> 00:59:36,810</time>
<s>我辛辛苦苦二十来年</s>
<time>2057_00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:38,250</time>
<s>我以为这是一个标本</s>
<time>2058_00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:38,970</time>
<s>说明摇滚乐队</s>
<time>2059_00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:40,050</time>
<s>生存不下去了</s>
<time>2060_00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:41,130</time>
<s>不得不卖口红去了</s>
<time>2061_00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:41,850</time>
<s>。</s><s>那没有</s>
<time>2062_00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:42,570</time>
<s>戏路子宽</s>
<time>2063_00:59:43,290 --> 00:59:44,369</time>
<s>现在还没有色号找我呢</s>
<time>2064_00:59:44,729 --> 00:59:45,809</time>
<s>还没带货呢是吧</s>
<time>2065_00:59:47,249 --> 00:59:47,969</time>
<s>粉丝其实有时候</s>
<time>2066_00:59:48,329 --> 00:59:49,409</time>
<s>会装得努力跟上的</s>
<time>2067_00:59:49,769 --> 00:59:50,489</time>
<s>比如说像我以前</s>
<time>2068_00:59:50,849 --> 00:59:51,569</time>
<s>喜欢那个窦唯滋</s>
<time>2069_00:59:51,929 --> 00:59:53,009</time>
<s>后来他出的专辑都没有歌了</s>
<time>2070_00:59:53,369 --> 00:59:53,729</time>
<s>都全是曲子嘛</s>
<time>2071_00:59:54,089 --> 00:59:54,800</time>
<s>就是他</s>
<time>2072_00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:55,520</time>
<s>我们就得努力装得</s>
<time>2073_00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,240</time>
<s>还能听懂呗</s>
<time>2074_00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,120</time>
<s>所以其实这个亚东说的</s>
<time>2075_00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,200</time>
<s>说到底它是一个问题</s>
<time>2076_01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:01,280</time>
<s>我觉得你们音乐人</s>
<time>2077_01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,360</time>
<s>都面临一个问题</s>
<time>2078_01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,800</time>
<s>就是为自己的音乐</s>
<time>2079_01:00:05,224 --> 01:00:06,304</time>
<s>还是为人民的音乐</s>
<time>2080_01:00:07,744 --> 01:00:08,464</time>
<s>你在这个矛盾当中</s>
<time>2081_01:00:08,824 --> 01:00:09,544</time>
<s>你们都怎么选</s>
<time>2082_01:00:09,904 --> 01:00:10,984</time>
<s>自己爽还是别人爽对</s>
<time>2083_01:00:11,704 --> 01:00:12,064</time>
<s>你怎公选呢</s>
<time>2084_01:00:13,504 --> 01:00:14,943</time>
<s>按照官方来说</s>
<time>2085_01:00:15,663 --> 01:00:16,743</time>
<s>不就是人民的音乐吗</s>
<time>2086_01:00:18,543 --> 01:00:19,263</time>
<s>可能太官方了对</s>
<time>2087_01:00:19,623 --> 01:00:20,343</time>
<s>其实我觉得就是</s>
<time>2088_01:00:20,703 --> 01:00:21,783</time>
<s>对就像刚才你说</s>
<time>2089_01:00:22,143 --> 01:00:22,863</time>
<s>其实我的舞台的问题</s>
<time>2090_01:00:23,223 --> 01:00:24,303</time>
<s>你说是看别人爽吗肯定有</s>
<time>2091_01:00:25,734 --> 01:00:26,454</time>
<s>然后别人看你特别</s>
<time>2092_01:00:26,814 --> 01:00:28,254</time>
<s>跟着你动的时候</s>
<time>2093_01:00:28,614 --> 01:00:29,694</time>
<s>对你的那种外在的刺激</s>
<time>2094_01:00:30,414 --> 01:00:31,854</time>
<s>人就像虚荣心都有</s>
<time>2095_01:00:32,214 --> 01:00:34,717</time>
<s>对但是音乐说实话</s>
<time>2096_01:00:35,077 --> 01:00:35,797</time>
<s>越写会越矛盾</s>
<time>2097_01:00:37,597 --> 01:00:37,957</time>
<s>越写越矛盾</s>
<time>2098_01:00:38,317 --> 01:00:39,037</time>
<s>因为你一开始打江山的时候</s>
<time>2099_01:00:39,397 --> 01:00:41,197</time>
<s>你写的一定是你自己</s>
<time>2100_01:00:41,557 --> 01:00:42,637</time>
<s>最后你有一定的小江山了</s>
<time>2101_01:00:42,997 --> 01:00:44,437</time>
<s>有一定你的小基础的时候</s>
<time>2102_01:00:44,796 --> 01:00:45,156</time>
<s>你这个东西</s>
<time>2103_01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:46,596</time>
<s>就越来越难以琢磨对</s>
<time>2104_01:00:46,956 --> 01:00:47,316</time>
<s>当然还有一种</s>
<time>2105_01:00:47,676 --> 01:00:48,756</time>
<s>就比较走入个人化的</s>
<time>2106_01:00:49,116 --> 01:00:49,836</time>
<s>就像刚才你谈到窦唯也好</s>
<time>2107_01:00:50,196 --> 01:00:51,996</time>
<s>其实这个就是慢慢就修自己</s>
<time>2108_01:00:52,356 --> 01:00:53,076</time>
<s>他不考虑太多对</s>
<time>2109_01:00:53,436 --> 01:00:54,516</time>
<s>但是我们就不能</s>
<time>2110_01:00:54,867 --> 01:00:57,387</time>
<s>用市场的份额去评判他了</s>
<time>2111_01:00:57,747 --> 01:00:58,467</time>
<s>或者说能不能读懂</s>
<time>2112_01:00:58,827 --> 01:00:59,187</time>
<s>我认为往心走的</s>
<time>2113_01:00:59,547 --> 01:01:00,627</time>
<s>我们不能读懂</s>
<time>2114_01:01:00,987 --> 01:01:01,347</time>
<s>也读不太懂</s>
<time>2115_01:01:01,707 --> 01:01:02,787</time>
<s>对所以最后你知道</s>
<time>2116_01:01:03,147 --> 01:01:04,930</time>
<s>我看过约翰列侬一个纪录片</s>
<time>2117_01:01:05,290 --> 01:01:06,730</time>
<s>我真的是觉得今天的乐迷</s>
<time>2118_01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:08,170</time>
<s>或者说所有的人</s>
<time>2119_01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:11,050</time>
<s>能不能欣赏一种人格美</s>
<time>2120_01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:12,490</time>
<s>就是你知道最后我就看着</s>
<time>2121_01:01:12,850 --> 01:01:13,930</time>
<s>纪录片最后一个镜头</s>
<time>2122_01:01:14,290 --> 01:01:16,808</time>
<s>就是那个尘和雾气迷范</s>
<time>2123_01:01:17,168 --> 01:01:19,328</time>
<s>两个人就穿着风衣互相挽着</s>
<time>2124_01:01:19,688 --> 01:01:20,768</time>
<s>走向迷雾深处</s>
<time>2125_01:01:21,128 --> 01:01:22,208</time>
<s>就是走向他们所要的</s>
<time>2126_01:01:22,568 --> 01:01:24,368</time>
<s>那个精神之地</s>
<time>2127_01:01:24,728 --> 01:01:25,439</time>
<s>对他们</s>
<time>2128_01:01:25,799 --> 01:01:27,239</time>
<s>像他我也看过那个</s>
<time>2129_01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:28,679</time>
<s>像他演出的时候</s>
<time>2130_01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:33,719</time>
<s>他每一句话都是那么好</s>
<time>2131_01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:35,862</time>
<s>他跟那个观众说那个</s>
<time>2132_01:01:36,222 --> 01:01:38,382</time>
<s>那个后排的观众</s>
<time>2133_01:01:38,742 --> 01:01:39,822</time>
<s>请你们拍手</s>
<time>2134_01:01:40,182 --> 01:01:40,902</time>
<s>前排的观众</s>
<time>2135_01:01:41,262 --> 01:01:42,702</time>
<s>把你们珠宝弄得响一点</s>
<time>2136_01:01:44,142 --> 01:01:44,502</time>
<s>酷</s>
<time>2137_01:01:44,862 --> 01:01:45,220</time>
<s>就是酷</s>
<time>2138_01:01:45,580 --> 01:01:45,940</time>
<s>就是在那个时候</s>
<time>2139_01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:47,740</time>
<s>他没什么废话的</s>
<time>2140_01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:49,900</time>
<s>他每天的日常的生活</s>
<time>2141_01:01:50,260 --> 01:01:53,140</time>
<s>可能都是跟他自己思考有关的</s>
<time>2142_01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:53,860</time>
<s>所以他觉得</s>
<time>2143_01:01:55,291 --> 01:01:56,011</time>
<s>现在有的时候</s>
<time>2144_01:01:56,371 --> 01:01:58,171</time>
<s>我有的时候特别想要</s>
<time>2145_01:01:59,611 --> 01:02:00,691</time>
<s>让自己就不要失去</s>
<time>2146_01:02:01,051 --> 01:02:03,931</time>
<s>那个每天就是变成一个</s>
<time>2147_01:02:04,291 --> 01:02:05,011</time>
<s>怎么说呢</s>
<time>2148_01:02:05,354 --> 01:02:06,434</time>
<s>有的时候我特别不愿意</s>
<time>2149_01:02:06,794 --> 01:02:08,594</time>
<s>跟朋友聊天说一个什么事情</s>
