<time>436_00:14:32,673 --> 00:14:33,753</time>
<s>他们真的是</s>
<time>437_00:14:34,113 --> 00:14:36,258</time>
<s>就是说天黑以后</s>
<time>438_00:14:36,618 --> 00:14:39,858</time>
<s>平均3.3小时入睡</s>
<time>439_00:14:40,218 --> 00:14:40,938</time>
<s>在天亮的时候</s>
<time>440_00:14:41,298 --> 00:14:43,098</time>
<s>就是太阳出来的时候醒来</s>
<time>441_00:14:43,458 --> 00:14:45,258</time>
<s>就最大限度利用这个日照</s>
<time>442_00:14:45,618 --> 00:14:47,777</time>
<s>所以为什么他们说睡觉以前</s>
<time>443_00:14:48,137 --> 00:14:50,657</time>
<s>你就不应看这个屏幕手机屏幕</s>
<time>444_00:14:51,017 --> 00:14:52,457</time>
<s>就是这个蓝光</s>
<time>445_00:14:52,817 --> 00:14:54,257</time>
<s>蓝光会使得</s>
<time>446_00:14:54,617 --> 00:14:56,770</time>
<s>你的这个兴奋程度降不下来</s>
<time>447_00:14:57,130 --> 00:14:57,490</time>
<s>对影响褪黑素</s>
<time>448_00:14:57,850 --> 00:14:58,930</time>
<s>咱俩讲到就是人到了</s>
<time>449_00:14:59,290 --> 00:14:59,650</time>
<s>我们到了一定年龄了</s>
<time>450_00:15:00,010 --> 00:15:01,810</time>
<s>开始关心人类的起源</s>
<time>451_00:15:02,170 --> 00:15:03,970</time>
<s>我们所有都是跟进化有关系</s>
<time>452_00:15:04,330 --> 00:15:05,050</time>
<s>就包括糖尿病</s>
<time>453_00:15:05,410 --> 00:15:06,474</time>
<s>为什么现在这么多糖尿病</s>
<time>454_00:15:06,834 --> 00:15:08,274</time>
<s>也是因为我们的进化</s>
<time>455_00:15:08,634 --> 00:15:10,794</time>
<s>习惯于我们要多摄入那种</s>
<time>456_00:15:11,154 --> 00:15:12,954</time>
<s>高能量高糖这种东西</s>
<time>457_00:15:13,314 --> 00:15:14,034</time>
<s>但是现在我们代谢不了</s>
<time>458_00:15:14,394 --> 00:15:17,273</time>
<s>因为我们智人的时间太短</s>
<time>459_00:15:17,633 --> 00:15:18,713</time>
<s>其实睡眠也是一样</s>
<time>460_00:15:19,073 --> 00:15:20,153</time>
<s>它就说因为我们远古时期</s>
<time>461_00:15:20,513 --> 00:15:21,953</time>
<s>那些都是采集社会</s>
<time>462_00:15:22,313 --> 00:15:23,753</time>
<s>那些人你哪有时间睡个整觉</s>
<time>463_00:15:24,113 --> 00:15:26,265</time>
<s>就是现在跑出去俩小时</s>
<time>464_00:15:26,625 --> 00:15:27,345</time>
<s>去采集去打猎</s>
<time>465_00:15:27,705 --> 00:15:28,065</time>
<s>然后回来</s>
<time>466_00:15:28,425 --> 00:15:28,785</time>
<s>就是说睡眠</s>
<time>467_00:15:29,145 --> 00:15:30,225</time>
<s>它没有一个固定的模式</s>
<time>468_00:15:30,585 --> 00:15:31,305</time>
<s>就是在远古时期</s>
<time>469_00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:32,745</time>
<s>为什么我们现在</s>
<time>470_00:15:33,105 --> 00:15:34,185</time>
<s>我一讲就是焦虑</s>
<time>471_00:15:34,545 --> 00:15:35,625</time>
<s>我一想我明天早上要开会</s>
<time>472_00:15:35,985 --> 00:15:37,049</time>
<s>我就必须得白天</s>
<time>473_00:15:37,409 --> 00:15:38,129</time>
<s>保持一个高效率</s>
<time>474_00:15:38,489 --> 00:15:39,929</time>
<s>晚上不像古人</s>
<time>475_00:15:40,289 --> 00:15:41,729</time>
<s>是我是看着大自然</s>
<time>476_00:15:42,089 --> 00:15:42,809</time>
<s>太阳落下来了</s>
<time>477_00:15:43,169 --> 00:15:43,889</time>
<s>心情起来了</s>
<time>478_00:15:44,249 --> 00:15:44,969</time>
<s>我自然就开始睡觉了</s>
<time>479_00:15:45,329 --> 00:15:46,049</time>
<s>我们不行</s>
<time>480_00:15:46,409 --> 00:15:46,769</time>
<s>我们是要告诉我们</s>
<time>481_00:15:47,129 --> 00:15:48,569</time>
<s>明天早上七点钟你要开会</s>
<time>482_00:15:48,929 --> 00:15:49,289</time>
<s>我一到开会的时候</s>
<time>483_00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:50,369</time>
<s>我就开始焦虑了</s>
<time>484_00:15:50,729 --> 00:15:51,449</time>
<s>我说我明天早上起不来</s>
<time>485_00:15:51,809 --> 00:15:53,249</time>
<s>越这么想晚上越睡不着</s>
<time>486_00:15:53,609 --> 00:15:55,049</time>
<s>睡眠被时间</s>
<time>487_00:15:55,409 --> 00:15:57,560</time>
<s>就现代性时间所规范了</s>
<time>488_00:15:58,640 --> 00:15:59,720</time>
<s>反而导致了</s>
<time>489_00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:00,440</time>
<s>各种焦虑</s>
<time>490_00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,880</time>
<s>失眠的这种焦虑</s>
<time>491_00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,040</time>
<s>你原来没有这种时间规范</s>
<time>492_00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,480</time>
<s>又没有钟表对吧</s>
<time>493_00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:06,904</time>
<s>想躺就躺一会儿</s>
<time>494_00:16:07,264 --> 00:16:09,064</time>
<s>这个草地上树林底下</s>
<time>495_00:16:09,424 --> 00:16:11,944</time>
<s>那随便躺随便睡</s>
<time>496_00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:14,824</time>
<s>大可兄您不是研究这个梦吗</s>
<time>497_00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:16,623</time>
<s>这个这个什么远古之梦</s>
<time>498_00:16:16,983 --> 00:16:18,063</time>
<s>神话传说</s>
<time>499_00:16:18,423 --> 00:16:19,863</time>
<s>神话里面是这样的</s>
<time>500_00:16:20,223 --> 00:16:22,023</time>
<s>希腊有睡神</s>
<time>501_00:16:24,183 --> 00:16:24,543</time>
<s>有睡神</s>
<time>502_00:16:25,983 --> 00:16:27,775</time>
<s>希腊睡神他的李生兄弟</s>
<time>503_00:16:28,135 --> 00:16:29,575</time>
<s>是死神</s>
<time>504_00:16:29,935 --> 00:16:30,655</time>
<s>因为他们认为</s>
<time>505_00:16:31,015 --> 00:16:33,535</time>
<s>这个死跟睡没啥区别</s>
<time>506_00:16:33,895 --> 00:16:34,255</time>
<s>长眠</s>
<time>507_00:16:34,615 --> 00:16:35,335</time>
<s>睡不过是短暂的死亡而已</s>
<time>508_00:16:35,695 --> 00:16:36,055</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>509_00:16:36,415 --> 00:16:39,639</time>
<s>对吧这个死亡是</s>
<time>510_00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:41,439</time>
<s>长久的永恒的睡眠</s>
<time>511_00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:42,879</time>
<s>—”他是这样来分的圆桌派[看理想</s>
<time>512_00:16:43,239 --> 00:16:43,959</time>
<s>—所以他们是李生兄弟圆桌派[看理想]</s>
<time>513_00:16:44,319 --> 00:16:45,759</time>
<s>—”他们的共同的母亲圆桌派[看理想]</s>
<time>514_00:16:46,479 --> 00:16:46,838</time>
<s>是黑暗女神</s>
<time>515_00:16:48,278 --> 00:16:49,358</time>
<s>因为黑夜降临他们都</s>
<time>516_00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:50,798</time>
<s>而且他们都住在冥府</s>
<time>517_00:16:51,158 --> 00:16:52,958</time>
<s>所以都跟死亡有关系</s>
<time>518_00:16:53,318 --> 00:16:54,398</time>
<s>所以睡眠对他们来讲</s>
<time>519_00:16:54,758 --> 00:16:56,198</time>
<s>就是一次短暂的死亡</s>
<time>520_00:16:57,989 --> 00:16:59,429</time>
<s>但中国没有这个东西</s>
<time>521_00:16:59,789 --> 00:17:02,309</time>
<s>中国是没有睡神</s>
<time>522_00:17:02,669 --> 00:17:03,749</time>
<s>也没有梦神</s>
<time>523_00:17:04,109 --> 00:17:04,829</time>
<s>希腊还有梦神</s>
<time>524_00:17:06,269 --> 00:17:06,972</time>
<s>有六千个梦神</s>
<time>525_00:17:08,412 --> 00:17:09,492</time>
<s>管各种各样的梦</s>
<time>526_00:17:09,852 --> 00:17:10,572</time>
<s>为什么那么多的</s>
<time>527_00:17:10,932 --> 00:17:12,012</time>
<s>他们非常发达梦神</s>
<time>528_00:17:13,812 --> 00:17:14,892</time>
<s>是不同的梦代表不同的意思</s>
<time>529_00:17:15,252 --> 00:17:15,612</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>530_00:17:15,972 --> 00:17:16,692</time>
<s>要祈求不同的神灵</s>
<time>531_00:17:17,051 --> 00:17:19,211</time>
<s>但中国就有周公解梦</s>
<time>532_00:17:19,571 --> 00:17:20,291</time>
<s>没有梦神</s>
<time>533_00:17:20,651 --> 00:17:21,011</time>
<s>周公就算梦神了</s>
<time>534_00:17:22,451 --> 00:17:23,891</time>
<s>但中国有床神</s>
<time>535_00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:24,971</time>
<s>名叫席梦思</s>
<time>536_00:17:25,331 --> 00:17:26,051</time>
<s>不是</s>
<time>537_00:17:26,411 --> 00:17:28,923</time>
<s>床神他分床公床母</s>
<time>538_00:17:29,283 --> 00:17:29,643</time>
<s>还有这么一个说法</s>
<time>539_00:17:30,003 --> 00:17:31,803</time>
<s>它是分对的</s>
<time>540_00:17:32,163 --> 00:17:32,523</time>
<s>床公床母</s>
<time>541_00:17:32,883 --> 00:17:33,963</time>
<s>一个拿着芭蕉叶子</s>
<time>542_00:17:34,323 --> 00:17:37,906</time>
<s>一个拿着这个荷花叶子</s>
<time>543_00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:38,986</time>
<s>一朵荷花</s>
<time>544_00:17:39,346 --> 00:17:40,786</time>
<s>所以床都分公母</s>
<time>545_00:17:41,146 --> 00:17:41,866</time>
<s>分公母的</s>
<time>546_00:17:42,226 --> 00:17:43,306</time>
<s>你这个晚上祭拜</s>
<time>547_00:17:43,666 --> 00:17:44,746</time>
<s>你要在床头或者床尾</s>
<time>548_00:17:45,106 --> 00:17:46,186</time>
<s>要祭他们</s>
<time>549_00:17:46,546 --> 00:17:47,985</time>
<s>而且还有一个安床仪式</s>
<time>550_00:17:48,345 --> 00:17:49,065</time>
<s>也是很有讲究的</s>
<time>551_00:17:49,425 --> 00:17:49,785</time>
<s>那个中国那个</s>
<time>552_00:17:50,145 --> 00:17:51,585</time>
<s>你看那个黄道吉日里面</s>
<time>553_00:17:51,945 --> 00:17:53,025</time>
<s>有这天宜安床</s>
<time>554_00:17:54,825 --> 00:17:56,265</time>
<s>为什么今天宜安床呢</s>
<time>555_00:17:56,625 --> 00:17:57,335</time>
<s>就是这个日子</s>
<time>556_00:17:57,695 --> 00:17:59,135</time>
<s>是床神比较高兴的时候</s>
<time>557_00:17:59,495 --> 00:18:01,655</time>
<s>而且这个您讲这个仪式</s>
<time>558_00:18:02,015 --> 00:18:02,735</time>
<s>我从王老师那儿</s>
<time>559_00:18:03,095 --> 00:18:04,175</time>
<s>还学习一个观点</s>
<time>560_00:18:04,535 --> 00:18:04,895</time>
<s>就是说这个对于</s>
<time>561_00:18:05,255 --> 00:18:07,055</time>
<s>很多失眠的人来说</s>
<time>562_00:18:07,399 --> 00:18:08,479</time>
<s>我这个特有体会</s>
<time>563_00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:10,279</time>
<s>睡觉最后成了个仪式</s>
<time>564_00:18:10,639 --> 00:18:10,999</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>565_00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:11,719</time>
<s>成了个仪式</s>
<time>566_00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:13,159</time>
<s>睡觉本身也是仪式</s>
<time>567_00:18:13,519 --> 00:18:14,599</time>
<s>就完蛋了你知道吗</s>
<time>568_00:18:14,959 --> 00:18:15,319</time>
<s>就是你比如说</s>
<time>569_00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:16,399</time>
<s>就是你还是把它看太重了</s>
<time>570_00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:18,917</time>
<s>我曾经为了这个睡觉</s>
<time>571_00:18:19,277 --> 00:18:19,997</time>
<s>我直到现在</s>
<time>572_00:18:20,357 --> 00:18:21,077</time>
<s>就是这个窗</s>
<time>573_00:18:21,437 --> 00:18:23,237</time>
<s>这个窗帘</s>
<time>574_00:18:23,597 --> 00:18:25,397</time>
<s>遮光窗帘纱帘</s>
<time>575_00:18:25,757 --> 00:18:26,837</time>
<s>外边再一层帘</s>
<time>576_00:18:27,197 --> 00:18:28,988</time>
<s>一丝儿都不能透得出来</s>
<time>577_00:18:29,348 --> 00:18:29,708</time>
<s>你知道最后</s>
<time>578_00:18:30,068 --> 00:18:30,428</time>
<s>你会进入一个神经质</s>
<time>579_00:18:30,788 --> 00:18:31,508</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>580_00:18:31,868 --> 00:18:32,588</time>
<s>看哪透光了是吧</s>
<time>581_00:18:32,948 --> 00:18:34,388</time>
<s>就是这一个光</s>
<time>582_00:18:34,748 --> 00:18:35,828</time>
<s>我整天跟那个做窗帘的</s>
<time>583_00:18:36,188 --> 00:18:36,908</time>
<s>跟他投诉</s>
<time>584_00:18:37,268 --> 00:18:39,051</time>
<s>不行这儿我说百分之百</s>
<time>585_00:18:39,411 --> 00:18:40,851</time>
<s>一丝儿都不能有</s>
<time>586_00:18:41,211 --> 00:18:43,011</time>
<s>你睡不着的人你看见</s>
<time>587_00:18:43,371 --> 00:18:44,811</time>
<s>一线光</s>
<time>588_00:18:45,171 --> 00:18:46,251</time>
<s>就不行了你就町着它</s>
<time>589_00:18:46,971 --> 00:18:47,331</time>
<s>就完了</s>
<time>590_00:18:47,689 --> 00:18:48,769</time>
<s>就是你不能把它</s>
<time>591_00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:50,569</time>
<s>所以这个为什么说</s>
<time>592_00:18:50,929 --> 00:18:51,649</time>
<s>我觉得这是一个</s>
<time>593_00:18:52,009 --> 00:18:53,449</time>
<s>人生的一个感悟</s>
<time>594_00:18:53,809 --> 00:18:56,689</time>
<s>就是说包括对生活里的很多事</s>
<time>595_00:18:57,049 --> 00:19:02,440</time>
<s>你不能太仔细了</s>
<time>596_00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,320</time>
<s>甚至于我给您看两张照片</s>
<time>597_00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,823</time>
<s>王老师您关心政治家</s>
<time>598_00:19:08,183 --> 00:19:09,983</time>
<s>日本的这个政治家</s>
<time>599_00:19:10,343 --> 00:19:13,223</time>
<s>咱一看就知道是谁</s>
<time>600_00:19:13,583 --> 00:19:15,743</time>
<s>那个是麻生太郎</s>
<time>601_00:19:16,103 --> 00:19:16,463</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>602_00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,261</time>
<s>都睡着了这俩</s>
<time>603_00:19:18,621 --> 00:19:20,061</time>
<s>这是在联合国开会</s>
<time>604_00:19:20,421 --> 00:19:22,221</time>
<s>这哥俩着了</s>
<time>605_00:19:22,581 --> 00:19:24,741</time>
<s>然后你再看日本国会</s>
<time>606_00:19:25,101 --> 00:19:29,051</time>
<s>日本国会这么多人全在打儿</s>
<time>607_00:19:29,411 --> 00:19:31,211</time>
<s>但是后来我一看</s>
<time>608_00:19:31,571 --> 00:19:33,371</time>
<s>这在日本文化里</s>
<time>609_00:19:33,731 --> 00:19:35,171</time>
<s>竟然是可理解的</s>
<time>610_00:19:35,531 --> 00:19:36,971</time>
<s>就是说你要到日本</s>
<time>611_00:19:37,331 --> 00:19:38,754</time>
<s>据说经常能见到</s>
<time>612_00:19:39,114 --> 00:19:40,554</time>
<s>随地睡觉的人</s>
<time>613_00:19:40,914 --> 00:19:41,994</time>
<s>就是在地铁站里</s>
<time>614_00:19:42,354 --> 00:19:44,154</time>
<s>甚至在街上</s>
<time>615_00:19:44,514 --> 00:19:44,874</time>
<s>甚至就有时候</s>
<time>616_00:19:45,234 --> 00:19:46,314</time>
<s>就流着哈喇子</s>
<time>617_00:19:46,674 --> 00:19:47,394</time>
<s>靠在人肩膀上</s>
<time>618_00:19:47,754 --> 00:19:49,552</time>
<s>但是日本人可以理解这样的人</s>
<time>619_00:19:49,912 --> 00:19:52,432</time>
<s>他们觉得这种现象叫“居眠”</s>
<time>620_00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:54,592</time>
<s>居住的居睡眠的眠</s>
<time>621_00:19:54,952 --> 00:19:56,032</time>
<s>那意思就是什么呢</s>
<time>622_00:19:56,392 --> 00:19:57,472</time>
<s>这不是个贬义的</s>
<time>623_00:19:57,832 --> 00:19:58,542</time>
<s>就表明</s>
<time>624_00:19:59,982 --> 00:20:01,782</time>
<s>因为过去日本经济起飞的时候</s>
<time>625_00:20:02,142 --> 00:20:02,862</time>
<s>曾经有人说</s>
<time>626_00:20:03,222 --> 00:20:04,302</time>
<s>日本人好像是不睡觉的</s>
<time>627_00:20:04,662 --> 00:20:07,182</time>
<s>这正是你工作勤奋的表现</s>
<time>628_00:20:07,542 --> 00:20:09,684</time>
<s>因为你太起早贪黑了</s>
<time>629_00:20:10,044 --> 00:20:12,204</time>
<s>你像日本的一个职员</s>
<time>630_00:20:12,564 --> 00:20:15,084</time>
<s>他说他的本职工作就是做到</s>
<time>631_00:20:15,444 --> 00:20:18,322</time>
<s>早上上班永远要比社长早到</s>
<time>632_00:20:18,682 --> 00:20:20,842</time>
<s>下班永远要比社长晚走</s>
<time>633_00:20:21,202 --> 00:20:23,002</time>
<s>但是他坐办公室里</s>
<time>634_00:20:23,362 --> 00:20:24,802</time>
<s>社长不叫他的时候</s>
<time>635_00:20:25,162 --> 00:20:26,242</time>
<s>他就打个盹儿</s>
<time>636_00:20:26,602 --> 00:20:28,392</time>
<s>大家看到就觉得这是勤勉的</s>
<time>637_00:20:29,112 --> 00:20:29,832</time>
<s>勤勉的员工</s>
<time>638_00:20:30,192 --> 00:20:31,632</time>
<s>勤劳的人</s>
<time>639_00:20:31,992 --> 00:20:33,432</time>
<s>就是说他这个随时随地</s>
<time>640_00:20:33,792 --> 00:20:35,232</time>
<s>他能打个盹</s>
<time>641_00:20:35,592 --> 00:20:36,312</time>
<s>但是从另外一方面来讲</s>
<time>642_00:20:36,672 --> 00:20:37,392</time>
<s>我觉得这是一种能力</s>
<time>643_00:20:38,454 --> 00:20:38,814</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>644_00:20:39,534 --> 00:20:40,254</time>
<s>你讲得好</s>
<time>645_00:20:40,614 --> 00:20:42,054</time>
<s>对吧你随时可以把</s>
<time>646_00:20:42,414 --> 00:20:42,774</time>
<s>很让人美慕的能力对</s>
<time>647_00:20:43,134 --> 00:20:44,214</time>
<s>太让人羡慕了</s>
<time>648_00:20:44,574 --> 00:20:47,094</time>
<s>你说这个人随时随地可以睡着</s>
<time>649_00:20:47,454 --> 00:20:48,892</time>
<s>随时随地可以醒过来</s>
<time>650_00:20:49,252 --> 00:20:50,332</time>
<s>这个太了不起了</s>
<time>651_00:20:50,692 --> 00:20:51,412</time>
<s>这就是能力</s>
<time>652_00:20:51,772 --> 00:20:52,132</time>
<s>而且讲那个猫</s>
<time>653_00:20:52,492 --> 00:20:53,932</time>
<s>为什么它老那么</s>
<time>654_00:20:54,292 --> 00:20:55,012</time>
<s>猫你看它就是</s>
<time>655_00:20:55,372 --> 00:20:56,092</time>
<s>随时随地可以打盹儿</s>
<time>656_00:20:56,452 --> 00:20:56,812</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>657_00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:58,252</time>
<s>那英文不叫什么takeanap</s>
<time>658_00:20:58,602 --> 00:20:59,322</time>
<s>我就有这个本事</s>
<time>659_00:20:59,682 --> 00:21:00,762</time>
<s>这样真好</s>
<time>660_00:21:01,122 --> 00:21:01,842</time>
<s>这挺让人美慕的</s>
<time>661_00:21:02,202 --> 00:21:02,562</time>
<s>我不好意思</s>
<time>662_00:21:02,922 --> 00:21:03,642</time>
<s>我自夸了一下</s>
<time>663_00:21:04,002 --> 00:21:05,442</time>
<s>对我必须让你自夸一下</s>
<time>664_00:21:05,802 --> 00:21:06,882</time>
<s>因为我还可以给你打个岔</s>
<time>665_00:21:07,242 --> 00:21:09,024</time>
<s>就跟王老师聊这个睡觉的</s>
<time>666_00:21:09,384 --> 00:21:10,824</time>
<s>那个朝阳医院那个睡眠中心</s>
<time>667_00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:11,904</time>
<s>这个郭大夫</s>
<time>668_00:21:12,264 --> 00:21:13,704</time>
<s>他自吹不是他自吹了</s>
<time>669_00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:14,784</time>
<s>他自己说</s>
<time>670_00:21:15,144 --> 00:21:16,584</time>
<s>我真觉得难以相信</s>
<time>671_00:21:16,944 --> 00:21:17,664</time>
<s>他说我曾经在</s>
<time>672_00:21:18,024 --> 00:21:19,821</time>
<s>电视台演播厅表演过</s>
<time>673_00:21:20,181 --> 00:21:21,261</time>
<s>他们就接上那个监测仪器</s>
<time>674_00:21:22,701 --> 00:21:23,781</time>
<s>众目瞬瞬之下</s>
<time>675_00:21:24,141 --> 00:21:24,501</time>
<s>电视台演播厅</s>
<time>676_00:21:24,861 --> 00:21:27,381</time>
<s>对这儿镜头对着他</s>
<time>677_00:21:27,741 --> 00:21:28,101</time>
<s>当场睡着</s>
<time>678_00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:29,891</time>
<s>三分钟进入深度睡眠</s>
<time>679_00:21:30,251 --> 00:21:32,051</time>
<s>他这是不是自我催眠呢</s>
<time>680_00:21:32,411 --> 00:21:34,211</time>
<s>不是他就说他天生睡眠这事</s>
<time>681_00:21:34,571 --> 00:21:34,931</time>
<s>人家就不在话下</s>
<time>682_00:21:35,291 --> 00:21:35,651</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>683_00:21:36,011 --> 00:21:36,731</time>
<s>你讲讲你的</s>
<time>684_00:21:37,091 --> 00:21:38,873</time>
<s>我呢是没他这么牛</s>
<time>685_00:21:39,233 --> 00:21:40,313</time>
<s>但是就至少就是说</s>
<time>686_00:21:40,673 --> 00:21:42,473</time>
<s>我今天我睡少一点点</s>
<time>687_00:21:42,833 --> 00:21:43,913</time>
<s>我坐在车上</s>
<time>688_00:21:44,273 --> 00:21:46,793</time>
<s>比如说跟朋友带我开车出去</s>
<time>689_00:21:47,153 --> 00:21:48,233</time>
<s>路上也就是一刻钟的时间</s>
<time>690_00:21:48,593 --> 00:21:51,110</time>
<s>这一刻钟马上我就睡着了</s>
<time>691_00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:53,990</time>
<s>等到达我就醒了</s>
<time>692_00:21:54,350 --> 00:21:56,870</time>
<s>那我就偷了一刻钟的时间</s>
<time>693_00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:57,590</time>
<s>赚回来了</s>
<time>694_00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:01,180</time>
<s>这种人我都觉得是神仙</s>
<time>695_00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:02,260</time>
<s>我觉得这是一个天赋的</s>
<time>696_00:22:02,620 --> 00:22:03,700</time>
<s>但我也可以长时间不睡</s>
<time>697_00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:05,140</time>
<s>我最长时间是</s>
<time>698_00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,300</time>
<s>一个月零二十天</s>
<time>699_00:22:08,380 --> 00:22:09,441</time>
<s>没有睡</s>
<time>700_00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:10,521</time>
<s>只睡一个钟头</s>
<time>701_00:22:10,881 --> 00:22:11,961</time>
<s>就中午打一会儿盹</s>
<time>702_00:22:12,321 --> 00:22:12,681</time>
<s>不可能</s>
<time>703_00:22:13,041 --> 00:22:13,761</time>
<s>可是这会出毛病的我觉得</s>
<time>704_00:22:14,121 --> 00:22:15,201</time>
<s>结果我后来弄出个高血压</s>
<time>705_00:22:16,641 --> 00:22:17,001</time>
<s>高血压是吧</s>
<time>706_00:22:17,361 --> 00:22:18,441</time>
<s>但是我没有补睡</s>
<time>707_00:22:18,801 --> 00:22:19,518</time>
<s>就是后边再没有补</s>
<time>708_00:22:19,878 --> 00:22:20,598</time>
<s>你先说为什么一个月</s>
<time>709_00:22:20,958 --> 00:22:21,678</time>
<s>谁不让你睡</s>
<time>710_00:22:22,038 --> 00:22:22,398</time>
<s>不是不让我睡</s>
<time>711_00:22:22,758 --> 00:22:24,918</time>
<s>我当时在做一本书</s>
<time>712_00:22:25,278 --> 00:22:27,798</time>
<s>就是一种完全像打了鸡血一样</s>
<time>713_00:22:28,158 --> 00:22:29,228</time>
<s>亢奋状态</s>
<time>714_00:22:29,588 --> 00:22:30,668</time>
<s>而且它持续性的亢奋</s>
<time>715_00:22:31,028 --> 00:22:32,108</time>
<s>王老师这个</s>
<time>716_00:22:32,468 --> 00:22:33,908</time>
<s>您像我知道您写小说的时候</s>
<time>717_00:22:34,268 --> 00:22:36,068</time>
<s>那家伙激情四射的</s>
<time>718_00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:40,729</time>
<s>我在我年轻的时候</s>
<time>719_00:22:41,089 --> 00:22:42,889</time>
<s>我最高速度</s>
<time>720_00:22:44,329 --> 00:22:46,129</time>
<s>一天可以写一万六千字</s>
<time>721_00:22:46,489 --> 00:22:47,209</time>
<s>那已经算很快的了</s>
<time>722_00:22:49,726 --> 00:22:51,886</time>
<s>我因为有那个少年时代</s>
<time>723_00:22:52,246 --> 00:22:54,046</time>
<s>睡觉不好的经验</s>
<time>724_00:22:54,406 --> 00:22:57,286</time>
<s>所以我自控能力比较强</s>
<time>725_00:22:57,646 --> 00:23:01,235</time>
<s>即使说是这天兴奋了高兴了</s>
<time>726_00:23:01,595 --> 00:23:03,395</time>
<s>写到晚上九点了十点了</s>
<time>727_00:23:03,755 --> 00:23:05,195</time>
<s>我十一点我绝对睡</s>
<time>728_00:23:05,555 --> 00:23:07,355</time>
<s>死活我得睡</s>
<time>729_00:23:07,715 --> 00:23:09,497</time>
<s>我睡不着我不想睡</s>
<time>730_00:23:09,857 --> 00:23:10,217</time>
<s>我都得睡</s>
<time>731_00:23:10,577 --> 00:23:12,017</time>
<s>我有一种自控能力</s>
<time>732_00:23:12,377 --> 00:23:14,537</time>
<s>那您这辈子饱经沧桑的</s>
<time>733_00:23:14,897 --> 00:23:17,777</time>
<s>甚至是到新疆去待了十六年</s>
<time>734_00:23:18,857 --> 00:23:20,293</time>
<s>到新疆睡得就更好了</s>
<time>735_00:23:22,093 --> 00:23:22,813</time>
<s>那氧气好</s>
<time>736_00:23:23,173 --> 00:23:25,333</time>
<s>那气候也好是吧</s>
<time>737_00:23:25,693 --> 00:23:30,002</time>
<s>而且都把那些不愉快的事都没有</s>
<time>738_00:23:30,362 --> 00:23:33,242</time>
<s>都跟那些咱们那个各民族哥们儿</s>
<time>739_00:23:33,602 --> 00:23:35,042</time>
<s>在那儿又神哨儿</s>
<time>740_00:23:35,402 --> 00:23:36,842</time>
<s>又喝酒又唱歌的那个</s>
<time>741_00:23:37,922 --> 00:23:40,423</time>
<s>当然有睡得很不好的时候</s>
<time>742_00:23:40,783 --> 00:23:41,863</time>
<s>这绝对有</s>
<time>743_00:23:42,223 --> 00:23:44,023</time>
<s>但是不严重</s>
<time>744_00:23:44,383 --> 00:23:45,103</time>
<s>因为我不知道怎么回事</s>
<time>745_00:23:45,463 --> 00:23:49,423</time>
<s>我老不相信</s>
<time>746_00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:52,300</time>
<s>不相信会有什么特别奇怪的事情</s>
<time>747_00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:54,460</time>
<s>我都是我觉得咱们</s>
<time>748_00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:55,900</time>
<s>反正转一转</s>
<time>749_00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:58,060</time>
<s>转两圈就又转回来了</s>
<time>750_00:23:58,420 --> 00:23:59,849</time>
<s>最后是</s>
<time>751_00:24:00,209 --> 00:24:01,649</time>
<s>我确实是比较乐观</s>
<time>752_00:24:02,009 --> 00:24:03,449</time>
<s>我刚才咱们说那个</s>
<time>753_00:24:03,809 --> 00:24:04,529</time>
<s>我又想起来</s>
<time>754_00:24:04,889 --> 00:24:07,049</time>
<s>这跟文化有点关系</s>
<time>755_00:24:07,409 --> 00:24:08,849</time>
<s>其实中国古书上</s>
<time>756_00:24:09,209 --> 00:24:10,270</time>
<s>没有失眠这个词</s>
<time>757_00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:12,070</time>
<s>这是五四以后的词</s>
<time>758_00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:12,790</time>
<s>是吗</s>
<time>759_00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:14,950</time>
<s>咱们回去得研究研究</s>
<time>760_00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:16,750</time>
<s>是不是从外语来的</s>
<time>761_00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:18,550</time>
<s>哪有失眠这个词</s>
<time>762_00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:19,270</time>
<s>说睡不好的</s>
<time>763_00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:20,706</time>
<s>林黛玉也睡不好</s>
<time>764_00:24:21,066 --> 00:24:21,426</time>
<s>日语来的</s>
<time>765_00:24:21,786 --> 00:24:22,866</time>
<s>林黛玉里头就描写</s>
<time>766_00:24:23,226 --> 00:24:25,026</time>
<s>说这一夜什么思来想去</s>
<time>767_00:24:26,826 --> 00:24:27,186</time>
<s>这个一直</s>
<time>768_00:24:27,546 --> 00:24:27,906</time>
<s>那那个辗转反侧</s>
<time>769_00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:29,706</time>
<s>算不算也算失眠</s>
<time>770_00:24:30,055 --> 00:24:31,495</time>
<s>对就是转反侧这些</s>
<time>771_00:24:31,855 --> 00:24:34,375</time>
<s>但从来没说过自个儿失眠</s>
<time>772_00:24:34,735 --> 00:24:36,535</time>
<s>就是因为原来我们对睡眠</s>
<time>773_00:24:36,895 --> 00:24:38,695</time>
<s>并没有一种医学的</s>
<time>774_00:24:39,055 --> 00:24:40,115</time>
<s>医学科学的</s>
<time>775_00:24:40,475 --> 00:24:42,995</time>
<s>生理学的一个规范的说法</s>
<time>776_00:24:43,355 --> 00:24:44,435</time>
<s>说人一天应该睡</s>
<time>777_00:24:44,795 --> 00:24:46,595</time>
<s>什么八个小时七个小时</s>
<time>778_00:24:46,955 --> 00:24:48,395</time>
<s>你哪怕你说应该睡五个小时</s>
<time>779_00:24:48,755 --> 00:24:51,631</time>
<s>也有人他认为不够五个小时的</s>
<time>780_00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:53,791</time>
<s>我觉得这个确实有关系</s>
<time>781_00:24:54,151 --> 00:24:59,191</time>
<s>另外这个中国的这个哲人大家</s>
<time>782_00:24:59,551 --> 00:25:02,060</time>
<s>这个圣人里头</s>
<time>783_00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:04,940</time>
<s>你看这孔子对吃饭特重视</s>
<time>784_00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,460</time>
<s>对吃饭的论述非常严肃</s>
<time>785_00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:10,320</time>
<s>没论述过睡眠</s>
<time>786_00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,120</time>
<s>他哪论述过睡眠呢没有</s>
<time>787_00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,080</time>
<s>孟子对吃也重视</s>
<time>788_00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,240</time>
<s>他甚至于还提出来</s>
<time>789_00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,040</time>
<s>就是他的小康社会</s>
<time>790_00:25:20,396 --> 00:25:21,476</time>
<s>就是人到七十岁以后</s>
<time>791_00:25:21,836 --> 00:25:22,556</time>
<s>应该能吃肉</s>
<time>792_00:25:23,996 --> 00:25:25,796</time>
<s>不过他这标准也太惨点了</s>
<time>793_00:25:26,156 --> 00:25:27,596</time>
<s>您七十才吃肉</s>
<time>794_00:25:27,956 --> 00:25:30,116</time>
<s>这有点神哨儿这个</s>
<time>795_00:25:31,905 --> 00:25:32,985</time>
<s>谁讲过</s>
<time>796_00:25:33,345 --> 00:25:34,065</time>
<s>庄子讲过</s>
<time>797_00:25:34,425 --> 00:25:36,945</time>
<s>庄子叫至人无梦</s>
<time>798_00:25:37,305 --> 00:25:40,185</time>
<s>就你这人做到家了就不做梦</s>
<time>799_00:25:40,525 --> 00:25:41,605</time>
<s>他要求的是什么</s>
<time>800_00:25:41,965 --> 00:25:42,685</time>
<s>深度睡眠</s>
<time>801_00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:46,285</time>
<s>但是无梦本身并不值得提倡</s>
<time>802_00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:48,085</time>
<s>也不存在</s>
<time>803_00:25:48,445 --> 00:25:51,681</time>
<s>因为我有亲属有这个忧郁症</s>
<time>804_00:25:52,041 --> 00:25:55,641</time>
<s>忧郁症的一个前期</s>
<time>805_00:25:56,001 --> 00:25:57,441</time>
<s>就是你在忧郁症发作前</s>
<time>806_00:25:57,801 --> 00:25:59,601</time>
<s>半年或者一年</s>
<time>807_00:25:59,961 --> 00:26:00,669</time>
<s>就是什么梦都不做了</s>
<time>808_00:26:02,109 --> 00:26:03,909</time>
<s>说明做梦是必要的</s>
<time>809_00:26:04,269 --> 00:26:05,349</time>
<s>做梦是一种疗法</s>
<time>810_00:26:05,709 --> 00:26:06,789</time>
<s>对人的心理宣泄是有必要的</s>
<time>811_00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:08,229</time>
<s>就是说你有一部分</s>
<time>812_00:26:08,589 --> 00:26:10,389</time>
<s>精神不安的那个东西</s>
<time>813_00:26:10,729 --> 00:26:13,609</time>
<s>你睡你想撼住它撼不住</s>
<time>814_00:26:13,969 --> 00:26:15,049</time>
<s>你就是睡着了</s>
<time>815_00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:16,489</time>
<s>睡得很深了</s>
<time>816_00:26:16,849 --> 00:26:17,209</time>
<s>你也会做这个梦</s>
<time>817_00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:19,369</time>
<s>如说你的梦</s>
<time>818_00:26:19,729 --> 00:26:24,045</time>
<s>和这个生理欲望有关</s>
<time>819_00:26:24,405 --> 00:26:25,845</time>
<s>你做就做了</s>
<time>820_00:26:26,205 --> 00:26:28,005</time>
<s>做了它起码也是一种发泄</s>
<time>821_00:26:28,365 --> 00:26:28,725</time>
<s>释放</s>
<time>822_00:26:29,085 --> 00:26:31,593</time>
<s>臂如说你这个梦和恐怖有关</s>
<time>823_00:26:31,953 --> 00:26:33,033</time>
<s>恐惧有关</s>
<time>824_00:26:33,393 --> 00:26:35,913</time>
<s>被某某人给吓住了</s>
<time>825_00:26:36,273 --> 00:26:38,433</time>
<s>梦里头你又梦见又是妖怪追</s>
<time>826_00:26:38,793 --> 00:26:40,593</time>
<s>又是什么大刀砸</s>
<time>827_00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:42,373</time>
<s>你吓得喂哇喊叫</s>
<time>828_00:26:42,733 --> 00:26:43,093</time>
<s>这也可以</s>
<time>829_00:26:43,453 --> 00:26:44,533</time>
<s>大脑进行重新的信息整合</s>
<time>830_00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:45,253</time>
<s>有一些情绪给它释放一下</s>
<time>831_00:26:45,613 --> 00:26:46,333</time>
<s>表演一遍</s>
<time>832_00:26:46,693 --> 00:26:48,133</time>
<s>就是这个你的这个欲望它原来</s>
<time>833_00:26:48,493 --> 00:26:49,933</time>
<s>就是弗洛伊德讲就是</s>
<time>834_00:26:50,293 --> 00:26:52,088</time>
<s>他不是有个《梦的解析》这本书吗</s>
<time>835_00:26:52,448 --> 00:26:53,528</time>
<s>在这个书里面它就很清楚</s>
<time>836_00:26:53,888 --> 00:26:55,328</time>
<s>这个梦就是潜意识</s>
<time>837_00:26:55,688 --> 00:26:56,408</time>
<s>也就是你的欲望</s>
<time>838_00:26:57,848 --> 00:26:58,928</time>
<s>欲望在白天受压抑以后</s>
<time>839_00:26:59,288 --> 00:27:01,436</time>
<s>在睡梦当中它得到了释放</s>
<time>840_00:27:01,796 --> 00:27:03,956</time>
<s>它这个是它解释非常简单</s>
<time>841_00:27:04,316 --> 00:27:05,396</time>
<s>但是很有效</s>
<time>842_00:27:05,756 --> 00:27:07,556</time>
<s>你们想这困难时期</s>
<time>843_00:27:07,916 --> 00:27:08,636</time>
<s>这个供应的食品</s>
<time>844_00:27:08,996 --> 00:27:10,076</time>
<s>比较差的时候</s>
<time>845_00:27:10,436 --> 00:27:11,496</time>
<s>我梦到最多的是吃</s>
<time>846_00:27:13,296 --> 00:27:16,896</time>
<s>我说明我这个水平也很低</s>
<time>847_00:27:17,256 --> 00:27:18,696</time>
<s>我也没梦见过吃燕鲍翅</s>
<time>848_00:27:19,056 --> 00:27:20,856</time>
<s>那时候根本就不知道有燕鲍翅</s>
<time>849_00:27:21,211 --> 00:27:22,291</time>
<s>我梦见吃元宵</s>
<time>850_00:27:23,371 --> 00:27:25,171</time>
<s>我一馋了我就梦见吃元宵</s>
<time>851_00:27:25,531 --> 00:27:28,051</time>
<s>这个日有所思夜有所梦</s>
<time>852_00:27:28,411 --> 00:27:30,211</time>
<s>真的你像我记得我有一个梦</s>
<time>853_00:27:30,571 --> 00:27:32,719</time>
<s>它有的时候是我做的</s>
<time>854_00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:33,799</time>
<s>我现在成年以后</s>
<time>855_00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:35,239</time>
<s>做的大部分的梦我都</s>
<time>856_00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,119</time>
<s>我的梦比较弱智我发现</s>
<time>857_00:27:38,479 --> 00:27:39,919</time>
<s>我都直接知道是什么原因</s>
<time>858_00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:43,138</time>
<s>你比如说我有一次做一个梦</s>
<time>859_00:27:43,498 --> 00:27:44,578</time>
<s>好像那阵儿</s>
<time>860_00:27:44,938 --> 00:27:47,098</time>
<s>我跟我们公司的一个领导</s>
<time>861_00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:48,538</time>
<s>发生了一些误解</s>
<time>862_00:27:48,898 --> 00:27:50,338</time>
<s>我觉得他冤枉我了</s>
<time>863_00:27:50,698 --> 00:27:52,133</time>
<s>但是有些情况下</s>
<time>864_00:27:52,493 --> 00:27:54,293</time>
<s>也不好去跟他辩白</s>
<time>865_00:27:54,653 --> 00:27:55,373</time>
<s>那你肯定要做梦呀</s>
<time>866_00:27:55,733 --> 00:27:56,093</time>
<s>去跟他解释</s>
<time>867_00:27:56,453 --> 00:27:57,173</time>
<s>然后我就记得</s>
<time>868_00:27:57,533 --> 00:27:58,613</time>
<s>我就做一个梦</s>
