<time>438_00:13:08,086 --> 00:13:09,526</time>
<s>其实我没看那个小说</s>
<time>439_00:13:09,886 --> 00:13:11,326</time>
<s>我看那个北京的作家</s>
<time>440_00:13:11,686 --> 00:13:13,486</time>
<s>在北京的作家止庵</s>
<time>441_00:13:13,846 --> 00:13:16,366</time>
<s>他在一本书的序里面写过</s>
<time>442_00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:17,446</time>
<s>引用那个小说</s>
<time>443_00:13:17,806 --> 00:13:19,246</time>
<s>就是死亡跟拖延</s>
<time>444_00:13:19,606 --> 00:13:19,966</time>
<s>很哀伤的</s>
<time>445_00:13:20,326 --> 00:13:21,406</time>
<s>他说一个欧洲的作家</s>
<time>446_00:13:21,766 --> 00:13:22,846</time>
<s>大概的故事是说</s>
<time>447_00:13:23,206 --> 00:13:24,286</time>
<s>一个人做生意的</s>
<time>448_00:13:24,646 --> 00:13:26,446</time>
<s>离开家里老婆小孩</s>
<time>449_00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:28,606</time>
<s>去另外一个地方做生意</s>
<time>450_00:13:28,966 --> 00:13:30,766</time>
<s>他去刚去那边</s>
<time>451_00:13:31,126 --> 00:13:32,926</time>
<s>一开始第二天</s>
<time>452_00:13:33,286 --> 00:13:35,086</time>
<s>第一天当然没有去谈生意</s>
<time>453_00:13:35,446 --> 00:13:37,246</time>
<s>去寻欢作乐</s>
<time>454_00:13:37,606 --> 00:13:39,046</time>
<s>左玩右玩喝酒的</s>
<time>455_00:13:39,406 --> 00:13:40,486</time>
<s>然后第二天收到</s>
<time>456_00:13:40,846 --> 00:13:41,926</time>
<s>他家里的女佣</s>
<time>457_00:13:42,286 --> 00:13:44,086</time>
<s>过了两天收到家里女佣</s>
<time>458_00:13:44,446 --> 00:13:45,166</time>
<s>写来一封信</s>
<time>459_00:13:45,526 --> 00:13:46,246</time>
<s>他打开来看</s>
<time>460_00:13:46,606 --> 00:13:48,406</time>
<s>前面一页说什么呢</s>
<time>461_00:13:48,766 --> 00:13:49,486</time>
<s>很悲惨</s>
<time>462_00:13:49,846 --> 00:13:52,006</time>
<s>你儿子掉进河里死掉</s>
<time>463_00:13:52,366 --> 00:13:54,886</time>
<s>他看到这里很难过了</s>
<time>464_00:13:55,246 --> 00:13:55,966</time>
<s>他做什么呢</s>
<time>465_00:13:56,326 --> 00:13:59,206</time>
<s>他把那个信收起来放在抽尼</s>
<time>466_00:13:59,566 --> 00:14:03,166</time>
<s>然后继续去寻欢作乐继续玩</s>
<time>467_00:14:03,526 --> 00:14:04,606</time>
<s>玩了三天</s>
<time>468_00:14:04,966 --> 00:14:06,046</time>
<s>然后玩了三天之后呢</s>
<time>469_00:14:06,406 --> 00:14:08,206</time>
<s>才再打开抽尼把那封信</s>
<time>470_00:14:08,566 --> 00:14:10,366</time>
<s>再打开来把它读完</s>
<time>471_00:14:10,726 --> 00:14:11,806</time>
<s>后面写得更惨</s>
<time>472_00:14:12,166 --> 00:14:13,246</time>
<s>那你老婆很难过</s>
<time>473_00:14:13,606 --> 00:14:14,686</time>
<s>儿子死掉了</s>
<time>474_00:14:15,046 --> 00:14:15,766</time>
<s>她也跳河死了</s>
<time>475_00:14:16,126 --> 00:14:17,206</time>
<s>老婆都死了</s>
<time>476_00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:20,086</time>
<s>然后这样那个男人都看完了</s>
<time>477_00:14:20,446 --> 00:14:21,526</time>
<s>把那个悲剧都看完了</s>
<time>478_00:14:22,606 --> 00:14:25,126</time>
<s>然后他自已在酒店房间</s>
<time>479_00:14:25,486 --> 00:14:26,206</time>
<s>上吊自杀</s>
<time>480_00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:28,006</time>
<s>那很哀伤的故事</s>
<time>481_00:14:28,366 --> 00:14:29,806</time>
<s>那止庵加了一个</s>
<time>482_00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:31,606</time>
<s>他阅读的注解</s>
<time>483_00:14:31,966 --> 00:14:33,766</time>
<s>我觉得注解得很好</s>
<time>484_00:14:34,126 --> 00:14:36,286</time>
<s>他是说生命说破了</s>
<time>485_00:14:36,646 --> 00:14:38,446</time>
<s>其实还不是这样子吗</s>
<time>486_00:14:38,806 --> 00:14:40,966</time>
<s>我们尽量把不好的消息</s>
<time>487_00:14:41,326 --> 00:14:42,766</time>
<s>压住拖延</s>
<time>488_00:14:43,126 --> 00:14:44,206</time>
<s>不要面对它</s>
<time>489_00:14:44,566 --> 00:14:46,726</time>
<s>不管你是面对不想面对</s>
<time>490_00:14:47,086 --> 00:14:48,526</time>
<s>你要出门要见的人</s>
<time>491_00:14:48,886 --> 00:14:50,326</time>
<s>其实根本不想面对</s>
<time>492_00:14:50,686 --> 00:14:51,766</time>
<s>或者说死亡</s>
<time>493_00:14:52,126 --> 00:14:53,566</time>
<s>拖延把它拖</s>
<time>494_00:14:53,926 --> 00:14:55,726</time>
<s>拖到最后拖不了了才面对</s>
<time>495_00:14:56,086 --> 00:14:57,166</time>
<s>生命的过程</s>
<time>496_00:14:57,526 --> 00:14:58,966</time>
<s>就是一个拖延的过程</s>
<time>497_00:14:59,326 --> 00:15:00,406</time>
<s>说得好但是有的时候呢</s>
<time>498_00:15:00,766 --> 00:15:02,926</time>
<s>这个恐惧的也不一定是死亡</s>
<time>499_00:15:03,286 --> 00:15:03,646</time>
<s>就是你比如说</s>
<time>500_00:15:04,006 --> 00:15:04,726</time>
<s>像文道说的你说的</s>
<time>501_00:15:05,086 --> 00:15:06,886</time>
<s>我就想到这个小助理的苦恼</s>
<time>502_00:15:07,246 --> 00:15:07,966</time>
<s>你看我现在用的</s>
<time>503_00:15:08,326 --> 00:15:09,406</time>
<s>都是李佳琦的语言</s>
<time>504_00:15:09,766 --> 00:15:11,206</time>
<s>就是我们那个比如说小助理</s>
<time>505_00:15:11,566 --> 00:15:11,926</time>
<s>她苦恼的是</s>
<time>506_00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,446</time>
<s>比如说我要让她做一个文案</s>
<time>507_00:15:14,806 --> 00:15:16,606</time>
<s>她就跟我说文涛老师为什么</s>
<time>508_00:15:16,966 --> 00:15:18,046</time>
<s>为什么我一定要</s>
<time>509_00:15:18,406 --> 00:15:19,486</time>
<s>拖到最后一天呢</s>
<time>510_00:15:19,846 --> 00:15:20,206</time>
<s>她说我简直</s>
<time>511_00:15:20,566 --> 00:15:21,286</time>
<s>她说我就</s>
<time>512_00:15:21,646 --> 00:15:22,366</time>
<s>我知道可以第一天做</s>
<time>513_00:15:22,726 --> 00:15:23,806</time>
<s>但是你让我第三天交</s>
<time>514_00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:27,046</time>
<s>我就想到最后那天夜里</s>
<time>515_00:15:27,406 --> 00:15:28,126</time>
<s>就拖到不能</s>
<time>516_00:15:28,486 --> 00:15:29,206</time>
<s>11点59分给你</s>
<time>517_00:15:29,566 --> 00:15:31,366</time>
<s>拖到不能拖了才要做</s>
<time>518_00:15:31,726 --> 00:15:33,886</time>
<s>她说这个我怎么都没办法</s>
<time>519_00:15:34,246 --> 00:15:36,046</time>
<s>这里面有两件事</s>
<time>520_00:15:36,406 --> 00:15:38,926</time>
<s>一件事是你刚才说的</s>
<time>521_00:15:39,286 --> 00:15:41,086</time>
<s>就是说这个人</s>
<time>522_00:15:41,446 --> 00:15:44,326</time>
<s>实际上是一种此在的动物</s>
<time>523_00:15:44,686 --> 00:15:46,126</time>
<s>此岸的动物</s>
<time>524_00:15:46,486 --> 00:15:47,206</time>
<s>就是咱就说的</s>
<time>525_00:15:47,566 --> 00:15:48,646</time>
<s>就是当时</s>
<time>526_00:15:49,006 --> 00:15:50,446</time>
<s>活在当下</s>
<time>527_00:15:50,806 --> 00:15:52,606</time>
<s>那么他有他喜欢做的事</s>
<time>528_00:15:52,966 --> 00:15:55,126</time>
<s>比如说看剧干嘛</s>
<time>529_00:15:55,486 --> 00:15:58,366</time>
<s>那么他在这个当下</s>
<time>530_00:15:58,726 --> 00:15:59,806</time>
<s>那个挑战</s>
<time>531_00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:01,246</time>
<s>那个压力</s>
<time>532_00:16:01,606 --> 00:16:02,686</time>
<s>毕竞还没到来</s>
<time>533_00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:03,406</time>
<s>没到来</s>
<time>534_00:16:03,766 --> 00:16:05,926</time>
<s>那我活在此时此刻的我呢</s>
<time>535_00:16:06,286 --> 00:16:08,086</time>
<s>宁愿陶醉在我喜欢的事里</s>
<time>536_00:16:08,446 --> 00:16:10,246</time>
<s>其实是掩耳盗铃</s>
<time>537_00:16:10,606 --> 00:16:12,046</time>
<s>其实是驼鸟政策</s>
<time>538_00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:12,766</time>
<s>这没来没来</s>
<time>539_00:16:13,126 --> 00:16:14,566</time>
<s>反正还没到</s>
<time>540_00:16:14,926 --> 00:16:16,726</time>
<s>然后拖到最后</s>
<time>541_00:16:17,086 --> 00:16:18,526</time>
<s>不得不做了</s>
<time>542_00:16:18,886 --> 00:16:20,686</time>
<s>这就第二个原因就是什么</s>
<time>543_00:16:21,046 --> 00:16:22,846</time>
<s>为什么那个他不做呢</s>
<time>544_00:16:23,206 --> 00:16:24,646</time>
<s>有的心理学家认为</s>
<time>545_00:16:25,006 --> 00:16:28,246</time>
<s>就是有一些案例表现出是</s>
<time>546_00:16:28,606 --> 00:16:30,046</time>
<s>自信心不强的表现</s>
<time>547_00:16:30,406 --> 00:16:31,846</time>
<s>就是有些人</s>
<time>548_00:16:32,206 --> 00:16:35,086</time>
<s>他实际上是惧怕压力</s>
<time>549_00:16:35,446 --> 00:16:36,526</time>
<s>惧怕挑战</s>
<time>550_00:16:36,886 --> 00:16:37,966</time>
<s>惧怕那个竞争</s>
<time>551_00:16:38,326 --> 00:16:39,766</time>
<s>比如说演讲比赛要来了</s>
<time>552_00:16:41,926 --> 00:16:43,006</time>
<s>这个准备演讲稿</s>
<time>553_00:16:43,366 --> 00:16:43,726</time>
<s>或者什么的</s>
<time>554_00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:44,806</time>
<s>其实他是盼望</s>
<time>555_00:16:45,166 --> 00:16:48,406</time>
<s>那当然是个折磨是个考验</s>
<time>556_00:16:48,766 --> 00:16:50,566</time>
<s>那个东西就是</s>
<time>557_00:16:50,926 --> 00:16:53,446</time>
<s>所以说对治的方法我也见过</s>
<time>558_00:16:53,806 --> 00:16:55,246</time>
<s>对治的方法就是说</s>
<time>559_00:16:55,606 --> 00:16:57,046</time>
<s>你要貌视困难</s>
<time>560_00:16:57,406 --> 00:16:59,206</time>
<s>其实就是提振你的自信</s>
<time>561_00:16:59,566 --> 00:17:01,726</time>
<s>就是说那没什么了不起的</s>
<time>562_00:17:02,086 --> 00:17:03,526</time>
<s>这个小菜一碟</s>
<time>563_00:17:03,886 --> 00:17:06,046</time>
<s>但这个对有些人来说就很难</s>
<time>564_00:17:06,406 --> 00:17:06,766</time>
<s>因为他觉得</s>
<time>565_00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:09,286</time>
<s>那么大的一个考验要到来了</s>
<time>566_00:17:09,646 --> 00:17:11,446</time>
<s>其实你说运动员参加奥运会</s>
<time>567_00:17:11,806 --> 00:17:12,526</time>
<s>他的心理压力</s>
<time>568_00:17:12,886 --> 00:17:14,686</time>
<s>他也会有本能的这种</s>
<time>569_00:17:15,046 --> 00:17:15,766</time>
<s>有一种拖延心理</s>
<time>570_00:17:16,126 --> 00:17:17,566</time>
<s>这个但这种拖延</s>
<time>571_00:17:17,926 --> 00:17:18,286</time>
<s>其实它就是什么</s>
<time>572_00:17:18,646 --> 00:17:20,086</time>
<s>其实说穿了还是恐惧</s>
<time>573_00:17:20,806 --> 00:17:22,606</time>
<s>你沉醉在今天让我愉快</s>
<time>574_00:17:22,966 --> 00:17:24,046</time>
<s>比如说你刚刚说那个故事</s>
<time>575_00:17:24,406 --> 00:17:25,846</time>
<s>我继续寻欢作乐</s>
<time>576_00:17:26,206 --> 00:17:28,006</time>
<s>好像把这个坏消息</s>
<time>577_00:17:28,366 --> 00:17:29,086</time>
<s>往后押了一样</s>
<time>578_00:17:29,446 --> 00:17:30,526</time>
<s>其实你还是恐惧</s>
<time>579_00:17:30,886 --> 00:17:32,686</time>
<s>你是恐惧那个坏消息</s>
<time>580_00:17:33,046 --> 00:17:34,486</time>
<s>而所有的恐惧在</s>
<time>581_00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:37,006</time>
<s>你刚才讲的</s>
<time>582_00:17:37,366 --> 00:17:38,806</time>
<s>最原始的精神分析</s>
<time>583_00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:40,246</time>
<s>学派里面看来</s>
<time>584_00:17:40,606 --> 00:17:44,206</time>
<s>都是死亡恐惧的扩散或者投射</s>
<time>585_00:17:44,566 --> 00:17:46,006</time>
<s>我们对所有坏消息的</s>
<time>586_00:17:46,366 --> 00:17:48,886</time>
<s>我不想面对的困难的那种</s>
<time>587_00:17:49,246 --> 00:17:51,046</time>
<s>想拖脊想它晚一点来</s>
<time>588_00:17:51,406 --> 00:17:54,286</time>
<s>其实都是跟对死亡的恐惧相关的</s>
<time>589_00:17:54,646 --> 00:17:55,366</time>
<s>那么好了</s>
<time>590_00:17:55,726 --> 00:17:56,086</time>
<s>有这个恐惧</s>
<time>591_00:17:56,446 --> 00:17:57,526</time>
<s>那我当然要一些</s>
<time>592_00:17:57,886 --> 00:17:58,606</time>
<s>我能够忘记</s>
<time>593_00:17:58,966 --> 00:18:00,046</time>
<s>这种恐惧的东西</s>
<time>594_00:18:00,406 --> 00:18:01,846</time>
<s>所以我就对某些东西上瘾</s>
<time>595_00:18:02,206 --> 00:18:03,646</time>
<s>有些人对网游上瘾</s>
<time>596_00:18:04,006 --> 00:18:05,086</time>
<s>对什么东西上瘾</s>
<time>597_00:18:05,806 --> 00:18:07,606</time>
<s>真的很爱那个东西</s>
<time>598_00:18:07,966 --> 00:18:10,486</time>
<s>而是因为他想忘记别的东西</s>
<time>599_00:18:10,846 --> 00:18:11,926</time>
<s>制造了一种真空</s>
<time>600_00:18:12,286 --> 00:18:13,006</time>
<s>就好像你其他的世界</s>
<time>601_00:18:13,366 --> 00:18:13,726</time>
<s>瞬间就不存在了</s>
<time>602_00:18:14,086 --> 00:18:14,806</time>
<s>就不存在了</s>
<time>603_00:18:15,166 --> 00:18:15,886</time>
<s>我觉得是不是也是一种</s>
<time>604_00:18:16,246 --> 00:18:17,686</time>
<s>就是人就是本能地</s>
<time>605_00:18:18,046 --> 00:18:20,206</time>
<s>对于瞬间和永恒的那种矛盾</s>
<time>606_00:18:20,566 --> 00:18:22,366</time>
<s>我就想起来</s>
<time>607_00:18:22,726 --> 00:18:23,086</time>
<s>我记得非常清楚</s>
<time>608_00:18:23,446 --> 00:18:24,526</time>
<s>在我九岁的时候</s>
<time>609_00:18:24,886 --> 00:18:26,326</time>
<s>有一天我睡午觉醒来</s>
<time>610_00:18:26,686 --> 00:18:27,046</time>
<s>在家里面</s>
<time>611_00:18:27,406 --> 00:18:27,766</time>
<s>然后我还记得</s>
<time>612_00:18:28,126 --> 00:18:29,206</time>
<s>我穿了个蓝色的毛衣</s>
<time>613_00:18:29,566 --> 00:18:30,646</time>
<s>然后就坐在那里</s>
<time>614_00:18:31,006 --> 00:18:31,726</time>
<s>就是很愣愣地</s>
<time>615_00:18:32,086 --> 00:18:33,886</time>
<s>我就觉得看着那个阳光</s>
<time>616_00:18:34,246 --> 00:18:35,686</time>
<s>我觉得这一刻要过去的</s>
<time>617_00:18:36,046 --> 00:18:37,486</time>
<s>就是这一天要过去的</s>
<time>618_00:18:37,846 --> 00:18:38,206</time>
<s>就不知道为什么</s>
<time>619_00:18:38,566 --> 00:18:39,286</time>
<s>那时候就有这种</s>
<time>620_00:18:39,646 --> 00:18:41,806</time>
<s>这一刻肯定要过去的感觉</s>
<time>621_00:18:42,166 --> 00:18:43,606</time>
<s>然后包括刚才说的</s>
<time>622_00:18:43,966 --> 00:18:44,686</time>
<s>那种上瘾的感觉</s>
<time>623_00:18:45,046 --> 00:18:46,486</time>
<s>其实就是你在那个事情里面</s>
<time>624_00:18:46,846 --> 00:18:49,006</time>
<s>你就觉得这个世界消失了</s>
<time>625_00:18:49,366 --> 00:18:51,166</time>
<s>你明明知道时间是不停的</s>
<time>626_00:18:51,526 --> 00:18:52,606</time>
<s>像那个浮士德一样</s>
<time>627_00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,046</time>
<s>叫那个时间等一等等一等</s>
<time>628_00:18:54,406 --> 00:18:55,486</time>
<s>没有人会等你</s>
<time>629_00:18:55,846 --> 00:18:56,206</time>
<s>一直在往前走</s>
<time>630_00:18:56,566 --> 00:18:57,646</time>
<s>但是你就觉得</s>
<time>631_00:18:58,006 --> 00:18:59,446</time>
<s>我有时候我也会追网剧</s>
<time>632_00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:00,526</time>
<s>然后在那儿我就觉得</s>
<time>633_00:19:00,886 --> 00:19:01,246</time>
<s>追网剧的那一刻</s>
<time>634_00:19:01,606 --> 00:19:02,686</time>
<s>我可以什么也不想</s>
<time>635_00:19:03,046 --> 00:19:03,766</time>
<s>然后吃土豆片</s>
<time>636_00:19:04,126 --> 00:19:05,206</time>
<s>然后就傻傻的</s>
<time>637_00:19:05,566 --> 00:19:06,286</time>
<s>或者你追偶像也是一样</s>
<time>638_00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:07,726</time>
<s>就你觉得不用想</s>
<time>639_00:19:08,086 --> 00:19:08,806</time>
<s>任何其他这个事情</s>
<time>640_00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:10,246</time>
<s>你的世界就像你站在</s>
<time>641_00:19:10,606 --> 00:19:11,326</time>
<s>一个悬崖顶峰</s>
<time>642_00:19:11,686 --> 00:19:13,126</time>
<s>其它都消失了一样的</s>
<time>643_00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:13,846</time>
<s>你觉得那一刻</s>
<time>644_00:19:14,206 --> 00:19:15,286</time>
<s>似乎你像是永恒了一样</s>
<time>645_00:19:16,006 --> 00:19:16,366</time>
<s>其实你知道没有</s>
<time>646_00:19:16,726 --> 00:19:18,526</time>
<s>所以这个其实不叫拖延</s>
<time>647_00:19:18,886 --> 00:19:20,326</time>
<s>就是陶醉有时候也是逃避</s>
<time>648_00:19:20,686 --> 00:19:21,766</time>
<s>对没错</s>
<time>649_00:19:22,846 --> 00:19:23,566</time>
<s>没错我就是想说</s>
<time>650_00:19:23,926 --> 00:19:24,646</time>
<s>这个不叫拖延</s>
<time>651_00:19:25,006 --> 00:19:26,086</time>
<s>这是逃避</s>
<time>652_00:19:26,446 --> 00:19:27,886</time>
<s>那个心理是要逃避</s>
<time>653_00:19:28,246 --> 00:19:30,766</time>
<s>那个拖延是后来的结果而已</s>
<time>654_00:19:31,126 --> 00:19:32,206</time>
<s>拖延只是表征</s>
<time>655_00:19:32,566 --> 00:19:34,006</time>
<s>对心理是逃避</s>
<time>656_00:19:34,366 --> 00:19:37,966</time>
<s>不管是焦虑困难死亡</s>
<time>657_00:19:38,326 --> 00:19:39,770</time>
<s>那重点在于说我觉得</s>
<time>658_00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:42,650</time>
<s>不管是迟到还是迟交功课</s>
<time>659_00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:43,370</time>
<s>这个那个</s>
<time>660_00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:44,810</time>
<s>都难免嘛</s>
<time>661_00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:46,250</time>
<s>重点还是我刚说的</s>
<time>662_00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:49,130</time>
<s>发生了之后你怎么样来回应</s>
<time>663_00:19:49,490 --> 00:19:51,290</time>
<s>是大摇大摆呢</s>
<time>664_00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:53,090</time>
<s>你干吗举我呢</s>
<time>665_00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:55,250</time>
<s>还是翰道歉呢</s>
<time>666_00:19:55,610 --> 00:19:56,330</time>
<s>我给你补充一个细节</s>
<time>667_00:19:56,690 --> 00:19:57,770</time>
<s>然后你接着说</s>
<time>668_00:19:58,130 --> 00:19:59,930</time>
<s>他的这种镇定感</s>
<time>669_00:20:00,290 --> 00:20:01,730</time>
<s>这个我给你补充一个细节</s>
<time>670_00:20:02,090 --> 00:20:03,890</time>
<s>来轮流你先来</s>
<time>671_00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:04,970</time>
<s>他有一次</s>
<time>672_00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,130</time>
<s>他要给我的书写个序</s>
<time>673_00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:08,930</time>
<s>我等了他九个月</s>
<time>674_00:20:09,290 --> 00:20:11,090</time>
<s>然后最后一天</s>
<time>675_00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:11,810</time>
<s>人家要出版了</s>
<time>676_00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:12,890</time>
<s>人家要下印厂了</s>
<time>677_00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:14,690</time>
<s>我给他打电话我想说</s>
<time>678_00:20:15,050 --> 00:20:15,410</time>
<s>文道谢谢你</s>
<time>679_00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:16,490</time>
<s>其实不用了</s>
<time>680_00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:17,930</time>
<s>然后他在那一头</s>
<time>681_00:20:18,290 --> 00:20:19,730</time>
<s>我听到了这个死一般的寂静</s>
<time>682_00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:20,810</time>
<s>他说我写完了</s>
<time>683_00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:24,050</time>
<s>镇定吧</s>
<time>684_00:20:24,410 --> 00:20:25,490</time>
<s>然后说然后他就发给我了</s>
<time>685_00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:26,930</time>
<s>还是有发的</s>
<time>686_00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:29,090</time>
<s>小君君恭喜</s>
<time>687_00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:30,530</time>
<s>他还有发给你</s>
<time>688_00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:31,250</time>
<s>所以你一直没有等到</s>
<time>689_00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:31,970</time>
<s>我很高兴你今天</s>
<time>690_00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:32,690</time>
<s>把这个事讲出来</s>
<time>691_00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:34,490</time>
<s>那所以我要对着镜头说</s>
<time>692_00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:35,930</time>
<s>这个我手上现在</s>
<time>693_00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:37,370</time>
<s>还有好几个序</s>
<time>694_00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:39,170</time>
<s>那么看了我这个节目</s>
<time>695_00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:40,610</time>
<s>各位你们就能够了解</s>
<time>696_00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:42,050</time>
<s>这个我并不是故意拖</s>
<time>697_00:20:42,410 --> 00:20:42,770</time>
<s>你看九个月</s>
<time>698_00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:43,490</time>
<s>你知道九个月</s>
<time>699_00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:44,570</time>
<s>我孩子都生出来了</s>
<time>700_00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:46,010</time>
<s>九个月人家孩子都生出来</s>
<time>701_00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:47,090</time>
<s>但我序也写了</s>
<time>702_00:20:48,530 --> 00:20:48,890</time>
<s>可以的</s>
<time>703_00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:50,330</time>
<s>我告诉你</s>
<time>704_00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:52,490</time>
<s>山长水远后会有期</s>
<time>705_00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:53,210</time>
<s>没错</s>
<time>706_00:20:54,290 --> 00:20:55,730</time>
<s>青山常在绿水长流</s>
<time>707_00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:56,810</time>
<s>我为什么要恭喜你</s>
<time>708_00:20:57,170 --> 00:20:58,250</time>
<s>好轮到我</s>
<time>709_00:20:58,610 --> 00:21:00,050</time>
<s>好我以前当编辑</s>
<time>710_00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:01,130</time>
<s>跟他约稿</s>
<time>711_00:21:01,490 --> 00:21:03,290</time>
<s>当然无数的例子</s>
<time>712_00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:04,370</time>
<s>最后一秒</s>
<time>713_00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:06,890</time>
<s>过了几百秒什么都发生</s>
<time>714_00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:08,330</time>
<s>可是我碰过</s>
<time>715_00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:10,850</time>
<s>很多拖稿欠稿的作家</s>
<time>716_00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:12,290</time>
<s>只有唯一一个</s>
<time>717_00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:15,530</time>
<s>拖了稿欠了稿了还说谎</s>
<time>718_00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:16,610</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>719_00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:17,690</time>
<s>文道不可能说谎</s>
<time>720_00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:19,490</time>
<s>那你听听我说吧</s>
<time>721_00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:22,010</time>
<s>然后我们那个年代没有电邮</s>
<time>722_00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:22,730</time>
<s>只有什么</s>
<time>723_00:21:23,090 --> 00:21:24,890</time>
<s>传真</s>
<time>724_00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:25,970</time>
<s>写完传真</s>
<time>725_00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,050</time>
<s>最后传真</s>
<time>726_00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:29,210</time>
<s>然后等了等了一直等</s>
<time>727_00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:31,730</time>
<s>今天明天后天都截稿了</s>
<time>728_00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:33,890</time>
<s>每次打找不到人</s>
<time>729_00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:35,330</time>
<s>最后终于找到了</s>
<time>730_00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:37,490</time>
<s>文道交稿了</s>
<time>731_00:21:38,570 --> 00:21:41,090</time>
<s>交了我传真了</s>
<time>732_00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:42,890</time>
<s>这样的话他都敢说</s>
<time>733_00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:43,610</time>
<s>我说真的吗</s>
<time>734_00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,050</time>
<s>你知道报社有很多</s>
<time>735_00:21:45,410 --> 00:21:47,570</time>
<s>不同的传真机的号码</s>
<time>736_00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:48,290</time>
<s>还害我真的吗</s>
<time>737_00:21:48,650 --> 00:21:49,730</time>
<s>我还以为传过来</s>
<time>738_00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:51,530</time>
<s>传错号码找不到</s>
<time>739_00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:53,690</time>
<s>结果发动整个报社的</s>
<time>740_00:21:54,050 --> 00:21:55,490</time>
<s>编辑室的一百个人</s>
<time>741_00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:56,930</time>
<s>大家找一下</s>
<time>742_00:21:57,290 --> 00:21:57,650</time>
<s>W每一个传真机</s>
<time>743_00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:59,090</time>
<s>找梁文道的稿子</s>
<time>744_00:21:59,450 --> 00:22:00,170</time>
<s>结果没有</s>
<time>745_00:22:00,530 --> 00:22:03,410</time>
<s>结果当然这是根本没写没传</s>
<time>746_00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:04,850</time>
<s>然后眼静静说</s>
<time>747_00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:06,290</time>
<s>他很诚愿</s>
<time>748_00:22:06,650 --> 00:22:07,730</time>
<s>用他那种</s>
<time>749_00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:09,890</time>
<s>我们知道文道的声音很好听</s>
<time>750_00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:12,770</time>
<s>那个然后就说</s>
<time>751_00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:15,650</time>
<s>辉哥没收到吗</s>
<time>752_00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:19,610</time>
<s>我传了还有五页</s>
<time>753_00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:21,770</time>
<s>还讲了页数你知道吗</s>
<time>754_00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:22,850</time>
<s>结果没有</s>
<time>755_00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:23,570</time>
<s>他很厉害</s>
<time>756_00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:24,650</time>
<s>但是文道</s>
<time>757_00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,090</time>
<s>据我对文道的了解</s>
<time>758_00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:27,530</time>
<s>他不可能撒谎</s>
<time>759_00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:28,970</time>
<s>如果他撒谎</s>
<time>760_00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:30,050</time>
<s>那就是他真信了</s>
<time>761_00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:33,290</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>762_00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:35,090</time>
<s>我不知道该如何理解</s>
<time>763_00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:36,170</time>
<s>他能成功地修行</s>
<time>764_00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:37,250</time>
<s>他是修行人你知道吗</s>
<time>765_00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:38,330</time>
<s>没有那个时候还没修行</s>
<time>766_00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:39,410</time>
<s>他修行到了就是</s>
<time>767_00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:40,130</time>
<s>二十多年前还没</s>
<time>768_00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:41,570</time>
<s>认为自己已经发了</s>
<time>769_00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:43,010</time>
<s>他修行是他被修理了吧</s>
<time>770_00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:43,730</time>
<s>修理对</s>
<time>771_00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:46,250</time>
<s>他的修行就是他的修理</s>
<time>772_00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:48,050</time>
<s>我拖试过怎么样拖</s>
<time>773_00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:49,850</time>
<s>那时候在你之前</s>
<time>774_00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:52,010</time>
<s>那时候在另一个报纸写稿</s>
<time>775_00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:54,170</time>
<s>然后那个时候是传真</s>
<time>776_00:22:54,530 --> 00:22:56,330</time>
<s>但是有时候那边编辑很紧张</s>
<time>777_00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:57,050</time>
<s>说稿子怎么样</s>
<time>778_00:22:57,410 --> 00:22:58,850</time>
<s>我就说在路上</s>
<time>779_00:22:59,210 --> 00:23:00,290</time>
<s>什么叫在路上</s>
<time>780_00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:01,370</time>
<s>真的在路上</s>
<time>781_00:23:01,730 --> 00:23:02,450</time>
<s>因为以前交稿</s>
<time>782_00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:04,250</time>
<s>还试过送稿去的</s>
<time>783_00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:06,050</time>
<s>我那时候坐船</s>
<time>784_00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:07,130</time>
<s>到这个北角</s>
<time>785_00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:09,290</time>
<s>那时候很多报社都在北角</s>
<time>786_00:23:09,650 --> 00:23:11,450</time>
<s>那时候从红到北角有个渡轮</s>
<time>787_00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:14,690</time>
<s>我专门就在那个渡轮的下层</s>
<time>788_00:23:15,050 --> 00:23:15,770</time>
<s>是有小桌的</s>
<time>789_00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:17,570</time>
<s>就在上面一边看着海</s>
<time>790_00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:18,650</time>
<s>写完</s>
<time>791_00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:19,370</time>
<s>然后上船说</s>
<time>792_00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:20,450</time>
<s>然后再打电话来</s>
<time>793_00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:22,250</time>
<s>刚刚有那种BBcall（传呼机）</s>
<time>794_00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:22,970</time>
<s>我给他发讯息</s>
<time>795_00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:24,770</time>
<s>我说真的在路上</s>
<time>796_00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:26,930</time>
<s>然后跟着到那个报馆按门铃</s>
<time>797_00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:29,090</time>
<s>他们说啊你什么时候到的</s>
<time>798_00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:30,170</time>
<s>文道给了个好理由</s>
<time>799_00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:31,250</time>
<s>我给你说你们这个欠稿债</s>
<time>800_00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:32,690</time>
<s>欠文债的</s>
<time>801_00:23:33,050 --> 00:23:34,490</time>
<s>这个理由不是撒谎</s>
<time>802_00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:36,650</time>
<s>这个理由甚至你没写</s>
<time>803_00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:38,090</time>
<s>都可以说在路上</s>
<time>804_00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:39,170</time>
<s>因为什么呢</s>
<time>805_00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:40,610</time>
<s>按照王阳明先生</s>
<time>806_00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:42,770</time>
<s>知行合一的理论</s>
<time>807_00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:44,570</time>
<s>这叫“行为（知之成）知为（行之始）圆桌派看理想）</s>
<time>808_00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:45,650</time>
<s>就是说知行</s>
<time>809_00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:48,890</time>
<s>就是我在脑子里想的时候</s>
<time>810_00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:50,330</time>
<s>行就已经开始了</s>
<time>811_00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:53,210</time>
<s>我在构思打腹稿的时候</s>
<time>812_00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:54,650</time>
<s>就可以说在路上</s>
<time>813_00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:56,090</time>
<s>起码在脑回路上</s>
<time>814_00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:58,250</time>
<s>王阳明真是圣贤</s>
<time>815_00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:58,970</time>
<s>圣贤吧</s>
<time>816_00:23:59,330 --> 00:24:00,050</time>
<s>在脑回路上吧</s>
<time>817_00:24:00,410 --> 00:24:00,770</time>
<s>他是不是</s>
<time>818_00:24:01,130 --> 00:24:01,850</time>
<s>那按照你的逻辑</s>
<time>819_00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:03,650</time>
<s>我发稿费也永远在路上</s>
<time>820_00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:06,890</time>
<s>我想着要发给你</s>
<time>821_00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:09,050</time>
<s>我跟你讲我有个美德</s>
<time>822_00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:11,210</time>
<s>我从来不催稿费的</s>
<time>823_00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:11,930</time>
<s>就是我跟你说</s>
<time>824_00:24:12,290 --> 00:24:13,010</time>
<s>真是人是全面的</s>
<time>825_00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:15,530</time>
<s>我们要全面地看这个文道</s>
<time>826_00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:16,610</time>
<s>他</s>
<time>827_00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:17,690</time>
<s>今天是你的批判大会</s>
<time>828_00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:21,650</time>
<s>往往就是说那个拖延的时候</s>
<time>829_00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:23,090</time>
<s>迟到的时候泰山崩于前</s>
<time>830_00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:24,890</time>
<s>而色不变的人</s>
<time>831_00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:27,770</time>
<s>他有另一种美德</s>
<time>832_00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:29,930</time>
<s>就是这个叫什么呢</s>
<time>833_00:24:30,290 --> 00:24:31,730</time>
<s>危难之际显身手</s>
<time>834_00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:33,890</time>
<s>就是那个时候我住院了</s>
<time>835_00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:35,330</time>
<s>我心脏闹毛病了</s>
<time>836_00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:36,050</time>
<s>我记得</s>
<time>837_00:24:36,410 --> 00:24:37,850</time>
<s>他做主持那几天我记得</s>
<time>838_00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:38,930</time>
<s>我永生难忘</s>
<time>839_00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:40,730</time>
<s>就文道是主动的</s>
<time>840_00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:43,250</time>
<s>说文涛这个节目怎么办呢</s>
<time>841_00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:44,330</time>
<s>主动说</s>
<time>842_00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:46,850</time>
<s>那责任就是我担了</s>
<time>843_00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:48,290</time>
<s>就责无旁贷</s>
<time>844_00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:49,370</time>
<s>那个时候文道整整帮我</s>
<time>845_00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:51,170</time>
<s>顶了两个星期</s>
<time>846_00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:52,610</time>
<s>引起观众强烈的批评</s>
<time>847_00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:56,930</time>
<s>这明明是要挨骂的事</s>
<time>848_00:24:57,290 --> 00:24:58,010</time>
<s>你做主持的时候</s>
<time>849_00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:59,810</time>
<s>跟做嘉宾的状态</s>
<time>850_00:25:00,170 --> 00:25:01,250</time>
<s>特别不一样</s>
<time>851_00:25:01,610 --> 00:25:02,330</time>
<s>我记得那时候</s>
<time>852_00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:03,410</time>
<s>主持得非常好</s>
<time>853_00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:05,570</time>
<s>这必然是要挨骂的事</s>
<time>854_00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:06,290</time>
<s>这肯定是</s>
<time>855_00:25:06,650 --> 00:25:08,090</time>
<s>文涛是善良的人</s>
<time>856_00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:09,530</time>
<s>你不知道后来</s>
<time>857_00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:11,330</time>
<s>你出院回来了</s>
<time>858_00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:15,650</time>
<s>其实是他难过</s>
<time>859_00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:18,170</time>
<s>家辉他居然活过来了</s>
<time>860_00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:19,610</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>861_00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:21,770</time>
<s>以为从此那个就是我的</s>
<time>862_00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:23,930</time>
<s>所以他永远比我道儿深</s>
<time>863_00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:25,370</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>864_00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:26,810</time>
<s>你这个善良心地好</s>
<time>865_00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:27,890</time>
<s>不是但是你说这个</s>
<time>866_00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:28,970</time>
<s>轶君你说</s>
<time>867_00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:30,410</time>
<s>没有我就说他刚才说的</s>
<time>868_00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:32,570</time>
<s>这个确实是面对这个事情</s>
<time>869_00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:33,650</time>
<s>这种恐惧</s>
<time>870_00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:34,730</time>
<s>积极的和消极的</s>
<time>871_00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:36,530</time>
<s>完全就是不一样</s>
<time>872_00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:37,610</time>
<s>消极的我们都说了</s>
