<time>869_00:26:56,821 --> 00:26:58,621</time>
<s>你们不是去过伊斯坦布尔吗</s>
<time>870_00:26:58,981 --> 00:27:00,781</time>
<s>伊斯坦布尔金角湾的大桥</s>
<time>871_00:27:01,141 --> 00:27:01,501</time>
<s>其实米开朗基罗</s>
<time>872_00:27:01,861 --> 00:27:02,941</time>
<s>做过一个设计方案</s>
<time>873_00:27:03,301 --> 00:27:04,741</time>
<s>要跨海的一个大桥</s>
<time>874_00:27:05,101 --> 00:27:05,821</time>
<s>所以他们都要做这些</s>
<time>875_00:27:06,181 --> 00:27:07,261</time>
<s>所以他们本来学的</s>
<time>876_00:27:07,621 --> 00:27:08,701</time>
<s>一连串的东西</s>
<time>877_00:27:09,061 --> 00:27:11,581</time>
<s>就包含了各种各样的科学知识</s>
<time>878_00:27:11,941 --> 00:27:12,661</time>
<s>那个时候是因为那个时候</s>
<time>879_00:27:13,021 --> 00:27:14,101</time>
<s>艺术家这个概念</s>
<time>880_00:27:14,461 --> 00:27:16,261</time>
<s>跟今天完全不一样</s>
<time>881_00:27:16,621 --> 00:27:17,341</time>
<s>那个时候的艺术家</s>
<time>882_00:27:17,701 --> 00:27:19,501</time>
<s>本身是一个工程师</s>
<time>883_00:27:19,861 --> 00:27:20,941</time>
<s>是个设计师</s>
<time>884_00:27:21,301 --> 00:27:22,381</time>
<s>是个建筑师</s>
<time>885_00:27:22,741 --> 00:27:24,901</time>
<s>而达芬奇特别的地方</s>
<time>886_00:27:25,261 --> 00:27:25,981</time>
<s>就是说他其实</s>
<time>887_00:27:26,341 --> 00:27:27,061</time>
<s>就是咱们艺术家的概念</s>
<time>888_00:27:27,421 --> 00:27:28,861</time>
<s>是比较晚近才有的一个</s>
<time>889_00:27:29,221 --> 00:27:30,301</time>
<s>其实就是做东西的人</s>
<time>890_00:27:30,661 --> 00:27:31,021</time>
<s>就是做东西的人</s>
<time>891_00:27:31,381 --> 00:27:32,461</time>
<s>我做个东西</s>
<time>892_00:27:32,821 --> 00:27:33,181</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>893_00:27:33,541 --> 00:27:34,621</time>
<s>其实就是不会设计的建筑师</s>
<time>894_00:27:34,981 --> 00:27:35,701</time>
<s>不是好艺术家</s>
<time>895_00:27:36,781 --> 00:27:38,221</time>
<s>这叫绕进去</s>
<time>896_00:27:38,581 --> 00:27:39,301</time>
<s>而且那个时候</s>
<time>897_00:27:39,661 --> 00:27:40,021</time>
<s>对不起</s>
<time>898_00:27:40,381 --> 00:27:41,821</time>
<s>但达芬奇我们不能否认</s>
<time>899_00:27:42,181 --> 00:27:42,901</time>
<s>他是个大才</s>
<time>900_00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:43,981</time>
<s>他在世的时候</s>
<time>901_00:27:44,341 --> 00:27:45,061</time>
<s>就名满欧洲了</s>
<time>902_00:27:45,421 --> 00:27:46,501</time>
<s>但是他最有名的</s>
<time>903_00:27:46,861 --> 00:27:47,581</time>
<s>我觉得最厉害的</s>
<time>904_00:27:47,941 --> 00:27:48,661</time>
<s>他反而是他什么</s>
<time>905_00:27:49,021 --> 00:27:50,461</time>
<s>不会说他会做这么多样东西</s>
<time>906_00:27:50,821 --> 00:27:53,701</time>
<s>而是他有一种贯通的能力</s>
<time>907_00:27:54,061 --> 00:27:55,141</time>
<s>在他这几样东西下</s>
<time>908_00:27:55,501 --> 00:27:55,861</time>
<s>那是什么</s>
<time>909_00:27:56,221 --> 00:27:56,941</time>
<s>他的观察力</s>
<time>910_00:27:58,381 --> 00:27:59,101</time>
<s>你刚才说的</s>
<time>911_00:27:59,461 --> 00:28:00,181</time>
<s>他的所有的笔记</s>
<time>912_00:28:00,541 --> 00:28:00,901</time>
<s>其实是什么</s>
<time>913_00:28:01,261 --> 00:28:02,341</time>
<s>大部分都是一些图绘</s>
<time>914_00:28:03,061 --> 00:28:04,141</time>
<s>那些东西都是你发现</s>
<time>915_00:28:04,501 --> 00:28:05,941</time>
<s>绘图对他来讲是一种</s>
<time>916_00:28:06,301 --> 00:28:07,741</time>
<s>知识探索的工具</s>
<time>917_00:28:08,101 --> 00:28:08,821</time>
<s>他仔细地观察</s>
<time>918_00:28:09,181 --> 00:28:11,341</time>
<s>一个河流里面这个水</s>
<time>919_00:28:11,701 --> 00:28:12,781</time>
<s>碰到这个石岸</s>
<time>920_00:28:13,141 --> 00:28:14,581</time>
<s>产生的那个漩涡</s>
<time>921_00:28:14,941 --> 00:28:16,021</time>
<s>到底是怎么回事</s>
<time>922_00:28:16,381 --> 00:28:17,101</time>
<s>然后他仔细地画</s>
<time>923_00:28:17,461 --> 00:28:18,181</time>
<s>他不断地在画</s>
<time>924_00:28:18,541 --> 00:28:19,981</time>
<s>其实是一种观察</s>
<time>925_00:28:20,341 --> 00:28:21,421</time>
<s>比如说他每天</s>
<time>926_00:28:21,781 --> 00:28:22,861</time>
<s>他那个笔记本很搞笑</s>
<time>927_00:28:23,221 --> 00:28:24,661</time>
<s>他会记录很多问题</s>
<time>928_00:28:25,021 --> 00:28:25,381</time>
<s>你看到这个人</s>
<time>929_00:28:25,741 --> 00:28:27,181</time>
<s>有无穷好奇心</s>
<time>930_00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:28,261</time>
<s>他问的问题</s>
<time>931_00:28:29,701 --> 00:28:31,141</time>
<s>比如说那个待办事务</s>
<time>932_00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:31,861</time>
<s>就我们手机上</s>
<time>933_00:28:32,221 --> 00:28:33,301</time>
<s>今天还有什么要干</s>
<time>934_00:28:33,661 --> 00:28:34,741</time>
<s>他那个笔记本也写很多</s>
<time>935_00:28:35,101 --> 00:28:37,261</time>
<s>他说今天记得要去问谁</s>
<time>936_00:28:37,621 --> 00:28:40,141</time>
<s>鹦鹉的舌头是什么样子的</s>
<time>937_00:28:40,501 --> 00:28:41,221</time>
<s>然后跟着下午</s>
<time>938_00:28:41,581 --> 00:28:43,021</time>
<s>要去问某一个人</s>
<time>939_00:28:43,381 --> 00:28:45,541</time>
<s>说那个罗马的什么样的乐器</s>
<time>940_00:28:45,901 --> 00:28:47,341</time>
<s>吹出来是什么样的声音的</s>
<time>941_00:28:47,701 --> 00:28:49,141</time>
<s>就什么样的人会想到</s>
<time>942_00:28:49,501 --> 00:28:49,861</time>
<s>要问这些问题</s>
<time>943_00:28:50,221 --> 00:28:52,021</time>
<s>比如他要问啄木鸟</s>
<time>944_00:28:52,381 --> 00:28:53,461</time>
<s>是怎么样交配的</s>
<time>945_00:28:53,821 --> 00:28:54,901</time>
<s>他在想什么呢</s>
<time>946_00:28:55,261 --> 00:28:56,701</time>
<s>他怎么会问这些问题呢</s>
<time>947_00:28:57,061 --> 00:28:58,141</time>
<s>他是有无穷好奇心</s>
<time>948_00:28:58,501 --> 00:28:59,581</time>
<s>什么都要观察</s>
<time>949_00:28:59,941 --> 00:29:01,381</time>
<s>然后当把这些东西都画下来</s>
<time>950_00:29:01,741 --> 00:29:02,821</time>
<s>记录下来之后</s>
<time>951_00:29:03,181 --> 00:29:04,981</time>
<s>来成就他所有别的东西</s>
<time>952_00:29:05,341 --> 00:29:07,141</time>
<s>个人的成就是一回事</s>
<time>953_00:29:07,501 --> 00:29:09,661</time>
<s>当我们说出现了文艺复兴</s>
<time>954_00:29:10,021 --> 00:29:11,461</time>
<s>整个时代的气氛</s>
<time>955_00:29:11,821 --> 00:29:12,901</time>
<s>时代的现象</s>
<time>956_00:29:13,261 --> 00:29:15,061</time>
<s>他不是说只是一两个人</s>
<time>957_00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:16,501</time>
<s>整个时代</s>
<time>958_00:29:16,861 --> 00:29:19,381</time>
<s>要建立在两个基础上面</s>
<time>959_00:29:19,741 --> 00:29:21,181</time>
<s>第一个价值观</s>
<time>960_00:29:21,541 --> 00:29:23,341</time>
<s>在那时候觉得这样做是好的</s>
<time>961_00:29:23,701 --> 00:29:25,501</time>
<s>自然的应该的</s>
<time>962_00:29:25,861 --> 00:29:27,661</time>
<s>第二个是可行性</s>
<time>963_00:29:28,021 --> 00:29:28,381</time>
<s>什么意思呢</s>
<time>964_00:29:28,741 --> 00:29:29,101</time>
<s>价值观</s>
<time>965_00:29:29,461 --> 00:29:30,541</time>
<s>我们知道文艺复兴</s>
<time>966_00:29:30,901 --> 00:29:31,621</time>
<s>建立在什么</s>
<time>967_00:29:31,981 --> 00:29:33,421</time>
<s>我们对于理性的追求</s>
<time>968_00:29:33,781 --> 00:29:34,861</time>
<s>人的解放</s>
<time>969_00:29:35,221 --> 00:29:37,381</time>
<s>从神的控制出来</s>
<time>970_00:29:37,741 --> 00:29:39,901</time>
<s>整个价值观在这里</s>
<time>971_00:29:40,261 --> 00:29:42,061</time>
<s>你才能说我们信任</s>
<time>972_00:29:42,421 --> 00:29:43,501</time>
<s>我们的心中的好奇心</s>
<time>973_00:29:43,861 --> 00:29:46,381</time>
<s>问号观察科学</s>
<time>974_00:29:46,741 --> 00:29:47,821</time>
<s>艺术也好</s>
<time>975_00:29:48,181 --> 00:29:49,261</time>
<s>从这里解放出来</s>
<time>976_00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,141</time>
<s>而且是有可行性</s>
<time>977_00:29:52,501 --> 00:29:55,381</time>
<s>整个欧洲当时的分裂状态</s>
<time>978_00:29:55,741 --> 00:29:56,461</time>
<s>城邦国</s>
<time>979_00:29:56,821 --> 00:29:59,341</time>
<s>当然也有它财富的累积</s>
<time>980_00:29:59,701 --> 00:30:01,861</time>
<s>我们想回那个</s>
<time>981_00:30:02,221 --> 00:30:04,021</time>
<s>先秦不就这样吗</s>
<time>982_00:30:04,381 --> 00:30:05,821</time>
<s>那九流十家”</s>
<time>983_00:30:06,181 --> 00:30:07,621</time>
<s>也是因为那个时代</s>
<time>984_00:30:07,981 --> 00:30:10,141</time>
<s>从那个旧的封建时代</s>
<time>985_00:30:10,501 --> 00:30:11,581</time>
<s>转型出来了</s>
<time>986_00:30:11,941 --> 00:30:13,021</time>
<s>整个解放出来</s>
<time>987_00:30:13,381 --> 00:30:14,461</time>
<s>价值观就是说</s>
<time>988_00:30:14,821 --> 00:30:16,981</time>
<s>我们要追求不同的思考</s>
<time>989_00:30:17,341 --> 00:30:19,141</time>
<s>什么才是一个好的国家</s>
<time>990_00:30:19,501 --> 00:30:21,301</time>
<s>好的人好的存在</s>
<time>991_00:30:22,021 --> 00:30:24,181</time>
<s>当时的人也是文武双全</s>
<time>992_00:30:24,541 --> 00:30:25,981</time>
<s>你看墨家好了</s>
<time>993_00:30:26,341 --> 00:30:28,141</time>
<s>墨子传说中的墨子</s>
<time>994_00:30:28,501 --> 00:30:31,381</time>
<s>军事家工程师哲学家</s>
<time>995_00:30:31,741 --> 00:30:33,181</time>
<s>理论家对不对</s>
<time>996_00:30:33,541 --> 00:30:36,421</time>
<s>然后也有那种可能性可行性</s>
<time>997_00:30:36,781 --> 00:30:37,861</time>
<s>不同的国家</s>
<time>998_00:30:38,221 --> 00:30:38,941</time>
<s>我去另外的</s>
<time>999_00:30:39,301 --> 00:30:41,101</time>
<s>你不听我我去找你</s>
<time>1000_00:30:41,461 --> 00:30:41,821</time>
<s>一样的</s>
<time>1001_00:30:42,181 --> 00:30:43,981</time>
<s>所以从这个逻辑出来</s>
<time>1002_00:30:44,341 --> 00:30:45,421</time>
<s>那为什么会有出现了</s>
<time>1003_00:30:45,781 --> 00:30:47,581</time>
<s>这种斜杠青年的现象呢</s>
<time>1004_00:30:47,941 --> 00:30:50,101</time>
<s>第一个价值观不一样</s>
<time>1005_00:30:50,461 --> 00:30:51,901</time>
<s>现在刚刚文道也讲了说</s>
<time>1006_00:30:52,261 --> 00:30:54,781</time>
<s>很多年轻人根本不会</s>
<time>1007_00:30:55,141 --> 00:30:56,221</time>
<s>想着养老这个那个</s>
<time>1008_00:30:56,581 --> 00:30:58,021</time>
<s>因为他们看中的是什么</s>
<time>1009_00:30:58,381 --> 00:31:00,901</time>
<s>生命的意义价值</s>
<time>1010_00:31:01,261 --> 00:31:02,701</time>
<s>而不是价格</s>
<time>1011_00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:04,861</time>
<s>我们时间的意义</s>
<time>1012_00:31:05,221 --> 00:31:06,301</time>
<s>整个价值观不一样</s>
<time>1013_00:31:06,661 --> 00:31:07,381</time>
<s>可是你只有</s>
<time>1014_00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:08,461</time>
<s>这种价值观没有用</s>
<time>1015_00:31:08,821 --> 00:31:09,901</time>
<s>坦白讲我爸妈也有</s>
<time>1016_00:31:10,261 --> 00:31:10,981</time>
<s>这种价值观</s>
<time>1017_00:31:11,341 --> 00:31:12,781</time>
<s>我年轻的时候也有</s>
<time>1018_00:31:13,141 --> 00:31:13,861</time>
<s>可是不可行</s>
<time>1019_00:31:14,221 --> 00:31:15,301</time>
<s>为什么不可行</s>
<time>1020_00:31:15,661 --> 00:31:18,541</time>
<s>就是没有那个时代的</s>
<time>1021_00:31:18,901 --> 00:31:20,341</time>
<s>技术上面的可行性</s>
<time>1022_00:31:20,701 --> 00:31:21,061</time>
<s>什么意思</s>
<time>1023_00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:21,781</time>
<s>比方说现在</s>
<time>1024_00:31:22,141 --> 00:31:24,301</time>
<s>有媒体时代网络时代</s>
<time>1025_00:31:24,661 --> 00:31:26,101</time>
<s>你在不同的平台</s>
<time>1026_00:31:26,461 --> 00:31:28,981</time>
<s>不同的矩阵来干一脚</s>
<time>1027_00:31:29,341 --> 00:31:30,781</time>
<s>赚点钱这里赚点钱</s>
<time>1028_00:31:31,141 --> 00:31:32,581</time>
<s>甚至于跨国全球化</s>
<time>1029_00:31:32,941 --> 00:31:33,301</time>
<s>不是吗</s>
<time>1030_00:31:33,661 --> 00:31:34,741</time>
<s>你住在北京</s>
<time>1031_00:31:35,101 --> 00:31:36,541</time>
<s>可能签一个项目</s>
<time>1032_00:31:36,901 --> 00:31:41,581</time>
<s>是在纽约给你的</s>
<time>1033_00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:42,661</time>
<s>你要有价值观</s>
<time>1034_00:31:43,021 --> 00:31:45,541</time>
<s>有可能性才能成立</s>
<time>1035_00:31:45,901 --> 00:31:47,341</time>
<s>这个你说这个现在看</s>
<time>1036_00:31:47,701 --> 00:31:49,141</time>
<s>就是很多这个父母亲</s>
<time>1037_00:31:49,501 --> 00:31:50,941</time>
<s>整天背着那个古琴</s>
<time>1038_00:31:51,301 --> 00:31:52,741</time>
<s>带着孩子上这个班</s>
<time>1039_00:31:53,101 --> 00:31:53,821</time>
<s>上那个班</s>
<time>1040_00:31:54,181 --> 00:31:55,621</time>
<s>钢琴班什么班</s>
<time>1041_00:31:55,981 --> 00:31:57,421</time>
<s>这个孩子不堪其苦</s>
<time>1042_00:31:57,781 --> 00:31:58,501</time>
<s>就是等于说</s>
<time>1043_00:31:58,861 --> 00:31:59,581</time>
<s>我这么样地培养你</s>
<time>1044_00:31:59,941 --> 00:32:00,661</time>
<s>往斜杠方向</s>
<time>1045_00:32:01,021 --> 00:32:02,101</time>
<s>这么多杠培养你</s>
<time>1046_00:32:02,461 --> 00:32:03,181</time>
<s>你觉得</s>
<time>1047_00:32:03,541 --> 00:32:03,901</time>
<s>杠杠都不行</s>
<time>1048_00:32:04,261 --> 00:32:07,141</time>
<s>杠杠都受罪</s>
<time>1049_00:32:07,501 --> 00:32:08,581</time>
<s>可是真的咱就说</s>
<time>1050_00:32:08,941 --> 00:32:10,741</time>
<s>见到这个“人中龙凤”</s>
<time>1051_00:32:11,101 --> 00:32:12,181</time>
<s>我怎么会觉得</s>
<time>1052_00:32:12,541 --> 00:32:12,901</time>
<s>当然我因为现在</s>
<time>1053_00:32:13,261 --> 00:32:14,341</time>
<s>跟年轻人接触少</s>
<time>1054_00:32:14,701 --> 00:32:16,141</time>
<s>所以要多跟杨好接触</s>
<time>1055_00:32:16,501 --> 00:32:17,941</time>
<s>就是我觉得我小时候</s>
<time>1056_00:32:18,301 --> 00:32:19,381</time>
<s>这样的人多</s>
<time>1057_00:32:19,741 --> 00:32:21,181</time>
<s>就是你比如说</s>
<time>1058_00:32:21,541 --> 00:32:23,341</time>
<s>你看这个我们小时候</s>
<time>1059_00:32:23,701 --> 00:32:25,861</time>
<s>那个时候什么都没有吧</s>
<time>1060_00:32:26,221 --> 00:32:27,301</time>
<s>但是比如说这个</s>
<time>1061_00:32:29,101 --> 00:32:30,901</time>
<s>达芬奇并不神秘</s>
<time>1062_00:32:31,261 --> 00:32:33,061</time>
<s>我认为这是人类</s>
<time>1063_00:32:33,421 --> 00:32:34,861</time>
<s>一个永恒的好奇心</s>
<time>1064_00:32:35,221 --> 00:32:36,661</time>
<s>真正让人觉得</s>
<time>1065_00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:38,101</time>
<s>可能有点难以理解的就是</s>
<time>1066_00:32:38,461 --> 00:32:40,261</time>
<s>现在这个精神</s>
<time>1067_00:32:40,621 --> 00:32:43,141</time>
<s>是不是有点被生存</s>
<time>1068_00:32:43,501 --> 00:32:45,661</time>
<s>或者被什么物质给压住了</s>
<time>1069_00:32:46,021 --> 00:32:47,101</time>
<s>因为什么呢</s>
<time>1070_00:32:47,461 --> 00:32:48,901</time>
<s>那天我跟一主持人聊</s>
<time>1071_00:32:49,261 --> 00:32:50,341</time>
<s>就是说现在</s>
<time>1072_00:32:50,701 --> 00:32:53,221</time>
<s>现在挺爱批评主持人的</s>
<time>1073_00:32:53,941 --> 00:32:54,661</time>
<s>有时候批评得主持人</s>
<time>1074_00:32:55,021 --> 00:32:55,381</time>
<s>不敢提问题</s>
<time>1075_00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:56,101</time>
<s>就是说你怎么</s>
<time>1076_00:32:56,461 --> 00:32:57,541</time>
<s>问这个愚蠢的问题</s>
<time>1077_00:32:57,901 --> 00:32:58,621</time>
<s>我就说当然了</s>
<time>1078_00:32:58,981 --> 00:32:59,341</time>
<s>也有主持人</s>
<time>1079_00:32:59,701 --> 00:33:00,421</time>
<s>经常问愚鑫的问题</s>
<time>1080_00:33:00,781 --> 00:33:01,501</time>
<s>比如说像我这样</s>
<time>1081_00:33:01,861 --> 00:33:02,581</time>
<s>我说但是基本上</s>
<time>1082_00:33:02,941 --> 00:33:04,381</time>
<s>我老记得我的小学老师</s>
<time>1083_00:33:04,741 --> 00:33:05,821</time>
<s>跟我们讲过一句话</s>
<time>1084_00:33:06,181 --> 00:33:08,701</time>
<s>说世界上没有愚蠢的问题</s>
<time>1085_00:33:09,061 --> 00:33:10,501</time>
<s>只有愚鑫的回答</s>
<time>1086_00:33:10,861 --> 00:33:11,941</time>
<s>实际上我后来长大了明白</s>
<time>1087_00:33:12,301 --> 00:33:13,741</time>
<s>连愚蠢的回答也没有</s>
<time>1088_00:33:14,101 --> 00:33:14,821</time>
<s>任何问题和回答</s>
<time>1089_00:33:15,181 --> 00:33:16,981</time>
<s>如果你是一个有心人</s>
<time>1090_00:33:17,341 --> 00:33:18,781</time>
<s>你都不用忙着批评</s>
<time>1091_00:33:19,141 --> 00:33:20,221</time>
<s>你都可以观察</s>
<time>1092_00:33:20,581 --> 00:33:21,661</time>
<s>都可以得到你的（心得）</s>
<time>1093_00:33:22,021 --> 00:33:24,181</time>
<s>你都不必急于去褒贬对吧</s>
<time>1094_00:33:24,541 --> 00:33:25,981</time>
<s>好我说的什么意思呢</s>
<time>1095_00:33:26,341 --> 00:33:27,061</time>
<s>我说因为我们小时候</s>
<time>1096_00:33:27,421 --> 00:33:29,221</time>
<s>有本书叫《十万个为什么》</s>
<time>1097_00:33:29,581 --> 00:33:31,741</time>
<s>我们全班同学都是这样的</s>
<time>1098_00:33:32,101 --> 00:33:32,821</time>
<s>就是说</s>
<time>1099_00:33:33,181 --> 00:33:34,981</time>
<s>这个什么什么什么</s>
<time>1100_00:33:35,341 --> 00:33:37,141</time>
<s>就是很多太多问题了</s>
<time>1101_00:33:37,501 --> 00:33:39,301</time>
<s>而且你看</s>
<time>1102_00:33:39,661 --> 00:33:42,181</time>
<s>有刚出现电视机的时候</s>
<time>1103_00:33:42,541 --> 00:33:43,981</time>
<s>九寸的电视机</s>
<time>1104_00:33:44,341 --> 00:33:46,501</time>
<s>至少班里四五个同学</s>
<time>1105_00:33:46,861 --> 00:33:47,221</time>
<s>他琢磨琢磨</s>
<time>1106_00:33:47,581 --> 00:33:48,301</time>
<s>他就装电视机</s>
<time>1107_00:33:48,661 --> 00:33:49,381</time>
<s>到那个无线电厂</s>
<time>1108_00:33:49,741 --> 00:33:50,821</time>
<s>那个垃圾里找点零配件</s>
<time>1109_00:33:51,181 --> 00:33:51,541</time>
<s>九寸</s>
<time>1110_00:33:51,901 --> 00:33:52,621</time>
<s>自己就组装了</s>
<time>1111_00:33:52,981 --> 00:33:53,341</time>
<s>那是最早的</s>
<time>1112_00:33:53,701 --> 00:33:56,221</time>
<s>我们的九寸黑白电视机</s>
<time>1113_00:33:56,581 --> 00:33:58,021</time>
<s>手机都比它大了</s>
<time>1114_00:33:58,381 --> 00:34:00,541</time>
<s>最早有那个音响的时候</s>
<time>1115_00:34:00,901 --> 00:34:01,621</time>
<s>像我哥哥</s>
<time>1116_00:34:01,981 --> 00:34:02,701</time>
<s>还有我哥哥的同学们</s>
<time>1117_00:34:03,061 --> 00:34:04,501</time>
<s>就高中生好多人</s>
<time>1118_00:34:04,861 --> 00:34:05,221</time>
<s>自己拼吗</s>
<time>1119_00:34:05,581 --> 00:34:06,301</time>
<s>我们以前也玩过</s>
<time>1120_00:34:06,661 --> 00:34:07,741</time>
<s>对然后中国最早</s>
<time>1121_00:34:08,461 --> 00:34:09,901</time>
<s>有流行歌曲的时候</s>
<time>1122_00:34:10,261 --> 00:34:12,421</time>
<s>全班男生都学弹吉他</s>
<time>1123_00:34:12,781 --> 00:34:14,221</time>
<s>而且是扒</s>
<time>1124_00:34:14,581 --> 00:34:14,941</time>
<s>对而且</s>
<time>1125_00:34:15,301 --> 00:34:16,381</time>
<s>扒下来把那个音乐</s>
<time>1126_00:34:16,741 --> 00:34:18,541</time>
<s>对全会弹会唱</s>
<time>1127_00:34:18,901 --> 00:34:20,701</time>
<s>都不是父母掏钱学的</s>
<time>1128_00:34:21,061 --> 00:34:22,501</time>
<s>就是自己这么着弄的</s>
<time>1129_00:34:22,861 --> 00:34:23,941</time>
<s>就是而且你知道</s>
<time>1130_00:34:25,381 --> 00:34:27,541</time>
<s>至少是诗人吧</s>
<time>1131_00:34:27,901 --> 00:34:29,701</time>
<s>班里一般好几个小诗人</s>
<time>1132_00:34:30,061 --> 00:34:31,141</time>
<s>你今天看起来</s>
<time>1133_00:34:31,501 --> 00:34:31,861</time>
<s>就多才多艺</s>
<time>1134_00:34:32,221 --> 00:34:34,021</time>
<s>他拿琴能唱歌是吧</s>
<time>1135_00:34:34,381 --> 00:34:35,821</time>
<s>拿起木匠的工具</s>
<time>1136_00:34:36,181 --> 00:34:37,981</time>
<s>他能干木匠活对不对</s>
<time>1137_00:34:38,341 --> 00:34:39,061</time>
<s>我的意思就有一种</s>
<time>1138_00:34:39,421 --> 00:34:40,501</time>
<s>类似于达芬奇的</s>
<time>1139_00:34:40,861 --> 00:34:43,021</time>
<s>那样一种好奇心</s>
<time>1140_00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:44,101</time>
<s>可是问题就在于</s>
<time>1141_00:34:44,461 --> 00:34:44,821</time>
<s>他是不是后来</s>
<time>1142_00:34:45,181 --> 00:34:46,621</time>
<s>能变成斜杠青年的分别</s>
<time>1143_00:34:46,981 --> 00:34:47,701</time>
<s>就在于他有没有用它</s>
<time>1144_00:34:48,061 --> 00:34:50,581</time>
<s>当成一个工作</s>
<time>1145_00:34:50,941 --> 00:34:51,661</time>
<s>或者说是身份</s>
<time>1146_00:34:52,741 --> 00:34:53,101</time>
<s>还是一个</s>
<time>1147_00:34:53,461 --> 00:34:53,821</time>
<s>只是业余兴趣</s>
<time>1148_00:34:54,541 --> 00:34:54,901</time>
<s>这是不一样的</s>
<time>1149_00:34:55,261 --> 00:34:55,981</time>
<s>所以还真的是</s>
<time>1150_00:34:56,341 --> 00:34:57,061</time>
<s>就是一代青年</s>
<time>1151_00:34:57,421 --> 00:34:59,941</time>
<s>我当年觉得我们班的同学</s>
<time>1152_00:35:00,301 --> 00:35:01,021</time>
<s>都挺多才多艺的</s>
<time>1153_00:35:01,381 --> 00:35:01,741</time>
<s>说了半天</s>
<time>1154_00:35:02,101 --> 00:35:04,261</time>
<s>原来自己夸自己达芬奇</s>
<time>1155_00:35:05,701 --> 00:35:06,781</time>
<s>所以觉得达芬奇不神秘</s>
<time>1156_00:35:07,141 --> 00:35:08,941</time>
<s>我为什么耿耿于怀呢</s>
<time>1157_00:35:09,301 --> 00:35:11,461</time>
<s>就本来你是个达芬奇的命</s>
<time>1158_00:35:11,821 --> 00:35:13,981</time>
<s>结果活出了窦文涛</s>
<time>1159_00:35:14,341 --> 00:35:15,061</time>
<s>被主持耽误了</s>
<time>1160_00:35:15,421 --> 00:35:15,781</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1161_00:35:16,141 --> 00:35:18,301</time>
<s>反而我是另一种大智慧</s>
<time>1162_00:35:18,661 --> 00:35:20,461</time>
<s>叫作大智若愚</s>
<time>1163_00:35:20,821 --> 00:35:22,621</time>
<s>我为什么就是耿耿于怀呢</s>
<time>1164_00:35:22,981 --> 00:35:24,061</time>
<s>就因为我太自卑了</s>
<time>1165_00:35:24,421 --> 00:35:25,141</time>
<s>我在我那个年代</s>
<time>1166_00:35:25,501 --> 00:35:26,221</time>
<s>我们同班同学当中</s>
<time>1167_00:35:26,581 --> 00:35:28,021</time>
<s>我什么都不会</s>
<time>1168_00:35:28,381 --> 00:35:29,821</time>
<s>吉他我只会弹</s>
<time>1169_00:35:30,181 --> 00:35:30,901</time>
<s>这一个和弦</s>
<time>1170_00:35:31,261 --> 00:35:32,701</time>
<s>别的什么都不会</s>
<time>1171_00:35:33,061 --> 00:35:34,141</time>
<s>就是甚至于</s>
<time>1172_00:35:34,501 --> 00:35:36,301</time>
<s>他们做模型飞机做什么</s>
<time>1173_00:35:36,661 --> 00:35:38,101</time>
<s>就急得要哭</s>
<time>1174_00:35:38,461 --> 00:35:39,901</time>
<s>那个时候被女孩子也瞧不起</s>
<time>1175_00:35:40,261 --> 00:35:40,981</time>
<s>就是不会</s>
<time>1176_00:35:41,341 --> 00:35:44,221</time>
<s>就是我当时觉得我笨得</s>
<time>1177_00:35:44,581 --> 00:35:47,461</time>
<s>画个圆我就画不圆</s>
<time>1178_00:35:47,821 --> 00:35:48,901</time>
<s>接不上头</s>
<time>1179_00:35:49,261 --> 00:35:49,621</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>1180_00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:50,341</time>
<s>那个时候我就觉得</s>
<time>1181_00:35:50,701 --> 00:35:52,501</time>
<s>我跟我周围的孩子比起来</s>
<time>1182_00:35:52,861 --> 00:35:54,661</time>
<s>他们一个个神采飞扬的</s>
<time>1183_00:35:55,021 --> 00:35:57,181</time>
<s>每天溜冰对吧</s>
<time>1184_00:35:57,541 --> 00:35:59,341</time>
<s>时旱冰鞋了</s>
<time>1185_00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:00,421</time>
<s>一会儿他就会了</s>
<time>1186_00:36:01,141 --> 00:36:02,941</time>
<s>就是甚至自己做旱冰鞋</s>
<time>1187_00:36:03,301 --> 00:36:04,021</time>
<s>我什么都不会</s>
<time>1188_00:36:04,381 --> 00:36:04,741</time>
<s>那你到底</s>
<time>1189_00:36:05,101 --> 00:36:05,461</time>
<s>·笨得我</s>
<time>1190_00:36:05,821 --> 00:36:06,901</time>
<s>最擅长是什么</s>
<time>1191_00:36:09,781 --> 00:36:10,501</time>
<s>就是要嘴皮子</s>
<time>1192_00:36:11,581 --> 00:36:12,301</time>
<s>这太专业了</s>
<time>1193_00:36:12,661 --> 00:36:13,381</time>
<s>从小就是专业</s>
<time>1194_00:36:13,741 --> 00:36:14,821</time>
<s>在我们那个年代</s>
<time>1195_00:36:15,181 --> 00:36:17,341</time>
<s>最低档的最瞧不起的男生</s>
<time>1196_00:36:17,701 --> 00:36:19,141</time>
<s>就叫你就会要嘴皮子</s>
<time>1197_00:36:19,501 --> 00:36:20,221</time>
<s>结果我还就成了</s>
<time>1198_00:36:20,581 --> 00:36:22,021</time>
<s>我的唯一的职业</s>
<time>1199_00:36:22,381 --> 00:36:23,821</time>
<s>你说我这种</s>
<time>1200_00:36:24,181 --> 00:36:26,341</time>
<s>就算是毫无所能</s>
<time>1201_00:36:26,701 --> 00:36:28,141</time>
<s>您是放弃的哲学</s>
<time>1202_00:36:28,501 --> 00:36:29,221</time>
<s>那杨好你是当初</s>
<time>1203_00:36:29,581 --> 00:36:32,101</time>
<s>你是从来没有想过说</s>
<time>1204_00:36:32,461 --> 00:36:33,901</time>
<s>要做什么斜杠青年</s>
<time>1205_00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:35,341</time>
<s>你只是沿看一条路</s>
<time>1206_00:36:35,701 --> 00:36:36,061</time>
<s>自然地走出去</s>
<time>1207_00:36:36,421 --> 00:36:37,141</time>
<s>我从来没有想过</s>
<time>1208_00:36:37,501 --> 00:36:40,021</time>
<s>就是斜杠青年这个词是出现</s>
<time>1209_00:36:40,381 --> 00:36:40,741</time>
<s>我第一次接触它</s>
<time>1210_00:36:41,101 --> 00:36:42,901</time>
<s>是出现在新媒体里的</s>
<time>1211_00:36:43,261 --> 00:36:43,621</time>
<s>就我觉得有时候</s>
<time>1212_00:36:43,981 --> 00:36:45,061</time>
<s>可能斜杠青年</s>
<time>1213_00:36:45,421 --> 00:36:46,501</time>
<s>也是被新媒体</s>
<time>1214_00:36:46,861 --> 00:36:48,301</time>
<s>所塑造出来的一个词</s>
<time>1215_00:36:48,661 --> 00:36:50,461</time>
<s>因为去年是尤甚</s>
<time>1216_00:36:50,821 --> 00:36:52,621</time>
<s>只要斜杠青年这个关键词在</s>
<time>1217_00:36:52,981 --> 00:36:53,341</time>
<s>这篇文章</s>
<time>1218_00:36:53,701 --> 00:36:56,221</time>
<s>有可能是过10w+的文章</s>
<time>1219_00:36:56,581 --> 00:36:56,941</time>
<s>所以我在想</s>
<time>1220_00:36:57,301 --> 00:36:58,381</time>
<s>大家可能制造了</s>
<time>1221_00:36:58,741 --> 00:36:59,101</time>
<s>你觉得这是为什么呢</s>
<time>1222_00:37:01,621 --> 00:37:02,341</time>
<s>要过10W+</s>
<time>1223_00:37:02,701 --> 00:37:03,421</time>
<s>那肯定反映了一种</s>
<time>1224_00:37:03,781 --> 00:37:05,941</time>
<s>在较大面积青年当中</s>
<time>1225_00:37:06,301 --> 00:37:09,181</time>
<s>他们的一种希图</s>
<time>1226_00:37:09,541 --> 00:37:10,981</time>
<s>可能是一种释放</s>
<time>1227_00:37:11,341 --> 00:37:14,221</time>
<s>就是大家在释放一种</s>
<time>1228_00:37:14,581 --> 00:37:16,021</time>
<s>自由的生活状态</s>
<time>1229_00:37:16,381 --> 00:37:17,461</time>
<s>而这种自由的生活状态</s>
<time>1230_00:37:17,821 --> 00:37:21,061</time>
<s>不一定是我真想去做一个</s>
<time>1231_00:37:21,421 --> 00:37:23,221</time>
<s>所谓真正的斜杠青年</s>
<time>1232_00:37:23,581 --> 00:37:25,381</time>
<s>我替年轻人说几句话</s>
<time>1233_00:37:25,741 --> 00:37:27,901</time>
<s>我觉得我们其实</s>
<time>1234_00:37:28,261 --> 00:37:29,701</time>
<s>一出生下来</s>
<time>1235_00:37:30,061 --> 00:37:31,141</time>
<s>就生活在了一个</s>
<time>1236_00:37:31,501 --> 00:37:31,861</time>
<s>不确定之中</s>
<time>1237_00:37:32,221 --> 00:37:33,661</time>
<s>因为信息太过剩了</s>
<time>1238_00:37:34,021 --> 00:37:36,181</time>
<s>这种信息让我们无从选择</s>
<time>1239_00:37:36,541 --> 00:37:38,341</time>
<s>所以我们为什么不考虑</s>
<time>1240_00:37:38,701 --> 00:37:39,781</time>
<s>一个计划性的人生</s>
<time>1241_00:37:40,141 --> 00:37:41,581</time>
<s>或者不考虑养老金</s>
<time>1242_00:37:41,941 --> 00:37:43,381</time>
<s>甚至没法</s>
<time>1243_00:37:43,741 --> 00:37:44,461</time>
<s>无所顾忌</s>
<time>1244_00:37:44,821 --> 00:37:47,701</time>
<s>天真地去这么多才多艺地去</s>
<time>1245_00:37:48,061 --> 00:37:49,501</time>
<s>去享受学习的乐趣</s>
<time>1246_00:37:49,861 --> 00:37:52,021</time>
<s>因为我们一到学习的时候</s>
<time>1247_00:37:52,381 --> 00:37:54,181</time>
<s>学习就变成了知识</s>
<time>1248_00:37:54,541 --> 00:37:56,341</time>
<s>知识其实本身</s>
<time>1249_00:37:56,701 --> 00:37:57,421</time>
<s>是有乐趣的</s>
<time>1250_00:37:57,781 --> 00:37:59,581</time>
<s>但是当知识被标准化了</s>
<time>1251_00:37:59,941 --> 00:38:01,381</time>
<s>或者说它被刻度化了之后</s>
<time>1252_00:38:01,741 --> 00:38:03,181</time>
<s>它就丧失了它应该有的</s>
<time>1253_00:38:03,541 --> 00:38:04,981</time>
<s>那层真理的乐趣</s>
<time>1254_00:38:05,341 --> 00:38:06,421</time>
<s>就我们一生下来</s>
<time>1255_00:38:06,781 --> 00:38:07,861</time>
<s>其实是非常流行</s>
<time>1256_00:38:08,221 --> 00:38:08,581</time>
<s>知识这个词</s>
<time>1257_00:38:08,941 --> 00:38:10,021</time>
<s>而不流行真理这个词</s>
<time>1258_00:38:10,381 --> 00:38:11,101</time>
<s>她讲得有意思</s>
<time>1259_00:38:11,461 --> 00:38:12,541</time>
<s>就是你解答了我</s>
<time>1260_00:38:12,901 --> 00:38:14,701</time>
<s>一个老人的困惑</s>
<time>1261_00:38:15,061 --> 00:38:15,781</time>
<s>知识付费</s>
<time>1262_00:38:16,141 --> 00:38:17,581</time>
<s>这词我从来都不太理解</s>
<time>1263_00:38:17,941 --> 00:38:20,101</time>
<s>你知道吗就是说知识付费</s>
<time>1264_00:38:20,461 --> 00:38:22,261</time>
<s>就我整天看的那些书</s>
<time>1265_00:38:22,621 --> 00:38:23,701</time>
<s>叫“知识”吗</s>
<time>1266_00:38:24,061 --> 00:38:24,781</time>
<s>根本就不是的</s>
<time>1267_00:38:25,141 --> 00:38:27,301</time>
<s>而我这个读书的范围</s>
<time>1268_00:38:27,661 --> 00:38:29,821</time>
<s>却可说是十万个为什么</s>
<time>1269_00:38:30,181 --> 00:38:32,341</time>
<s>却可说是无数个斜杠</s>
<time>1270_00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:33,421</time>
<s>我关心的那个五花八门</s>
<time>1271_00:38:33,781 --> 00:38:35,221</time>
<s>那就不叫知识</s>
<time>1272_00:38:35,581 --> 00:38:37,021</time>
<s>我想知道那是</s>
<time>1273_00:38:37,381 --> 00:38:38,101</time>
<s>就是那是为什么</s>
<time>1274_00:38:38,461 --> 00:38:41,341</time>
<s>就所以我就记得司马迁先生</s>
<time>1275_00:38:41,701 --> 00:38:43,861</time>
<s>当年说过一句话叫</s>
<time>1276_00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:46,381</time>
<s>穷天人之际</s>
<time>1277_00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:48,541</time>
<s>通古今之变</s>
<time>1278_00:38:48,901 --> 00:38:51,061</time>
<s>成一家之言</s>
<time>1279_00:38:51,421 --> 00:38:52,861</time>
<s>这么说好像咱们就是</s>
<time>1280_00:38:53,221 --> 00:38:54,661</time>
<s>说的跟别人这个不接地气</s>
<time>1281_00:38:55,021 --> 00:38:56,101</time>
<s>其实不是</s>
<time>1282_00:38:56,461 --> 00:38:56,821</time>
<s>我觉得这是一种</s>
<time>1283_00:38:57,181 --> 00:38:58,981</time>
<s>很平常的兴趣</s>
<time>1284_00:38:59,701 --> 00:39:01,141</time>
<s>在我这个岁数的人来讲</s>
<time>1285_00:39:01,501 --> 00:39:02,221</time>
<s>恰巧你看</s>
<time>1286_00:39:02,581 --> 00:39:06,181</time>
<s>我们小时候贫乏得没有选择</s>
<time>1287_00:39:06,541 --> 00:39:10,501</time>
<s>你小时候丰富得多的</s>
<time>1288_00:39:10,861 --> 00:39:12,301</time>
<s>也丧失了选择</s>
<time>1289_00:39:12,661 --> 00:39:13,381</time>
<s>同样瘫痪对</s>
<time>1290_00:39:13,741 --> 00:39:15,181</time>
<s>对吧然后呢</s>
<time>1291_00:39:15,541 --> 00:39:17,701</time>
<s>因为我们小时候的极度贫</s>
<time>1292_00:39:18,061 --> 00:39:18,781</time>
<s>精神上的这个</s>
<time>1293_00:39:19,141 --> 00:39:20,581</time>
<s>什么书也看不到</s>
<time>1294_00:39:20,941 --> 00:39:22,381</time>
<s>所以使得我们呢</s>
<time>1295_00:39:22,741 --> 00:39:25,261</time>
<s>把这个你们所说的知识</s>
<time>1296_00:39:25,621 --> 00:39:29,221</time>
<s>当成玩意儿当成乐趣</s>
<time>1297_00:39:29,581 --> 00:39:30,301</time>
<s>比如说我可能哪天</s>
<time>1298_00:39:30,661 --> 00:39:31,381</time>
<s>脑子里突然想</s>
<time>1299_00:39:31,741 --> 00:39:33,181</time>
<s>李后主是怎么死的</s>
