<time>870_00:25:54,892 --> 00:25:56,332</time>
<s>他们日子不用那么苦了</s>
<time>871_00:25:56,692 --> 00:25:58,492</time>
<s>但是他们也改变了</s>
<time>872_00:25:58,852 --> 00:25:59,932</time>
<s>他们的生活</s>
<time>873_00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:02,092</time>
<s>他们的生活是一个村的演员</s>
<time>874_00:26:02,452 --> 00:26:03,172</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>875_00:26:03,532 --> 00:26:06,052</time>
<s>我记得我们一个团去</s>
<time>876_00:26:06,412 --> 00:26:07,492</time>
<s>导游提前在车上</s>
<time>877_00:26:07,852 --> 00:26:08,932</time>
<s>就跟那边打电话</s>
<time>878_00:26:09,292 --> 00:26:10,012</time>
<s>然后那边村里说</s>
<time>879_00:26:10,372 --> 00:26:11,812</time>
<s>旅游团要来了</s>
<time>880_00:26:12,172 --> 00:26:15,412</time>
<s>好家伙家家户户开始化妆</s>
<time>881_00:26:15,772 --> 00:26:16,852</time>
<s>都有那个粉墨登场</s>
<time>882_00:26:17,572 --> 00:26:19,012</time>
<s>他平常不穿民族服装</s>
<time>883_00:26:19,372 --> 00:26:19,732</time>
<s>然后你知道吗</s>
<time>884_00:26:20,092 --> 00:26:22,252</time>
<s>我们一到村口</s>
<time>885_00:26:22,612 --> 00:26:23,332</time>
<s>我一看</s>
<time>886_00:26:25,132 --> 00:26:27,292</time>
<s>就是脸画黑了的兄弟姐妹</s>
<time>887_00:26:29,092 --> 00:26:29,452</time>
<s>去接待你了</s>
<time>888_00:26:29,812 --> 00:26:30,172</time>
<s>就来了</s>
<time>889_00:26:30,532 --> 00:26:31,612</time>
<s>然后就是跳着舞</s>
<time>890_00:26:31,972 --> 00:26:33,772</time>
<s>把你拉到她的家里</s>
<time>891_00:26:34,132 --> 00:26:37,012</time>
<s>然后就让你感受他们的生活</s>
<time>892_00:26:37,372 --> 00:26:38,452</time>
<s>可是等我们走了之后呢</s>
<time>893_00:26:38,812 --> 00:26:40,972</time>
<s>卸了妆该干什么干什么</s>
<time>894_00:26:41,332 --> 00:26:43,132</time>
<s>就是因为这个有一个代表性</s>
<time>895_00:26:43,492 --> 00:26:47,452</time>
<s>是因为就比如说有人过来你家</s>
<time>896_00:26:47,812 --> 00:26:48,892</time>
<s>你会给他什么东西</s>
<time>897_00:26:49,252 --> 00:26:50,692</time>
<s>你会铺出来最好吃的东西</s>
<time>898_00:26:51,412 --> 00:26:52,492</time>
<s>没人会去你家</s>
<time>899_00:26:53,212 --> 00:26:53,932</time>
<s>这是我们普遍（通）的东西</s>
<time>900_00:26:55,012 --> 00:26:55,732</time>
<s>这是我们刚从地里</s>
<time>901_00:26:56,092 --> 00:26:56,452</time>
<s>挖出来的那个白菜</s>
<time>902_00:26:57,892 --> 00:26:58,612</time>
<s>享受好好享受</s>
<time>903_00:26:58,972 --> 00:26:59,332</time>
<s>好好吃少</s>
<time>904_00:26:59,692 --> 00:27:01,132</time>
<s>没有人会这样给你接待</s>
<time>905_00:27:01,492 --> 00:27:02,932</time>
<s>重点是不确定那是最好的</s>
<time>906_00:27:03,292 --> 00:27:04,012</time>
<s>可是他是觉得</s>
<time>907_00:27:04,372 --> 00:27:05,452</time>
<s>那是你想来看的</s>
<time>908_00:27:05,812 --> 00:27:06,532</time>
<s>最符合期待的</s>
<time>909_00:27:06,892 --> 00:27:09,052</time>
<s>好多年前在纽约时报</s>
<time>910_00:27:09,412 --> 00:27:10,492</time>
<s>有个漫画我印象很深刻</s>
<time>911_00:27:10,852 --> 00:27:11,212</time>
<s>就是这样</s>
<time>912_00:27:11,572 --> 00:27:12,292</time>
<s>很简单的漫画</s>
<time>913_00:27:12,652 --> 00:27:14,092</time>
<s>在一个原始部落</s>
<time>914_00:27:15,892 --> 00:27:17,692</time>
<s>那些土著原住民</s>
<time>915_00:27:18,052 --> 00:27:19,852</time>
<s>都在那边其实都喝着可乐</s>
<time>916_00:27:20,212 --> 00:27:20,932</time>
<s>看着电视</s>
<time>917_00:27:21,292 --> 00:27:22,012</time>
<s>听着收音机</s>
<time>918_00:27:22,372 --> 00:27:24,172</time>
<s>然后第二张漫画就是</s>
<time>919_00:27:24,532 --> 00:27:27,052</time>
<s>有人用望远镜看到有条船来</s>
<time>920_00:27:27,412 --> 00:27:29,932</time>
<s>马上告诉他的同伴们</s>
<time>921_00:27:30,292 --> 00:27:32,812</time>
<s>美国人类学家来了赶快</s>
<time>922_00:27:33,172 --> 00:27:33,532</time>
<s>你要准备一下</s>
<time>923_00:27:34,612 --> 00:27:34,972</time>
<s>第三张漫画</s>
<time>924_00:27:35,332 --> 00:27:37,852</time>
<s>就是他们马上把电视机</s>
<time>925_00:27:38,212 --> 00:27:40,732</time>
<s>收音机可乐扫到床底</s>
<time>926_00:27:41,092 --> 00:27:42,172</time>
<s>然后把他们那个</s>
<time>927_00:27:42,532 --> 00:27:44,692</time>
<s>把脸就像你刚刚说的化妆</s>
<time>928_00:27:45,052 --> 00:27:46,132</time>
<s>画了油彩</s>
<time>929_00:27:46,492 --> 00:27:49,012</time>
<s>拿了盾牌出来</s>
<time>930_00:27:49,372 --> 00:27:51,892</time>
<s>跳给美国人类学家来看</s>
<time>931_00:27:52,252 --> 00:27:52,612</time>
<s>而且他们</s>
<time>932_00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:55,492</time>
<s>说回那个漫画</s>
<time>933_00:27:55,852 --> 00:27:56,572</time>
<s>说回现实的</s>
<time>934_00:27:56,932 --> 00:27:59,452</time>
<s>对那些地方的美学也不一样</s>
<time>935_00:27:59,812 --> 00:28:00,172</time>
<s>化妆</s>
<time>936_00:28:00,532 --> 00:28:02,332</time>
<s>我记得我曾经跟几个朋友</s>
<time>937_00:28:02,692 --> 00:28:04,852</time>
<s>去中国某个地方义教</s>
<time>938_00:28:05,212 --> 00:28:06,292</time>
<s>教了一阵子</s>
<time>939_00:28:06,652 --> 00:28:07,732</time>
<s>然后结束的时候</s>
<time>940_00:28:08,092 --> 00:28:09,172</time>
<s>当地的人很感恩</s>
<time>941_00:28:09,532 --> 00:28:12,052</time>
<s>举行一个晚餐来感谢我们</s>
<time>942_00:28:12,412 --> 00:28:13,132</time>
<s>那是一个晚宴</s>
<time>943_00:28:13,492 --> 00:28:14,572</time>
<s>他们当然是穿上</s>
<time>944_00:28:14,932 --> 00:28:16,732</time>
<s>大红大紫的袍</s>
<time>945_00:28:17,092 --> 00:28:17,452</time>
<s>然后化妆</s>
<time>946_00:28:17,812 --> 00:28:19,972</time>
<s>因为对他们来说这就是美</s>
<time>947_00:28:20,332 --> 00:28:21,052</time>
<s>他们那个村子</s>
<time>948_00:28:21,412 --> 00:28:21,772</time>
<s>在他们的眼里</s>
<time>949_00:28:22,132 --> 00:28:23,932</time>
<s>他们觉得北上广来的</s>
<time>950_00:28:24,292 --> 00:28:25,372</time>
<s>应该是（喜欢）这样</s>
<time>951_00:28:25,732 --> 00:28:28,972</time>
<s>就是我之前有一个朋友</s>
<time>952_00:28:29,332 --> 00:28:31,492</time>
<s>在贵州的西边</s>
<time>953_00:28:31,852 --> 00:28:33,292</time>
<s>威宁的上面就开化村</s>
<time>954_00:28:33,652 --> 00:28:34,732</time>
<s>一个小小的地方</s>
<time>955_00:28:35,092 --> 00:28:36,532</time>
<s>都是少数民族在山上</s>
<time>956_00:28:36,892 --> 00:28:37,612</time>
<s>每一个春节</s>
<time>957_00:28:37,972 --> 00:28:39,412</time>
<s>我就会去大概个月</s>
<time>958_00:28:39,772 --> 00:28:41,212</time>
<s>帮他们宰年猪什么这样</s>
<time>959_00:28:42,652 --> 00:28:44,092</time>
<s>然后我记得有一次</s>
<time>960_00:28:44,452 --> 00:28:46,972</time>
<s>我就是骑摩托车那时候</s>
<time>961_00:28:47,332 --> 00:28:49,852</time>
<s>应该是2010年</s>
<time>962_00:28:50,212 --> 00:28:53,812</time>
<s>从威宁到黔东南那块</s>
<time>963_00:28:54,172 --> 00:28:55,972</time>
<s>就是挨着广西也是我一个</s>
<time>964_00:28:56,332 --> 00:28:58,492</time>
<s>我认识的一个侗族的朋友</s>
<time>965_00:28:58,852 --> 00:28:59,932</time>
<s>然后在侗寨那个地方</s>
<time>966_00:29:00,292 --> 00:29:01,372</time>
<s>他们那没有路</s>
<time>967_00:29:01,732 --> 00:29:03,172</time>
<s>只有一个这么窄的土路</s>
<time>968_00:29:03,532 --> 00:29:04,972</time>
<s>就是骑摩托车上去</s>
<time>969_00:29:05,332 --> 00:29:07,132</time>
<s>然后去的时候他们穿的</s>
<time>970_00:29:07,492 --> 00:29:08,932</time>
<s>就是那种衣服</s>
<time>971_00:29:09,292 --> 00:29:10,012</time>
<s>他们是天天唱歌</s>
<time>972_00:29:10,372 --> 00:29:11,092</time>
<s>因为唱歌对他们来说</s>
<time>973_00:29:11,452 --> 00:29:12,172</time>
<s>是非常重要</s>
<time>974_00:29:12,532 --> 00:29:15,052</time>
<s>所有以前这些民族的</s>
<time>975_00:29:15,412 --> 00:29:16,852</time>
<s>历史和故事上的</s>
<time>976_00:29:17,212 --> 00:29:18,652</time>
<s>就是在他们的</s>
<time>977_00:29:19,012 --> 00:29:21,172</time>
<s>那个音乐里面传下来的</s>
<time>978_00:29:21,532 --> 00:29:22,972</time>
<s>然后他们吃的东西也</s>
<time>979_00:29:23,332 --> 00:29:24,412</time>
<s>对我们来说相对来说</s>
<time>980_00:29:24,772 --> 00:29:26,212</time>
<s>是比较传统的</s>
<time>981_00:29:26,572 --> 00:29:27,292</time>
<s>去的时候是对我一个</s>
<time>982_00:29:27,652 --> 00:29:29,092</time>
<s>非常非常深刻的印象</s>
<time>983_00:29:29,452 --> 00:29:30,892</time>
<s>白天唱歌晚上唱歌</s>
<time>984_00:29:31,252 --> 00:29:32,332</time>
<s>就是一直在唱歌</s>
<time>985_00:29:32,692 --> 00:29:33,772</time>
<s>然后他们做的吃的也是</s>
<time>986_00:29:34,132 --> 00:29:34,852</time>
<s>对一个厨师来说</s>
<time>987_00:29:35,212 --> 00:29:36,652</time>
<s>是非常有意义必的</s>
<time>988_00:29:37,012 --> 00:29:39,172</time>
<s>过了五年之后我回来</s>
<time>989_00:29:39,532 --> 00:29:41,692</time>
<s>已经铺那个水泥路</s>
<time>990_00:29:42,052 --> 00:29:43,492</time>
<s>上去就是非常方便</s>
<time>991_00:29:43,852 --> 00:29:44,572</time>
<s>但是那个时候我不认识</s>
<time>992_00:29:44,932 --> 00:29:46,732</time>
<s>因为都已经改变了</s>
<time>993_00:29:47,092 --> 00:29:48,892</time>
<s>去的时候我是刚好</s>
<time>994_00:29:49,252 --> 00:29:51,052</time>
<s>因为要回去这个地方</s>
<time>995_00:29:51,412 --> 00:29:52,492</time>
<s>录下来他们的歌</s>
<time>996_00:29:52,852 --> 00:29:54,652</time>
<s>我就买了在美国一个</s>
<time>997_00:29:55,012 --> 00:29:56,452</time>
<s>很高级的那个录音机</s>
<time>998_00:29:58,612 --> 00:29:59,332</time>
<s>到村子的时候我就问</s>
<time>999_00:29:59,692 --> 00:30:00,772</time>
<s>这个老太太在哪里</s>
<time>1000_00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:01,852</time>
<s>他说在那个地方</s>
<time>1001_00:30:02,212 --> 00:30:03,652</time>
<s>她的家已经变成一个小卖部</s>
<time>1002_00:30:05,092 --> 00:30:06,172</time>
<s>有各种各样的那个小零食</s>
<time>1003_00:30:06,532 --> 00:30:07,612</time>
<s>可乐这个东西</s>
<time>1004_00:30:07,972 --> 00:30:09,412</time>
<s>衣服已经改变了</s>
<time>1005_00:30:09,772 --> 00:30:10,492</time>
<s>不穿他们自己</s>
<time>1006_00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:11,932</time>
<s>手工织布的那个衣服</s>
<time>1007_00:30:12,292 --> 00:30:13,372</time>
<s>蜡染的衣服</s>
<time>1008_00:30:13,732 --> 00:30:15,532</time>
<s>然后那天晚上我就说</s>
<time>1009_00:30:15,892 --> 00:30:17,332</time>
<s>我带了这么一个东西</s>
<time>1010_00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:18,052</time>
<s>我可以录下来</s>
<time>1011_00:30:18,412 --> 00:30:19,852</time>
<s>她说不想唱歌</s>
<time>1012_00:30:20,212 --> 00:30:20,572</time>
<s>第二天</s>
<time>1013_00:30:20,932 --> 00:30:22,012</time>
<s>我就是在他们房子</s>
<time>1014_00:30:22,372 --> 00:30:23,452</time>
<s>就是原来住的那个房子睡觉</s>
<time>1015_00:30:23,812 --> 00:30:24,892</time>
<s>第二天早上</s>
<time>1016_00:30:25,252 --> 00:30:26,332</time>
<s>就是这个旅游团</s>
<time>1017_00:30:26,692 --> 00:30:28,852</time>
<s>有那个面包车一个一个来</s>
<time>1018_00:30:29,212 --> 00:30:29,572</time>
<s>孩子都准备好</s>
<time>1019_00:30:29,932 --> 00:30:32,452</time>
<s>穿他们的传统民族的衣服</s>
<time>1020_00:30:32,812 --> 00:30:33,172</time>
<s>过来唱歌</s>
<time>1021_00:30:33,532 --> 00:30:35,692</time>
<s>他们就在家家户户的家</s>
<time>1022_00:30:36,052 --> 00:30:36,772</time>
<s>他们准备点东西</s>
<time>1023_00:30:37,132 --> 00:30:38,932</time>
<s>吃个饭他们就参观一下</s>
<time>1024_00:30:39,292 --> 00:30:39,652</time>
<s>那个小寨子</s>
<time>1025_00:30:40,012 --> 00:30:40,372</time>
<s>然后就走了</s>
<time>1026_00:30:42,172 --> 00:30:43,612</time>
<s>当时我想到</s>
<time>1027_00:30:45,772 --> 00:30:47,932</time>
<s>一年以前的那个去宁夏</s>
<time>1028_00:30:48,292 --> 00:30:49,732</time>
<s>骑自行车的一个经验就是</s>
<time>1029_00:30:50,092 --> 00:30:52,972</time>
<s>我看一种鸟叫画眉</s>
<time>1030_00:30:53,332 --> 00:30:55,852</time>
<s>画眉就能唱歌很漂亮的</s>
<time>1031_00:30:56,212 --> 00:30:57,652</time>
<s>然后当时我看它在一个笼子</s>
<time>1032_00:30:58,012 --> 00:31:01,252</time>
<s>就是人有遛鸟的那个习惯</s>
<time>1033_00:31:01,612 --> 00:31:03,772</time>
<s>然后那个鸟就开始唱</s>
<time>1034_00:31:04,132 --> 00:31:04,492</time>
<s>我就录下来</s>
<time>1035_00:31:04,852 --> 00:31:05,932</time>
<s>用手机录下来</s>
<time>1036_00:31:06,292 --> 00:31:07,732</time>
<s>后来我再想就是</s>
<time>1037_00:31:08,092 --> 00:31:09,532</time>
<s>你越好你越美</s>
<time>1038_00:31:09,892 --> 00:31:11,332</time>
<s>我们就要把你藏起来</s>
<time>1039_00:31:11,692 --> 00:31:13,132</time>
<s>关起来在一个笼子</s>
<time>1040_00:31:13,492 --> 00:31:14,572</time>
<s>我也是人</s>
<time>1041_00:31:14,932 --> 00:31:15,292</time>
<s>我也想发展</s>
<time>1042_00:31:15,652 --> 00:31:17,092</time>
<s>我也想看电视剧</s>
<time>1043_00:31:17,452 --> 00:31:18,892</time>
<s>我也想吃这么多好吃的东西</s>
<time>1044_00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:19,972</time>
<s>对他这个比喻特别好</s>
<time>1045_00:31:21,412 --> 00:31:22,132</time>
<s>这就好比说</s>
<time>1046_00:31:22,492 --> 00:31:22,852</time>
<s>刚才咱们聊天</s>
<time>1047_00:31:23,212 --> 00:31:25,372</time>
<s>他是出生在德克萨斯对吧</s>
<time>1048_00:31:25,732 --> 00:31:27,532</time>
<s>那么如果我们去德克萨斯</s>
<time>1049_00:31:27,892 --> 00:31:29,692</time>
<s>我可能会问你的父亲会</s>
<time>1050_00:31:30,052 --> 00:31:31,492</time>
<s>牛仔裤</s>
<time>1051_00:31:31,852 --> 00:31:32,212</time>
<s>你穿了一个牛仔裤</s>
<time>1052_00:31:32,572 --> 00:31:34,012</time>
<s>看你的那个six shooter（左轮手枪）</s>
<time>1053_00:31:34,372 --> 00:31:35,092</time>
<s>你带我出去打一点</s>
<time>1054_00:31:35,452 --> 00:31:35,812</time>
<s>西部电影里面</s>
<time>1055_00:31:36,532 --> 00:31:37,972</time>
<s>那德克萨斯还是这样吗</s>
<time>1056_00:31:38,332 --> 00:31:39,412</time>
<s>其实有一些地方是这样</s>
<time>1057_00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:42,292</time>
<s>但是这个你看就是在中国</s>
<time>1058_00:31:42,652 --> 00:31:43,372</time>
<s>旅游景点发展</s>
<time>1059_00:31:43,732 --> 00:31:45,172</time>
<s>也是这么一个思想</s>
<time>1060_00:31:45,532 --> 00:31:46,612</time>
<s>就比如说很多外国人</s>
<time>1061_00:31:46,972 --> 00:31:49,132</time>
<s>也爱学功夫还是什么</s>
<time>1062_00:31:49,492 --> 00:31:50,572</time>
<s>他说我要去中国</s>
<time>1063_00:31:50,932 --> 00:31:52,732</time>
<s>然后到了上海的时候</s>
<time>1064_00:31:53,092 --> 00:31:55,612</time>
<s>你们那个衣服</s>
<time>1065_00:31:55,972 --> 00:31:57,412</time>
<s>不是有那种扣子吗</s>
<time>1066_00:31:57,772 --> 00:31:58,132</time>
<s>对襟</s>
<time>1067_00:31:58,492 --> 00:32:01,012</time>
<s>去哪里学那个武术呢</s>
<time>1068_00:32:01,372 --> 00:32:02,452</time>
<s>他说你去河南少林寺</s>
<time>1069_00:32:02,812 --> 00:32:03,532</time>
<s>你可能就看到了</s>
<time>1070_00:32:03,892 --> 00:32:04,612</time>
<s>这里没有</s>
<time>1071_00:32:04,972 --> 00:32:06,412</time>
<s>那你们那个炒饭里面</s>
<time>1072_00:32:06,772 --> 00:32:07,852</time>
<s>就是他认为</s>
<time>1073_00:32:08,212 --> 00:32:08,932</time>
<s>就是在他的脑子里</s>
<time>1074_00:32:09,292 --> 00:32:10,372</time>
<s>人就是这么定的</s>
<time>1075_00:32:10,732 --> 00:32:12,172</time>
<s>人应该长得是这样的</s>
<time>1076_00:32:12,892 --> 00:32:13,972</time>
<s>他们应该是怎么做</s>
<time>1077_00:32:14,332 --> 00:32:15,052</time>
<s>每一天的生活习惯</s>
<time>1078_00:32:15,412 --> 00:32:16,132</time>
<s>应该是怎样的</s>
<time>1079_00:32:16,492 --> 00:32:17,572</time>
<s>像德州人不是连睡裤</s>
<time>1080_00:32:17,932 --> 00:32:19,372</time>
<s>都是牛仔裤吗不是</s>
<time>1081_00:32:19,732 --> 00:32:21,532</time>
<s>你去那边去找吧你去问问</s>
<time>1082_00:32:21,892 --> 00:32:22,972</time>
<s>所以你看这老罗</s>
<time>1083_00:32:23,332 --> 00:32:25,132</time>
<s>他还是咏春高手呢你知道吗</s>
<time>1084_00:32:25,492 --> 00:32:25,852</time>
<s>看得出来</s>
<time>1085_00:32:26,212 --> 00:32:26,932</time>
<s>他当年到中国学咏春</s>
<time>1086_00:32:27,292 --> 00:32:28,012</time>
<s>但是家辉你觉不觉得</s>
<time>1087_00:32:28,372 --> 00:32:29,092</time>
<s>他刚才讲的</s>
<time>1088_00:32:29,452 --> 00:32:30,892</time>
<s>确实现在就是一个全球</s>
<time>1089_00:32:31,252 --> 00:32:31,972</time>
<s>联合国应该研究研究</s>
<time>1090_00:32:32,332 --> 00:32:33,052</time>
<s>咱们这个话题</s>
<time>1091_00:32:33,412 --> 00:32:34,852</time>
<s>咱这个节目真能上联合国</s>
<time>1092_00:32:35,212 --> 00:32:37,012</time>
<s>这是个联合国性质的问题</s>
<time>1093_00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:40,252</time>
<s>就是说也许到最后某种民族文化</s>
<time>1094_00:32:40,612 --> 00:32:41,693</time>
<s>就像这个画眉一样</s>
<time>1095_00:32:42,053 --> 00:32:43,493</time>
<s>如果你要让它存在</s>
<time>1096_00:32:43,853 --> 00:32:44,933</time>
<s>你就弄个笼子</s>
<time>1097_00:32:45,293 --> 00:32:47,093</time>
<s>让人们来观赏叫保护</s>
<time>1098_00:32:47,453 --> 00:32:49,613</time>
<s>可是对于笼中的鸟来说</s>
<time>1099_00:32:49,973 --> 00:32:51,053</time>
<s>我也想从三线城市</s>
<time>1100_00:32:51,413 --> 00:32:52,493</time>
<s>变成一线城市</s>
<time>1101_00:32:52,853 --> 00:32:53,213</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1102_00:32:53,573 --> 00:32:54,653</time>
<s>这个矛盾</s>
<time>1103_00:32:55,013 --> 00:32:56,453</time>
<s>联合国方针怎么解决</s>
<time>1104_00:32:56,813 --> 00:32:57,173</time>
<s>日常生活也是</s>
<time>1105_00:32:57,533 --> 00:32:58,253</time>
<s>像香港我记得</s>
<time>1106_00:32:58,613 --> 00:32:59,693</time>
<s>以前我参与过</s>
<time>1107_00:33:00,053 --> 00:33:02,573</time>
<s>要保护老区老房子</s>
<time>1108_00:33:02,933 --> 00:33:05,093</time>
<s>有些三层四层的</s>
<time>1109_00:33:05,453 --> 00:33:07,613</time>
<s>二次大战前的老房子</s>
<time>1110_00:33:07,973 --> 00:33:09,413</time>
<s>有一阵子政府说要拆</s>
<time>1111_00:33:09,773 --> 00:33:11,213</time>
<s>我们就很热血说不行</s>
<time>1112_00:33:11,573 --> 00:33:12,653</time>
<s>文化遗产要保护什么</s>
<time>1113_00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:14,453</time>
<s>要让而且要</s>
<time>1114_00:33:14,813 --> 00:33:15,893</time>
<s>不能把人家逼走</s>
<time>1115_00:33:16,253 --> 00:33:17,693</time>
<s>那些居民要住在那边</s>
<time>1116_00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:20,213</time>
<s>结果其中一个居民就跑来说</s>
<time>1117_00:33:20,573 --> 00:33:23,813</time>
<s>我也想住坐电梯的那个大楼</s>
<time>1118_00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:25,973</time>
<s>你干嘛一定要保护着我</s>
<time>1119_00:33:26,333 --> 00:33:27,773</time>
<s>逼我在每天走楼梯</s>
<time>1120_00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:28,853</time>
<s>走四层呢这样</s>
<time>1121_00:33:29,213 --> 00:33:30,653</time>
<s>一样的同一个道理</s>
<time>1122_00:33:31,013 --> 00:33:33,893</time>
<s>是不是说有些东西的消亡是自然的</s>
<time>1123_00:33:34,253 --> 00:33:36,053</time>
<s>早晚也会消亡</s>
<time>1124_00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:37,493</time>
<s>最后会变成一个</s>
<time>1125_00:33:37,853 --> 00:33:40,013</time>
<s>像博物馆一样的一个存在</s>
<time>1126_00:33:40,373 --> 00:33:41,453</time>
<s>其实博物馆是很有意思</s>
<time>1127_00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:42,533</time>
<s>但是你想住博物馆吗</s>
<time>1128_00:33:43,973 --> 00:33:45,053</time>
<s>真的其实我原来</s>
<time>1129_00:33:45,413 --> 00:33:45,773</time>
<s>那我得做成标本</s>
<time>1130_00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:46,493</time>
<s>我可以说实话</s>
<time>1131_00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:48,293</time>
<s>我原来也是有这么一个想法</s>
<time>1132_00:33:49,733 --> 00:33:51,533</time>
<s>原来我在北京念书的时候</s>
<time>1133_00:33:51,893 --> 00:33:53,333</time>
<s>我记得走了差不多半年</s>
<time>1134_00:33:53,693 --> 00:33:54,413</time>
<s>我一个校友</s>
<time>1135_00:33:54,773 --> 00:33:56,213</time>
<s>他就给我发一个邮件就说</s>
<time>1136_00:33:57,293 --> 00:33:58,373</time>
<s>最近怎么样</s>
<time>1137_00:33:58,733 --> 00:33:59,093</time>
<s>像这样的</s>
<time>1138_00:33:59,453 --> 00:34:00,173</time>
<s>你那个朋友做什么呢</s>
<time>1139_00:34:00,533 --> 00:34:01,613</time>
<s>然后我们的食堂饭</s>
<time>1140_00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:02,333</time>
<s>还是一样难吃</s>
<time>1141_00:34:02,693 --> 00:34:03,413</time>
<s>什么什么这样</s>
<time>1142_00:34:03,773 --> 00:34:04,493</time>
<s>然后他说对了</s>
<time>1143_00:34:04,853 --> 00:34:05,933</time>
<s>那个雍和宫那边</s>
<time>1144_00:34:06,293 --> 00:34:08,093</time>
<s>你以前特别喜欢穿的那个胡同</s>
<time>1145_00:34:08,453 --> 00:34:09,533</time>
<s>都被拆了</s>
<time>1146_00:34:09,893 --> 00:34:11,693</time>
<s>然后我很难过我就觉得</s>
<time>1147_00:34:12,053 --> 00:34:12,413</time>
<s>这么漂亮</s>
<time>1148_00:34:12,773 --> 00:34:14,213</time>
<s>因为确实中国人</s>
<time>1149_00:34:14,573 --> 00:34:15,293</time>
<s>不是觉得外国人</s>
<time>1150_00:34:15,653 --> 00:34:16,733</time>
<s>都喜欢去看胡同什么</s>
<time>1151_00:34:17,093 --> 00:34:18,173</time>
<s>就想住一个四合院吗</s>
<time>1152_00:34:18,533 --> 00:34:18,893</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1153_00:34:19,613 --> 00:34:20,693</time>
<s>因为你就想去体验</s>
<time>1154_00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:22,133</time>
<s>跟你本国家</s>
<time>1155_00:34:22,493 --> 00:34:24,293</time>
<s>你本文化当中没有的东西</s>
<time>1156_00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:25,013</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1157_00:34:25,373 --> 00:34:27,173</time>
<s>这是为什么我说实话</s>
<time>1158_00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:28,613</time>
<s>可能是很多人</s>
<time>1159_00:34:28,973 --> 00:34:29,693</time>
<s>不会喜欢我说这句话</s>
<time>1160_00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:31,853</time>
<s>但是我真的不理解</s>
<time>1161_00:34:32,213 --> 00:34:33,293</time>
<s>那么多外国人到中国来</s>
<time>1162_00:34:33,653 --> 00:34:35,093</time>
<s>然后就是要吃汉堡吃披萨</s>
<time>1163_00:34:35,453 --> 00:34:36,533</time>
<s>就说我不吃中餐</s>
<time>1164_00:34:36,893 --> 00:34:37,613</time>
<s>我不做这个</s>
<time>1165_00:34:37,973 --> 00:34:39,413</time>
<s>我不想融入这个文化</s>
<time>1166_00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:42,653</time>
<s>那你要不就留在你的国家对吗</s>
<time>1167_00:34:43,013 --> 00:34:43,373</time>
<s>不是有道理吗</s>
<time>1168_00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:44,453</time>
<s>你这个同样的</s>
<time>1169_00:34:44,813 --> 00:34:45,893</time>
<s>我跟你有同感的问题是</s>
<time>1170_00:34:46,253 --> 00:34:47,693</time>
<s>我不理解有些中国旅游团</s>
<time>1171_00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:49,133</time>
<s>为什么还要酒店</s>
<time>1172_00:34:49,493 --> 00:34:50,213</time>
<s>到美国还要去吃中餐</s>
<time>1173_00:34:50,573 --> 00:34:51,293</time>
<s>提供那个热水壶</s>
<time>1174_00:34:51,653 --> 00:34:52,733</time>
<s>要带着榨菜</s>
<time>1175_00:34:53,093 --> 00:34:53,813</time>
<s>要带着方便面</s>
<time>1176_00:34:54,173 --> 00:34:55,253</time>
<s>你为什么不去尝一尝</s>
<time>1177_00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:56,333</time>
<s>新鲜的食物</s>
<time>1178_00:34:56,693 --> 00:34:57,773</time>
<s>那这个你吃三天</s>
<time>1179_00:34:58,133 --> 00:34:59,933</time>
<s>我吃三天的这个西餐</s>
<time>1180_00:35:00,293 --> 00:35:01,373</time>
<s>我觉得我也受不了</s>
<time>1181_00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:02,453</time>
<s>我要吃越南河粉</s>
<time>1182_00:35:02,813 --> 00:35:03,533</time>
<s>你没有吃我做过的菜</s>
<time>1183_00:35:04,973 --> 00:35:05,693</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1184_00:35:06,053 --> 00:35:07,133</time>
<s>但是我觉得刚刚他说的</s>
<time>1185_00:35:07,493 --> 00:35:08,573</time>
<s>其实也是我一直</s>
<time>1186_00:35:08,933 --> 00:35:09,293</time>
<s>特别大的一个困扰</s>
<time>1187_00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:11,813</time>
<s>把人家当成一种景观式的东西</s>
<time>1188_00:35:12,173 --> 00:35:13,973</time>
<s>然后你自己回到城里</s>
<time>1189_00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:15,773</time>
<s>然后展示一下你跟他们的生活</s>
<time>1190_00:35:16,133 --> 00:35:16,493</time>
<s>又离开了</s>
<time>1191_00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:17,573</time>
<s>只是把他人的生活</s>
<time>1192_00:35:17,933 --> 00:35:19,013</time>
<s>当作是一种景观</s>
<time>1193_00:35:20,813 --> 00:35:23,693</time>
<s>这是一个特别特别大的一个悖论</s>
<time>1194_00:35:24,053 --> 00:35:25,133</time>
<s>包括我后来其实觉得</s>
<time>1195_00:35:25,493 --> 00:35:27,653</time>
<s>这是因为城市生活太</s>
<time>1196_00:35:28,013 --> 00:35:28,733</time>
<s>真的是太没意思</s>
<time>1197_00:35:29,093 --> 00:35:30,173</time>
<s>或者说太同质化了</s>
<time>1198_00:35:30,533 --> 00:35:31,613</time>
<s>就我听到无数的作家跟我说</s>
<time>1199_00:35:31,973 --> 00:35:34,133</time>
<s>说城市无故事你知道</s>
<time>1200_00:35:34,493 --> 00:35:35,213</time>
<s>就是因为觉得城市</s>
<time>1201_00:35:35,573 --> 00:35:35,933</time>
<s>是没有故事的</s>
<time>1202_00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:38,453</time>
<s>它只能记录人的生活某个片段</s>
<time>1203_00:35:38,813 --> 00:35:39,893</time>
<s>但如果你要找戏剧性的</s>
<time>1204_00:35:40,253 --> 00:35:42,413</time>
<s>永恒的有特色的东西</s>
<time>1205_00:35:42,773 --> 00:35:45,653</time>
<s>你就只能去这个县城乡村</s>
<time>1206_00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:46,373</time>
<s>少数民族</s>
<time>1207_00:35:46,733 --> 00:35:47,813</time>
<s>但是你去你又把别人</s>
<time>1208_00:35:48,173 --> 00:35:48,893</time>
<s>变成一种景观</s>
<time>1209_00:35:49,253 --> 00:35:50,693</time>
<s>并且希望别人永远这样</s>
<time>1210_00:35:51,053 --> 00:35:52,133</time>
<s>我觉得这是个永恒的矛盾</s>
<time>1211_00:35:52,853 --> 00:35:53,573</time>
<s>我也不知道该怎么解决</s>
<time>1212_00:35:53,933 --> 00:35:54,293</time>
<s>你比如说</s>
<time>1213_00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:56,093</time>
<s>所以我就那个开始解释了</s>
<time>1214_00:35:56,453 --> 00:35:58,253</time>
<s>这个就是罗朗一开头</s>
<time>1215_00:35:58,613 --> 00:35:59,693</time>
<s>其实你还是</s>
<time>1216_00:36:00,053 --> 00:36:01,853</time>
<s>没有融入当地社会</s>
<time>1217_00:36:02,573 --> 00:36:03,653</time>
<s>实际上在人家眼里</s>
<time>1218_00:36:04,013 --> 00:36:05,093</time>
<s>你还是个老外</s>
<time>1219_00:36:05,813 --> 00:36:07,253</time>
<s>所以你的乐趣也就在这儿</s>
<time>1220_00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:07,973</time>
<s>就像比如说</s>
<time>1221_00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:09,773</time>
<s>我也可以到欧洲的一个乡村</s>
<time>1222_00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:10,853</time>
<s>住一个月没有问题</s>
<time>1223_00:36:11,213 --> 00:36:11,573</time>
<s>但是一辈子呢</s>
<time>1224_00:36:13,013 --> 00:36:14,093</time>
<s>但是你要住一辈子呢</s>
<time>1225_00:36:14,453 --> 00:36:15,173</time>
<s>所以说我那个时候</s>
<time>1226_00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:16,613</time>
<s>我觉得我去</s>
<time>1227_00:36:16,973 --> 00:36:18,773</time>
<s>就是我2009年搬回来</s>
<time>1228_00:36:19,133 --> 00:36:20,573</time>
<s>中国的时候</s>
<time>1229_00:36:20,933 --> 00:36:21,293</time>
<s>去看这些同</s>
<time>1230_00:36:21,653 --> 00:36:22,373</time>
<s>我就是搬回北京</s>
<time>1231_00:36:23,813 --> 00:36:24,533</time>
<s>去看了这个拆了那个拆了</s>
<time>1232_00:36:24,893 --> 00:36:25,613</time>
<s>我一过去看了</s>
<time>1233_00:36:25,973 --> 00:36:27,413</time>
<s>就是那边人住的就是新房子</s>
<time>1234_00:36:30,293 --> 00:36:31,013</time>
<s>真的这样的</s>
<time>1235_00:36:31,373 --> 00:36:32,453</time>
<s>但是你北京</s>
<time>1236_00:36:32,813 --> 00:36:34,613</time>
<s>夏天八月份的时候</s>
<time>1237_00:36:34,973 --> 00:36:36,053</time>
<s>你去体验过公厕吗</s>
<time>1238_00:36:38,573 --> 00:36:40,013</time>
<s>他们想觉得就是</s>
<time>1239_00:36:40,373 --> 00:36:42,173</time>
<s>如果政府给你换一个高楼的</s>
<time>1240_00:36:43,253 --> 00:36:43,613</time>
<s>如果政府给你换一个高楼的</s>
<time>1241_00:36:43,973 --> 00:36:44,693</time>
<s>你这块地收起来</s>
<time>1242_00:36:45,053 --> 00:36:46,853</time>
<s>然后就给你新的家</s>
<time>1243_00:36:47,213 --> 00:36:47,933</time>
<s>谁不愿意</s>
<time>1244_00:36:48,293 --> 00:36:50,453</time>
<s>有暖气有自来水</s>
<time>1245_00:36:50,813 --> 00:36:51,533</time>
<s>有这个东西那个东西</s>
<time>1246_00:36:51,893 --> 00:36:53,333</time>
<s>我贵州的朋友原来去的时候</s>
<time>1247_00:36:53,693 --> 00:36:55,493</time>
<s>他们就是家家户户</s>
<time>1248_00:36:55,853 --> 00:36:56,573</time>
<s>都没有通电</s>
<time>1249_00:36:56,933 --> 00:36:59,453</time>
<s>每天早上我要去河边挑水</s>
<time>1250_00:36:59,813 --> 00:37:01,253</time>
<s>就是在威宁那一块儿</s>
<time>1251_00:37:01,613 --> 00:37:03,053</time>
<s>我觉得这个很有意思什么</s>
<time>1252_00:37:03,413 --> 00:37:05,933</time>
<s>他们也是一个小砖房</s>
<time>1253_00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:06,653</time>
<s>小小的就是</s>
<time>1254_00:37:07,013 --> 00:37:08,453</time>
<s>那个村子里有几个家庭</s>
<time>1255_00:37:08,813 --> 00:37:12,053</time>
<s>用的那个厕所对吗</s>
<time>1256_00:37:12,773 --> 00:37:13,493</time>
<s>没问题</s>
<time>1257_00:37:13,853 --> 00:37:14,573</time>
<s>但是如果你吃的什么</s>
<time>1258_00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:16,013</time>
<s>肚子不舒服呢</s>
<time>1259_00:37:16,373 --> 00:37:16,733</time>
<s>你生病了呢</s>
<time>1260_00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:17,453</time>
<s>你发烧了呢</s>
<time>1261_00:37:17,813 --> 00:37:18,173</time>
<s>你觉得这个</s>
<time>1262_00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:19,973</time>
<s>一直用这个是方便吗</s>
<time>1263_00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:21,053</time>
<s>所以这个不对</s>
<time>1264_00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:22,133</time>
<s>这是为什么人觉得</s>
<time>1265_00:37:22,493 --> 00:37:23,213</time>
<s>你是一个富裕国家</s>
<time>1266_00:37:23,573 --> 00:37:25,733</time>
<s>为什么你没有坐飞机要过来</s>
<time>1267_00:37:26,093 --> 00:37:28,613</time>
<s>我坐飞机从北京飞到西安</s>
<time>1268_00:37:30,053 --> 00:37:31,133</time>
<s>那中间呢</s>
<time>1269_00:37:31,493 --> 00:37:32,213</time>
<s>那么快</s>
<time>1270_00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:34,013</time>
<s>几个小时就可以</s>
<time>1271_00:37:34,373 --> 00:37:35,813</time>
<s>你一切你都错过</s>
<time>1272_00:37:36,173 --> 00:37:36,893</time>
<s>如果我要去旅游</s>
<time>1273_00:37:37,253 --> 00:37:38,333</time>
<s>我要真正地了解</s>
<time>1274_00:37:38,693 --> 00:37:39,773</time>
<s>这些人是怎么过日子</s>
<time>1275_00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:41,213</time>
<s>这些人是怎么生存</s>
<time>1276_00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:43,013</time>
<s>这些人的每一天的</s>
<time>1277_00:37:43,373 --> 00:37:44,453</time>
<s>那个</s>
<time>1278_00:37:44,813 --> 00:37:46,253</time>
<s>生活习惯是什么</s>
<time>1279_00:37:46,613 --> 00:37:47,693</time>
<s>他们怎公生活</s>
<time>1280_00:37:48,053 --> 00:37:49,493</time>
<s>这个对我来说才算是旅游</s>
<time>1281_00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:50,573</time>
<s>而且是为什么</s>
<time>1282_00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:51,653</time>
<s>基本上所有的朋友</s>
<time>1283_00:37:52,013 --> 00:37:53,093</time>
<s>都不愿意跟我一起去旅游</s>
<time>1284_00:37:53,453 --> 00:37:54,173</time>
<s>我说要去旅游</s>
<time>1285_00:37:54,533 --> 00:37:54,893</time>
<s>就是要去享个月</s>
<time>1286_00:37:55,253 --> 00:37:57,413</time>
<s>不是我去巴厘岛一个星期</s>
<time>1287_00:37:57,773 --> 00:37:58,493</time>
<s>还是我去日本五天</s>
<time>1288_00:37:58,853 --> 00:37:59,933</time>
<s>对我来说这个没意义</s>
<time>1289_00:38:00,293 --> 00:38:00,653</time>
<s>我不会去</s>
<time>1290_00:38:01,013 --> 00:38:02,453</time>
<s>观光</s>
<time>1291_00:38:02,813 --> 00:38:04,613</time>
<s>对他确实就能体验到</s>
<time>1292_00:38:04,973 --> 00:38:07,493</time>
<s>你比如说我是觉得好多</s>
<time>1293_00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:08,573</time>
<s>你想不到的</s>
<time>1294_00:38:08,933 --> 00:38:10,733</time>
<s>比方说我去过那个秦岭</s>
<time>1295_00:38:11,093 --> 00:38:11,813</time>
<s>他们带我去</s>
<time>1296_00:38:12,173 --> 00:38:13,973</time>
<s>秦岭的一个大山里</s>
<time>1297_00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:15,413</time>
<s>有这么一个县城</s>
<time>1298_00:38:15,773 --> 00:38:16,133</time>
<s>陕南那边的</s>
