<time>1285_00:42:37,126 --> 00:42:38,926</time>
<s>能得到足够多的奖赏吗</s>
<time>1286_00:42:39,646 --> 00:42:41,806</time>
<s>我觉得是有两个体系</s>
<time>1287_00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:43,606</time>
<s>一个体系是</s>
<time>1288_00:42:43,966 --> 00:42:45,046</time>
<s>就是经济体系</s>
<time>1289_00:42:45,406 --> 00:42:46,846</time>
<s>经济的衡量的标准</s>
<time>1290_00:42:47,206 --> 00:42:48,286</time>
<s>还有一个是价值体系</s>
<time>1291_00:42:48,646 --> 00:42:50,086</time>
<s>就是它颁奖评奖</s>
<time>1292_00:42:50,446 --> 00:42:52,606</time>
<s>和整个的长线的收入</s>
<time>1293_00:42:52,966 --> 00:42:53,686</time>
<s>它好的文艺片</s>
<time>1294_00:42:54,046 --> 00:42:55,126</time>
<s>它是一个长期的收入</s>
<time>1295_00:42:55,486 --> 00:42:56,566</time>
<s>不是靠一次两次</s>
<time>1296_00:42:56,926 --> 00:42:58,726</time>
<s>一个月内什么回款</s>
<time>1297_00:42:59,086 --> 00:43:01,246</time>
<s>咱们国家有一个问题是</s>
<time>1298_00:43:01,606 --> 00:43:02,326</time>
<s>比如说小鲜肉的问题</s>
<time>1299_00:43:03,766 --> 00:43:04,486</time>
<s>小鲜肉的问题</s>
<time>1300_00:43:04,846 --> 00:43:09,526</time>
<s>我觉得他有他存在的空间吧</s>
<time>1301_00:43:09,886 --> 00:43:13,126</time>
<s>你有人喜欢愿意为他花钱可以</s>
<time>1302_00:43:13,486 --> 00:43:14,926</time>
<s>但是咱们主流的</s>
<time>1303_00:43:15,286 --> 00:43:16,366</time>
<s>你比如说评奖</s>
<time>1304_00:43:16,726 --> 00:43:18,166</time>
<s>评奖演员的奖励</s>
<time>1305_00:43:18,526 --> 00:43:20,686</time>
<s>你就要看看他有没有演技是吧</s>
<time>1306_00:43:21,046 --> 00:43:22,486</time>
<s>前两天我在参加那个演员的</s>
<time>1307_00:43:22,846 --> 00:43:24,646</time>
<s>一个中国好演员的评奖的问题</s>
<time>1308_00:43:25,006 --> 00:43:27,166</time>
<s>我说这个年轻组的男演员的</s>
<time>1309_00:43:27,526 --> 00:43:29,326</time>
<s>这个候选名单里</s>
<time>1310_00:43:29,686 --> 00:43:32,206</time>
<s>我说第一我认为很多不是演员</s>
<time>1311_00:43:32,566 --> 00:43:34,366</time>
<s>像美国的演员</s>
<time>1312_00:43:34,726 --> 00:43:36,526</time>
<s>你像迪卡普里奥</s>
<time>1313_00:43:36,886 --> 00:43:37,606</time>
<s>小鲜肉的时候</s>
<time>1314_00:43:39,406 --> 00:43:40,486</time>
<s>不给他奖</s>
<time>1315_00:43:40,846 --> 00:43:41,926</time>
<s>有的戏演得还不错</s>
<time>1316_00:43:42,286 --> 00:43:43,006</time>
<s>就不给他奖</s>
<time>1317_00:43:43,366 --> 00:43:44,446</time>
<s>直到《荒野猎人》</s>
<time>1318_00:43:44,806 --> 00:43:46,606</time>
<s>弄出个大胡子</s>
<time>1319_00:43:46,966 --> 00:43:48,046</time>
<s>都被母熊给强奸了</s>
<time>1320_00:43:48,406 --> 00:43:48,766</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1321_00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:49,486</time>
<s>给了</s>
<time>1322_00:43:51,646 --> 00:43:53,086</time>
<s>它的主流的这帮</s>
<time>1323_00:43:54,526 --> 00:43:57,406</time>
<s>掌握着话语权的人</s>
<time>1324_00:43:57,766 --> 00:43:59,926</time>
<s>牢牢地把握着它的价值体系</s>
<time>1325_00:44:01,726 --> 00:44:04,246</time>
<s>就是年轻演员你要往哪个方向奔</s>
<time>1326_00:44:04,606 --> 00:44:07,126</time>
<s>按着小李子这个方向奔</s>
<time>1327_00:44:07,486 --> 00:44:10,006</time>
<s>就是你主流拥有话语权的人</s>
<time>1328_00:44:10,366 --> 00:44:11,806</time>
<s>要去引导的</s>
<time>1329_00:44:12,166 --> 00:44:13,246</time>
<s>就是有些小鲜肉</s>
<time>1330_00:44:13,606 --> 00:44:14,686</time>
<s>我觉得他又挣那么多钱</s>
<time>1331_00:44:15,046 --> 00:44:16,486</time>
<s>粉丝又多又不会演戏</s>
<time>1332_00:44:16,846 --> 00:44:17,566</time>
<s>这都没关系</s>
<time>1333_00:44:17,926 --> 00:44:20,086</time>
<s>但是你再给他一个最佳表演奖</s>
<time>1334_00:44:20,446 --> 00:44:21,166</time>
<s>他不会表演</s>
<time>1335_00:44:22,606 --> 00:44:23,326</time>
<s>这就是个导向问题了</s>
<time>1336_00:44:23,686 --> 00:44:24,406</time>
<s>这就是你的导向</s>
<time>1337_00:44:24,766 --> 00:44:25,846</time>
<s>这个我特别同意</s>
<time>1338_00:44:26,206 --> 00:44:26,926</time>
<s>就是如果说</s>
<time>1339_00:44:27,286 --> 00:44:29,446</time>
<s>他只是因为粉丝多拿了最佳表演奖</s>
<time>1340_00:44:29,806 --> 00:44:30,526</time>
<s>那我觉得这个就</s>
<time>1341_00:44:30,886 --> 00:44:32,326</time>
<s>他们就颁奖仪式需要</s>
<time>1342_00:44:32,686 --> 00:44:34,846</time>
<s>有那个有影响力的人来领奖</s>
<time>1343_00:44:35,206 --> 00:44:37,006</time>
<s>现在评奖已经就是说</s>
<time>1344_00:44:37,366 --> 00:44:38,086</time>
<s>谁的粉丝最多</s>
<time>1345_00:44:38,446 --> 00:44:40,246</time>
<s>谁就占便宜谁就来呗</s>
<time>1346_00:44:40,606 --> 00:44:40,966</time>
<s>而且你知道</s>
<time>1347_00:44:41,326 --> 00:44:42,406</time>
<s>就是这个当代艺术当中</s>
<time>1348_00:44:42,766 --> 00:44:43,486</time>
<s>还有一个问题</s>
<time>1349_00:44:43,846 --> 00:44:45,646</time>
<s>就是那个第一个</s>
<time>1350_00:44:46,006 --> 00:44:47,446</time>
<s>你比如说杜尚的那个小便池</s>
<time>1351_00:44:47,806 --> 00:44:48,886</time>
<s>它是一个非常有名的</s>
<time>1352_00:44:49,246 --> 00:44:51,046</time>
<s>可是这个窦文涛的小便池</s>
<time>1353_00:44:51,406 --> 00:44:52,846</time>
<s>你就有点恶心了对吧</s>
<time>1354_00:44:53,206 --> 00:44:55,006</time>
<s>就是所以说像我给你提及</s>
<time>1355_00:44:55,366 --> 00:44:57,526</time>
<s>我把这个例子转移到影视剧上来说</s>
<time>1356_00:44:57,886 --> 00:44:58,966</time>
<s>你比如说周星驰</s>
<time>1357_00:44:59,326 --> 00:45:01,486</time>
<s>好周星驰对中国的这个喜剧</s>
<time>1358_00:45:01,846 --> 00:45:02,566</time>
<s>有很大影响</s>
<time>1359_00:45:02,926 --> 00:45:03,646</time>
<s>我认为包括对烂片</s>
<time>1360_00:45:04,006 --> 00:45:04,726</time>
<s>都有很大影响</s>
<time>1361_00:45:05,086 --> 00:45:07,606</time>
<s>那从他当年这么横空出世</s>
<time>1362_00:45:07,966 --> 00:45:09,406</time>
<s>你怎么评价他带来的影响呢</s>
<time>1363_00:45:09,766 --> 00:45:11,926</time>
<s>他可以颠覆你们所传统的认为的</s>
<time>1364_00:45:12,286 --> 00:45:13,726</time>
<s>那些个好的</s>
<time>1365_00:45:14,086 --> 00:45:15,166</time>
<s>当然他是典型的一个</s>
<time>1366_00:45:15,526 --> 00:45:17,326</time>
<s>后现代文化的一个代表</s>
<time>1367_00:45:17,686 --> 00:45:19,846</time>
<s>后现代文化就是它颠覆结构</s>
<time>1368_00:45:20,206 --> 00:45:22,006</time>
<s>就是把原来中心人物</s>
<time>1369_00:45:22,366 --> 00:45:22,726</time>
<s>都给解构掉了</s>
<time>1370_00:45:23,086 --> 00:45:24,166</time>
<s>崇高也解构掉</s>
<time>1371_00:45:24,526 --> 00:45:25,246</time>
<s>把原来的边缘人物</s>
<time>1372_00:45:25,606 --> 00:45:26,686</time>
<s>变成中心人物</s>
<time>1373_00:45:27,046 --> 00:45:27,766</time>
<s>就是比如说拍</s>
<time>1374_00:45:29,566 --> 00:45:30,646</time>
<s>有一个我经常举的那个例子</s>
<time>1375_00:45:31,006 --> 00:45:32,446</time>
<s>《春光灿烂猪八戒》</s>
<time>1376_00:45:32,806 --> 00:45:33,886</time>
<s>猪八戒变成男一号</s>
<time>1377_00:45:34,246 --> 00:45:35,326</time>
<s>孙悟空是配角</s>
<time>1378_00:45:35,686 --> 00:45:37,126</time>
<s>这就是后现代文化的</s>
<time>1379_00:45:37,486 --> 00:45:38,566</time>
<s>一个重要的一个特征</s>
<time>1380_00:45:38,926 --> 00:45:41,086</time>
<s>再一个它一定是商业化的</s>
<time>1381_00:45:41,446 --> 00:45:42,166</time>
<s>它跟商业</s>
<time>1382_00:45:42,526 --> 00:45:44,326</time>
<s>这个跟以前的</s>
<time>1383_00:45:44,686 --> 00:45:45,766</time>
<s>就是现代主义不同</s>
<time>1384_00:45:46,126 --> 00:45:47,566</time>
<s>现代主义是反商业的</s>
<time>1385_00:45:47,926 --> 00:45:50,446</time>
<s>后现代主义是跟商业高度结合的</s>
<time>1386_00:45:50,806 --> 00:45:52,606</time>
<s>那么这周星驰是典型地符合</s>
<time>1387_00:45:52,966 --> 00:45:54,406</time>
<s>后现代文化的特征的</s>
<time>1388_00:45:54,766 --> 00:45:56,926</time>
<s>那跟你说的这个烂片是什么关系呢</s>
<time>1389_00:45:57,286 --> 00:45:57,646</time>
<s>这俩概念</s>
<time>1390_00:45:58,006 --> 00:45:59,446</time>
<s>它是了不起的</s>
<time>1391_00:45:59,806 --> 00:46:02,326</time>
<s>后现代文化的代表的作品</s>
<time>1392_00:46:02,686 --> 00:46:06,286</time>
<s>他在艺术上其实是水平很高的</s>
<time>1393_00:46:06,646 --> 00:46:08,806</time>
<s>包括他的表演艺术上的水平很高</s>
<time>1394_00:46:09,166 --> 00:46:10,246</time>
<s>其实我们看</s>
<time>1395_00:46:10,606 --> 00:46:13,126</time>
<s>你比如说看这个唐伯虎</s>
<time>1396_00:46:13,486 --> 00:46:17,086</time>
<s>他以及他周边所有人的表演体系</s>
<time>1397_00:46:17,446 --> 00:46:18,166</time>
<s>它是一个完整的</s>
<time>1398_00:46:18,526 --> 00:46:20,686</time>
<s>除了巩俐没有融进去以外</s>
<time>1399_00:46:21,046 --> 00:46:22,126</time>
<s>巩俐说这是什么</s>
<time>1400_00:46:22,486 --> 00:46:23,206</time>
<s>这是在乱演</s>
<time>1401_00:46:23,566 --> 00:46:27,166</time>
<s>但人家是有一个很高的假定性</s>
<time>1402_00:46:27,526 --> 00:46:28,606</time>
<s>咱们国内的很多戏</s>
<time>1403_00:46:28,966 --> 00:46:29,686</time>
<s>说我要拍喜剧</s>
<time>1404_00:46:30,046 --> 00:46:31,126</time>
<s>周星驰就模仿</s>
<time>1405_00:46:31,486 --> 00:46:32,566</time>
<s>你一模仿就觉得特恶心</s>
<time>1406_00:46:34,006 --> 00:46:35,086</time>
<s>对呀我就看了相当一部分</s>
<time>1407_00:46:35,446 --> 00:46:37,246</time>
<s>这个烂片烂剧</s>
<time>1408_00:46:37,606 --> 00:46:39,046</time>
<s>我觉得都是从周星驰那儿学来的</s>
<time>1409_00:46:39,406 --> 00:46:41,206</time>
<s>因为周星驰是个大师</s>
<time>1410_00:46:41,566 --> 00:46:43,366</time>
<s>他那样演看上去很容易</s>
<time>1411_00:46:43,726 --> 00:46:44,086</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1412_00:46:44,446 --> 00:46:45,166</time>
<s>但其实很难</s>
<time>1413_00:46:45,526 --> 00:46:47,326</time>
<s>但我记得刚开始周星驰出来的时候</s>
<time>1414_00:46:47,686 --> 00:46:48,766</time>
<s>我的父母辈都在骂</s>
<time>1415_00:46:49,846 --> 00:46:51,646</time>
<s>说那是大烂片什么鬼</s>
<time>1416_00:46:52,006 --> 00:46:52,366</time>
<s>什么乱七八糟</s>
<time>1417_00:46:52,726 --> 00:46:53,806</time>
<s>怎么无厘头</s>
<time>1418_00:46:54,166 --> 00:46:54,886</time>
<s>这是在说什么</s>
<time>1419_00:46:55,246 --> 00:46:55,966</time>
<s>我记得刚开始的时候</s>
<time>1420_00:46:56,326 --> 00:46:56,686</time>
<s>你这么一提醒我</s>
<time>1421_00:46:57,046 --> 00:46:57,766</time>
<s>我好像有点印象</s>
<time>1422_00:46:58,126 --> 00:46:59,566</time>
<s>你说的这个我还真的觉得</s>
<time>1423_00:46:59,926 --> 00:47:00,646</time>
<s>你要说父母辈</s>
<time>1424_00:47:01,006 --> 00:47:02,806</time>
<s>你比如说我春节一回家</s>
<time>1425_00:47:03,166 --> 00:47:04,606</time>
<s>我就陪着父母看电视</s>
<time>1426_00:47:04,966 --> 00:47:06,406</time>
<s>我的父母就是锁定</s>
<time>1427_00:47:06,766 --> 00:47:07,846</time>
<s>某一个那个频道</s>
<time>1428_00:47:08,206 --> 00:47:09,286</time>
<s>比如说综艺节目</s>
<time>1429_00:47:09,646 --> 00:47:10,726</time>
<s>从早到晚你知道吗</s>
<time>1430_00:47:11,086 --> 00:47:12,166</time>
<s>我要孝顺父母</s>
<time>1431_00:47:12,526 --> 00:47:14,686</time>
<s>但是你陪着看十几个小时以后</s>
<time>1432_00:47:15,046 --> 00:47:17,206</time>
<s>我天呢我真的饺子也吃吐了</s>
<time>1433_00:47:17,566 --> 00:47:17,926</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>1434_00:47:18,286 --> 00:47:21,526</time>
<s>但是我父母就是爱看</s>
<time>1435_00:47:21,886 --> 00:47:23,686</time>
<s>他看得很好看</s>
<time>1436_00:47:24,046 --> 00:47:27,286</time>
<s>好我给他看看我爱看的</s>
<time>1437_00:47:27,646 --> 00:47:29,086</time>
<s>咱比如说咱给他看美剧</s>
<time>1438_00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:31,246</time>
<s>我爸爸妈妈根本看不懂</s>
<time>1439_00:47:31,606 --> 00:47:33,406</time>
<s>他已经失去了理解这个</s>
<time>1440_00:47:33,766 --> 00:47:36,286</time>
<s>就所以说那个马爷你刚才讲的</s>
<time>1441_00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:37,726</time>
<s>就是是不是一个民族</s>
<time>1442_00:47:38,086 --> 00:47:39,166</time>
<s>确实存在着一个</s>
<time>1443_00:47:39,526 --> 00:47:40,966</time>
<s>智识水平的一个问题</s>
<time>1444_00:47:41,326 --> 00:47:42,406</time>
<s>你比如说上次来咱们</s>
<time>1445_00:47:42,766 --> 00:47:43,486</time>
<s>那个徐皓峰老师</s>
<time>1446_00:47:43,846 --> 00:47:45,646</time>
<s>他现在是北京电影学院编剧</s>
<time>1447_00:47:46,006 --> 00:47:47,086</time>
<s>他现在也很困惑</s>
<time>1448_00:47:47,446 --> 00:47:48,526</time>
<s>你比如他就说</s>
<time>1449_00:47:48,886 --> 00:47:50,686</time>
<s>他说我们老师教给我们</s>
<time>1450_00:47:51,046 --> 00:47:53,566</time>
<s>这个编剧的水平话要反着说</s>
<time>1451_00:47:53,926 --> 00:47:55,726</time>
<s>比方说戏里边要说</s>
<time>1452_00:47:56,086 --> 00:47:57,166</time>
<s>李艾我爱你</s>
<time>1453_00:47:57,526 --> 00:47:58,966</time>
<s>那恰恰这个台词应该说</s>
<time>1454_00:47:59,326 --> 00:48:00,766</time>
<s>我不爱你对吧</s>
<time>1455_00:48:01,126 --> 00:48:01,846</time>
<s>这个</s>
<time>1456_00:48:02,206 --> 00:48:04,366</time>
<s>他说可是现在我们这本子一拿出去</s>
<time>1457_00:48:04,726 --> 00:48:06,166</time>
<s>那制片就是说直白点</s>
<time>1458_00:48:06,526 --> 00:48:08,686</time>
<s>你爱他就爱他嘛对吧</s>
<time>1459_00:48:09,046 --> 00:48:09,766</time>
<s>他的意思就是说</s>
<time>1460_00:48:10,126 --> 00:48:11,926</time>
<s>全是这样直白的</s>
<time>1461_00:48:12,286 --> 00:48:13,726</time>
<s>一听就懂的是吧</s>
<time>1462_00:48:14,086 --> 00:48:15,886</time>
<s>那最后这个就是说他的意思</s>
<time>1463_00:48:16,246 --> 00:48:16,966</time>
<s>大家都挺忧国忧民的</s>
<time>1464_00:48:17,326 --> 00:48:18,766</time>
<s>就是说这个民族的观众</s>
<time>1465_00:48:19,126 --> 00:48:22,366</time>
<s>都变成习惯于理解最简单的</s>
<time>1466_00:48:22,726 --> 00:48:23,806</time>
<s>稍微一点幽默</s>
<time>1467_00:48:24,166 --> 00:48:25,246</time>
<s>稍微一点拐弯</s>
<time>1468_00:48:25,606 --> 00:48:27,046</time>
<s>他都不愿意动这个脑子</s>
<time>1469_00:48:27,406 --> 00:48:29,926</time>
<s>增强文学性相当于自杀</s>
<time>1470_00:48:31,726 --> 00:48:33,166</time>
<s>含蓄之美没了</s>
<time>1471_00:48:33,526 --> 00:48:34,606</time>
<s>没了你含蓄啥呀</s>
<time>1472_00:48:34,966 --> 00:48:36,766</time>
<s>就我刚刚说的包饺子喂猪的问题</s>
<time>1473_00:48:37,126 --> 00:48:38,206</time>
<s>我觉得我们国家呢</s>
<time>1474_00:48:38,566 --> 00:48:39,646</time>
<s>其实在文化上</s>
<time>1475_00:48:40,006 --> 00:48:41,086</time>
<s>其实可以去参照一下</s>
<time>1476_00:48:41,446 --> 00:48:42,886</time>
<s>日本跟美国是怎么回事</s>
<time>1477_00:48:43,246 --> 00:48:47,206</time>
<s>日本是不断地有这个边缘文化出来</s>
<time>1478_00:48:47,566 --> 00:48:50,806</time>
<s>就是它主流文化</s>
<time>1479_00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:54,766</time>
<s>就向边缘文化靠都去学它</s>
<time>1480_00:48:55,126 --> 00:48:57,646</time>
<s>然后日本的电影就越来越不行</s>
<time>1481_00:48:58,006 --> 00:48:59,086</time>
<s>它全是边缘</s>
<time>1482_00:48:59,446 --> 00:49:00,526</time>
<s>但是美国有一个特点是什么呢</s>
<time>1483_00:49:00,886 --> 00:49:02,686</time>
<s>它好莱坞八大公司也好什么的</s>
<time>1484_00:49:03,046 --> 00:49:05,566</time>
<s>它一直在关注边缘文化的发展</s>
<time>1485_00:49:07,006 --> 00:49:08,446</time>
<s>它在看</s>
<time>1486_00:49:08,806 --> 00:49:12,406</time>
<s>好的独立制作的导演</s>
<time>1487_00:49:12,766 --> 00:49:13,846</time>
<s>跟主流的完全不一样</s>
<time>1488_00:49:14,206 --> 00:49:16,366</time>
<s>我把它吸收到主流来</s>
<time>1489_00:49:16,726 --> 00:49:19,606</time>
<s>主流就越来越发展壮大</s>
<time>1490_00:49:19,966 --> 00:49:21,766</time>
<s>所以它越来越强</s>
<time>1491_00:49:22,126 --> 00:49:24,646</time>
<s>我不怕你边缘的颠覆的</s>
<time>1492_00:49:25,006 --> 00:49:26,446</time>
<s>我给你收编了</s>
<time>1493_00:49:26,806 --> 00:49:29,326</time>
<s>日本是你这个有意思</s>
<time>1494_00:49:29,686 --> 00:49:30,406</time>
<s>是革命性的</s>
<time>1495_00:49:30,766 --> 00:49:32,206</time>
<s>我向你投降</s>
<time>1496_00:49:32,566 --> 00:49:34,006</time>
<s>所以日本这个道路</s>
<time>1497_00:49:34,366 --> 00:49:35,806</time>
<s>其实是危险的</s>
<time>1498_00:49:36,166 --> 00:49:37,246</time>
<s>不好的不对的</s>
<time>1499_00:49:37,606 --> 00:49:39,406</time>
<s>好莱坞这个是对的</s>
<time>1500_00:49:39,766 --> 00:49:40,846</time>
<s>所以我们国家现在面对的</s>
<time>1501_00:49:41,206 --> 00:49:43,006</time>
<s>一些新的这个文化转型</s>
<time>1502_00:49:43,366 --> 00:49:44,806</time>
<s>因为我们说青年文化抬头</s>
<time>1503_00:49:46,246 --> 00:49:48,406</time>
<s>边缘文化有可能成为中心文化</s>
<time>1504_00:49:48,766 --> 00:49:49,126</time>
<s>这种情况下</s>
<time>1505_00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:52,006</time>
<s>你中心文化跟它的关系</s>
<time>1506_00:49:52,366 --> 00:49:53,806</time>
<s>主流文化跟它的关系要处理好</s>
<time>1507_00:49:55,246 --> 00:49:55,966</time>
<s>你不能像日本那样</s>
<time>1508_00:49:57,046 --> 00:49:57,766</time>
<s>就是我现在慢慢明白了</s>
<time>1509_00:49:58,126 --> 00:50:00,646</time>
<s>就是说过去咱们有的年代</s>
<time>1510_00:50:01,006 --> 00:50:01,366</time>
<s>其实中国人民要不说</s>
<time>1511_00:50:01,726 --> 00:50:03,526</time>
<s>这胃口也挺能吃硬货的</s>
<time>1512_00:50:03,886 --> 00:50:05,326</time>
<s>就是说好多时候</s>
<time>1513_00:50:05,686 --> 00:50:08,566</time>
<s>它在西方是小片种的艺术片</s>
<time>1514_00:50:08,926 --> 00:50:11,806</time>
<s>比如说探讨一些畸恋乱伦</s>
<time>1515_00:50:12,166 --> 00:50:12,526</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>1516_00:50:12,886 --> 00:50:16,126</time>
<s>但是咱们包装宣传成主流大片</s>
<time>1517_00:50:16,486 --> 00:50:16,846</time>
<s>这个对它</s>
<time>1518_00:50:17,206 --> 00:50:19,366</time>
<s>就是对一个老百姓的思想</s>
<time>1519_00:50:19,726 --> 00:50:21,526</time>
<s>有时候就形成太大的震荡</s>
<time>1520_00:50:21,886 --> 00:50:23,326</time>
<s>你比如说我发现美国好莱坞这种</s>
<time>1521_00:50:23,686 --> 00:50:25,126</time>
<s>它基本上还是主流价值观</s>
<time>1522_00:50:25,486 --> 00:50:26,926</time>
<s>比如说这人热爱国家</s>
<time>1523_00:50:27,286 --> 00:50:28,726</time>
<s>父慈子孝吧对吧</s>
<time>1524_00:50:29,086 --> 00:50:32,326</time>
<s>爱母亲家庭要稳定</s>
<time>1525_00:50:32,686 --> 00:50:33,406</time>
<s>就是说这些东西</s>
<time>1526_00:50:33,766 --> 00:50:36,286</time>
<s>也许对于某些个人来说</s>
<time>1527_00:50:36,646 --> 00:50:38,806</time>
<s>他觉得人生可以有完全不同的选择</s>
<time>1528_00:50:39,166 --> 00:50:41,686</time>
<s>但是它好像作为一个国家的文化工业</s>
<time>1529_00:50:42,046 --> 00:50:43,126</time>
<s>它的确就考虑到</s>
<time>1530_00:50:43,486 --> 00:50:46,006</time>
<s>就是说这个不同文化水平的大多数人</s>
<time>1531_00:50:46,366 --> 00:50:48,526</time>
<s>他们要是整天看这个</s>
<time>1532_00:50:48,886 --> 00:50:50,686</time>
<s>就要把人思想搞乱</s>
<time>1533_00:50:51,046 --> 00:50:52,126</time>
<s>是不是这么个意思</s>
<time>1534_00:50:52,846 --> 00:50:54,286</time>
<s>所以就是我现在慢慢明白</s>
<time>1535_00:50:54,646 --> 00:50:55,006</time>
<s>您说这意思了</s>
<time>1536_00:50:55,366 --> 00:50:57,886</time>
<s>就是说这也是咱们现在说的</s>
<time>1537_00:50:58,246 --> 00:51:00,406</time>
<s>就是过去你看孟子</s>
<time>1538_00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:02,566</time>
<s>就是到什么齐国去</s>
<time>1539_00:51:02,926 --> 00:51:04,006</time>
<s>就讲一句话</s>
<time>1540_00:51:04,366 --> 00:51:05,086</time>
<s>我这印象很深</s>
<time>1541_00:51:05,446 --> 00:51:06,526</time>
<s>这齐国这国王说</s>
<time>1542_00:51:06,886 --> 00:51:08,686</time>
<s>你来了你这么大的思想家</s>
<time>1543_00:51:09,046 --> 00:51:10,126</time>
<s>你对我出点什么招</s>
<time>1544_00:51:10,486 --> 00:51:12,286</time>
<s>能对我有利对吧</s>
<time>1545_00:51:12,646 --> 00:51:13,726</time>
<s>这个孟子最后说了一个</s>
<time>1546_00:51:14,086 --> 00:51:15,526</time>
<s>大王何必日利</s>
<time>1547_00:51:15,886 --> 00:51:18,766</time>
<s>说如果就是都讲利利字当头</s>
<time>1548_00:51:19,126 --> 00:51:21,286</time>
<s>是吧国与国咱也是对我有利</s>
<time>1549_00:51:21,646 --> 00:51:22,366</time>
<s>人与人对我有利</s>
<time>1550_00:51:22,726 --> 00:51:24,886</time>
<s>如果全是这一水儿的</s>
<time>1551_00:51:25,246 --> 00:51:27,046</time>
<s>那就最后就是自取灭亡呗</s>
<time>1552_00:51:27,406 --> 00:51:28,486</time>
<s>所以其实在这儿</s>
<time>1553_00:51:28,846 --> 00:51:31,366</time>
<s>它确实有个义利之辨</s>
<time>1554_00:51:31,726 --> 00:51:33,886</time>
<s>这个就是说你得有另一个标准</s>
<time>1555_00:51:34,246 --> 00:51:35,686</time>
<s>你比如说电影评奖</s>
<time>1556_00:51:36,046 --> 00:51:38,566</time>
<s>电影评奖这就是让人知廉耻的对吧</s>
<time>1557_00:51:38,926 --> 00:51:40,366</time>
<s>你知道这东西有面子</s>
<time>1558_00:51:40,726 --> 00:51:42,526</time>
<s>那东西叫丢人</s>
<time>1559_00:51:42,886 --> 00:51:45,046</time>
<s>那你丢人的也许钱挣着了</s>
<time>1560_00:51:45,406 --> 00:51:46,486</time>
<s>你也是个平衡</s>
<time>1561_00:51:46,846 --> 00:51:47,566</time>
<s>就是这社会要不说</s>
<time>1562_00:51:47,926 --> 00:51:51,526</time>
<s>得有两只脚都能立得住是这样</s>
<time>1563_00:51:51,886 --> 00:51:52,246</time>
<s>你总结得非常好对的</s>
<time>1564_00:51:52,606 --> 00:51:53,326</time>
<s>是这个意思</s>
<time>1565_00:51:53,686 --> 00:51:54,406</time>
<s>这就是汪老师</s>
<time>1566_00:51:54,766 --> 00:51:55,846</time>
<s>带给我们的这一席</s>
<time>1567_00:51:56,206 --> 00:51:58,366</time>
<s>对中国影视剧的忧思</s>
<time>1568_00:51:58,726 --> 00:52:01,246</time>
<s>谢谢</s>
