<time>876_00:26:13,602 --> 00:26:15,042</time>
<s>当时是为了要</s>
<time>877_00:26:15,402 --> 00:26:15,762</time>
<s>生存</s>
<time>878_00:26:16,122 --> 00:26:17,202</time>
<s>因为我是在下乡的时候</s>
<time>879_00:26:17,562 --> 00:26:19,722</time>
<s>下乡的时候很艰苦的</s>
<time>880_00:26:20,082 --> 00:26:21,522</time>
<s>当时我们在一个五四农场</s>
<time>881_00:26:21,882 --> 00:26:23,682</time>
<s>就是在奉贤的那个海边</s>
<time>882_00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:25,482</time>
<s>到处都是芦苇</s>
<time>883_00:26:25,842 --> 00:26:26,202</time>
<s>要在长芦苇的</s>
<time>884_00:26:26,562 --> 00:26:28,002</time>
<s>这个盐碱地里面</s>
<time>885_00:26:28,362 --> 00:26:29,442</time>
<s>把它改造成可以种庄稼的</s>
<time>886_00:26:29,802 --> 00:26:31,242</time>
<s>那个东西</s>
<time>887_00:26:31,602 --> 00:26:32,682</time>
<s>所以呢我们当时就是说</s>
<time>888_00:26:33,042 --> 00:26:33,402</time>
<s>叫做</s>
<time>889_00:26:34,122 --> 00:26:35,922</time>
<s>“宁可做得肝硬化</s>
<time>890_00:26:36,282 --> 00:26:37,722</time>
<s>不让海滩长芦花”</s>
<time>891_00:26:39,882 --> 00:26:42,042</time>
<s>他就让我们挖河</s>
<time>892_00:26:42,762 --> 00:26:44,202</time>
<s>他给你弄两立方土</s>
<time>893_00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:45,282</time>
<s>你知道两立方土是什么</s>
<time>894_00:26:45,642 --> 00:26:46,722</time>
<s>就这么就这么多</s>
<time>895_00:26:47,442 --> 00:26:48,882</time>
<s>就这么多两立方士</s>
<time>896_00:26:49,602 --> 00:26:51,042</time>
<s>是好几吨重</s>
<time>897_00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:52,122</time>
<s>那个时候已经到了</s>
<time>898_00:26:52,482 --> 00:26:52,842</time>
<s>包产到户了</s>
<time>899_00:26:53,562 --> 00:26:53,922</time>
<s>你自己挖</s>
<time>900_00:26:54,282 --> 00:26:55,002</time>
<s>挖了以后你自己挑</s>
<time>901_00:26:55,362 --> 00:26:56,082</time>
<s>挖了以后你到上面去</s>
<time>902_00:26:56,442 --> 00:26:57,162</time>
<s>把这个土给弄上去</s>
<time>903_00:26:57,882 --> 00:26:58,602</time>
<s>这个大概</s>
<time>904_00:26:58,962 --> 00:27:00,762</time>
<s>斜坡大概200公尺</s>
<time>905_00:27:01,122 --> 00:27:02,202</time>
<s>300公尺这个样子</s>
<time>906_00:27:02,922 --> 00:27:03,642</time>
<s>十七八岁的小孩子</s>
<time>907_00:27:04,362 --> 00:27:05,082</time>
<s>你挑了这个担子</s>
<time>908_00:27:05,442 --> 00:27:06,162</time>
<s>大概200斤重吧</s>
<time>909_00:27:06,522 --> 00:27:07,962</time>
<s>一步一滑</s>
<time>910_00:27:08,322 --> 00:27:09,402</time>
<s>有时候就会滑到原点</s>
<time>911_00:27:09,762 --> 00:27:10,842</time>
<s>再重新来过</s>
<time>912_00:27:11,562 --> 00:27:12,282</time>
<s>他就包给你说</s>
<time>913_00:27:12,642 --> 00:27:13,362</time>
<s>两立方</s>
<time>914_00:27:14,442 --> 00:27:14,802</time>
<s>太可岭了</s>
<time>915_00:27:15,162 --> 00:27:15,522</time>
<s>你干吧</s>
<time>916_00:27:15,882 --> 00:27:17,322</time>
<s>就在这个情况下</s>
<time>917_00:27:17,682 --> 00:27:18,042</time>
<s>突然说</s>
<time>918_00:27:19,122 --> 00:27:19,842</time>
<s>你可以高考了</s>
<time>919_00:27:23,442 --> 00:27:23,802</time>
<s>那是一个仕么东西</s>
<time>920_00:27:24,162 --> 00:27:25,962</time>
<s>那你就是只要能进（大学）</s>
<time>921_00:27:26,322 --> 00:27:26,682</time>
<s>不管了</s>
<time>922_00:27:27,402 --> 00:27:28,122</time>
<s>那种动力是</s>
<time>923_00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:29,562</time>
<s>逃生的这种动力</s>
<time>924_00:27:29,922 --> 00:27:30,642</time>
<s>就是拼死老命</s>
<time>925_00:27:31,722 --> 00:27:32,802</time>
<s>就是想尽一切办法</s>
<time>926_00:27:34,242 --> 00:27:35,322</time>
<s>来学习</s>
<time>927_00:27:36,042 --> 00:27:36,762</time>
<s>第一年是报哪儿</s>
<time>928_00:27:37,122 --> 00:27:37,482</time>
<s>没考上</s>
<time>929_00:27:37,842 --> 00:27:38,202</time>
<s>第一年是</s>
<time>930_00:27:38,562 --> 00:27:40,362</time>
<s>上海机械学院</s>
<time>931_00:27:41,082 --> 00:27:42,522</time>
<s>我觉得一开始我还挺高兴</s>
<time>932_00:27:42,882 --> 00:27:43,602</time>
<s>让我去体检了</s>
<time>933_00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:45,042</time>
<s>那说明你分数过关了对吧</s>
<time>934_00:27:45,402 --> 00:27:46,122</time>
<s>那结果后来</s>
<time>935_00:27:46,842 --> 00:27:47,202</time>
<s>那个</s>
<time>936_00:27:48,282 --> 00:27:48,642</time>
<s>说</s>
<time>937_00:27:49,362 --> 00:27:50,442</time>
<s>就说我家里面不过关</s>
<time>938_00:27:52,602 --> 00:27:53,682</time>
<s>所以就被刷下来了</s>
<time>939_00:27:54,402 --> 00:27:55,842</time>
<s>所以第二年就更要</s>
<time>940_00:27:56,202 --> 00:27:56,922</time>
<s>更要考得好一点才行</s>
<time>941_00:27:57,282 --> 00:27:58,362</time>
<s>考我其实也没考得特别好</s>
<time>942_00:27:58,722 --> 00:28:00,522</time>
<s>但是我那个考语文</s>
<time>943_00:28:00,882 --> 00:28:02,322</time>
<s>和考政治的分数特别高</s>
<time>944_00:28:03,402 --> 00:28:04,122</time>
<s>后来就是靠这个</s>
<time>945_00:28:04,482 --> 00:28:05,202</time>
<s>语文和政治</s>
<time>946_00:28:05,562 --> 00:28:06,282</time>
<s>把我拉上去</s>
<time>947_00:28:06,642 --> 00:28:08,442</time>
<s>所以那个时候读书是</s>
<time>948_00:28:08,802 --> 00:28:09,882</time>
<s>拼命学习</s>
<time>949_00:28:10,242 --> 00:28:10,602</time>
<s>不是我一个人</s>
<time>950_00:28:10,962 --> 00:28:11,682</time>
<s>整个这个就</s>
<time>951_00:28:12,042 --> 00:28:13,482</time>
<s>大家非常愿意学习</s>
<time>952_00:28:13,842 --> 00:28:14,922</time>
<s>等于被耽误的十年</s>
<time>953_00:28:15,282 --> 00:28:15,642</time>
<s>要补回来</s>
<time>954_00:28:16,362 --> 00:28:17,442</time>
<s>当时其实（工作）是分配的</s>
<time>955_00:28:17,802 --> 00:28:19,602</time>
<s>也不知道读书好有啥用</s>
<time>956_00:28:19,962 --> 00:28:20,322</time>
<s>但是不管怎么样</s>
<time>957_00:28:20,682 --> 00:28:21,762</time>
<s>我觉得我还要学得更多</s>
<time>958_00:28:22,122 --> 00:28:23,202</time>
<s>因为觉得这个来之不易</s>
<time>959_00:28:24,282 --> 00:28:25,362</time>
<s>所以当时我就跟几个</s>
<time>960_00:28:25,722 --> 00:28:26,802</time>
<s>学习比较好的人说</s>
<time>961_00:28:27,162 --> 00:28:28,242</time>
<s>咱这个到物理系去</s>
<time>962_00:28:28,602 --> 00:28:29,682</time>
<s>学电子学</s>
<time>963_00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:31,122</time>
<s>到化学系去学</s>
<time>964_00:28:31,482 --> 00:28:32,202</time>
<s>量子化学</s>
<time>965_00:28:32,562 --> 00:28:33,282</time>
<s>当时也半听不懂的</s>
<time>966_00:28:34,002 --> 00:28:34,722</time>
<s>当时我们就后来就碰到</s>
<time>967_00:28:35,082 --> 00:28:35,802</time>
<s>这个周绍慈老师</s>
<time>968_00:28:37,602 --> 00:28:38,322</time>
<s>这就让我第一次接触了</s>
<time>969_00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:39,402</time>
<s>电生理</s>
<time>970_00:28:39,762 --> 00:28:41,202</time>
<s>你扎一个电极到脑子里面去</s>
<time>971_00:28:41,922 --> 00:28:43,362</time>
<s>可以记到这个</s>
<time>972_00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:44,442</time>
<s>那个电位</s>
<time>973_00:28:44,802 --> 00:28:45,522</time>
<s>非常吸引人</s>
<time>974_00:28:45,882 --> 00:28:46,602</time>
<s>那么然后</s>
<time>975_00:28:46,962 --> 00:28:47,682</time>
<s>就是专门是学了这个</s>
<time>976_00:28:48,042 --> 00:28:49,122</time>
<s>巴普洛夫的那个东西</s>
<time>977_00:28:49,482 --> 00:28:51,642</time>
<s>就课外就读了很多这个</s>
<time>978_00:28:52,002 --> 00:28:53,082</time>
<s>神经科学的书</s>
<time>979_00:28:53,442 --> 00:28:54,162</time>
<s>当时那些学校都可以</s>
<time>980_00:28:54,522 --> 00:28:55,242</time>
<s>看到《科学》什么</s>
<time>981_00:28:55,602 --> 00:28:56,322</time>
<s>《自然》都没问题</s>
<time>982_00:28:58,122 --> 00:28:58,842</time>
<s>我们想办法</s>
<time>983_00:28:59,202 --> 00:29:01,362</time>
<s>它是有进给教师可以看</s>
<time>984_00:29:01,722 --> 00:29:03,162</time>
<s>那我们想办法混进去</s>
<time>985_00:29:03,522 --> 00:29:04,242</time>
<s>我们就</s>
<time>986_00:29:04,602 --> 00:29:05,682</time>
<s>当时是不是意识到这个差距</s>
<time>987_00:29:06,042 --> 00:29:07,122</time>
<s>就已经非常大</s>
<time>988_00:29:07,482 --> 00:29:08,202</time>
<s>对非常大</s>
<time>989_00:29:08,922 --> 00:29:10,362</time>
<s>当时我记得我们</s>
<time>990_00:29:10,722 --> 00:29:11,442</time>
<s>不是有什么“四大导师”（的书)</s>
<time>991_00:29:11,802 --> 00:29:12,522</time>
<s>什么这个</s>
<time>992_00:29:12,882 --> 00:29:14,682</time>
<s>《走向未来》丛书</s>
<time>993_00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:16,842</time>
<s>然后我们当时读的那个</s>
<time>994_00:29:17,202 --> 00:29:18,282</time>
<s>给我们影响比较大的</s>
<time>995_00:29:18,642 --> 00:29:19,002</time>
<s>也就是这种</s>
<time>996_00:29:19,362 --> 00:29:20,082</time>
<s>《走向未来》丛书</s>
<time>997_00:29:20,442 --> 00:29:21,522</time>
<s>美国的学校是怎么样的</s>
<time>998_00:29:21,882 --> 00:29:22,602</time>
<s>文化是什么样的</s>
<time>999_00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:24,402</time>
<s>我还记得我们有一次</s>
<time>1000_00:29:24,762 --> 00:29:26,562</time>
<s>有一个复旦来的老师</s>
<time>1001_00:29:26,922 --> 00:29:28,002</time>
<s>给我们讲这个</s>
<time>1002_00:29:28,362 --> 00:29:29,082</time>
<s>美国的摇滚乐</s>
<time>1003_00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:30,162</time>
<s>我的天</s>
<time>1004_00:29:30,522 --> 00:29:31,962</time>
<s>真是黑压压的一片人</s>
<time>1005_00:29:32,682 --> 00:29:33,762</time>
<s>他一边放那个什么</s>
<time>1006_00:29:34,122 --> 00:29:35,562</time>
<s>肯尼·罗杰斯什么就</s>
<time>1007_00:29:35,922 --> 00:29:37,362</time>
<s>我觉得这个简直是</s>
<time>1008_00:29:38,442 --> 00:29:38,802</time>
<s>惊为天籁是吧</s>
<time>1009_00:29:39,162 --> 00:29:39,882</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1010_00:29:40,602 --> 00:29:42,762</time>
<s>就是我们当时是拥抱</s>
<time>1011_00:29:43,122 --> 00:29:43,842</time>
<s>文学也好</s>
<time>1012_00:29:44,562 --> 00:29:44,922</time>
<s>一切</s>
<time>1013_00:29:45,282 --> 00:29:45,642</time>
<s>对一切</s>
<time>1014_00:29:46,002 --> 00:29:47,802</time>
<s>因为整个社会气氛是一个特别</s>
<time>1015_00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:49,242</time>
<s>昂扬的一个社会气氛</s>
<time>1016_00:29:49,602 --> 00:29:49,962</time>
<s>对充满了渴望</s>
<time>1017_00:29:50,322 --> 00:29:51,762</time>
<s>而且是想跨过现在的这种不幸</s>
<time>1018_00:29:52,122 --> 00:29:52,842</time>
<s>赶紧奔向未来是吧</s>
<time>1019_00:29:53,202 --> 00:29:53,922</time>
<s>对然后</s>
<time>1020_00:29:54,282 --> 00:29:55,362</time>
<s>想出国</s>
<time>1021_00:29:55,722 --> 00:29:57,522</time>
<s>想要拥抱新的文化</s>
<time>1022_00:29:58,242 --> 00:29:59,682</time>
<s>当年首先是邓小平说要</s>
<time>1023_00:30:00,042 --> 00:30:00,402</time>
<s>恢复高考</s>
<time>1024_00:30:00,762 --> 00:30:01,122</time>
<s>后来</s>
<time>1025_00:30:01,482 --> 00:30:02,922</time>
<s>邓小平说要把人送出去</s>
<time>1026_00:30:03,282 --> 00:30:04,002</time>
<s>到国外去留学</s>
<time>1027_00:30:04,722 --> 00:30:05,802</time>
<s>这个时候有一个人响应</s>
<time>1028_00:30:06,162 --> 00:30:07,602</time>
<s>李政道</s>
<time>1029_00:30:07,962 --> 00:30:09,042</time>
<s>说我们要做一个叫</s>
<time>1030_00:30:09,402 --> 00:30:10,482</time>
<s>“联合招考物理研究生项目</s>
<time>1031_00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:12,642</time>
<s>每年挑一百个人送到美国去</s>
<time>1032_00:30:13,002 --> 00:30:14,442</time>
<s>那这个是影响力太大了</s>
<time>1033_00:30:15,162 --> 00:30:16,242</time>
<s>到现在你知道中国的物理</s>
<time>1034_00:30:16,602 --> 00:30:17,322</time>
<s>在全世界什么情况吗</s>
<time>1035_00:30:19,842 --> 00:30:20,562</time>
<s>超过一半是中国人</s>
<time>1036_00:30:21,642 --> 00:30:22,362</time>
<s>等于这个奖学金</s>
<time>1037_00:30:22,722 --> 00:30:23,082</time>
<s>起了很大的作用</s>
<time>1038_00:30:23,442 --> 00:30:25,242</time>
<s>对一个是杨振宁的这个</s>
<time>1039_00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:27,042</time>
<s>杨先生的这个典范作用</s>
<time>1040_00:30:27,402 --> 00:30:27,762</time>
<s>这个鼓舞</s>
<time>1041_00:30:28,482 --> 00:30:29,562</time>
<s>另外一个就是这个</s>
<time>1042_00:30:29,922 --> 00:30:31,002</time>
<s>这个留学项目</s>
<time>1043_00:30:31,362 --> 00:30:32,442</time>
<s>到了1983年</s>
<time>1044_00:30:32,802 --> 00:30:33,162</time>
<s>吴瑞先生</s>
<time>1045_00:30:33,522 --> 00:30:34,602</time>
<s>他说你可以搞一个物理的</s>
<time>1046_00:30:34,962 --> 00:30:36,402</time>
<s>那我可以搞一个生物的</s>
<time>1047_00:30:36,762 --> 00:30:37,122</time>
<s>因为</s>
<time>1048_00:30:37,482 --> 00:30:38,562</time>
<s>你知道我这个是</s>
<time>1049_00:30:38,922 --> 00:30:39,642</time>
<s>不被老师看好的</s>
<time>1050_00:30:40,002 --> 00:30:42,162</time>
<s>他肯定不会选到我</s>
<time>1051_00:30:42,522 --> 00:30:43,602</time>
<s>后面就慢慢更开放了</s>
<time>1052_00:30:43,962 --> 00:30:45,762</time>
<s>就是在正当一大批</s>
<time>1053_00:30:46,122 --> 00:30:46,842</time>
<s>大家都在那里考</s>
<time>1054_00:30:47,202 --> 00:30:47,562</time>
<s>竞争</s>
<time>1055_00:30:48,642 --> 00:30:50,802</time>
<s>我就来弄一个自费留学</s>
<time>1056_00:31:08,442 --> 00:31:08,802</time>
<s>这里面</s>
<time>1057_00:31:09,522 --> 00:31:10,962</time>
<s>全球华人生命科学家</s>
<time>1058_00:31:11,682 --> 00:31:12,762</time>
<s>基本上都在这张照片里</s>
<time>1059_00:31:13,482 --> 00:31:14,562</time>
<s>超过一半的人</s>
<time>1060_00:31:14,922 --> 00:31:15,642</time>
<s>是这个项目里面的人</s>
<time>1061_00:31:16,002 --> 00:31:17,802</time>
<s>这就是中国改革开放以来的</s>
<time>1062_00:31:18,162 --> 00:31:20,322</time>
<s>出国了后来很多人都回国了</s>
<time>1063_00:31:21,042 --> 00:31:21,762</time>
<s>其实像一个</s>
<time>1064_00:31:22,122 --> 00:31:23,562</time>
<s>怎么说新大陆的历险记</s>
<time>1065_00:31:23,922 --> 00:31:24,642</time>
<s>生命科学大脑</s>
<time>1066_00:31:25,002 --> 00:31:25,722</time>
<s>像去里面冒险</s>
<time>1067_00:31:26,082 --> 00:31:27,162</time>
<s>就中国人这个群体里面的</s>
<time>1068_00:31:28,602 --> 00:31:29,682</time>
<s>这个人也挺有意思</s>
<time>1069_00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:31,482</time>
<s>这对夫妇是</s>
<time>1070_00:31:31,842 --> 00:31:32,922</time>
<s>最早进入中国做投资的</s>
<time>1071_00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:35,442</time>
<s>但是他最后的兴趣是在脑</s>
<time>1072_00:31:36,162 --> 00:31:37,242</time>
<s>他有一次呢</s>
<time>1073_00:31:37,602 --> 00:31:38,322</time>
<s>本来是想把我招聘到</s>
<time>1074_00:31:38,682 --> 00:31:39,762</time>
<s>美国麻省理工学院</s>
<time>1075_00:31:40,122 --> 00:31:41,202</time>
<s>后来他说干脆这样吧</s>
<time>1076_00:31:41,562 --> 00:31:43,002</time>
<s>他说我赚的钱</s>
<time>1077_00:31:43,362 --> 00:31:44,082</time>
<s>绝大部分是中国来的</s>
<time>1078_00:31:44,442 --> 00:31:46,242</time>
<s>我觉得我应该</s>
<time>1079_00:31:46,602 --> 00:31:47,322</time>
<s>回馈中国</s>
<time>1080_00:31:47,682 --> 00:31:49,482</time>
<s>后来就这个消息就走漏了</s>
<time>1081_00:31:49,842 --> 00:31:50,922</time>
<s>后来就是北京大学也来</s>
<time>1082_00:31:51,282 --> 00:31:51,642</time>
<s>清华大学也来</s>
<time>1083_00:31:52,002 --> 00:31:53,082</time>
<s>来争这个资金</s>
<time>1084_00:31:53,442 --> 00:31:54,882</time>
<s>但是他不幸</s>
<time>1085_00:31:55,962 --> 00:31:57,042</time>
<s>大概两三年前</s>
<time>1086_00:31:57,402 --> 00:31:58,122</time>
<s>去世了好像</s>
<time>1087_00:31:58,482 --> 00:31:58,842</time>
<s>去世了以后</s>
<time>1088_00:31:59,202 --> 00:32:01,722</time>
<s>他就把他的骨灰埋在我们门口</s>
<time>1089_00:32:02,802 --> 00:32:03,882</time>
<s>他把骨灰分成四份</s>
<time>1090_00:32:04,242 --> 00:32:04,962</time>
<s>一份在美国麻省理工学院</s>
<time>1091_00:32:05,322 --> 00:32:06,042</time>
<s>一份在这个我们这边</s>
<time>1092_00:32:06,402 --> 00:32:07,122</time>
<s>一份在北大</s>
<time>1093_00:32:07,482 --> 00:32:08,202</time>
<s>还有一份在北京师范大学</s>
<time>1094_00:32:08,562 --> 00:32:10,362</time>
<s>他给了三个学校资金支持</s>
<time>1095_00:32:10,722 --> 00:32:12,162</time>
<s>全是关于脑科学研究的</s>
<time>1096_00:32:12,522 --> 00:32:13,602</time>
<s>都是麦戈文研究所对</s>
<time>1097_00:32:14,322 --> 00:32:15,402</time>
<s>他有几个特别着迷的地方</s>
<time>1098_00:32:16,122 --> 00:32:17,202</time>
<s>一个叫认知</s>
<time>1099_00:32:17,922 --> 00:32:19,002</time>
<s>感觉到知觉</s>
<time>1100_00:32:19,362 --> 00:32:20,082</time>
<s>他说这个是怎么回事</s>
<time>1101_00:32:20,442 --> 00:32:20,802</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>1102_00:32:21,162 --> 00:32:21,882</time>
<s>然后呢还有</s>
<time>1103_00:32:22,242 --> 00:32:23,682</time>
<s>他说人是怎么做决定的</s>
<time>1104_00:32:24,042 --> 00:32:24,402</time>
<s>下决定</s>
<time>1105_00:32:24,762 --> 00:32:26,202</time>
<s>他当时是讲了一个</s>
<time>1106_00:32:26,562 --> 00:32:27,642</time>
<s>人跟人之间的打仗</s>
<time>1107_00:32:28,362 --> 00:32:29,442</time>
<s>他说有什么仇恨</s>
<time>1108_00:32:29,802 --> 00:32:30,522</time>
<s>为什么做出这样的决定</s>
<time>1109_00:32:30,882 --> 00:32:31,962</time>
<s>他会觉得很</s>
<time>1110_00:32:32,322 --> 00:32:33,042</time>
<s>很奇妙</s>
<time>1111_00:32:33,402 --> 00:32:35,562</time>
<s>他觉得赚钱不那么重要</s>
<time>1112_00:32:36,282 --> 00:32:37,722</time>
<s>重要是这赚了钱以后</s>
<time>1113_00:32:38,082 --> 00:32:40,602</time>
<s>能够帮助人类能够有这个对吧</s>
<time>1114_00:32:40,962 --> 00:32:42,042</time>
<s>对自我的认知</s>
<time>1115_00:32:42,402 --> 00:32:43,842</time>
<s>他认为对自我的认识</s>
<time>1116_00:32:44,562 --> 00:32:45,642</time>
<s>其实就是对大脑的认识</s>
<time>1117_00:32:48,522 --> 00:32:50,322</time>
<s>你这办公室坐了多久了</s>
<time>1118_00:32:51,402 --> 00:32:52,122</time>
<s>2016年到现在</s>
<time>1119_00:32:52,482 --> 00:32:53,202</time>
<s>五年了</s>
<time>1120_00:32:53,562 --> 00:32:53,922</time>
<s>蛮长的时间</s>
<time>1121_00:32:54,642 --> 00:32:56,442</time>
<s>这个照片可以看一下</s>
<time>1122_00:32:57,162 --> 00:32:58,962</time>
<s>这个是我快要回国的时候</s>
<time>1123_00:32:59,322 --> 00:33:00,402</time>
<s>大家给我开了一个欢送会</s>
<time>1124_00:33:00,762 --> 00:33:01,842</time>
<s>就给我送礼物嘛</s>
<time>1125_00:33:02,202 --> 00:33:03,282</time>
<s>我一打开是这个东西</s>
<time>1126_00:33:04,002 --> 00:33:05,442</time>
<s>这个是一个俯瞰</s>
<time>1127_00:33:05,802 --> 00:33:08,682</time>
<s>就是NIH（美国国立卫生研究所）的</s>
<time>1128_00:33:09,042 --> 00:33:09,762</time>
<s>俯瞰图</s>
<time>1129_00:33:10,482 --> 00:33:12,642</time>
<s>（我当时）工作生活就是在这一块</s>
<time>1130_00:33:13,002 --> 00:33:13,722</time>
<s>生活了</s>
<time>1131_00:33:15,522 --> 00:33:16,242</time>
<s>14年</s>
<time>1132_00:33:16,602 --> 00:33:19,122</time>
<s>在这块工作生活了14年</s>
<time>1133_00:33:19,482 --> 00:33:20,922</time>
<s>记忆所以是最珍贵的礼物</s>
<time>1134_00:33:21,282 --> 00:33:21,642</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>1135_00:33:22,002 --> 00:33:23,442</time>
<s>我就一直留着</s>
<time>1136_00:33:24,162 --> 00:33:24,882</time>
<s>其实很多签名的人后来</s>
<time>1137_00:33:25,242 --> 00:33:25,602</time>
<s>yum其实很多签名的人后来影</s>
<time>1138_00:33:25,962 --> 00:33:27,042</time>
<s>也逐渐逐渐回国了</s>
<time>1139_00:33:27,402 --> 00:33:28,482</time>
<s>那我是那个时候是第一个</s>
<time>1140_00:33:28,842 --> 00:33:29,562</time>
<s>当时那个</s>
<time>1141_00:33:29,922 --> 00:33:30,642</time>
<s>就回国了</s>
<time>1142_00:33:31,002 --> 00:33:31,362</time>
<s>挺有意思的一个</s>
<time>1143_00:33:31,722 --> 00:33:32,082</time>
<s>挺感慨的</s>
<time>1144_00:33:32,442 --> 00:33:33,162</time>
<s>看到这个</s>
<time>1145_00:33:34,962 --> 00:33:36,042</time>
<s>好我们去走走呗</s>
<time>1146_00:33:37,122 --> 00:33:38,202</time>
<s>你不是要带我去清华走走吗</s>
<time>1147_00:33:38,562 --> 00:33:38,922</time>
<s>好</s>
<time>1148_00:33:43,242 --> 00:33:45,042</time>
<s>纽约给你的记忆</s>
<time>1149_00:33:45,402 --> 00:33:46,842</time>
<s>是不是很深的</s>
<time>1150_00:33:47,562 --> 00:33:47,922</time>
<s>非常深</s>
<time>1151_00:33:48,282 --> 00:33:50,082</time>
<s>那种巨大的差距</s>
<time>1152_00:33:50,442 --> 00:33:51,522</time>
<s>带来的那种焦虑感强吗</s>
<time>1153_00:33:52,242 --> 00:33:52,602</time>
<s>那时候去美国</s>
<time>1154_00:33:52,962 --> 00:33:54,042</time>
<s>不仅仅生活水平方面</s>
<time>1155_00:33:54,402 --> 00:33:55,122</time>
<s>有巨大的差距</s>
<time>1156_00:33:55,482 --> 00:33:56,202</time>
<s>然后包括科学本身</s>
<time>1157_00:33:56,562 --> 00:33:57,642</time>
<s>你用的这个焦虑</s>
<time>1158_00:33:58,002 --> 00:33:59,802</time>
<s>这个是几个层面</s>
<time>1159_00:34:01,242 --> 00:34:02,322</time>
<s>第一个焦虑是生存</s>
<time>1160_00:34:03,762 --> 00:34:05,202</time>
<s>我们是中国第一批</s>
<time>1161_00:34:05,562 --> 00:34:06,642</time>
<s>所谓的叫自费留学</s>
<time>1162_00:34:07,722 --> 00:34:08,802</time>
<s>我当时想要申请加拿大</s>
<time>1163_00:34:09,162 --> 00:34:11,322</time>
<s>因为加拿大有亲戚有朋友</s>
<time>1164_00:34:11,682 --> 00:34:13,122</time>
<s>然后当时就出了一本</s>
<time>1165_00:34:14,201 --> 00:34:15,642</time>
<s>《科学》有一期特殊专题</s>
<time>1166_00:34:16,002 --> 00:34:16,722</time>
<s>就是刚刚分子生物学</s>
<time>1167_00:34:17,082 --> 00:34:17,802</time>
<s>进入神经科学</s>
<time>1168_00:34:18,162 --> 00:34:18,882</time>
<s>非常兴奋</s>
<time>1169_00:34:19,241 --> 00:34:21,762</time>
<s>它就请了大概12个科学家</s>
<time>1170_00:34:22,122 --> 00:34:22,842</time>
<s>每个人写一篇文章</s>
<time>1171_00:34:23,562 --> 00:34:25,002</time>
<s>当时饶毅他说</s>
<time>1172_00:34:25,722 --> 00:34:26,802</time>
<s>你要去申请美国</s>
<time>1173_00:34:27,162 --> 00:34:27,882</time>
<s>我们就在这里面找（导师）</s>
<time>1174_00:34:28,242 --> 00:34:29,321</time>
<s>每人认领一个对</s>
<time>1175_00:34:29,682 --> 00:34:31,122</time>
<s>我就选了那个人叫阿尔布莱克</s>
<time>1176_00:34:31,842 --> 00:34:33,642</time>
<s>我就写了长长的一封信给他</s>
<time>1177_00:34:35,082 --> 00:34:35,442</time>
<s>一个月以后</s>
<time>1178_00:34:35,802 --> 00:34:37,241</time>
<s>厚厚的一个信封</s>
<time>1179_00:34:37,602 --> 00:34:38,322</time>
<s>上面写着</s>
<time>1180_00:34:38,682 --> 00:34:41,201</time>
<s>中国上海鲁白</s>
<time>1181_00:34:42,282 --> 00:34:42,642</time>
<s>竟然能找到</s>
<time>1182_00:34:43,722 --> 00:34:44,442</time>
<s>就找到了</s>
<time>1183_00:34:44,802 --> 00:34:46,241</time>
<s>就寄到我的手里了</s>
<time>1184_00:34:46,602 --> 00:34:47,322</time>
<s>这个太神奇了</s>
<time>1185_00:34:47,682 --> 00:34:48,402</time>
<s>其实就是没什么人</s>
<time>1186_00:34:48,762 --> 00:34:49,842</time>
<s>跟国外联络对</s>
<time>1187_00:34:50,201 --> 00:34:51,642</time>
<s>就容易找到你这样的人</s>
<time>1188_00:34:52,362 --> 00:34:53,082</time>
<s>他说我给你搞了一个</s>
<time>1189_00:34:53,442 --> 00:34:54,522</time>
<s>学费奖学金</s>
<time>1190_00:34:54,881 --> 00:34:55,602</time>
<s>他说你就来吧</s>
<time>1191_00:34:56,682 --> 00:34:57,762</time>
<s>我当时就读错了</s>
<time>1192_00:34:58,122 --> 00:34:59,202</time>
<s>我觉得我有奖学金</s>
<time>1193_00:34:59,562 --> 00:35:00,282</time>
<s>我就想我就去</s>
<time>1194_00:35:01,361 --> 00:35:02,082</time>
<s>刚刚到的第一天</s>
<time>1195_00:35:02,802 --> 00:35:03,882</time>
<s>人家告诉你说没钱的</s>
<time>1196_00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:07,122</time>
<s>我只是不要你交学费而已</s>
<time>1197_00:35:07,842 --> 00:35:08,922</time>
<s>凭啥我要给你钱</s>
<time>1198_00:35:09,642 --> 00:35:10,002</time>
<s>我已经给你奖学金了</s>
<time>1199_00:35:10,361 --> 00:35:11,442</time>
<s>我对你已经很</s>
<time>1200_00:35:12,161 --> 00:35:12,882</time>
<s>我一下子就震惊了</s>
<time>1201_00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:13,962</time>
<s>老师是这样子的</s>
<time>1202_00:35:14,322 --> 00:35:15,042</time>
<s>不客气</s>
<time>1203_00:35:17,922 --> 00:35:19,002</time>
<s>我一下子就觉得</s>
<time>1204_00:35:19,362 --> 00:35:20,082</time>
<s>那咋整啊</s>
<time>1205_00:35:20,442 --> 00:35:21,522</time>
<s>咱得打工啊对吧</s>
<time>1206_00:35:21,882 --> 00:35:22,962</time>
<s>第一份工是哪个</s>
<time>1207_00:35:23,321 --> 00:35:23,681</time>
<s>有各种各样的</s>
<time>1208_00:35:24,042 --> 00:35:25,842</time>
<s>就是我记得印象深刻的</s>
<time>1209_00:35:26,202 --> 00:35:26,562</time>
<s>是一个什么工呢</s>
<time>1210_00:35:26,922 --> 00:35:27,642</time>
<s>你们想都没想到的</s>
<time>1211_00:35:28,361 --> 00:35:30,161</time>
<s>美国过去发会议的通知</s>
<time>1212_00:35:30,882 --> 00:35:32,322</time>
<s>是一封一封邮寄的</s>
<time>1213_00:35:32,681 --> 00:35:35,202</time>
<s>上面有一个东西是金属的</s>
<time>1214_00:35:35,562 --> 00:35:36,642</time>
<s>你要把它这个拎起来</s>
<time>1215_00:35:37,002 --> 00:35:38,802</time>
<s>中间有个孔再把它翻开来对吧</s>
<time>1216_00:35:39,162 --> 00:35:40,602</time>
<s>你假如说弄一个两个无所谓</s>
<time>1217_00:35:40,962 --> 00:35:42,042</time>
<s>你要弄一千个</s>
<time>1218_00:35:43,122 --> 00:35:44,562</time>
<s>把你的手的血都搞出来</s>
<time>1219_00:35:44,922 --> 00:35:45,642</time>
<s>你要做得慢</s>
<time>1220_00:35:46,002 --> 00:35:47,442</time>
<s>钱不是要给别人赚去了嘛</s>
<time>1221_00:35:47,802 --> 00:35:48,162</time>
<s>就一直弄</s>
<time>1222_00:35:48,522 --> 00:35:49,962</time>
<s>弄了以后就手的指甲里面</s>
<time>1223_00:35:50,322 --> 00:35:50,682</time>
<s>血都出来了</s>
<time>1224_00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:53,562</time>
<s>后来我们一个韩国的女生</s>
<time>1225_00:35:53,921 --> 00:35:54,282</time>
<s>比我高几届</s>
<time>1226_00:35:54,642 --> 00:35:55,722</time>
<s>她说图书馆有打工的</s>
<time>1227_00:35:56,802 --> 00:35:57,162</time>
<s>那我就去申请</s>
<time>1228_00:35:57,882 --> 00:35:58,602</time>
<s>人家说跟我讲两句英文</s>
<time>1229_00:35:58,962 --> 00:35:59,682</time>
<s>我听都听不懂</s>
<time>1230_00:36:00,042 --> 00:36:01,122</time>
<s>所以人家就不要我</s>
<time>1231_00:36:01,842 --> 00:36:02,202</time>
<s>我就跟他死磨</s>
<time>1232_00:36:02,562 --> 00:36:03,642</time>
<s>这个是关系到生存</s>
<time>1233_00:36:04,002 --> 00:36:04,722</time>
<s>我就跟他死磨</s>
<time>1234_00:36:05,082 --> 00:36:06,522</time>
<s>后来他说那你就这样吧</s>
<time>1235_00:36:06,882 --> 00:36:07,962</time>
<s>你就做最后一工</s>
<time>1236_00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,842</time>
<s>就是在快要关门的时候</s>
<time>1237_00:36:11,201 --> 00:36:12,642</time>
<s>拿那个麦克风说</s>
<time>1238_00:36:13,362 --> 00:36:16,602</time>
<s>图书馆将在五分钟后关闭</s>
<time>1239_00:36:17,322 --> 00:36:18,402</time>
<s>然后呢我就穷练</s>
<time>1240_00:36:18,761 --> 00:36:19,482</time>
<s>练得人家听不懂</s>
<time>1241_00:36:20,562 --> 00:36:21,282</time>
<s>人家不知道我在干什么</s>
<time>1242_00:36:22,362 --> 00:36:24,522</time>
<s>到了第三天还是第四天</s>
<time>1243_00:36:24,881 --> 00:36:26,322</time>
<s>有一个美国学生跑来跟我讲</s>
<time>1244_00:36:27,402 --> 00:36:29,202</time>
<s>你的英语进步了很多</s>
<time>1245_00:36:31,362 --> 00:36:32,082</time>
<s>太可爱了对</s>
<time>1246_00:36:32,802 --> 00:36:33,882</time>
<s>但那段时间很短</s>
<time>1247_00:36:34,242 --> 00:36:36,042</time>
<s>很快我就找到了一个教授</s>
<time>1248_00:36:36,762 --> 00:36:38,922</time>
<s>他需要一个实验室的技术员</s>
<time>1249_00:36:39,281 --> 00:36:40,722</time>
<s>这个活还是跟我们专业有关的</s>
<time>1250_00:36:41,082 --> 00:36:42,882</time>
<s>他也挺大方的</s>
<time>1251_00:36:43,241 --> 00:36:43,962</time>
<s>所以我就基本上</s>
<time>1252_00:36:44,322 --> 00:36:45,762</time>
<s>解决了生活问题</s>
<time>1253_00:36:46,122 --> 00:36:47,202</time>
<s>那个最开心的</s>
<time>1254_00:36:47,562 --> 00:36:49,362</time>
<s>比如在纽约最开心的记忆是什么</s>
<time>1255_00:36:52,241 --> 00:36:53,682</time>
<s>解决生计问题了</s>
<time>1256_00:36:56,202 --> 00:37:00,522</time>
<s>我在康奈尔大学毕业以后</s>
<time>1257_00:37:00,882 --> 00:37:02,322</time>
<s>就有点不想要离开纽约</s>
<time>1258_00:37:02,682 --> 00:37:05,562</time>
<s>就是非常丰富的一个环境</s>
<time>1259_00:37:05,922 --> 00:37:09,162</time>
<s>所以我把这个想法告诉了我的</s>
<time>1260_00:37:09,522 --> 00:37:10,242</time>
<s>导师</s>
<time>1261_00:37:10,602 --> 00:37:12,401</time>
<s>他说你不想离开纽约那简单</s>
<time>1262_00:37:13,122 --> 00:37:14,201</time>
<s>我给你五个人</s>
<time>1263_00:37:14,562 --> 00:37:14,922</time>
<s>你去选</s>
<time>1264_00:37:15,282 --> 00:37:16,722</time>
<s>其中有一个就是我跟你讲</s>
<time>1265_00:37:17,082 --> 00:37:17,802</time>
<s>2000年得诺贝尔奖的</s>
<time>1266_00:37:18,162 --> 00:37:18,882</time>
<s>保罗·格林加德</s>
<time>1267_00:37:19,241 --> 00:37:20,322</time>
<s>另外一个是哥伦比亚(大学)</s>
<time>1268_00:37:20,682 --> 00:37:22,122</time>
<s>也是特别出名的一个人</s>
<time>1269_00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:23,202</time>
<s>两个都要我</s>
<time>1270_00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:25,722</time>
<s>我工作反正是很努力的</s>
<time>1271_00:37:26,082 --> 00:37:26,802</time>
<s>是我们实验室可能是</s>
<time>1272_00:37:27,161 --> 00:37:27,882</time>
<s>最努力的一个</s>
<time>1273_00:37:28,602 --> 00:37:28,962</time>
<s>然后呢</s>
<time>1274_00:37:30,042 --> 00:37:30,762</time>
<s>过了一阵子</s>
<time>1275_00:37:31,122 --> 00:37:31,482</time>
<s>保罗·格林加德</s>
<time>1276_00:37:31,842 --> 00:37:33,281</time>
<s>他就给我打电话</s>
<time>1277_00:37:33,642 --> 00:37:35,802</time>
<s>他说你来不来没所谓</s>
<time>1278_00:37:36,882 --> 00:37:38,682</time>
<s>但是我可不可以用你的名字</s>
<time>1279_00:37:39,042 --> 00:37:39,402</time>
<s>因为我们这个项目里面</s>
<time>1280_00:37:39,762 --> 00:37:42,282</time>
<s>有一部分是要做细胞培养神经元</s>
<time>1281_00:37:42,642 --> 00:37:43,721</time>
<s>他说我们不会</s>
<time>1282_00:37:44,082 --> 00:37:45,162</time>
<s>但是把你的名字放上去</s>
<time>1283_00:37:45,522 --> 00:37:46,241</time>
<s>人家就觉得</s>
<time>1284_00:37:46,602 --> 00:37:46,962</time>
<s>有一个专家</s>
<time>1285_00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:48,401</time>
<s>我想我哪一天</s>
<time>1286_00:37:48,762 --> 00:37:50,562</time>
<s>变成世界专家了</s>
<time>1287_00:37:51,282 --> 00:37:53,802</time>
<s>有自信了一下</s>
<time>1288_00:37:54,162 --> 00:37:54,882</time>
<s>就是因为他这个东西</s>
<time>1289_00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:55,962</time>
<s>我后来就决定要到他那边去</s>
<time>1290_00:37:56,322 --> 00:37:57,042</time>
<s>他对你很重视</s>
<time>1291_00:37:57,401 --> 00:37:58,482</time>
<s>这个人真的好厉害</s>
<time>1292_00:37:58,842 --> 00:37:59,202</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1293_00:37:59,562 --> 00:37:59,922</time>
<s>他就是这种</s>
<time>1294_00:38:00,281 --> 00:38:01,002</time>
<s>人家叫人格魅力</s>
<time>1295_00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:02,082</time>
<s>这真是人格魅力</s>
<time>1296_00:38:02,442 --> 00:38:03,162</time>
<s>很吸引人</s>
<time>1297_00:38:03,522 --> 00:38:06,042</time>
<s>我就去到他那边</s>
<time>1298_00:38:06,401 --> 00:38:07,842</time>
<s>去了他那边我才知道</s>
<time>1299_00:38:08,202 --> 00:38:09,281</time>
<s>原来我那个实验室</s>
<time>1300_00:38:09,642 --> 00:38:10,362</time>
<s>我原来以为我这个实验室是</s>
<time>1301_00:38:10,721 --> 00:38:11,082</time>
<s>最好的</s>
<time>1302_00:38:11,442 --> 00:38:11,802</time>
<s>去了他那边</s>
<time>1303_00:38:12,161 --> 00:38:13,962</time>
<s>天外有天山外有山</s>
<time>1304_00:38:14,322 --> 00:38:16,122</time>
<s>他那个实验室好大一个</s>
<time>1305_00:38:16,482 --> 00:38:17,922</time>
<s>50多个博士后</s>
