<time>2_00:00:50,802 --> 00:00:51,522</time>
<s>他们今天拍这个</s>
<time>3_00:00:51,882 --> 00:00:53,682</time>
<s>可以另外剪一集</s>
<time>4_00:00:54,042 --> 00:00:55,122</time>
<s>当教材可以卖教材</s>
<time>5_00:00:55,842 --> 00:00:56,922</time>
<s>可以当教材卖</s>
<time>6_00:00:58,362 --> 00:00:59,802</time>
<s>怎样画油画</s>
<time>7_00:01:00,882 --> 00:01:01,242</time>
<s>我们分成嘛</s>
<time>8_00:01:01,602 --> 00:01:02,682</time>
<s>你分一半我分一半</s>
<time>9_00:01:28,242 --> 00:01:28,602</time>
<s>1我这个长头发</s>
<time>10_00:01:28,962 --> 00:01:30,042</time>
<s>是美术界仅剩的</s>
<time>11_00:01:31,122 --> 00:01:31,842</time>
<s>全部都剃光头了嘛</s>
<time>12_00:01:32,202 --> 00:01:33,642</time>
<s>我这是仅剩的</s>
<time>13_00:01:34,722 --> 00:01:36,522</time>
<s>我是我们同学里边唯一一个</s>
<time>14_00:01:36,882 --> 00:01:37,962</time>
<s>到现在没有担任过任何职务</s>
<time>15_00:01:39,402 --> 00:01:40,842</time>
<s>（成都）画院要找我当一下我们院长影</s>
<time>16_00:01:41,202 --> 00:01:41,562</time>
<s>我说这样吧</s>
<time>17_00:01:42,642 --> 00:01:43,002</time>
<s>假如不当院长</s>
<time>18_00:01:43,362 --> 00:01:44,082</time>
<s>就要拘留十五天</s>
<time>19_00:01:44,442 --> 00:01:45,162</time>
<s>我就当这个院长</s>
<time>20_00:01:48,762 --> 00:01:49,842</time>
<s>而且我说我当院长</s>
<time>21_00:01:50,202 --> 00:01:50,922</time>
<s>你们画院三天就垮</s>
<time>22_00:01:51,282 --> 00:01:52,002</time>
<s>他们想确实也是这样</s>
<time>23_00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:53,082</time>
<s>不能让我当</s>
<time>24_00:02:09,282 --> 00:02:09,642</time>
<s>这是我最近</s>
<time>25_00:02:10,002 --> 00:02:10,722</time>
<s>我最近内心的苦恼</s>
<time>26_00:02:11,082 --> 00:02:11,802</time>
<s>我得坦白一下</s>
<time>27_00:02:16,122 --> 00:02:16,842</time>
<s>我觉得我尤其这两年</s>
<time>28_00:02:17,202 --> 00:02:17,562</time>
<s>做（《十三邀》）这件事</s>
<time>29_00:02:17,922 --> 00:02:18,642</time>
<s>跟社会现实太近了</s>
<time>30_00:02:20,082 --> 00:02:20,802</time>
<s>被这种现实所</s>
<time>31_00:02:21,882 --> 00:02:22,602</time>
<s>占据太多的空间</s>
<time>32_00:02:23,322 --> 00:02:24,042</time>
<s>就是你头脑中那种</s>
<time>33_00:02:24,402 --> 00:02:25,482</time>
<s>特别有想象的</s>
<time>34_00:02:25,842 --> 00:02:28,002</time>
<s>就是迷蒙的梦幻的</s>
<time>35_00:02:28,362 --> 00:02:29,082</time>
<s>可能我本来就不够多</s>
<time>36_00:02:30,162 --> 00:02:31,962</time>
<s>然后它现在变得好像更稀薄了</s>
<time>37_00:02:32,682 --> 00:02:33,042</time>
<s>所以对我来说</s>
<time>38_00:02:33,402 --> 00:02:35,202</time>
<s>我觉得何多苓身上有一种</s>
<time>39_00:02:35,562 --> 00:02:36,282</time>
<s>像梦一样的东西</s>
<time>40_00:02:38,802 --> 00:02:39,882</time>
<s>但我可能也把他浪漫化了</s>
<time>41_00:02:42,042 --> 00:02:43,482</time>
<s>我经常还是总结这一切</s>
<time>42_00:02:43,842 --> 00:02:44,922</time>
<s>我说我这个人为什么</s>
<time>43_00:02:46,361 --> 00:02:46,722</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>44_00:02:48,161 --> 00:02:49,242</time>
<s>走上这么一条路</s>
<time>45_00:02:50,682 --> 00:02:51,401</time>
<s>就是我这辈子可以说</s>
<time>46_00:02:51,762 --> 00:02:52,482</time>
<s>我是一个很</s>
<time>47_00:02:54,282 --> 00:02:54,642</time>
<s>说得不好听</s>
<time>48_00:02:56,802 --> 00:02:57,882</time>
<s>我没有争取任何事情</s>
<time>49_00:02:58,602 --> 00:03:00,762</time>
<s>但是就那年有一颗彗星</s>
<time>50_00:03:01,122 --> 00:03:03,641</time>
<s>1973年有一颗彗星进入太阳系</s>
<time>51_00:03:04,362 --> 00:03:05,082</time>
<s>它被我看见了</s>
<time>52_00:03:06,882 --> 00:03:08,322</time>
<s>我觉得一切跟我看到彗星</s>
<time>53_00:03:08,682 --> 00:03:09,402</time>
<s>都有关系</s>
<time>54_00:03:33,882 --> 00:03:34,962</time>
<s>倦急总会袭来</s>
<time>55_00:03:36,402 --> 00:03:37,482</time>
<s>你温望新的感受</s>
<time>56_00:03:38,562 --> 00:03:40,002</time>
<s>一条从未踏足的小径</s>
<time>57_00:03:41,442 --> 00:03:42,522</time>
<s>一个突然到来的朋友</s>
<time>58_00:03:43,602 --> 00:03:44,682</time>
<s>或是一个意外的包子</s>
<time>59_00:03:47,922 --> 00:03:48,642</time>
<s>但旧与新</s>
<time>60_00:03:49,362 --> 00:03:50,442</time>
<s>从来是紧密的链条</s>
<time>61_00:03:52,242 --> 00:03:52,962</time>
<s>唯内在笃定</s>
<time>62_00:03:54,042 --> 00:03:55,482</time>
<s>才不断激发外在探索</s>
<time>63_00:03:58,002 --> 00:03:58,722</time>
<s>因为你始终知道</s>
<time>64_00:03:59,802 --> 00:04:00,882</time>
<s>爱是一切的源头</s>
<time>65_00:04:02,682 --> 00:04:03,042</time>
<s>新道路</s>
<time>66_00:04:03,762 --> 00:04:04,842</time>
<s>总因它意外浮现</s>
<time>67_00:04:07,362 --> 00:04:08,802</time>
<s>唯爱与生命不可辜负</s>
<time>68_00:04:43,722 --> 00:04:44,441</time>
<s>在这儿</s>
<time>69_00:04:44,801 --> 00:04:45,522</time>
<s>何老师签名</s>
<time>70_00:04:46,962 --> 00:04:47,682</time>
<s>预约了就有位置吧</s>
<time>71_00:04:48,042 --> 00:04:48,402</time>
<s>有有有</s>
<time>72_00:04:48,762 --> 00:04:49,482</time>
<s>何老师</s>
<time>73_00:04:53,442 --> 00:04:54,162</time>
<s>你没有看到我吗</s>
<time>74_00:04:57,042 --> 00:04:57,402</time>
<s>签这儿吧</s>
<time>75_00:04:58,122 --> 00:04:58,842</time>
<s>这页太光了</s>
<time>76_00:05:07,122 --> 00:05:07,841</time>
<s>你在这儿签了啊</s>
<time>77_00:05:08,922 --> 00:05:10,002</time>
<s>等会儿我要签两个</s>
<time>78_00:05:10,362 --> 00:05:11,082</time>
<s>我前头还要签一个</s>
<time>79_00:05:12,162 --> 00:05:13,242</time>
<s>这个要求不过分吧</s>
<time>80_00:05:20,441 --> 00:05:20,802</time>
<s>你买三本</s>
<time>81_00:05:21,162 --> 00:05:21,522</time>
<s>是三本</s>
<time>82_00:05:23,682 --> 00:05:24,042</time>
<s>您觉得您现在</s>
<time>83_00:05:24,401 --> 00:05:25,842</time>
<s>有特别大的瓶颈吗</s>
<time>84_00:05:28,002 --> 00:05:28,361</time>
<s>瓶颈</s>
<time>85_00:05:28,722 --> 00:05:29,082</time>
<s>您觉得您自己</s>
<time>86_00:05:29,442 --> 00:05:30,162</time>
<s>很平静</s>
<time>87_00:05:30,522 --> 00:05:31,602</time>
<s>我就尽量让我的生活简单</s>
<time>88_00:05:32,322 --> 00:05:32,682</time>
<s>我七十多岁了</s>
<time>89_00:05:33,042 --> 00:05:35,202</time>
<s>我要让自己活得简单一点</s>
<time>90_00:05:35,562 --> 00:05:35,922</time>
<s>省力一点</s>
<time>91_00:05:36,282 --> 00:05:37,362</time>
<s>省事儿一点</s>
<time>92_00:05:37,722 --> 00:05:38,802</time>
<s>工作时间也是非常固定</s>
<time>93_00:05:39,162 --> 00:05:40,962</time>
<s>然后兴趣爱好只有一点点</s>
<time>94_00:05:44,562 --> 00:05:46,722</time>
<s>比如说对自我才能的</s>
<time>95_00:05:47,082 --> 00:05:47,802</time>
<s>因为年轻艺术家</s>
<time>96_00:05:48,162 --> 00:05:51,042</time>
<s>都会有对自我才能的追问嘛</s>
<time>97_00:05:51,401 --> 00:05:52,482</time>
<s>就我是一流的二流的</s>
<time>98_00:05:52,842 --> 00:05:53,562</time>
<s>或者什么这种怀疑啊</s>
<time>99_00:05:55,002 --> 00:05:55,722</time>
<s>我其实很清楚</s>
<time>100_00:05:57,882 --> 00:05:59,322</time>
<s>我可能介于二流一流之间</s>
<time>101_00:06:00,042 --> 00:06:00,402</time>
<s>一点五流是吧</s>
<time>102_00:06:00,762 --> 00:06:01,842</time>
<s>一点五流一点七</s>
<time>103_00:06:02,202 --> 00:06:02,562</time>
<s>一点七</s>
<time>104_00:06:03,642 --> 00:06:04,361</time>
<s>还可以</s>
<time>105_00:06:05,442 --> 00:06:06,522</time>
<s>我对自己其实挺满意了</s>
<time>106_00:06:09,401 --> 00:06:10,482</time>
<s>所以我这个</s>
<time>107_00:06:10,841 --> 00:06:11,922</time>
<s>我觉得特别好的一点</s>
<time>108_00:06:12,282 --> 00:06:13,722</time>
<s>就是其实这个也是对自己好</s>
<time>109_00:06:14,802 --> 00:06:16,602</time>
<s>我对自己没有好高远的要求</s>
<time>110_00:06:17,682 --> 00:06:18,762</time>
<s>比方说陈逸飞先生</s>
<time>111_00:06:19,842 --> 00:06:20,562</time>
<s>我觉得他是累死的</s>
<time>112_00:06:21,282 --> 00:06:22,002</time>
<s>他累死的他画得很好</s>
<time>113_00:06:22,362 --> 00:06:23,082</time>
<s>他的期待特别（高）</s>
<time>114_00:06:23,442 --> 00:06:24,882</time>
<s>然后他去做很多别的事情</s>
<time>115_00:06:25,602 --> 00:06:25,962</time>
<s>你说为什么</s>
<time>116_00:06:26,322 --> 00:06:26,682</time>
<s>他走得太快了</s>
<time>117_00:06:27,042 --> 00:06:28,122</time>
<s>就是他对自己的期望值太高</s>
<time>118_00:06:28,482 --> 00:06:29,562</time>
<s>或者是太自信</s>
<time>119_00:06:29,922 --> 00:06:31,002</time>
<s>就是他觉得他什么都可以做</s>
<time>120_00:06:31,362 --> 00:06:32,082</time>
<s>什么都可以做好</s>
<time>121_00:06:32,442 --> 00:06:33,882</time>
<s>还有最后还去拍电影什么的</s>
<time>122_00:06:35,322 --> 00:06:36,402</time>
<s>这些事轻易不能沾啊</s>
<time>123_00:06:36,762 --> 00:06:37,122</time>
<s>我觉得</s>
<time>124_00:06:38,202 --> 00:06:39,642</time>
<s>但是你你不会羡慕这种</s>
<time>125_00:06:40,002 --> 00:06:41,082</time>
<s>就是某种意义上的盲目性吗</s>
<time>126_00:06:41,442 --> 00:06:41,802</time>
<s>我一点不羡慕</s>
<time>127_00:06:42,522 --> 00:06:43,242</time>
<s>我说你看</s>
<time>128_00:06:43,602 --> 00:06:44,322</time>
<s>我小富即安</s>
<time>129_00:06:44,682 --> 00:06:45,402</time>
<s>我这个人就是这样</s>
<time>130_00:06:46,482 --> 00:06:47,202</time>
<s>我觉得我还可以</s>
<time>131_00:06:47,562 --> 00:06:49,002</time>
<s>画点画就不错了</s>
<time>132_00:06:51,522 --> 00:06:52,962</time>
<s>而且我发现画画特适合我</s>
<time>133_00:06:53,322 --> 00:06:55,122</time>
<s>虽然我喜欢音乐</s>
<time>134_00:06:55,842 --> 00:06:57,642</time>
<s>但是我不可能四岁开始学钢琴</s>
<time>135_00:06:58,002 --> 00:06:58,722</time>
<s>这个太辛苦</s>
<time>136_00:06:59,442 --> 00:06:59,802</time>
<s>这个我做不到</s>
<time>137_00:07:00,162 --> 00:07:00,522</time>
<s>然后呢</s>
<time>138_00:07:01,242 --> 00:07:02,682</time>
<s>我看刘家琨他们那么辛苦</s>
<time>139_00:07:03,042 --> 00:07:03,762</time>
<s>我女儿她们那么辛苦</s>
<time>140_00:07:04,842 --> 00:07:05,562</time>
<s>建筑师很辛苦</s>
<time>141_00:07:06,282 --> 00:07:06,642</time>
<s>太辛苦了</s>
<time>142_00:07:07,362 --> 00:07:07,722</time>
<s>因为他们</s>
<time>143_00:07:08,082 --> 00:07:08,802</time>
<s>比如画画</s>
<time>144_00:07:09,162 --> 00:07:10,242</time>
<s>我从这一笔画到</s>
<time>145_00:07:10,962 --> 00:07:12,042</time>
<s>这个面积画到这个面积</s>
<time>146_00:07:12,402 --> 00:07:13,842</time>
<s>我可以一笔拉过来</s>
<time>147_00:07:14,202 --> 00:07:14,562</time>
<s>建筑不行</s>
<time>148_00:07:15,642 --> 00:07:17,442</time>
<s>你得一毫米一毫米地数过来</s>
<time>149_00:07:18,162 --> 00:07:19,242</time>
<s>一毫米到二十万毫米</s>
<time>150_00:07:20,682 --> 00:07:21,042</time>
<s>它的永远</s>
<time>151_00:07:21,762 --> 00:07:22,482</time>
<s>它的单位是毫米</s>
<time>152_00:07:22,842 --> 00:07:23,562</time>
<s>它连厘米都不能用</s>
<time>153_00:07:23,922 --> 00:07:25,722</time>
<s>要不就塌了</s>
<time>154_00:07:26,082 --> 00:07:26,802</time>
<s>必须是毫米</s>
<time>155_00:07:28,602 --> 00:07:30,042</time>
<s>所以这个你就特别辛苦</s>
<time>156_00:07:30,402 --> 00:07:31,482</time>
<s>它就没有模糊的东西</s>
<time>157_00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:33,282</time>
<s>那不在这种精确性中</s>
<time>158_00:07:33,642 --> 00:07:35,082</time>
<s>获得一种新的快感</s>
<time>159_00:07:36,162 --> 00:07:36,882</time>
<s>这肯定是个快感</s>
<time>160_00:07:37,242 --> 00:07:38,322</time>
<s>我自己都能体会了</s>
<time>161_00:07:38,682 --> 00:07:40,122</time>
<s>但太辛苦</s>
<time>162_00:07:40,482 --> 00:07:41,202</time>
<s>我还是比较懒惰</s>
<time>163_00:07:41,922 --> 00:07:42,642</time>
<s>我对自己还是比较好</s>
<time>164_00:07:43,722 --> 00:07:45,162</time>
<s>就还是你要有吃喝玩乐的时间</s>
<time>165_00:07:46,242 --> 00:07:47,322</time>
<s>你不能全部用在这个上头</s>
<time>166_00:08:01,722 --> 00:08:03,882</time>
<s>你是平时怎么作息呢</s>
<time>167_00:08:04,242 --> 00:08:04,602</time>
<s>您要几点睡呢</s>
<time>168_00:08:04,962 --> 00:08:05,322</time>
<s>我是这样的</s>
<time>169_00:08:06,042 --> 00:08:07,482</time>
<s>我作息非常规律</s>
<time>170_00:08:08,562 --> 00:08:08,922</time>
<s>欧洲时差</s>
<time>171_00:08:10,362 --> 00:08:11,082</time>
<s>晚上两三点睡</s>
<time>172_00:08:11,442 --> 00:08:12,522</time>
<s>然后第二天中午起床</s>
<time>173_00:08:14,322 --> 00:08:14,682</time>
<s>咱俩是一样的</s>
<time>174_00:08:15,042 --> 00:08:15,762</time>
<s>你也是那太好了</s>
<time>175_00:08:16,122 --> 00:08:17,202</time>
<s>而且咋天晚上喝多了</s>
<time>176_00:08:17,562 --> 00:08:17,922</time>
<s>我现在都晕乎乎的</s>
<time>177_00:08:18,282 --> 00:08:19,362</time>
<s>昨天我也是喝多了</s>
<time>178_00:08:21,522 --> 00:08:22,962</time>
<s>你知道我刚才想起一个词</s>
<time>179_00:08:23,322 --> 00:08:23,682</time>
<s>形容你</s>
<time>180_00:08:24,042 --> 00:08:25,122</time>
<s>天才的业余选手</s>
<time>181_00:08:29,442 --> 00:08:30,522</time>
<s>业余选手就很好</s>
<time>182_00:08:31,242 --> 00:08:31,602</time>
<s>而且业余很难的</s>
<time>183_00:08:31,962 --> 00:08:33,042</time>
<s>其实某种意义上</s>
<time>184_00:08:35,922 --> 00:08:37,002</time>
<s>我早就知道</s>
<time>185_00:08:37,721 --> 00:08:38,442</time>
<s>而且我自己会意会到</s>
<time>186_00:08:38,802 --> 00:08:39,162</time>
<s>每一件事情</s>
<time>187_00:08:39,522 --> 00:08:40,961</time>
<s>都必须“松”才做得好</s>
<time>188_00:08:41,322 --> 00:08:44,202</time>
<s>我看傅聪的一个书</s>
<time>189_00:08:44,562 --> 00:08:46,002</time>
<s>他就谈他见了郎朗</s>
<time>190_00:08:46,362 --> 00:08:47,442</time>
<s>他说郎朗的那个手</s>
<time>191_00:08:47,801 --> 00:08:49,242</time>
<s>完全跟没有骨头一样</s>
<time>192_00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:50,681</time>
<s>完全没有骨</s>
<time>193_00:08:51,042 --> 00:08:51,761</time>
<s>这是钢琴家最羡慕的手</s>
<time>194_00:08:52,122 --> 00:08:53,562</time>
<s>就是没骨柔若无骨</s>
<time>195_00:08:54,282 --> 00:08:55,362</time>
<s>你觉得它是软绵绵的</s>
<time>196_00:08:55,722 --> 00:08:57,882</time>
<s>但它发力就是喇一下就上去了</s>
<time>197_00:08:58,602 --> 00:08:58,962</time>
<s>你要是硬的</s>
<time>198_00:08:59,322 --> 00:09:00,042</time>
<s>你就什么都干不成</s>
<time>199_00:09:00,402 --> 00:09:01,122</time>
<s>就是钢琴家一辈子</s>
<time>200_00:09:01,482 --> 00:09:02,562</time>
<s>都在跟松弛斗争</s>
<time>201_00:09:03,282 --> 00:09:04,362</time>
<s>所以我觉得“松”这个词</s>
<time>202_00:09:05,082 --> 00:09:06,162</time>
<s>对所有的领域都是很重要的</s>
<time>203_00:09:07,242 --> 00:09:08,681</time>
<s>你保持一种松弛</s>
<time>204_00:09:09,042 --> 00:09:09,402</time>
<s>你不是“紧”</s>
<time>205_00:09:09,762 --> 00:09:10,842</time>
<s>“紧”什么事都做不好</s>
<time>206_00:09:11,561 --> 00:09:11,922</time>
<s>但是它需要</s>
<time>207_00:09:12,282 --> 00:09:13,362</time>
<s>高度的“紧”之后的“松”</s>
<time>208_00:09:14,801 --> 00:09:15,162</time>
<s>那当然你得有这个</s>
<time>209_00:09:15,521 --> 00:09:16,242</time>
<s>经过这个“紧”阶段</s>
<time>210_00:09:16,602 --> 00:09:16,962</time>
<s>然后“松”下来</s>
<time>211_00:09:17,682 --> 00:09:18,402</time>
<s>有一次在一个场合</s>
<time>212_00:09:18,761 --> 00:09:19,482</time>
<s>我见到林丹</s>
<time>213_00:09:19,842 --> 00:09:20,202</time>
<s>（他）过来跟我握个手</s>
<time>214_00:09:21,641 --> 00:09:22,002</time>
<s>我一握说哇</s>
<time>215_00:09:22,362 --> 00:09:23,802</time>
<s>我说这个运动员的手怎么</s>
<time>216_00:09:24,162 --> 00:09:24,882</time>
<s>软得跟女人一样</s>
<time>217_00:09:25,242 --> 00:09:25,601</time>
<s>那真是这样</s>
<time>218_00:09:25,962 --> 00:09:26,681</time>
<s>特别柔软</s>
<time>219_00:09:27,042 --> 00:09:27,762</time>
<s>这个太有意思了</s>
<time>220_00:09:28,842 --> 00:09:30,642</time>
<s>我就一下我就体会到</s>
<time>221_00:09:31,002 --> 00:09:31,722</time>
<s>就是傅聪说那个</s>
<time>222_00:09:36,042 --> 00:09:36,402</time>
<s>什么叫“松”</s>
<time>223_00:09:41,801 --> 00:09:43,602</time>
<s>包括您说的这种松弛</s>
<time>224_00:09:43,961 --> 00:09:45,042</time>
<s>和深刻的关系是什么</s>
<time>225_00:09:46,122 --> 00:09:46,841</time>
<s>都是相辅相成的</s>
<time>226_00:09:47,202 --> 00:09:47,922</time>
<s>其实都是相辅相成的</s>
<time>227_00:09:49,002 --> 00:09:49,362</time>
<s>你又要松弛</s>
<time>228_00:09:50,082 --> 00:09:50,442</time>
<s>松弛它是一种</s>
<time>229_00:09:50,801 --> 00:09:52,602</time>
<s>有时候是一种技术</s>
<time>230_00:09:53,322 --> 00:09:54,042</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>231_00:09:54,402 --> 00:09:55,842</time>
<s>悲剧性是一种表现</s>
<time>232_00:09:56,922 --> 00:09:58,002</time>
<s>真的你说</s>
<time>233_00:09:58,362 --> 00:09:59,082</time>
<s>人生</s>
<time>234_00:09:59,442 --> 00:10:00,522</time>
<s>该那种</s>
<time>235_00:10:00,881 --> 00:10:01,242</time>
<s>干什么都好</s>
<time>236_00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:02,682</time>
<s>发挥犯错误什么</s>
<time>237_00:10:03,042 --> 00:10:03,761</time>
<s>都有这个机会的时候</s>
<time>238_00:10:04,122 --> 00:10:04,482</time>
<s>你还很“紧”</s>
<time>239_00:10:04,842 --> 00:10:05,561</time>
<s>紧张得不得了</s>
<time>240_00:10:06,282 --> 00:10:07,002</time>
<s>你什么事儿都做不好</s>
<time>241_00:10:08,442 --> 00:10:08,802</time>
<s>然后你</s>
<time>242_00:10:09,882 --> 00:10:10,962</time>
<s>你终于可以放松了</s>
<time>243_00:10:11,322 --> 00:10:12,042</time>
<s>但你又老了</s>
<time>244_00:10:12,402 --> 00:10:13,842</time>
<s>对啥也干不了了</s>
<time>245_00:10:14,202 --> 00:10:14,922</time>
<s>但是不是这个东西就没办法</s>
<time>246_00:10:15,282 --> 00:10:15,642</time>
<s>人生就这样</s>
<time>247_00:10:16,002 --> 00:10:16,362</time>
<s>就是这样</s>
<time>248_00:10:19,602 --> 00:10:20,322</time>
<s>我觉得人类</s>
<time>249_00:10:21,042 --> 00:10:21,762</time>
<s>从根深蒂固的角度</s>
<time>250_00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:23,202</time>
<s>人类应该是悲观的</s>
<time>251_00:10:23,561 --> 00:10:25,002</time>
<s>&l因为宇宙这个产生</s>
<time>252_00:10:26,082 --> 00:10:26,442</time>
<s>是偶然的</s>
<time>253_00:10:26,802 --> 00:10:28,242</time>
<s>&大类产生就更偶然</s>
<time>254_00:10:30,402 --> 00:10:31,841</time>
<s>就是我们都是被殷子掷出来的</s>
<time>255_00:10:32,202 --> 00:10:32,562</time>
<s>都掷般子</s>
<time>256_00:10:32,922 --> 00:10:33,282</time>
<s>掷出来的</s>
<time>257_00:10:33,641 --> 00:10:34,722</time>
<s>而且从掷出来那天</s>
<time>258_00:10:35,082 --> 00:10:35,802</time>
<s>你就开始走向死亡</s>
<time>259_00:10:36,882 --> 00:10:37,962</time>
<s>就这种悲观</s>
<time>260_00:10:38,322 --> 00:10:39,042</time>
<s>假如用非常带有</s>
<time>261_00:10:39,402 --> 00:10:40,122</time>
<s>创造性的方式</s>
<time>262_00:10:40,482 --> 00:10:41,562</time>
<s>把它表现出来</s>
<time>263_00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:43,722</time>
<s>就是展示这种悲观</s>
<time>264_00:10:44,082 --> 00:10:44,801</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>265_00:10:45,162 --> 00:10:45,522</time>
<s>又给人以力量</s>
<time>266_00:10:46,242 --> 00:10:46,602</time>
<s>我觉得这个就是</s>
<time>267_00:10:46,962 --> 00:10:48,042</time>
<s>非常好的悲剧了</s>
<time>268_00:11:11,801 --> 00:11:13,602</time>
<s>我非常喜欢就是</s>
<time>269_00:11:13,962 --> 00:11:15,761</time>
<s>对世界有很多触角的（人）</s>
<time>270_00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:18,282</time>
<s>而且他对每个触角也不太在乎</s>
<time>271_00:11:18,642 --> 00:11:19,722</time>
<s>也不真的把这个一定要</s>
<time>272_00:11:20,082 --> 00:11:21,162</time>
<s>变成某个成就</s>
<time>273_00:11:21,522 --> 00:11:22,961</time>
<s>他身上有一种逃逸的力量</s>
<time>274_00:11:24,402 --> 00:11:25,482</time>
<s>他身上有一种比较“轻”的东西</s>
<time>275_00:11:27,282 --> 00:11:28,362</time>
<s>这种轻盈</s>
<time>276_00:11:31,242 --> 00:11:31,962</time>
<s>但</s>
<time>277_00:11:33,402 --> 00:11:34,841</time>
<s>我觉得一个人不可能没有“重”</s>
<time>278_00:11:35,562 --> 00:11:35,922</time>
<s>他有多么“轻”</s>
<time>279_00:11:36,282 --> 00:11:37,002</time>
<s>他就会有多么“重”</s>
<time>280_00:11:44,922 --> 00:11:46,002</time>
<s>这都是新画的一些系列</s>
<time>281_00:11:47,082 --> 00:11:47,442</time>
<s>都没画完</s>
<time>282_00:11:47,801 --> 00:11:49,602</time>
<s>我的画就是画了就放那儿</s>
<time>283_00:11:50,322 --> 00:11:51,402</time>
<s>哪天想画的时候</s>
<time>284_00:11:52,482 --> 00:11:52,841</time>
<s>拎过来又画</s>
<time>285_00:11:53,922 --> 00:11:55,362</time>
<s>永远永远没完好像</s>
<time>286_00:11:56,442 --> 00:11:57,522</time>
<s>只是你觉得需要完了</s>
<time>287_00:11:57,882 --> 00:11:58,602</time>
<s>需要展览了</s>
<time>288_00:11:58,962 --> 00:11:59,322</time>
<s>或者是</s>
<time>289_00:12:00,042 --> 00:12:01,122</time>
<s>实在是没劲画下去了</s>
<time>290_00:12:02,202 --> 00:12:02,562</time>
<s>也就算完了</s>
<time>291_00:12:05,082 --> 00:12:05,802</time>
<s>那个时候的</s>
<time>292_00:12:06,162 --> 00:12:07,242</time>
<s>小何多苓是什么状态</s>
<time>293_00:12:08,322 --> 00:12:09,042</time>
<s>已经开始画画了</s>
<time>294_00:12:10,122 --> 00:12:11,202</time>
<s>而且还很得意</s>
<time>295_00:12:11,922 --> 00:12:12,642</time>
<s>每天很高兴</s>
<time>296_00:12:13,002 --> 00:12:13,362</time>
<s>不知为什么</s>
<time>297_00:12:16,962 --> 00:12:18,761</time>
<s>最早的现在记得很清楚的</s>
<time>298_00:12:19,122 --> 00:12:20,202</time>
<s>挫败感是什么呢</s>
<time>299_00:12:20,922 --> 00:12:21,642</time>
<s>挫败感</s>
<time>300_00:12:23,442 --> 00:12:24,522</time>
<s>你看我这个人很怪啊</s>
<time>301_00:12:24,882 --> 00:12:25,962</time>
<s>别人最挫败的时候</s>
<time>302_00:12:26,322 --> 00:12:26,682</time>
<s>我不挫败</s>
<time>303_00:12:27,402 --> 00:12:28,122</time>
<s>比方说停课</s>
<time>304_00:12:29,202 --> 00:12:29,922</time>
<s>文革停课</s>
<time>305_00:12:30,642 --> 00:12:31,722</time>
<s>因为我是在七中</s>
<time>306_00:12:32,082 --> 00:12:33,162</time>
<s>成都七中是个重点中学</s>
<time>307_00:12:33,522 --> 00:12:33,882</time>
<s>非常好的中学</s>
<time>308_00:12:34,242 --> 00:12:35,682</time>
<s>我们那同学都是学霸</s>
<time>309_00:12:36,402 --> 00:12:37,122</time>
<s>（他们）崩溃简直是</s>
<time>310_00:12:37,842 --> 00:12:38,922</time>
<s>完蛋了大学考不成了</s>
<time>311_00:12:39,642 --> 00:12:40,722</time>
<s>这么多年白忙活了</s>
<time>312_00:12:41,082 --> 00:12:41,442</time>
<s>因为他们都有目标的</s>
<time>313_00:12:41,802 --> 00:12:42,882</time>
<s>人生都有很大的目标</s>
<time>314_00:12:43,962 --> 00:12:44,322</time>
<s>但是我就</s>
<time>315_00:12:45,762 --> 00:12:46,482</time>
<s>其实我心里松口气</s>
<time>316_00:12:46,842 --> 00:12:47,202</time>
<s>停课了</s>
<time>317_00:12:48,282 --> 00:12:48,642</time>
<s>松口气</s>
<time>318_00:12:49,002 --> 00:12:50,082</time>
<s>你看这个大家都崩溃的时候</s>
<time>319_00:12:50,442 --> 00:12:50,802</time>
<s>我就松口气</s>
<time>320_00:12:51,882 --> 00:12:52,962</time>
<s>第二个节点下乡</s>
<time>321_00:12:54,042 --> 00:12:55,482</time>
<s>那当时我们下乡的时候</s>
<time>322_00:12:55,842 --> 00:12:56,922</time>
<s>那个卡车拉下去的时候</s>
<time>323_00:12:57,282 --> 00:12:58,362</time>
<s>那个场面很悲壮啊</s>
<time>324_00:12:59,442 --> 00:13:00,522</time>
<s>下边家长哭</s>
<time>325_00:13:00,882 --> 00:13:01,962</time>
<s>上边的人也哭</s>
<time>326_00:13:03,042 --> 00:13:05,562</time>
<s>一幅电影场景那种</s>
<time>327_00:13:06,642 --> 00:13:07,722</time>
<s>我简直没有感觉</s>
<time>328_00:13:08,082 --> 00:13:09,162</time>
<s>我这心里窃喜</s>
<time>329_00:13:10,602 --> 00:13:11,322</time>
<s>然后四天四夜</s>
<time>330_00:13:11,682 --> 00:13:12,042</time>
<s>我一路上看的</s>
<time>331_00:13:12,402 --> 00:13:13,122</time>
<s>都是新鲜的东西</s>
<time>332_00:13:13,482 --> 00:13:14,562</time>
<s>顺着往西昌走的时候</s>
<time>333_00:13:14,922 --> 00:13:15,282</time>
<s>一路上</s>
<time>334_00:13:16,362 --> 00:13:17,442</time>
<s>天气和地形就开始改变</s>
<time>335_00:13:18,882 --> 00:13:19,242</time>
<s>山就起来了</s>
<time>336_00:13:20,322 --> 00:13:21,042</time>
<s>然后天就开始晴朗了</s>
<time>337_00:13:21,762 --> 00:13:22,842</time>
<s>风就开始有了</s>
<time>338_00:13:23,562 --> 00:13:24,642</time>
<s>然后那个猪跑得跟狗一样快</s>
<time>339_00:13:25,002 --> 00:13:26,442</time>
<s>这么长的嘴跟野猪一样</s>
<time>340_00:13:27,522 --> 00:13:28,962</time>
<s>哇当时觉得太棒了</s>
<time>341_00:13:29,322 --> 00:13:30,402</time>
<s>我心里就是一阵的狂喜</s>
<time>342_00:13:31,122 --> 00:13:31,482</time>
<s>这个就是狂喜</s>
<time>343_00:13:32,562 --> 00:13:32,922</time>
<s>我一点都不夸张</s>
<time>344_00:13:33,282 --> 00:13:34,002</time>
<s>就是叫狂喜</s>
<time>345_00:13:35,442 --> 00:13:36,522</time>
<s>哪怕开始下地了</s>
<time>346_00:13:36,882 --> 00:13:38,682</time>
<s>分配做农活什么的</s>
<time>347_00:13:39,042 --> 00:13:39,762</time>
<s>我也挺高兴</s>
<time>348_00:13:40,482 --> 00:13:41,562</time>
<s>我觉得这活儿都很好玩</s>
<time>349_00:13:41,922 --> 00:13:42,282</time>
<s>我觉得</s>
<time>350_00:13:42,642 --> 00:13:43,002</time>
<s>我这个人</s>
<time>351_00:13:43,362 --> 00:13:43,722</time>
<s>你干活行吗</s>
<time>352_00:13:44,802 --> 00:13:45,882</time>
<s>我虽然很瘦</s>
<time>353_00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:46,602</time>
<s>但我体力很好</s>
<time>354_00:13:47,682 --> 00:13:48,042</time>
<s>然后那会也年轻嘛</s>
<time>355_00:13:48,402 --> 00:13:48,762</time>
<s>二十岁</s>
<time>356_00:13:49,482 --> 00:13:49,842</time>
<s>干什么都行</s>
<time>357_00:13:50,922 --> 00:13:52,002</time>
<s>然后每天都是周围看来看去</s>
<time>358_00:13:52,362 --> 00:13:53,802</time>
<s>看周围的群山</s>
<time>359_00:13:54,162 --> 00:13:55,242</time>
<s>看这种白云</s>
<time>360_00:13:56,682 --> 00:13:57,762</time>
<s>我们所有同学都不理解我</s>
<time>361_00:13:58,122 --> 00:13:59,202</time>
<s>当然我也没跟他们交流过</s>
<time>362_00:14:00,642 --> 00:14:01,002</time>
<s>然后就</s>
<time>363_00:14:01,722 --> 00:14:02,802</time>
<s>后来不是就是</s>
<time>364_00:14:03,522 --> 00:14:03,882</time>
<s>过了一年之后</s>
<time>365_00:14:04,242 --> 00:14:05,322</time>
<s>就是说</s>
<time>366_00:14:05,682 --> 00:14:07,122</time>
<s>知青可以回城了</s>
<time>367_00:14:07,482 --> 00:14:08,562</time>
<s>视表现而定</s>
<time>368_00:14:08,922 --> 00:14:10,362</time>
<s>所有人趋之若</s>
<time>369_00:14:10,722 --> 00:14:11,082</time>
<s>简直是</s>
<time>370_00:14:11,442 --> 00:14:12,882</time>
<s>想办法让农民推介啊什么的</s>
<time>371_00:14:14,682 --> 00:14:15,042</time>
<s>农民就</s>
<time>372_00:14:15,402 --> 00:14:16,122</time>
<s>农民没有推介我</s>
<time>373_00:14:16,482 --> 00:14:17,922</time>
<s>但是另外一个同学推介了我</s>
<time>374_00:14:18,282 --> 00:14:19,362</time>
<s>原来我们学校的团支部书记</s>
<time>375_00:14:20,082 --> 00:14:21,162</time>
<s>他在这个生产队</s>
<time>376_00:14:21,522 --> 00:14:21,882</time>
<s>有点话语权的</s>
<time>377_00:14:22,242 --> 00:14:24,042</time>
<s>因为他觉得我能画画</s>
<time>378_00:14:24,762 --> 00:14:25,482</time>
<s>也懂点音乐</s>
<time>379_00:14:25,842 --> 00:14:26,202</time>
<s>是不是可以</s>
<time>380_00:14:26,562 --> 00:14:26,922</time>
<s>是个宣传的好手</s>
<time>381_00:14:28,002 --> 00:14:28,722</time>
<s>可以到宣传科去</s>
<time>382_00:14:29,082 --> 00:14:30,162</time>
<s>厂里一听不错啊</s>
<time>383_00:14:30,522 --> 00:14:31,242</time>
<s>这里很少有这样的人</s>
<time>384_00:14:31,962 --> 00:14:32,322</time>
<s>就来找我</s>
<time>385_00:14:33,762 --> 00:14:35,562</time>
<s>我逃掉了我逃跑了</s>
<time>386_00:14:35,922 --> 00:14:37,002</time>
<s>我跑到深山里去了</s>
<time>387_00:14:38,082 --> 00:14:39,162</time>
<s>我藏到大山里去了</s>
<time>388_00:14:40,242 --> 00:14:40,962</time>
<s>到什么县城里去上班</s>
<time>389_00:14:41,322 --> 00:14:41,682</time>
<s>我一点想法都没有</s>
<time>390_00:14:42,042 --> 00:14:43,122</time>
<s>我在这多舒服啊</s>
<time>391_00:14:43,482 --> 00:14:44,562</time>
<s>看着天高云淡</s>
<time>392_00:14:46,002 --> 00:14:47,082</time>
<s>那会儿农民也不管我们了</s>
<time>393_00:14:47,802 --> 00:14:48,162</time>
<s>我也不出工了</s>
<time>394_00:14:48,522 --> 00:14:50,322</time>
<s>然后就每天去弄点吃的</s>
<time>395_00:14:50,682 --> 00:14:51,402</time>
<s>一个人爬到山上</s>
<time>396_00:14:52,482 --> 00:14:53,562</time>
<s>去听那个松涛</s>
<time>397_00:14:53,922 --> 00:14:55,002</time>
<s>我当时真是这样的</s>
<time>398_00:14:55,362 --> 00:14:56,442</time>
<s>说起来好像很做作</s>
<time>399_00:14:56,802 --> 00:14:57,882</time>
<s>但确实如此</s>
<time>400_00:14:58,242 --> 00:14:59,322</time>
<s>你真的没有那些苦闷吗</s>
<time>401_00:14:59,682 --> 00:15:00,042</time>
<s>没有啊</s>
<time>402_00:15:00,402 --> 00:15:00,762</time>
<s>我那会儿高兴得很</s>
<time>403_00:15:01,122 --> 00:15:01,482</time>
<s>这太奇怪了</s>
<time>404_00:15:01,842 --> 00:15:03,282</time>
<s>周围那个自然对我的影响</s>
<time>405_00:15:03,642 --> 00:15:04,362</time>
<s>超过一切</s>
<time>406_00:15:05,442 --> 00:15:06,522</time>
<s>我们那地方那种风土</s>
<time>407_00:15:07,242 --> 00:15:07,602</time>
<s>还有人情</s>
<time>408_00:15:07,962 --> 00:15:08,682</time>
<s>就是包括彝族人</s>
<time>409_00:15:09,402 --> 00:15:10,482</time>
<s>我经常去看彝族人</s>
<time>410_00:15:11,562 --> 00:15:12,282</time>
<s>我觉得他们很神秘</s>
<time>411_00:15:12,642 --> 00:15:13,002</time>
<s>这些人</s>
<time>412_00:15:13,362 --> 00:15:14,082</time>
<s>很神秘</s>
<time>413_00:15:15,522 --> 00:15:15,882</time>
<s>那时候也不担心</s>
<time>414_00:15:16,242 --> 00:15:16,602</time>
<s>可能真的一辈子</s>
<time>415_00:15:16,962 --> 00:15:17,682</time>
<s>就留在那儿了吗</s>
<time>416_00:15:18,762 --> 00:15:19,482</time>
<s>我完全不操这个心</s>
<time>417_00:15:20,202 --> 00:15:20,922</time>
<s>觉得就一辈子了</s>
<time>418_00:15:21,282 --> 00:15:22,362</time>
<s>我有可能一辈子在这儿了</s>
<time>419_00:15:23,442 --> 00:15:24,522</time>
<s>有书看可以画点画</s>
<time>420_00:15:25,602 --> 00:15:26,682</time>
<s>可以研究一下乐谱</s>
<time>421_00:15:27,402 --> 00:15:28,842</time>
<s>就是什么《红色娘子军》</s>
<time>422_00:15:29,202 --> 00:15:29,922</time>
<s>什么《智取威虎山》</s>
<time>423_00:15:30,282 --> 00:15:31,002</time>
<s>那都是正规的</s>
<time>424_00:15:31,362 --> 00:15:31,722</time>
<s>乐队谱</s>
<time>425_00:15:32,082 --> 00:15:33,522</time>
<s>当时哎呀可惜弄丢了那些东西</s>
<time>426_00:15:33,882 --> 00:15:35,322</time>
<s>现在我都没有找到</s>
<time>427_00:15:36,762 --> 00:15:37,122</time>
<s>看这些</s>
<time>428_00:15:37,842 --> 00:15:38,562</time>
<s>简直就没什么来往</s>
<time>429_00:15:38,922 --> 00:15:39,642</time>
<s>跟外界没联系</s>
<time>430_00:15:40,002 --> 00:15:41,082</time>
<s>我就一个人这么待着</s>
<time>431_00:15:41,802 --> 00:15:42,882</time>
<s>每天出去爬爬山</s>
<time>432_00:15:43,242 --> 00:15:45,402</time>
<s>然后拿着那个《外国民歌200首》</s>
<time>433_00:15:45,762 --> 00:15:46,842</time>
<s>没事的时候从头唱到尾</s>
<time>434_00:15:47,562 --> 00:15:47,922</time>
<s>有些歌我到现在</s>
<time>435_00:15:48,282 --> 00:15:49,362</time>
<s>没听过官方的唱法</s>
<time>436_00:15:52,242 --> 00:15:54,042</time>
<s>其实是非常错乱的一个世界</s>
<time>437_00:15:54,762 --> 00:15:55,482</time>
<s>啊错乱错乱</s>
<time>438_00:16:23,202 --> 00:16:23,922</time>
<s>要是当时学了作曲</s>
