<time>880_00:31:27,882 --> 00:31:28,602</time>
<s>我当时很挠头</s>
<time>881_00:31:28,962 --> 00:31:29,682</time>
<s>我那个毕业论文</s>
<time>882_00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:30,762</time>
<s>我准备了很长时间</s>
<time>883_00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:33,282</time>
<s>平面视觉与那个</s>
<time>884_00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:34,722</time>
<s>三维空间的关系</s>
<time>885_00:31:35,082 --> 00:31:37,242</time>
<s>我在谈这个问题</s>
<time>886_00:31:37,602 --> 00:31:38,682</time>
<s>但是那个</s>
<time>887_00:31:40,122 --> 00:31:41,202</time>
<s>突然就说你不用搞了</s>
<time>888_00:31:42,642 --> 00:31:43,002</time>
<s>你不用搞了</s>
<time>889_00:31:43,362 --> 00:31:43,722</time>
<s>那我那个</s>
<time>890_00:31:45,882 --> 00:31:46,962</time>
<s>原来那么重要的一个东西</s>
<time>891_00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:49,122</time>
<s>在发生这样的一件事情之后</s>
<time>892_00:31:49,482 --> 00:31:50,202</time>
<s>其实也就</s>
<time>893_00:31:50,562 --> 00:31:50,922</time>
<s>不重要了</s>
<time>894_00:31:51,282 --> 00:31:52,002</time>
<s>那什么是重要的</s>
<time>895_00:31:54,522 --> 00:31:55,242</time>
<s>其实那个时候我已经</s>
<time>896_00:31:55,602 --> 00:31:57,042</time>
<s>开始拍了《香火》</s>
<time>897_00:31:57,762 --> 00:31:59,202</time>
<s>只有3万块钱拍摄（资金）</s>
<time>898_00:32:00,282 --> 00:32:01,002</time>
<s>最开始不是那样的</s>
<time>899_00:32:02,082 --> 00:32:03,522</time>
<s>Ne有150万的投资承诺</s>
<time>900_00:32:05,322 --> 00:32:06,042</time>
<s>就我当时以为</s>
<time>901_00:32:06,762 --> 00:32:08,202</time>
<s>我可以好好拍一个</s>
<time>902_00:32:09,642 --> 00:32:11,442</time>
<s>胶片的故事</s>
<time>903_00:32:11,802 --> 00:32:12,882</time>
<s>对你也不会在等待了</s>
<time>904_00:32:13,242 --> 00:32:13,962</time>
<s>对你到这了</s>
<time>905_00:32:14,322 --> 00:32:17,562</time>
<s>你非得强求等着那个人来</s>
<time>906_00:32:17,922 --> 00:32:18,282</time>
<s>或者怎么样</s>
<time>907_00:32:18,642 --> 00:32:19,722</time>
<s>我就从来不做这种事</s>
<time>908_00:32:20,802 --> 00:32:21,522</time>
<s>我就说</s>
<time>909_00:32:21,882 --> 00:32:22,962</time>
<s>可能机缘会过去</s>
<time>910_00:32:23,322 --> 00:32:24,762</time>
<s>那你现在就是这个命</s>
<time>911_00:32:25,122 --> 00:32:25,842</time>
<s>你现在刚好到这了</s>
<time>912_00:32:26,202 --> 00:32:27,282</time>
<s>既然没有命请到大明星</s>
<time>913_00:32:27,642 --> 00:32:29,082</time>
<s>那就好小明星</s>
<time>914_00:32:29,442 --> 00:32:30,522</time>
<s>没有小明星好</s>
<time>915_00:32:32,322 --> 00:32:32,682</time>
<s>都可以</s>
<time>916_00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:34,482</time>
<s>就是只要是我们</s>
<time>917_00:32:34,842 --> 00:32:35,922</time>
<s>在今天这个时间</s>
<time>918_00:32:36,282 --> 00:32:37,362</time>
<s>去发生这件事情</s>
<time>919_00:32:37,722 --> 00:32:39,162</time>
<s>我更尊重这个事情</s>
<time>920_00:32:39,882 --> 00:32:41,322</time>
<s>没有人比时间大</s>
<time>921_00:32:42,762 --> 00:32:44,202</time>
<s>没有人比时间更大</s>
<time>922_00:32:47,082 --> 00:32:48,522</time>
<s>而且我觉得就是说在</s>
<time>923_00:32:48,882 --> 00:32:50,322</time>
<s>二次世界大战以后</s>
<time>924_00:32:50,682 --> 00:32:52,482</time>
<s>很多的艺术作品都</s>
<time>925_00:32:52,842 --> 00:32:53,922</time>
<s>特别地强调人</s>
<time>926_00:32:54,282 --> 00:32:55,362</time>
<s>因为</s>
<time>927_00:32:55,722 --> 00:32:59,322</time>
<s>战争确实带来了巨大的破坏</s>
<time>928_00:32:59,682 --> 00:33:00,042</time>
<s>都在尊重</s>
<time>929_00:33:00,402 --> 00:33:01,482</time>
<s>人道主义</s>
<time>930_00:33:01,842 --> 00:33:03,642</time>
<s>人文主义的</s>
<time>931_00:33:04,722 --> 00:33:05,802</time>
<s>跟人有关的东西</s>
<time>932_00:33:06,162 --> 00:33:06,882</time>
<s>跟人性</s>
<time>933_00:33:07,242 --> 00:33:08,322</time>
<s>它被推到了一个特别</s>
<time>934_00:33:08,682 --> 00:33:09,402</time>
<s>特别高的位置</s>
<time>935_00:33:09,762 --> 00:33:11,562</time>
<s>然后我们就开始相信</s>
<time>936_00:33:11,922 --> 00:33:12,642</time>
<s>我们很厉害</s>
<time>937_00:33:14,442 --> 00:33:15,162</time>
<s>人类很伟大</s>
<time>938_00:33:15,522 --> 00:33:16,242</time>
<s>然后</s>
<time>939_00:33:17,322 --> 00:33:18,762</time>
<s>我们只要改变了生活中的</s>
<time>940_00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:20,562</time>
<s>某些小的性格问题</s>
<time>941_00:33:20,922 --> 00:33:22,362</time>
<s>王子和公主就可以</s>
<time>942_00:33:22,722 --> 00:33:24,162</time>
<s>幸福地生活在一起了</s>
<time>943_00:33:25,242 --> 00:33:25,962</time>
<s>我们就完美了</s>
<time>944_00:33:26,322 --> 00:33:27,042</time>
<s>我们就充满力量了</s>
<time>945_00:33:27,402 --> 00:33:28,482</time>
<s>就拥有幸福了</s>
<time>946_00:33:28,842 --> 00:33:29,922</time>
<s>我觉得这个背后都暗藏着</s>
<time>947_00:33:30,282 --> 00:33:32,082</time>
<s>一种人类自身的狂妄</s>
<time>948_00:33:33,162 --> 00:33:33,882</time>
<s>其实</s>
<time>949_00:33:35,322 --> 00:33:35,682</time>
<s>人有</s>
<time>950_00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:37,842</time>
<s>更大的。</s>
<time>951_00:33:38,202 --> 00:33:39,282</time>
<s>控制不了的东西</s>
<time>952_00:33:41,082 --> 00:33:41,802</time>
<s>或者人能控制东西</s>
<time>953_00:33:42,162 --> 00:33:43,242</time>
<s>是太可笑了</s>
<time>954_00:33:56,922 --> 00:33:57,642</time>
<s>小舅</s>
<time>955_00:34:00,162 --> 00:34:01,962</time>
<s>你们还是不信</s>
<time>956_00:34:04,482 --> 00:34:05,562</time>
<s>你们爱信不信</s>
<time>957_00:34:07,002 --> 00:34:09,162</time>
<s>我觉得那个浮字还可以剪短</s>
<time>958_00:34:09,522 --> 00:34:11,681</time>
<s>那行我记一下长了</s>
<time>959_00:34:32,922 --> 00:34:35,442</time>
<s>这个阶段确实比之前难</s>
<time>960_00:34:35,802 --> 00:34:38,682</time>
<s>大环境在发生着变化</s>
<time>961_00:34:40,122 --> 00:34:41,922</time>
<s>我觉得大家可能都在寻找这个</s>
<time>962_00:34:43,002 --> 00:34:44,442</time>
<s>变化之后的状态</s>
<time>963_00:34:45,882 --> 00:34:47,322</time>
<s>从我个人的浅薄的理解</s>
<time>964_00:34:47,682 --> 00:34:49,482</time>
<s>我觉得都是在期待着生产力的</s>
<time>965_00:34:50,201 --> 00:34:50,562</time>
<s>再进一步</s>
<time>966_00:34:51,642 --> 00:34:52,362</time>
<s>生产力如果没跨出那一步</s>
<time>967_00:34:52,722 --> 00:34:53,802</time>
<s>很可能你这个</s>
<time>968_00:34:54,882 --> 00:34:56,322</time>
<s>你这个思想的领域</s>
<time>969_00:34:56,682 --> 00:34:57,761</time>
<s>是很难同步</s>
<time>970_00:34:58,122 --> 00:34:58,841</time>
<s>跟上的</s>
<time>971_00:35:01,722 --> 00:35:02,442</time>
<s>因为我觉得人类</s>
<time>972_00:35:02,802 --> 00:35:03,882</time>
<s>在它的这个发展过程中</s>
<time>973_00:35:04,241 --> 00:35:04,962</time>
<s>实际上是</s>
<time>974_00:35:05,322 --> 00:35:07,122</time>
<s>你看它的几次</s>
<time>975_00:35:07,482 --> 00:35:08,922</time>
<s>文化的艺术的高峰</s>
<time>976_00:35:10,362 --> 00:35:11,082</time>
<s>差不多都出现在</s>
<time>977_00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:12,162</time>
<s>它生产力转型</s>
<time>978_00:35:12,522 --> 00:35:13,602</time>
<s>和升级迭代的</s>
<time>979_00:35:13,962 --> 00:35:14,321</time>
<s>过程中</s>
<time>980_00:35:16,122 --> 00:35:17,202</time>
<s>也不完全是吧</s>
<time>981_00:35:17,562 --> 00:35:19,002</time>
<s>也有很多技术革命</s>
<time>982_00:35:20,442 --> 00:35:20,802</time>
<s>它是建立在</s>
<time>983_00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,241</time>
<s>思想革命之后的</s>
<time>984_00:35:22,602 --> 00:35:23,322</time>
<s>比方说呢</s>
<time>985_00:35:25,122 --> 00:35:25,841</time>
<s>牛顿被砸</s>
<time>986_00:35:26,201 --> 00:35:28,002</time>
<s>它没有什么生产力革命</s>
<time>987_00:35:28,722 --> 00:35:30,522</time>
<s>它是人的认知发生了变化</s>
<time>988_00:35:30,882 --> 00:35:33,042</time>
<s>思想建立在物质变革之上</s>
<time>989_00:35:33,402 --> 00:35:34,122</time>
<s>我觉得这套逻辑</s>
<time>990_00:35:34,482 --> 00:35:35,922</time>
<s>它对人的主体意识的</s>
<time>991_00:35:36,282 --> 00:35:37,722</time>
<s>独立性自足性</s>
<time>992_00:35:38,082 --> 00:35:38,802</time>
<s>都忽略了</s>
<time>993_00:35:39,161 --> 00:35:39,522</time>
<s>是有问题的</s>
<time>994_00:35:39,882 --> 00:35:40,962</time>
<s>至少是不全面的</s>
<time>995_00:35:42,402 --> 00:35:43,842</time>
<s>我同意你这个观点</s>
<time>996_00:35:44,201 --> 00:35:46,002</time>
<s>如果从微观的角度来说</s>
<time>997_00:35:46,361 --> 00:35:47,802</time>
<s>科学家与艺术家非常相近</s>
<time>998_00:35:48,162 --> 00:35:48,882</time>
<s>他们是一类人其实</s>
<time>999_00:35:49,241 --> 00:35:49,602</time>
<s>科学家实际上是</s>
<time>1000_00:35:49,962 --> 00:35:50,682</time>
<s>靠想象力解决的</s>
<time>1001_00:35:51,042 --> 00:35:51,402</time>
<s>当然当然当然</s>
<time>1002_00:35:51,761 --> 00:35:52,482</time>
<s>科学和艺术</s>
<time>1003_00:35:52,842 --> 00:35:53,922</time>
<s>是人类的两个脚</s>
<time>1004_00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:55,002</time>
<s>从两个维度上去</s>
<time>1005_00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:56,442</time>
<s>探索这个世界</s>
<time>1006_00:35:56,802 --> 00:35:57,162</time>
<s>但是它</s>
<time>1007_00:35:57,522 --> 00:35:57,882</time>
<s>你如果放在</s>
<time>1008_00:35:58,241 --> 00:36:00,042</time>
<s>一个社会学结构上来看</s>
<time>1009_00:36:01,482 --> 00:36:03,281</time>
<s>人类有很可岭的地方</s>
<time>1010_00:36:03,642 --> 00:36:04,722</time>
<s>它老有一种叫做</s>
<time>1011_00:36:05,802 --> 00:36:07,242</time>
<s>眼见为实的实证论</s>
<time>1012_00:36:08,682 --> 00:36:09,402</time>
<s>如果它没有一个</s>
<time>1013_00:36:09,762 --> 00:36:10,482</time>
<s>特别的那种</s>
<time>1014_00:36:11,922 --> 00:36:13,361</time>
<s>他眼睛看到的那个部分</s>
<time>1015_00:36:13,721 --> 00:36:15,522</time>
<s>它形成不了一种社会层面的</s>
<time>1016_00:36:16,242 --> 00:36:16,602</time>
<s>共识</s>
<time>1017_00:36:18,401 --> 00:36:20,201</time>
<s>如果没有实证的可行性</s>
<time>1018_00:36:20,562 --> 00:36:23,442</time>
<s>在艺术领域它是不会得到接纳</s>
<time>1019_00:36:23,802 --> 00:36:25,241</time>
<s>因为艺术必须有最后一个环节</s>
<time>1020_00:36:25,602 --> 00:36:26,322</time>
<s>是艺术交流</s>
<time>1021_00:36:26,682 --> 00:36:28,122</time>
<s>艺术交流最后被接纳的</s>
<time>1022_00:36:28,842 --> 00:36:29,922</time>
<s>实际上是</s>
<time>1023_00:36:30,282 --> 00:36:32,442</time>
<s>要在整个社会的那种思想当中</s>
<time>1024_00:36:32,802 --> 00:36:35,321</time>
<s>要具备一定的潜意识</s>
<time>1025_00:36:35,682 --> 00:36:36,402</time>
<s>社会潜意识那种基础</s>
<time>1026_00:36:36,761 --> 00:36:37,482</time>
<s>但我觉得作为一个艺术家</s>
<time>1027_00:36:37,842 --> 00:36:38,922</time>
<s>他也不应该同步</s>
<time>1028_00:36:39,281 --> 00:36:41,082</time>
<s>他们是用直觉感受力</s>
<time>1029_00:36:41,442 --> 00:36:42,522</time>
<s>帮我们去理解一个</s>
<time>1030_00:36:42,882 --> 00:36:45,042</time>
<s>我们没有意识到的东西</s>
<time>1031_00:36:45,402 --> 00:36:45,762</time>
<s>为什么莫奈</s>
<time>1032_00:36:46,122 --> 00:36:47,922</time>
<s>他怎么这么观察这个世界呢</s>
<time>1033_00:36:48,282 --> 00:36:48,642</time>
<s>（海上日出)怎么是（那种）红呢</s>
<time>1034_00:36:51,162 --> 00:36:52,962</time>
<s>我的理解是这样的</s>
<time>1035_00:36:54,402 --> 00:36:55,482</time>
<s>识其时行其运</s>
<time>1036_00:36:55,842 --> 00:36:56,562</time>
<s>知其命守其位</s>
<time>1037_00:36:57,642 --> 00:36:59,082</time>
<s>就是天时是什么</s>
<time>1038_00:36:59,442 --> 00:37:00,882</time>
<s>和那个大时代是什么</s>
<time>1039_00:37:01,962 --> 00:37:02,322</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>1040_00:37:02,682 --> 00:37:03,402</time>
<s>这我当然同意了</s>
<time>1041_00:37:05,202 --> 00:37:06,282</time>
<s>就像因为我十年前</s>
<time>1042_00:37:06,642 --> 00:37:07,721</time>
<s>总是关注荒诞性</s>
<time>1043_00:37:08,082 --> 00:37:08,442</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1044_00:37:08,802 --> 00:37:09,162</time>
<s>觉得这个世界</s>
<time>1045_00:37:09,522 --> 00:37:12,761</time>
<s>想拍很多荒诞的东西</s>
<time>1046_00:37:13,482 --> 00:37:16,002</time>
<s>现在荒诞还是不是最紧迫的</s>
<time>1047_00:37:18,161 --> 00:37:18,882</time>
<s>我个人其实是</s>
<time>1048_00:37:19,242 --> 00:37:19,962</time>
<s>比较怀疑了</s>
<time>1049_00:37:20,321 --> 00:37:21,402</time>
<s>就是说那荒诞</s>
<time>1050_00:37:21,762 --> 00:37:22,482</time>
<s>还是不是唯一</s>
<time>1051_00:37:22,842 --> 00:37:24,281</time>
<s>真的最有价值的</s>
<time>1052_00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:26,442</time>
<s>能够挚住世界</s>
<time>1053_00:37:26,802 --> 00:37:28,242</time>
<s>这个命脉的这个部分</s>
<time>1054_00:37:28,602 --> 00:37:30,761</time>
<s>我就觉得不一定</s>
<time>1055_00:37:31,122 --> 00:37:31,842</time>
<s>你觉得荒诞更深层的意义</s>
<time>1056_00:37:32,201 --> 00:37:32,922</time>
<s>到底是什么呢</s>
<time>1057_00:37:33,282 --> 00:37:34,362</time>
<s>荒诞本身</s>
<time>1058_00:37:34,722 --> 00:37:35,802</time>
<s>我觉得它就是解构主义</s>
<time>1059_00:37:36,882 --> 00:37:37,602</time>
<s>它的方式是</s>
<time>1060_00:37:39,402 --> 00:37:40,122</time>
<s>不信任任何一方</s>
<time>1061_00:37:40,842 --> 00:37:41,922</time>
<s>所以它跳出来</s>
<time>1062_00:37:42,282 --> 00:37:43,002</time>
<s>它从旁边去说</s>
<time>1063_00:37:43,362 --> 00:37:44,442</time>
<s>真的是这样的吗</s>
<time>1064_00:37:44,802 --> 00:37:45,162</time>
<s>它从旁边去</s>
<time>1065_00:37:45,522 --> 00:37:46,241</time>
<s>观察的时候</s>
<time>1066_00:37:46,602 --> 00:37:48,402</time>
<s>它更偏向于质疑</s>
<time>1067_00:37:48,762 --> 00:37:49,122</time>
<s>现代性</s>
<time>1068_00:37:49,482 --> 00:37:50,562</time>
<s>所以它一定是在</s>
<time>1069_00:37:52,002 --> 00:37:53,441</time>
<s>某个层面消解</s>
<time>1070_00:37:53,802 --> 00:37:55,241</time>
<s>瓦解人的意义</s>
<time>1071_00:37:55,602 --> 00:37:56,322</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>1072_00:37:56,681 --> 00:37:58,122</time>
<s>今天我们这个社会</s>
<time>1073_00:37:58,482 --> 00:37:59,922</time>
<s>越来越不</s>
<time>1074_00:38:01,722 --> 00:38:02,802</time>
<s>统一的声音</s>
<time>1075_00:38:03,162 --> 00:38:05,322</time>
<s>越来越有各方的意见</s>
<time>1076_00:38:06,042 --> 00:38:06,402</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>1077_00:38:07,122 --> 00:38:07,842</time>
<s>其实这个问题</s>
<time>1078_00:38:08,202 --> 00:38:09,642</time>
<s>是摆在整个人类面前的</s>
<time>1079_00:38:10,722 --> 00:38:11,082</time>
<s>因为这个新的状况</s>
<time>1080_00:38:11,442 --> 00:38:12,881</time>
<s>一定要做出新的</s>
<time>1081_00:38:13,962 --> 00:38:16,482</time>
<s>肯定是新的调整和新的方式</s>
<time>1082_00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:19,722</time>
<s>拆解并不是一个积极的方式</s>
<time>1083_00:38:20,082 --> 00:38:21,522</time>
<s>可能某些建构的部分</s>
<time>1084_00:38:21,882 --> 00:38:22,602</time>
<s>其实</s>
<time>1085_00:38:23,682 --> 00:38:24,402</time>
<s>就越来越紧迫</s>
<time>1086_00:38:24,762 --> 00:38:26,201</time>
<s>和越来越有必要了</s>
<time>1087_00:38:27,642 --> 00:38:28,002</time>
<s>那这种建构</s>
<time>1088_00:38:28,361 --> 00:38:30,162</time>
<s>你找到一种最适合你的方式了吗</s>
<time>1089_00:38:33,762 --> 00:38:34,842</time>
<s>我觉得可能是</s>
<time>1090_00:38:35,202 --> 00:38:35,922</time>
<s>在我个人看</s>
<time>1091_00:38:36,281 --> 00:38:38,442</time>
<s>我觉得两种东西有价值</s>
<time>1092_00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:41,322</time>
<s>一种是说你</s>
<time>1093_00:38:42,762 --> 00:38:45,642</time>
<s>特别本体和个体的一个东西</s>
<time>1094_00:38:46,002 --> 00:38:48,882</time>
<s>就说你为自己做的这个事情</s>
<time>1095_00:38:49,241 --> 00:38:50,322</time>
<s>还有一种就说</s>
<time>1096_00:38:50,681 --> 00:38:51,042</time>
<s>你能够找到</s>
<time>1097_00:38:51,402 --> 00:38:53,562</time>
<s>找到某些群体共识的东西</s>
<time>1098_00:38:54,642 --> 00:38:56,082</time>
<s>但这两点它有一个目标</s>
<time>1099_00:38:57,162 --> 00:38:57,882</time>
<s>切真</s>
<time>1100_00:38:58,602 --> 00:38:58,962</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1101_00:38:59,322 --> 00:39:00,042</time>
<s>你达到了真相的</s>
<time>1102_00:39:00,402 --> 00:39:00,762</time>
<s>这个部分的时候</s>
<time>1103_00:39:01,122 --> 00:39:02,562</time>
<s>你就最开心</s>
<time>1104_00:39:02,922 --> 00:39:04,362</time>
<s>观众看了也最开心</s>
<time>1105_00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:06,522</time>
<s>而在那一刻实际上是</s>
<time>1106_00:39:06,881 --> 00:39:08,682</time>
<s>观众与作者之间达到了一个沟通</s>
<time>1107_00:39:10,482 --> 00:39:11,202</time>
<s>我经常仔细研究观众的</s>
<time>1108_00:39:11,562 --> 00:39:12,642</time>
<s>那个会心一笑的部分</s>
<time>1109_00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:14,082</time>
<s>那个会心一笑往往其实</s>
<time>1110_00:39:14,442 --> 00:39:15,162</time>
<s>那件事不可笑</s>
<time>1111_00:39:15,522 --> 00:39:16,602</time>
<s>可是观众往往觉得</s>
<time>1112_00:39:16,962 --> 00:39:17,682</time>
<s>生活就是这样</s>
<time>1113_00:39:18,762 --> 00:39:19,482</time>
<s>这个人到这儿的</s>
<time>1114_00:39:19,842 --> 00:39:20,562</time>
<s>这个反应是真的</s>
<time>1115_00:39:22,002 --> 00:39:23,442</time>
<s>其实是切中了某种真实</s>
<time>1116_00:39:23,802 --> 00:39:24,162</time>
<s>因为他有同感</s>
<time>1117_00:39:24,522 --> 00:39:27,042</time>
<s>他就是我也会那样</s>
<time>1118_00:39:27,402 --> 00:39:27,761</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>1119_00:39:28,122 --> 00:39:30,642</time>
<s>当时的那个说</s>
<time>1120_00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:33,882</time>
<s>包世宏最后把他的那个</s>
<time>1121_00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:35,322</time>
<s>真的一块石头</s>
<time>1122_00:39:35,682 --> 00:39:37,482</time>
<s>当成假的送给他媳妇</s>
<time>1123_00:39:38,202 --> 00:39:38,922</time>
<s>就是你得到那个奖励</s>
<time>1124_00:39:39,282 --> 00:39:42,162</time>
<s>完全也并不在一个真正的</s>
<time>1125_00:39:42,522 --> 00:39:43,962</time>
<s>你所认为的奖励的意义之内</s>
<time>1126_00:39:44,321 --> 00:39:45,762</time>
<s>你或知或不知</s>
<time>1127_00:39:46,122 --> 00:39:47,201</time>
<s>因为生活的真实</s>
<time>1128_00:39:47,562 --> 00:39:48,282</time>
<s>其实永远是</s>
<time>1129_00:39:48,642 --> 00:39:50,082</time>
<s>每个人都很怀疑自己的收获</s>
<time>1130_00:39:50,442 --> 00:39:51,162</time>
<s>真正是不是收获</s>
<time>1131_00:39:51,882 --> 00:39:52,602</time>
<s>它就是很难对位</s>
<time>1132_00:39:52,962 --> 00:39:54,042</time>
<s>那就是一种真实</s>
<time>1133_00:39:54,402 --> 00:39:55,122</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>1134_00:39:55,482 --> 00:39:55,842</time>
<s>所以其实就是</s>
<time>1135_00:39:56,202 --> 00:39:58,002</time>
<s>你能切中到那个部分的时候</s>
<time>1136_00:39:59,082 --> 00:40:01,241</time>
<s>观众就会有一种共鸣的</s>
<time>1137_00:40:01,962 --> 00:40:02,322</time>
<s>那它是真的</s>
<time>1138_00:40:02,682 --> 00:40:03,402</time>
<s>这个世界是真的</s>
<time>1139_00:40:04,842 --> 00:40:05,922</time>
<s>在这个基础上</s>
<time>1140_00:40:06,282 --> 00:40:08,082</time>
<s>如果能够持续地切真</s>
<time>1141_00:40:08,442 --> 00:40:09,882</time>
<s>那么这个就是有价值的</s>
<time>1142_00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:11,322</time>
<s>而且非常了不得事情了</s>
<time>1143_00:40:11,682 --> 00:40:12,402</time>
<s>持续切真</s>
<time>1144_00:40:12,762 --> 00:40:13,841</time>
<s>那是一个多么高级的事情</s>
<time>1145_00:40:14,202 --> 00:40:15,282</time>
<s>或者你自己就会永远</s>
<time>1146_00:40:15,642 --> 00:40:16,362</time>
<s>会乐此不疲</s>
<time>1147_00:40:17,082 --> 00:40:17,442</time>
<s>然后</s>
<time>1148_00:40:17,802 --> 00:40:18,522</time>
<s>就是说</s>
<time>1149_00:40:18,881 --> 00:40:20,682</time>
<s>搞艺术的原因是什么</s>
<time>1150_00:40:21,042 --> 00:40:22,122</time>
<s>我觉得今天这个时代</s>
<time>1151_00:40:22,482 --> 00:40:22,842</time>
<s>人与人的</s>
<time>1152_00:40:23,202 --> 00:40:24,282</time>
<s>那个个体之间界线</s>
<time>1153_00:40:24,642 --> 00:40:25,362</time>
<s>很难打破</s>
<time>1154_00:40:25,721 --> 00:40:26,442</time>
<s>大家都很孤独</s>
<time>1155_00:40:27,522 --> 00:40:28,602</time>
<s>你只不过在那一瞬间</s>
<time>1156_00:40:28,962 --> 00:40:29,682</time>
<s>建立了某种</s>
<time>1157_00:40:30,042 --> 00:40:31,122</time>
<s>那个点上说</s>
<time>1158_00:40:31,482 --> 00:40:32,562</time>
<s>他跟我的想法是一样的</s>
<time>1159_00:40:32,922 --> 00:40:34,722</time>
<s>这时我们产生了某种共振</s>
<time>1160_00:40:35,082 --> 00:40:35,442</time>
<s>那大家就会觉得</s>
<time>1161_00:40:35,802 --> 00:40:36,882</time>
<s>没有那么孤独</s>
<time>1162_00:40:38,682 --> 00:40:40,122</time>
<s>我觉得这是艺术品的</s>
<time>1163_00:40:40,482 --> 00:40:41,202</time>
<s>功能吧</s>
<time>1164_00:40:42,642 --> 00:40:44,802</time>
<s>就是大家都去看电影</s>
<time>1165_00:40:45,522 --> 00:40:46,242</time>
<s>咱们俩老面对面聊天</s>
<time>1166_00:40:46,602 --> 00:40:49,122</time>
<s>时间长了是压力非常大事</s>
<time>1167_00:40:49,482 --> 00:40:50,562</time>
<s>咱们一起去转过来看</s>
<time>1168_00:40:50,922 --> 00:40:51,642</time>
<s>看那</s>
<time>1169_00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:53,082</time>
<s>完了出来骂这个导演</s>
<time>1170_00:40:53,802 --> 00:40:55,242</time>
<s>这时候我们俩就产生了共鸣</s>
<time>1171_00:40:55,962 --> 00:40:56,322</time>
<s>这是共同体</s>
<time>1172_00:40:56,682 --> 00:40:57,042</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1173_00:40:57,762 --> 00:40:58,482</time>
<s>我们有共同的敌人</s>
<time>1174_00:40:58,842 --> 00:40:59,922</time>
<s>我们两个在这瞬间</s>
<time>1175_00:41:00,281 --> 00:41:02,082</time>
<s>产生了不孤独的共鸣</s>
<time>1176_00:41:03,162 --> 00:41:03,522</time>
<s>所以大家一起笑的时候</s>
<time>1177_00:41:03,882 --> 00:41:05,682</time>
<s>是一个多么动人的瞬间</s>
<time>1178_00:41:06,042 --> 00:41:06,401</time>
<s>对对对</s>
<time>1179_00:41:06,762 --> 00:41:08,562</time>
<s>其实是感受到了并不孤独</s>
<time>1180_00:41:08,922 --> 00:41:10,002</time>
<s>那个生物之间的</s>
<time>1181_00:41:10,361 --> 00:41:11,802</time>
<s>那个磁场的共振</s>
<time>1182_00:41:12,162 --> 00:41:13,602</time>
<s>看你现在说话多切真呢</s>
<time>1183_00:41:13,962 --> 00:41:15,762</time>
<s>你一说那些大词我就晕了</s>
<time>1184_00:41:17,201 --> 00:41:18,281</time>
<s>是吗对</s>
<time>1185_00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:19,362</time>
<s>我就陷入了呆滞</s>
<time>1186_00:41:19,721 --> 00:41:20,442</time>
<s>那很大词嘛</s>
<time>1187_00:41:21,882 --> 00:41:22,602</time>
<s>什么生产力生产关系</s>
<time>1188_00:41:22,962 --> 00:41:23,682</time>
<s>我就疯掉了</s>
<time>1189_00:41:24,042 --> 00:41:26,201</time>
<s>就所有的垩梦出现了</s>
<time>1190_00:41:26,562 --> 00:41:28,002</time>
<s>中学的亞梦</s>
<time>1191_00:41:28,362 --> 00:41:30,882</time>
<s>半明白半不明白的词汇</s>
<time>1192_00:41:32,682 --> 00:41:34,122</time>
<s>我现在想其实说的是对的</s>
<time>1193_00:41:34,482 --> 00:41:35,562</time>
<s>有一些说的是对的</s>
<time>1194_00:41:37,002 --> 00:41:37,721</time>
<s>那你怎么</s>
<time>1195_00:41:38,082 --> 00:41:38,442</time>
<s>就是你怎么</s>
<time>1196_00:41:38,802 --> 00:41:39,882</time>
<s>保持自己这种切真呢</s>
<time>1197_00:41:40,241 --> 00:41:40,602</time>
<s>因为这东西</s>
<time>1198_00:41:40,962 --> 00:41:42,042</time>
<s>其实需要不断的训练</s>
<time>1199_00:41:42,401 --> 00:41:43,482</time>
<s>因为随时可能会陷入</s>
<time>1200_00:41:43,842 --> 00:41:46,002</time>
<s>迟钝或者说错位</s>
<time>1201_00:41:46,361 --> 00:41:47,442</time>
<s>要保持这种</s>
<time>1202_00:41:48,162 --> 00:41:48,882</time>
<s>感受</s>
<time>1203_00:41:49,962 --> 00:41:52,482</time>
<s>我觉得首先保持怀疑是</s>
<time>1204_00:41:53,562 --> 00:41:55,002</time>
<s>是还挺重要的一个品质</s>
<time>1205_00:41:55,722 --> 00:41:57,162</time>
<s>就像我会经常那时候我看到那个</s>
<time>1206_00:41:57,522 --> 00:41:57,882</time>
<s>我去旅游</s>
<time>1207_00:41:58,241 --> 00:42:00,042</time>
<s>我看海南岛那边上</s>
<time>1208_00:42:00,402 --> 00:42:01,482</time>
<s>盖了好多那种</s>
<time>1209_00:42:01,842 --> 00:42:03,642</time>
<s>欧式的大别墅</s>
<time>1210_00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:06,882</time>
<s>你乍一看你也觉得没啥问题</s>
<time>1211_00:42:07,242 --> 00:42:08,322</time>
<s>你觉得这个好像挺对的</s>
<time>1212_00:42:08,682 --> 00:42:10,122</time>
<s>你仔细想想你也觉得</s>
<time>1213_00:42:11,562 --> 00:42:11,922</time>
<s>为什么呢</s>
<time>1214_00:42:12,642 --> 00:42:13,002</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>1215_00:42:14,082 --> 00:42:15,161</time>
<s>欧洲那种</s>
<time>1216_00:42:15,522 --> 00:42:16,962</time>
<s>阴冷潮湿的环境</s>
<time>1217_00:42:17,322 --> 00:42:18,761</time>
<s>它盖那种窗户小小的</s>
<time>1218_00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:19,482</time>
<s>墙壁很厚</s>
<time>1219_00:42:19,842 --> 00:42:20,922</time>
<s>你这个地方阳光灿烂</s>
<time>1220_00:42:21,282 --> 00:42:22,361</time>
<s>然后那个</s>
<time>1221_00:42:22,722 --> 00:42:23,442</time>
<s>天又暖和</s>
<time>1222_00:42:23,802 --> 00:42:25,962</time>
<s>你何必非得闷成那样呢</s>
<time>1223_00:42:26,322 --> 00:42:27,042</time>
<s>又不节能</s>
<time>1224_00:42:27,762 --> 00:42:28,842</time>
<s>其实好像我们</s>
<time>1225_00:42:29,201 --> 00:42:29,922</time>
<s>经历了一个很长时间</s>
<time>1226_00:42:30,282 --> 00:42:31,722</time>
<s>不去思考这个问题</s>
<time>1227_00:42:32,802 --> 00:42:35,322</time>
<s>然后长期的不合理</s>
<time>1228_00:42:35,681 --> 00:42:37,482</time>
<s>就是它会就导致合理化</s>
<time>1229_00:42:37,842 --> 00:42:40,002</time>
<s>所以也就你就习惯了</s>
<time>1230_00:42:40,722 --> 00:42:41,802</time>
<s>那你的状态是什么</s>
<time>1231_00:42:42,162 --> 00:42:43,962</time>
<s>你要不断跳出来看这件事情</s>
<time>1232_00:42:44,322 --> 00:42:46,482</time>
<s>就是你没有办法特别地</s>
<time>1233_00:42:46,841 --> 00:42:48,282</time>
<s>相信某一个东西</s>
<time>1234_00:42:51,162 --> 00:42:54,761</time>
<s>就是任何事情保持怀疑</s>
<time>1235_00:42:55,122 --> 00:42:55,842</time>
<s>就是这个怀疑就是</s>
<time>1236_00:42:57,281 --> 00:42:58,002</time>
<s>你对你的处境的怀疑</s>
<time>1237_00:42:58,362 --> 00:43:00,162</time>
<s>你对你所有这个环境的怀疑</s>
<time>1238_00:43:00,882 --> 00:43:01,602</time>
<s>我似乎觉得好像</s>
<time>1239_00:43:02,322 --> 00:43:04,122</time>
<s>人生和世界走入一个假象当中</s>
<time>1240_00:43:04,482 --> 00:43:05,922</time>
<s>是一个特别容易的事</s>
<time>1241_00:43:06,281 --> 00:43:08,082</time>
<s>或者说是一个必然</s>
<time>1242_00:43:08,442 --> 00:43:10,241</time>
<s>就像你做一件事情遇到困难</s>
<time>1243_00:43:10,602 --> 00:43:11,322</time>
<s>这简直是一个</s>
<time>1244_00:43:11,681 --> 00:43:12,402</time>
<s>再正常不过的</s>
<time>1245_00:43:12,762 --> 00:43:13,842</time>
<s>这就是常态</s>
<time>1246_00:43:14,202 --> 00:43:14,562</time>
<s>你要去爬山</s>
<time>1247_00:43:15,282 --> 00:43:16,002</time>
<s>你必然很累</s>
<time>1248_00:43:16,362 --> 00:43:17,082</time>
<s>这就是常态</s>
<time>1249_00:43:17,442 --> 00:43:18,882</time>
<s>所以你遇到假象也是一常态</s>
<time>1250_00:43:19,241 --> 00:43:20,321</time>
<s>就是你掉进套路里</s>
<time>1251_00:43:20,682 --> 00:43:21,762</time>
<s>也是一常态</s>
<time>1252_00:43:22,122 --> 00:43:23,202</time>
<s>所以你就要随时地</s>
<time>1253_00:43:23,562 --> 00:43:25,002</time>
<s>就怀疑那个部分</s>
<time>1254_00:43:25,361 --> 00:43:26,802</time>
<s>这才具备了你找到</s>
<time>1255_00:43:27,162 --> 00:43:27,882</time>
<s>本真的前提</s>
<time>1256_00:43:29,322 --> 00:43:30,761</time>
<s>那你对你现在的处境</s>
<time>1257_00:43:31,122 --> 00:43:32,562</time>
<s>最重要的怀疑是什么</s>
<time>1258_00:43:35,082 --> 00:43:36,882</time>
<s>对还是不是要拍电影</s>
<time>1259_00:43:38,322 --> 00:43:39,042</time>
<s>这么大一个怀疑吗</s>
<time>1260_00:43:39,762 --> 00:43:40,842</time>
<s>因为电影这个事情</s>
<time>1261_00:43:46,241 --> 00:43:46,602</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>1262_00:43:46,962 --> 00:43:47,681</time>
<s>我就是</s>
<time>1263_00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:48,761</time>
<s>说比方说怀疑</s>
<time>1264_00:43:49,122 --> 00:43:50,201</time>
<s>你现在这个事做得对不对</s>
<time>1265_00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:52,362</time>
<s>你这个状态是不是正确的</s>
<time>1266_00:43:53,442 --> 00:43:54,162</time>
<s>就这样吗</s>
<time>1267_00:43:55,241 --> 00:43:55,962</time>
<s>对吧现在电影</s>
<time>1268_00:43:57,401 --> 00:43:58,122</time>
<s>还是电影吗</s>
<time>1269_00:43:59,562 --> 00:44:02,082</time>
<s>它还是你想做的那件事吗</s>
<time>1270_00:44:03,882 --> 00:44:05,322</time>
<s>我会经常问这个问题</s>
<time>1271_00:44:06,042 --> 00:44:07,482</time>
<s>它如果不是了你怎么办</s>
<time>1272_00:44:26,201 --> 00:44:26,922</time>
<s>我记得是我在</s>
<time>1273_00:44:27,282 --> 00:44:28,362</time>
<s>刚到北京的时候</s>
<time>1274_00:44:28,721 --> 00:44:29,802</time>
<s>我妈妈寄给我一本书</s>
<time>1275_00:44:30,162 --> 00:44:31,241</time>
<s>那本书是一个特别</s>
<time>1276_00:44:31,962 --> 00:44:33,402</time>
<s>当时很流行的那个书</s>
<time>1277_00:44:33,762 --> 00:44:34,122</time>
<s>叫卡耐基</s>
<time>1278_00:44:34,482 --> 00:44:35,562</time>
<s>当时特别流行</s>
<time>1279_00:44:35,922 --> 00:44:36,281</time>
<s>我们都看</s>
<time>1280_00:44:36,642 --> 00:44:37,002</time>
<s>卡耐基人生自测</s>
<time>1281_00:44:37,362 --> 00:44:38,082</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1282_00:44:38,442 --> 00:44:39,522</time>
<s>它那里头有一个</s>
<time>1283_00:44:39,881 --> 00:44:40,962</time>
<s>最难最难的部分就是说</s>
<time>1284_00:44:41,322 --> 00:44:43,122</time>
<s>你是不是能够面对你自己的</s>
<time>1285_00:44:43,842 --> 00:44:44,922</time>
<s>弱点</s>
<time>1286_00:44:45,642 --> 00:44:47,441</time>
<s>开始写你自己的弱点吧</s>
<time>1287_00:44:47,802 --> 00:44:49,242</time>
<s>你在写的时候才发现</s>
<time>1288_00:44:49,602 --> 00:44:49,962</time>
<s>太难了</s>
<time>1289_00:44:51,762 --> 00:44:52,482</time>
<s>你总是愿意</s>
<time>1290_00:44:52,842 --> 00:44:54,642</time>
<s>就是人写自己的优点的时候</s>
<time>1291_00:44:55,002 --> 00:44:56,442</time>
<s>都挺容易写</s>
<time>1292_00:44:57,881 --> 00:44:59,322</time>
<s>那个毛病是你最讨厌的毛病</s>
<time>1293_00:44:59,681 --> 00:45:00,042</time>
<s>你觉得</s>
<time>1294_00:45:01,482 --> 00:45:02,201</time>
<s>我觉得我怯儒</s>
<time>1295_00:45:03,281 --> 00:45:05,802</time>
<s>有一些部分我是怯需的</s>
<time>1296_00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:07,602</time>
<s>没有那么勇敢</s>
<time>1297_00:45:07,962 --> 00:45:09,402</time>
<s>你比如说梵高吧</s>
<time>1298_00:45:09,761 --> 00:45:10,842</time>
<s>他的那个绘画里头就是</s>
<time>1299_00:45:11,201 --> 00:45:12,282</time>
<s>他哪个流派都跟不上</s>
<time>1300_00:45:12,642 --> 00:45:13,362</time>
<s>所以他就</s>
<time>1301_00:45:14,802 --> 00:45:15,522</time>
<s>干脆就</s>
<time>1302_00:45:15,882 --> 00:45:16,962</time>
<s>我怎么想就怎么画吧</s>
<time>1303_00:45:18,042 --> 00:45:19,122</time>
<s>但是他最后拿他的行为</s>
<time>1304_00:45:19,482 --> 00:45:20,562</time>
<s>把他的那个画说清楚了</s>
<time>1305_00:45:22,361 --> 00:45:23,082</time>
<s>就不跟你玩了就</s>
<time>1306_00:45:24,162 --> 00:45:25,242</time>
<s>就我按我自己的路子</s>
<time>1307_00:45:25,602 --> 00:45:26,682</time>
<s>我不活了行吗</s>
<time>1308_00:45:29,922 --> 00:45:30,282</time>
<s>那</s>
<time>1309_00:45:30,642 --> 00:45:32,082</time>
<s>人怎么建立自已的</s>
<time>1310_00:45:33,522 --> 00:45:35,322</time>
<s>反正有更大力量的存在</s>
<time>1311_00:45:35,681 --> 00:45:37,842</time>
<s>人对自己的控制也很弱很小</s>
