<time>442_00:17:58,242 --> 00:17:58,962</time>
<s>他就是那个</s>
<time>443_00:17:59,322 --> 00:18:00,401</time>
<s>突然看见原来过去的人</s>
<time>444_00:18:00,761 --> 00:18:01,842</time>
<s>已经做出这么多探索</s>
<time>445_00:18:02,202 --> 00:18:02,922</time>
<s>这么多描述</s>
<time>446_00:18:03,282 --> 00:18:04,362</time>
<s>对外部世界是这样理解的</s>
<time>447_00:18:05,082 --> 00:18:05,442</time>
<s>我觉得非常</s>
<time>448_00:18:05,802 --> 00:18:06,162</time>
<s>很惊叹的</s>
<time>449_00:18:10,121 --> 00:18:10,842</time>
<s>而且在那个都是</s>
<time>450_00:18:11,922 --> 00:18:13,002</time>
<s>革命口号的年代</s>
<time>451_00:18:13,362 --> 00:18:14,442</time>
<s>七十年代末的时候</s>
<time>452_00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:16,602</time>
<s>那时候中国也是封闭了很久</s>
<time>453_00:18:20,562 --> 00:18:20,922</time>
<s>真的如果他</s>
<time>454_00:18:21,282 --> 00:18:22,362</time>
<s>他不发现这些人</s>
<time>455_00:18:23,082 --> 00:18:23,442</time>
<s>我们真的不知道</s>
<time>456_00:18:23,802 --> 00:18:25,242</time>
<s>中国人过去这样看待世界的</s>
<time>457_00:18:35,682 --> 00:18:36,042</time>
<s>戏楼胡同</s>
<time>458_00:18:37,482 --> 00:18:38,561</time>
<s>他在一个冬天到来的</s>
<time>459_00:18:38,922 --> 00:18:39,642</time>
<s>是吧我记得</s>
<time>460_00:18:40,361 --> 00:18:41,081</time>
<s>我们在一个春天到来</s>
<time>461_00:18:42,522 --> 00:18:42,882</time>
<s>所以那个时候</s>
<time>462_00:18:43,242 --> 00:18:44,322</time>
<s>锺先生来的时候更萧瑟</s>
<time>463_00:18:45,042 --> 00:18:45,401</time>
<s>萧瑟多了</s>
<time>464_00:18:47,201 --> 00:18:47,562</time>
<s>而且那时候</s>
<time>465_00:18:48,282 --> 00:18:49,002</time>
<s>社会气氛也是</s>
<time>466_00:18:50,442 --> 00:18:51,882</time>
<s>刚刚开始要到春天</s>
<time>467_00:18:54,762 --> 00:18:56,562</time>
<s>岁暮天寒又下了大雪</s>
<time>468_00:18:56,922 --> 00:18:58,002</time>
<s>拐进戏楼胡同</s>
<time>469_00:18:58,362 --> 00:18:59,802</time>
<s>这条还没有动手术改造的</s>
<time>470_00:19:00,522 --> 00:19:00,882</time>
<s>小胡同里</s>
<time>471_00:19:01,242 --> 00:19:01,601</time>
<s>几乎无一人</s>
<time>472_00:19:02,682 --> 00:19:04,482</time>
<s>在雪中显出一种寂静之美</s>
<time>473_00:19:06,282 --> 00:19:08,442</time>
<s>一百多年来一直不为人所知的</s>
<time>474_00:19:08,802 --> 00:19:10,242</time>
<s>国人的巴黎公社目击记</s>
<time>475_00:19:10,602 --> 00:19:11,682</time>
<s>《三述奇》的稿本</s>
<time>476_00:19:12,042 --> 00:19:12,762</time>
<s>就收藏在</s>
<time>477_00:19:13,122 --> 00:19:13,842</time>
<s>这条胡同尽头的</s>
<time>478_00:19:14,202 --> 00:19:14,922</time>
<s>柏林寺里</s>
<time>479_00:19:16,002 --> 00:19:16,361</time>
<s>就这样一路走</s>
<time>480_00:19:19,242 --> 00:19:19,602</time>
<s>那个是</s>
<time>481_00:19:20,322 --> 00:19:20,682</time>
<s>柏林寺吧那就是</s>
<time>482_00:19:23,922 --> 00:19:25,002</time>
<s>这里无旧丛林的气派</s>
<time>483_00:19:25,362 --> 00:19:27,162</time>
<s>也不见新建筑的恢宏</s>
<time>484_00:19:28,242 --> 00:19:29,322</time>
<s>门口除了一块门牌</s>
<time>485_00:19:29,682 --> 00:19:30,762</time>
<s>再没有别的标志</s>
<time>486_00:19:32,922 --> 00:19:33,642</time>
<s>全亏了北京图书馆的</s>
<time>487_00:19:34,002 --> 00:19:35,082</time>
<s>张玄浩先生</s>
<time>488_00:19:35,442 --> 00:19:36,521</time>
<s>他看见我在北海图书馆的</s>
<time>489_00:19:36,882 --> 00:19:37,962</time>
<s>卡片柜里反复搜寻</s>
<time>490_00:19:38,322 --> 00:19:39,402</time>
<s>却无法解决我的问题</s>
<time>491_00:19:39,762 --> 00:19:41,562</time>
<s>便主动表示关心</s>
<time>492_00:19:41,922 --> 00:19:43,002</time>
<s>当即画了一幅路线图</s>
<time>493_00:19:43,362 --> 00:19:45,162</time>
<s>指示了锺先生去了柏林寺</s>
<time>494_00:19:46,242 --> 00:19:46,962</time>
<s>找了好几天</s>
<time>495_00:19:47,322 --> 00:19:47,682</time>
<s>终于</s>
<time>496_00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:49,842</time>
<s>发现了这部分装八卷</s>
<time>497_00:19:50,561 --> 00:19:52,722</time>
<s>用蓝色的布函护封的稿本</s>
<time>498_00:19:58,122 --> 00:19:58,842</time>
<s>这儿不开放了是吧</s>
<time>499_00:19:59,922 --> 00:20:00,282</time>
<s>办公</s>
<time>500_00:20:20,802 --> 00:20:21,522</time>
<s>太神奇了</s>
<time>501_00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:24,042</time>
<s>锤先生那代人来讲</s>
<time>502_00:20:25,122 --> 00:20:25,842</time>
<s>巴黎公社当然是个</s>
<time>503_00:20:26,202 --> 00:20:26,922</time>
<s>作为革命的事迹</s>
<time>504_00:20:27,282 --> 00:20:28,722</time>
<s>他们是要不断地学习的</s>
<time>505_00:20:29,081 --> 00:20:29,802</time>
<s>但清朝末年</s>
<time>506_00:20:30,522 --> 00:20:31,962</time>
<s>又是一个非常腐朽的</s>
<time>507_00:20:33,042 --> 00:20:33,762</time>
<s>被认为腐朽的世纪</s>
<time>508_00:20:34,842 --> 00:20:35,922</time>
<s>公然后一个</s>
<time>509_00:20:36,282 --> 00:20:37,722</time>
<s>被认为腐朽王朝的外交官</s>
<time>510_00:20:38,082 --> 00:20:39,522</time>
<s>去记录下当年的</s>
<time>511_00:20:40,242 --> 00:20:41,682</time>
<s>巴黎公社的一个盛况</s>
<time>512_00:20:42,401 --> 00:20:43,482</time>
<s>我觉得他读肯定是一个非常</s>
<time>513_00:20:43,842 --> 00:20:44,922</time>
<s>时空交错那种感觉</s>
<time>514_00:20:45,282 --> 00:20:46,002</time>
<s>连我们现在都觉得</s>
<time>515_00:20:47,442 --> 00:20:48,522</time>
<s>都有一种时空交错</s>
<time>516_00:20:49,242 --> 00:20:50,682</time>
<s>就是张德彝看到的一个</s>
<time>517_00:20:51,042 --> 00:20:52,482</time>
<s>当年欧洲的时空</s>
<time>518_00:20:52,842 --> 00:20:53,561</time>
<s>然后这个时空</s>
<time>519_00:20:54,282 --> 00:20:55,361</time>
<s>又来到一个文革后的中国</s>
<time>520_00:20:55,722 --> 00:20:57,162</time>
<s>一个1979年的</s>
<time>521_00:20:58,601 --> 00:20:58,962</time>
<s>冬天的一个时空</s>
<time>522_00:21:00,402 --> 00:21:02,202</time>
<s>然后锺先生从一个长沙的</s>
<time>523_00:21:02,562 --> 00:21:02,922</time>
<s>公一个外省的</s>
<time>524_00:21:03,641 --> 00:21:04,362</time>
<s>跟我这个年纪</s>
<time>525_00:21:05,082 --> 00:21:06,882</time>
<s>来寻访这段过去</s>
<time>526_00:21:25,962 --> 00:21:27,042</time>
<s>我不喜欢</s>
<time>527_00:21:27,402 --> 00:21:29,562</time>
<s>藏着掖着自己的观点</s>
<time>528_00:21:29,922 --> 00:21:30,641</time>
<s>随时发表什么意见</s>
<time>529_00:21:31,002 --> 00:21:33,522</time>
<s>我想怎么讲我就怎么讲</s>
<time>530_00:21:35,682 --> 00:21:36,401</time>
<s>在建国以前</s>
<time>531_00:21:36,762 --> 00:21:38,202</time>
<s>我是八月份参加工作的</s>
<time>532_00:21:38,562 --> 00:21:40,002</time>
<s>大概是九月份发生了一件事情</s>
<time>533_00:21:40,362 --> 00:21:41,441</time>
<s>就是中午休息的时候</s>
<time>534_00:21:41,802 --> 00:21:43,242</time>
<s>我朗诵了何其芳的诗</s>
<time>535_00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:48,642</time>
<s>你一定来自那温郁的南方</s>
<time>536_00:21:50,082 --> 00:21:52,242</time>
<s>告诉我那里的日（月）色</s>
<time>537_00:21:52,602 --> 00:21:53,682</time>
<s>那里的月（日）光</s>
<time>538_00:21:55,122 --> 00:21:58,722</time>
<s>告诉我春风是怎样吹开百花</s>
<time>539_00:21:59,442 --> 00:22:03,042</time>
<s>燕子是怎样痴恋着绿杨</s>
<time>540_00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:07,361</time>
<s>我将合眼睡在你如梦的歌声里</s>
<time>541_00:22:09,162 --> 00:22:12,762</time>
<s>那温暖我似乎记得又似乎遗忘</s>
<time>542_00:22:13,122 --> 00:22:14,202</time>
<s>真美</s>
<time>543_00:22:15,282 --> 00:22:17,441</time>
<s>是不是您一读这个诗的时候</s>
<time>544_00:22:17,802 --> 00:22:19,242</time>
<s>当年那个景象全都回来了</s>
<time>545_00:22:19,602 --> 00:22:21,402</time>
<s>是我很喜欢那种情调</s>
<time>546_00:22:21,762 --> 00:22:23,562</time>
<s>它有什么不健康的东西呢</s>
<time>547_00:22:25,002 --> 00:22:26,442</time>
<s>那个时候有个南下的科长</s>
<time>548_00:22:26,802 --> 00:22:27,882</time>
<s>他到办公室来</s>
<time>549_00:22:28,242 --> 00:22:28,962</time>
<s>你什么东西</s>
<time>550_00:22:29,322 --> 00:22:30,762</time>
<s>朗诵得这么摇头摆尾</s>
<time>551_00:22:31,121 --> 00:22:31,842</time>
<s>精神这么好</s>
<time>552_00:22:32,202 --> 00:22:33,282</time>
<s>为什么不多读几遍</s>
<time>553_00:22:33,642 --> 00:22:34,362</time>
<s>《论白皮书》呢</s>
<time>554_00:22:34,722 --> 00:22:36,162</time>
<s>为什么不学习文件呢</s>
<time>555_00:22:36,522 --> 00:22:38,682</time>
<s>搞得（大家）作鸟兽散</s>
<time>556_00:22:39,042 --> 00:22:40,482</time>
<s>这不是我很想要的</s>
<time>557_00:22:42,641 --> 00:22:44,082</time>
<s>这个世界的文明</s>
<time>558_00:22:44,442 --> 00:22:45,161</time>
<s>所有的人</s>
<time>559_00:22:45,882 --> 00:22:48,042</time>
<s>本能要追求更好的生活</s>
<time>560_00:22:49,121 --> 00:22:50,202</time>
<s>这不是罪恶的</s>
<time>561_00:22:51,282 --> 00:22:53,082</time>
<s>这不是善与恶的问题</s>
<time>562_00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:54,882</time>
<s>是个本能</s>
<time>563_00:22:55,242 --> 00:22:56,682</time>
<s>我认为我讲的是本能</s>
<time>564_00:23:02,442 --> 00:23:03,522</time>
<s>像您开始读书的时候</s>
<time>565_00:23:04,602 --> 00:23:04,962</time>
<s>其实某种意义上</s>
<time>566_00:23:05,322 --> 00:23:07,121</time>
<s>是中国文化开始</s>
<time>567_00:23:07,842 --> 00:23:08,922</time>
<s>陷入最低的时候</s>
<time>568_00:23:10,002 --> 00:23:10,722</time>
<s>从十九世纪开始</s>
<time>569_00:23:11,442 --> 00:23:12,522</time>
<s>中国人开始反思自己文化</s>
<time>570_00:23:12,882 --> 00:23:13,962</time>
<s>传统有问题</s>
<time>571_00:23:15,042 --> 00:23:16,122</time>
<s>我不同意你刚刚说的</s>
<time>572_00:23:17,201 --> 00:23:17,562</time>
<s>不一定说那个时候</s>
<time>573_00:23:17,922 --> 00:23:19,722</time>
<s>是中国文化最低谷的时候</s>
<time>574_00:23:20,082 --> 00:23:20,442</time>
<s>不一定的</s>
<time>575_00:23:21,161 --> 00:23:21,522</time>
<s>是的</s>
<time>576_00:23:21,882 --> 00:23:23,682</time>
<s>或者当时人是这么觉得</s>
<time>577_00:23:24,042 --> 00:23:24,762</time>
<s>是我们这么说</s>
<time>578_00:23:25,122 --> 00:23:25,842</time>
<s>说那个时候的文化</s>
<time>579_00:23:26,562 --> 00:23:26,922</time>
<s>不一定的</s>
<time>580_00:23:28,002 --> 00:23:28,722</time>
<s>我认为那个时候</s>
<time>581_00:23:29,081 --> 00:23:30,522</time>
<s>应该是最活跃的时候</s>
<time>582_00:23:31,242 --> 00:23:32,681</time>
<s>而且中国的文化</s>
<time>583_00:23:33,042 --> 00:23:34,482</time>
<s>它就是没有后来这些因素</s>
<time>584_00:23:34,842 --> 00:23:35,202</time>
<s>掺杂进来</s>
<time>585_00:23:35,922 --> 00:23:37,002</time>
<s>它也会更新了</s>
<time>586_00:23:38,442 --> 00:23:39,162</time>
<s>也到这个时候了</s>
<time>587_00:23:39,522 --> 00:23:40,602</time>
<s>而且中国原来传统文化</s>
<time>588_00:23:40,962 --> 00:23:41,682</time>
<s>在历史上</s>
<time>589_00:23:42,042 --> 00:23:44,922</time>
<s>本位文化也不是从来没有动过的</s>
<time>590_00:23:45,282 --> 00:23:45,642</time>
<s>印度文化来</s>
<time>591_00:23:46,002 --> 00:23:46,722</time>
<s>也是一次大的外来文化</s>
<time>592_00:23:48,162 --> 00:23:49,962</time>
<s>中国没有一部旧小说里面</s>
<time>593_00:23:50,322 --> 00:23:51,402</time>
<s>有写到和尚的</s>
<time>594_00:23:54,282 --> 00:23:55,722</time>
<s>就说明原来没有的</s>
<time>595_00:23:56,442 --> 00:23:57,882</time>
<s>后来没有任何一部小说</s>
<time>596_00:23:58,242 --> 00:23:59,682</time>
<s>没有写到和尚和庙宇的</s>
<time>597_00:24:00,401 --> 00:24:02,562</time>
<s>而且后来的所谓南宋理学</s>
<time>598_00:24:02,922 --> 00:24:04,722</time>
<s>都是印度文化（影响）而来的</s>
<time>599_00:24:05,802 --> 00:24:08,322</time>
<s>才有了所谓气理</s>
<time>600_00:24:08,682 --> 00:24:09,042</time>
<s>这些东西</s>
<time>601_00:24:10,482 --> 00:24:11,562</time>
<s>所以您觉得</s>
<time>602_00:24:11,922 --> 00:24:13,722</time>
<s>十九世纪开始的转变</s>
<time>603_00:24:14,082 --> 00:24:14,442</time>
<s>它就需要</s>
<time>604_00:24:14,802 --> 00:24:16,602</time>
<s>一个更长的时间慢慢</s>
<time>605_00:24:16,962 --> 00:24:18,042</time>
<s>中国文化自我更新的</s>
<time>606_00:24:18,761 --> 00:24:20,562</time>
<s>就像当年佛教进入中国一样</s>
<time>607_00:24:20,922 --> 00:24:21,642</time>
<s>很大的转变</s>
<time>608_00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:25,242</time>
<s>中国现代的变化就是太快了</s>
<time>609_00:24:25,962 --> 00:24:27,042</time>
<s>物理学上有一个东西</s>
<time>610_00:24:27,402 --> 00:24:27,762</time>
<s>叫做波</s>
<time>611_00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:30,282</time>
<s>波的波峰和波谷的</s>
<time>612_00:24:30,642 --> 00:24:31,722</time>
<s>高度很大</s>
<time>613_00:24:32,082 --> 00:24:33,882</time>
<s>但是我们波段压缩得很紧</s>
<time>614_00:24:35,322 --> 00:24:37,482</time>
<s>因为别人正常几百年完成的</s>
<time>615_00:24:37,842 --> 00:24:38,202</time>
<s>过渡时期</s>
<time>616_00:24:38,562 --> 00:24:40,362</time>
<s>我们把它压缩到几十年</s>
<time>617_00:24:41,442 --> 00:24:41,801</time>
<s>这样的话</s>
<time>618_00:24:42,522 --> 00:24:45,042</time>
<s>波峰波谷就相差很大</s>
<time>619_00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:47,561</time>
<s>就会出现很多不正常的现象</s>
<time>620_00:24:49,002 --> 00:24:50,441</time>
<s>他有些人讲过头了</s>
<time>621_00:24:51,522 --> 00:24:52,602</time>
<s>好比钱玄同不是讲</s>
<time>622_00:24:52,962 --> 00:24:54,762</time>
<s>40岁以上的人都应该枪毙</s>
<time>623_00:24:55,122 --> 00:24:56,562</time>
<s>这个肯定是讲过头了</s>
<time>624_00:24:56,922 --> 00:24:58,002</time>
<s>鲁迅最讲过头话的</s>
<time>625_00:24:59,082 --> 00:24:59,442</time>
<s>好比他说中国人</s>
<time>626_00:24:59,802 --> 00:25:00,882</time>
<s>要少读中国书</s>
<time>627_00:25:01,242 --> 00:25:02,322</time>
<s>最好是不读</s>
<time>628_00:25:03,042 --> 00:25:04,842</time>
<s>读中国书就是消沉</s>
<time>629_00:25:05,202 --> 00:25:06,282</time>
<s>我们都是受这个话影响的</s>
<time>630_00:25:06,642 --> 00:25:07,362</time>
<s>都受这个影响</s>
<time>631_00:25:07,722 --> 00:25:08,442</time>
<s>我也受他影响的</s>
<time>632_00:25:08,802 --> 00:25:09,882</time>
<s>都崇拜过鲁迅</s>
<time>633_00:25:11,682 --> 00:25:12,402</time>
<s>讲得痛快嘛</s>
<time>634_00:25:14,922 --> 00:25:16,002</time>
<s>但是这话讲过头了</s>
<time>635_00:25:18,882 --> 00:25:19,962</time>
<s>当然中国的文化</s>
<time>636_00:25:20,322 --> 00:25:22,482</time>
<s>它肯定是很多问题存在的</s>
<time>637_00:25:23,922 --> 00:25:24,282</time>
<s>就本来</s>
<time>638_00:25:25,722 --> 00:25:27,522</time>
<s>就是培根还是谁讲过一句话</s>
<time>639_00:25:27,882 --> 00:25:30,042</time>
<s>“伟大的哲学始于怀疑”</s>
<time>640_00:25:30,402 --> 00:25:31,122</time>
<s>“终于信仰”</s>
<time>641_00:25:32,202 --> 00:25:33,642</time>
<s>怀疑是根本</s>
<time>642_00:25:34,362 --> 00:25:35,442</time>
<s>这个事情可以说是</s>
<time>643_00:25:35,802 --> 00:25:37,242</time>
<s>我受到周作人的一些影响</s>
<time>644_00:25:38,682 --> 00:25:39,762</time>
<s>因为周作人就质疑</s>
<time>645_00:25:41,202 --> 00:25:41,922</time>
<s>好比中国人认为什么</s>
<time>646_00:25:42,282 --> 00:25:43,722</time>
<s>囊萤映雪</s>
<time>647_00:25:44,082 --> 00:25:45,522</time>
<s>说读书人勤快</s>
<time>648_00:25:45,882 --> 00:25:46,962</time>
<s>这都是不可能的事情</s>
<time>649_00:25:49,482 --> 00:25:50,922</time>
<s>把萤火虫照着读书</s>
<time>650_00:25:51,282 --> 00:25:51,642</time>
<s>白天不读书</s>
<time>651_00:25:52,002 --> 00:25:53,442</time>
<s>跑到山上去捉萤火虫</s>
<time>652_00:25:54,162 --> 00:25:54,882</time>
<s>捉到了晚上读书</s>
<time>653_00:25:55,242 --> 00:25:56,682</time>
<s>这不是笑话吗</s>
<time>654_00:25:58,842 --> 00:25:59,562</time>
<s>我也曾经试过</s>
<time>655_00:25:59,922 --> 00:26:01,002</time>
<s>您也是一颗怀疑的头脑</s>
<time>656_00:26:01,362 --> 00:26:03,162</time>
<s>我也试过晚上看旧小说</s>
<time>657_00:26:03,522 --> 00:26:04,962</time>
<s>抗战的时候也点油灯</s>
<time>658_00:26:05,322 --> 00:26:06,402</time>
<s>宿舍里面在油灯底下</s>
<time>659_00:26:06,762 --> 00:26:07,482</time>
<s>只有一盏灯</s>
<time>660_00:26:07,842 --> 00:26:08,922</time>
<s>晚上不准熄灯的</s>
<time>661_00:26:09,282 --> 00:26:09,642</time>
<s>宿舍里面</s>
<time>662_00:26:10,002 --> 00:26:11,082</time>
<s>那都挂在壁上无法去读书</s>
<time>663_00:26:11,802 --> 00:26:13,242</time>
<s>所以说晚上到雪地里去看</s>
<time>664_00:26:13,602 --> 00:26:15,042</time>
<s>就大的月亮下去看</s>
<time>665_00:26:15,402 --> 00:26:16,482</time>
<s>无法看书的</s>
<time>666_00:26:16,842 --> 00:26:19,362</time>
<s>只可以认得个把笔划简单的字</s>
<time>667_00:26:20,442 --> 00:26:21,882</time>
<s>但是书里面就这么写</s>
<time>668_00:26:25,482 --> 00:26:26,202</time>
<s>我只是觉得</s>
<time>669_00:26:26,562 --> 00:26:27,282</time>
<s>有些不合理的地方</s>
<time>670_00:26:27,642 --> 00:26:28,722</time>
<s>需要去讲</s>
<time>671_00:26:29,082 --> 00:26:30,882</time>
<s>其实我讲的是常识</s>
<time>672_00:26:31,242 --> 00:26:32,322</time>
<s>中国近代以后</s>
<time>673_00:26:32,682 --> 00:26:34,482</time>
<s>我们一直在谈科学</s>
<time>674_00:26:34,842 --> 00:26:36,642</time>
<s>进步强大</s>
<time>675_00:26:37,002 --> 00:26:38,442</time>
<s>但是对于常识</s>
<time>676_00:26:39,522 --> 00:26:40,602</time>
<s>是谈得很少的</s>
<time>677_00:26:42,042 --> 00:26:44,562</time>
<s>我认为一个社会和一种文化</s>
<time>678_00:26:46,362 --> 00:26:48,882</time>
<s>只要讲常识办事</s>
<time>679_00:26:49,242 --> 00:26:51,402</time>
<s>再一个是能够按照情理办事</s>
<time>680_00:26:52,482 --> 00:26:53,562</time>
<s>就会比较少折腾</s>
<time>681_00:26:55,362 --> 00:26:56,082</time>
<s>大家比较好办</s>
<time>682_00:26:57,522 --> 00:26:58,242</time>
<s>比如新闻纸（报纸）</s>
<time>683_00:26:58,602 --> 00:26:59,682</time>
<s>新闻纸是newspaper</s>
<time>684_00:27:00,042 --> 00:27:00,762</time>
<s>应该有新闻</s>
<time>685_00:27:02,202 --> 00:27:03,282</time>
<s>哪怕是小民的事情</s>
<time>686_00:27:04,362 --> 00:27:06,162</time>
<s>比方你某某先生结婚</s>
<time>687_00:27:06,522 --> 00:27:07,602</time>
<s>然后写他结了婚</s>
<time>688_00:27:07,962 --> 00:27:08,682</time>
<s>那就是条新闻</s>
<time>689_00:27:09,402 --> 00:27:10,842</time>
<s>我不认识你我也可以看</s>
<time>690_00:27:11,562 --> 00:27:12,642</time>
<s>我也很希望知道一下是吧</s>
<time>691_00:27:13,722 --> 00:27:14,802</time>
<s>没有害处</s>
<time>692_00:27:15,522 --> 00:27:15,882</time>
<s>不要什么都是</s>
<time>693_00:27:16,242 --> 00:27:17,322</time>
<s>希望你知道的事情</s>
<time>694_00:27:18,042 --> 00:27:19,842</time>
<s>也就是早就人所共知的东西</s>
<time>695_00:27:20,562 --> 00:27:20,922</time>
<s>连篇累牌</s>
<time>696_00:27:23,802 --> 00:27:24,522</time>
<s>然后好比按情理</s>
<time>697_00:27:24,882 --> 00:27:25,602</time>
<s>你来访问我</s>
<time>698_00:27:25,962 --> 00:27:27,762</time>
<s>我也愿意跟你见面</s>
<time>699_00:27:28,842 --> 00:27:29,562</time>
<s>就有这回事</s>
<time>700_00:27:31,362 --> 00:27:32,442</time>
<s>那就正常进行</s>
<time>701_00:27:32,802 --> 00:27:34,962</time>
<s>我是怎么生活就怎么生活</s>
<time>702_00:27:35,682 --> 00:27:36,402</time>
<s>跟我女儿说的一样</s>
<time>703_00:27:36,762 --> 00:27:37,842</time>
<s>说你穿这条裤子不好看</s>
<time>704_00:27:38,202 --> 00:27:39,282</time>
<s>我是穿这条裤子的</s>
<time>705_00:27:41,082 --> 00:27:41,802</time>
<s>我也穿这条裤子的</s>
<time>706_00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:45,402</time>
<s>我去扮一个什么东西</s>
<time>707_00:27:45,762 --> 00:27:46,122</time>
<s>没什么意思</s>
<time>708_00:27:47,202 --> 00:27:48,642</time>
<s>也有一些人很喜欢出风头</s>
<time>709_00:27:49,002 --> 00:27:50,082</time>
<s>到处去扮</s>
<time>710_00:27:50,442 --> 00:27:51,882</time>
<s>当然他也有他的自由</s>
<time>711_00:27:52,242 --> 00:27:52,602</time>
<s>另外扮一下</s>
<time>712_00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:54,762</time>
<s>你让别人高兴也是很好的事</s>
<time>713_00:27:57,642 --> 00:27:59,802</time>
<s>但是有很多事就是这样的</s>
<time>714_00:28:00,162 --> 00:28:01,962</time>
<s>一旦变成了表演的要求</s>
<time>715_00:28:02,322 --> 00:28:03,762</time>
<s>那就不一定是</s>
<time>716_00:28:04,122 --> 00:28:06,642</time>
<s>不一定都是那么合情合理的</s>
<time>717_00:28:07,362 --> 00:28:09,522</time>
<s>有很多是一些笑话</s>
<time>718_00:28:11,322 --> 00:28:12,042</time>
<s>笑话搞过头</s>
<time>719_00:28:13,122 --> 00:28:14,562</time>
<s>笑剧就变成了悲剧</s>
<time>720_00:28:20,322 --> 00:28:21,402</time>
<s>帽子不要戴帽子吧</s>
<time>721_00:28:23,562 --> 00:28:25,362</time>
<s>不要打扮我没什么必要</s>
<time>722_00:28:30,762 --> 00:28:32,202</time>
<s>好给我一个人再照一张</s>
<time>723_00:28:32,562 --> 00:28:33,282</time>
<s>你既要照上这颗石头</s>
<time>724_00:28:33,642 --> 00:28:34,722</time>
<s>也要照上那棵树</s>
<time>725_00:28:35,082 --> 00:28:35,802</time>
<s>我一个人照一张</s>
<time>726_00:28:36,522 --> 00:28:37,962</time>
<s>靠着靠着</s>
<time>727_00:28:47,682 --> 00:28:48,042</time>
<s>我为的是</s>
<time>728_00:28:48,402 --> 00:28:49,842</time>
<s>这个地方就是告诉我的小孩们</s>
<time>729_00:28:50,202 --> 00:28:52,002</time>
<s>以后要是想起我和她的妈妈</s>
<time>730_00:28:52,362 --> 00:28:53,802</time>
<s>就到这来看看这棵树</s>
<time>731_00:28:59,922 --> 00:29:01,002</time>
<s>我也没带晕车药</s>
<time>732_00:29:01,722 --> 00:29:02,442</time>
<s>有点晕是吗</s>
<time>733_00:29:03,162 --> 00:29:04,602</time>
<s>很快会晕车的</s>
<time>734_00:29:05,682 --> 00:29:06,402</time>
<s>停车停车</s>
<time>735_00:29:07,122 --> 00:29:07,482</time>
<s>就是这个地方</s>
<time>736_00:29:11,442 --> 00:29:11,802</time>
<s>这个地方就是您家</s>
<time>737_00:29:13,602 --> 00:29:14,682</time>
<s>在这里住了多久</s>
<time>738_00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:15,402</time>
<s>在这里</s>
<time>739_00:29:16,122 --> 00:29:16,842</time>
<s>我父亲买这个房子</s>
<time>740_00:29:17,202 --> 00:29:17,922</time>
<s>是抗战以前</s>
<time>741_00:29:20,082 --> 00:29:20,442</time>
<s>抗战八年</s>
<time>742_00:29:20,802 --> 00:29:22,962</time>
<s>我也没有住在这个地方</s>
<time>743_00:29:23,322 --> 00:29:24,402</time>
<s>我被送到平江去了</s>
<time>744_00:29:24,762 --> 00:29:25,482</time>
<s>抗战胜利以后</s>
<time>745_00:29:26,562 --> 00:29:28,002</time>
<s>长沙城里的房子被烧掉了</s>
<time>746_00:29:28,722 --> 00:29:29,802</time>
<s>于是我的父亲母亲</s>
<time>747_00:29:30,162 --> 00:29:30,522</time>
<s>都住在这</s>
<time>748_00:29:31,602 --> 00:29:31,962</time>
<s>一直到解放</s>
<time>749_00:29:34,122 --> 00:29:35,562</time>
<s>我父亲他读过八股</s>
<time>750_00:29:35,922 --> 00:29:37,362</time>
<s>而且考上了一个俏生</s>
<time>751_00:29:38,442 --> 00:29:39,162</time>
<s>我最感激他的一点</s>
<time>752_00:29:40,242 --> 00:29:41,682</time>
<s>我看什么书他不干涉</s>
<time>753_00:29:42,402 --> 00:29:42,762</time>
<s>所以我</s>
<time>754_00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:44,562</time>
<s>很早就已经发表文章了</s>
<time>755_00:29:46,002 --> 00:29:46,722</time>
<s>你当时写的什么文章</s>
<time>756_00:29:47,082 --> 00:29:47,442</time>
<s>第一篇是什么</s>
<time>757_00:29:49,602 --> 00:29:51,042</time>
<s>第一篇好像是一首诗</s>
<time>758_00:29:51,402 --> 00:29:52,482</time>
<s>叫做《牢狱篇》</s>
<time>759_00:29:53,562 --> 00:29:55,002</time>
<s>我现在还留着剪报</s>
<time>760_00:29:56,442 --> 00:29:57,522</time>
<s>我是发现班上</s>
<time>761_00:29:57,882 --> 00:29:58,962</time>
<s>有一个同学的文章</s>
<time>762_00:29:59,322 --> 00:30:00,762</time>
<s>在报上登出来了</s>
<time>763_00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:03,282</time>
<s>我觉得因为他的能登</s>
<time>764_00:30:03,642 --> 00:30:04,722</time>
<s>我的大概也能登</s>
<time>765_00:30:06,522 --> 00:30:07,602</time>
<s>这样才开始写</s>
<time>766_00:30:27,402 --> 00:30:28,842</time>
<s>那时候最想做什么呢</s>
<time>767_00:30:29,922 --> 00:30:30,282</time>
<s>初中的时候</s>
<time>768_00:30:30,642 --> 00:30:32,442</time>
<s>我的理想是去学植物学</s>
<time>769_00:30:33,882 --> 00:30:34,602</time>
<s>读高中以后</s>
<time>770_00:30:34,962 --> 00:30:35,322</time>
<s>读了一些书</s>
<time>771_00:30:35,682 --> 00:30:36,762</time>
<s>就想学考古</s>
<time>772_00:30:37,842 --> 00:30:39,282</time>
<s>好比我读唐诗宋词</s>
<time>773_00:30:39,642 --> 00:30:41,082</time>
<s>诗都背得出很多首</s>
<time>774_00:30:41,442 --> 00:30:43,242</time>
<s>但是他们是吃什么东西的呢</s>
<time>775_00:30:44,682 --> 00:30:45,402</time>
<s>他们宴客</s>
<time>776_00:30:45,762 --> 00:30:47,562</time>
<s>这个杯子盘子什么样子的呢</s>
<time>777_00:30:48,642 --> 00:30:49,722</time>
<s>发现古人怎么生活</s>
<time>778_00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:50,802</time>
<s>是很有趣的事情</s>
<time>779_00:30:51,162 --> 00:30:52,242</time>
<s>到古代去旅行</s>
<time>780_00:30:54,402 --> 00:30:56,562</time>
<s>原来也没有想在报社干一辈子</s>
<time>781_00:30:57,282 --> 00:30:58,722</time>
<s>但是到报社去</s>
<time>782_00:30:59,082 --> 00:31:00,162</time>
<s>是因为一个女孩子</s>
<time>783_00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:04,482</time>
<s>她已经去报名了</s>
<time>784_00:31:04,842 --> 00:31:05,202</time>
<s>说你去不去</s>
<time>785_00:31:05,562 --> 00:31:06,642</time>
<s>我就马上去了</s>
<time>786_00:31:08,442 --> 00:31:08,802</time>
<s>纸</s>
<time>787_00:31:09,162 --> 00:31:10,602</time>
<s>后来报社批评她</s>
<time>788_00:31:10,962 --> 00:31:11,682</time>
<s>她就跑到新疆去了</s>
<time>789_00:31:12,762 --> 00:31:13,122</time>
<s>绒纸大</s>
<time>790_00:31:16,002 --> 00:31:16,722</time>
<s>等到反右</s>
<time>791_00:31:17,082 --> 00:31:17,802</time>
<s>那个时候还以为</s>
<time>792_00:31:18,162 --> 00:31:19,242</time>
<s>会让我去读大学</s>
<time>793_00:31:21,042 --> 00:31:22,842</time>
<s>没有想到后来搞得那么严重</s>
<time>794_00:31:23,562 --> 00:31:24,642</time>
<s>开除公职</s>
<time>795_00:31:27,162 --> 00:31:28,602</time>
<s>我那时候也是在拉板车</s>
<time>796_00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:30,402</time>
<s>穿一件那样的雨衣</s>
<time>797_00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:33,282</time>
<s>在搬运队也干过一段时候</s>
<time>798_00:31:34,002 --> 00:31:36,522</time>
<s>就是每天去拉一次货</s>
<time>799_00:31:37,602 --> 00:31:39,762</time>
<s>那时候有没有心里很难受</s>
<time>800_00:31:40,122 --> 00:31:41,562</time>
<s>之前是个在报社</s>
<time>801_00:31:41,922 --> 00:31:44,082</time>
<s>难受但是只是肉体上难受</s>
<time>802_00:31:45,162 --> 00:31:45,882</time>
<s>无非是流大汗</s>
<time>803_00:31:46,242 --> 00:31:48,042</time>
<s>晚上睡在床上一身痛</s>
<time>804_00:31:48,762 --> 00:31:49,842</time>
<s>内心没有那么</s>
<time>805_00:31:50,202 --> 00:31:51,642</time>
<s>内心没有什么难受</s>
<time>806_00:31:52,002 --> 00:31:54,162</time>
<s>第一毕竟年纪很轻</s>
<time>807_00:31:54,522 --> 00:31:55,242</time>
<s>没有病</s>
<time>808_00:31:56,322 --> 00:31:56,682</time>
<s>第二</s>
<time>809_00:31:57,042 --> 00:31:58,842</time>
<s>当了右派在被管制</s>
<time>810_00:31:59,202 --> 00:32:01,002</time>
<s>在街道上工厂里面</s>
<time>811_00:32:01,362 --> 00:32:01,722</time>
<s>到没有什么</s>
<time>812_00:32:02,082 --> 00:32:03,522</time>
<s>老百姓并不歧视我们</s>
<time>813_00:32:04,602 --> 00:32:06,042</time>
<s>因为我们这些人并不讨厌嘛</s>
<time>814_00:32:07,842 --> 00:32:09,282</time>
<s>而且我自己认为我也还</s>
<time>815_00:32:09,642 --> 00:32:10,362</time>
<s>够调皮</s>
<time>816_00:32:12,882 --> 00:32:13,242</time>
<s>吃这个可以吗</s>
<time>817_00:32:13,602 --> 00:32:14,682</time>
<s>只要是晕车药就可以</s>
<time>818_00:32:15,762 --> 00:32:16,482</time>
<s>应该都可以</s>
<time>819_00:32:19,722 --> 00:32:20,802</time>
<s>我帮您弄吧</s>
<time>820_00:32:21,162 --> 00:32:21,882</time>
<s>就拿一颗出来就行</s>
<time>821_00:32:22,242 --> 00:32:22,602</time>
<s>一颗是吧</s>
<time>822_00:32:42,402 --> 00:32:43,122</time>
<s>反正我以前年轻的时候</s>
<time>823_00:32:43,482 --> 00:32:44,562</time>
<s>我也比较调皮</s>
<time>824_00:32:46,722 --> 00:32:48,162</time>
<s>这个有名的例子就是</s>
<time>825_00:32:48,522 --> 00:32:50,682</time>
<s>那本《查泰莱夫人的情人》</s>
<time>826_00:32:51,042 --> 00:32:51,402</time>
<s>我那个时候</s>
<time>827_00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:53,562</time>
<s>我在一个街道工厂上拖板车</s>
<time>828_00:32:54,642 --> 00:32:56,442</time>
<s>在旧书店碰到一本这个书</s>
<time>829_00:32:56,802 --> 00:32:57,882</time>
<s>别人拿在手里</s>
<time>830_00:32:58,242 --> 00:32:58,962</time>
<s>我就去买了</s>
<time>831_00:32:59,682 --> 00:33:00,402</time>
<s>他说我要买的</s>
<time>832_00:33:00,762 --> 00:33:01,842</time>
<s>你怎么抢我的书</s>
<time>833_00:33:02,202 --> 00:33:03,642</time>
<s>我说不跟你争着买</s>
<time>834_00:33:04,722 --> 00:33:05,442</time>
<s>但是我问一问</s>
<time>835_00:33:05,802 --> 00:33:06,882</time>
<s>（书）店的营业员</s>
<time>836_00:33:07,962 --> 00:33:09,402</time>
<s>我拿这本书找到他我问</s>
<time>837_00:33:09,762 --> 00:33:11,922</time>
<s>收购旧书是怎么收购的</s>
<time>838_00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:12,642</time>
<s>他说</s>
<time>839_00:33:13,002 --> 00:33:13,362</time>
<s>你看嘛</s>
<time>840_00:33:14,082 --> 00:33:14,442</time>
<s>他指着有一个东西</s>
<time>841_00:33:14,802 --> 00:33:15,882</time>
<s>有张纸写着</s>
<time>842_00:33:16,242 --> 00:33:16,602</time>
<s>收购旧书（规则）</s>
<time>843_00:33:16,962 --> 00:33:17,682</time>
<s>其实我早就看了</s>
<time>844_00:33:18,042 --> 00:33:19,122</time>
<s>我故意去问的</s>
<time>845_00:33:20,922 --> 00:33:22,002</time>
<s>居民来卖旧书</s>
<time>846_00:33:23,082 --> 00:33:23,802</time>
<s>凭户口簿</s>
<time>847_00:33:24,522 --> 00:33:24,882</time>
<s>工人干部（来卖旧书）</s>
<time>848_00:33:25,242 --> 00:33:26,322</time>
<s>凭工作证</s>
<time>849_00:33:26,682 --> 00:33:28,842</time>
<s>学生卖旧书凭学生证</s>
<time>850_00:33:31,362 --> 00:33:32,082</time>
<s>我说就是这一条</s>
<time>851_00:33:32,442 --> 00:33:33,162</time>
<s>你们规定得很不对</s>
<time>852_00:33:33,522 --> 00:33:35,322</time>
<s>我说学生有什么旧书卖</s>
<time>853_00:33:36,762 --> 00:33:37,482</time>
<s>课本你们又不收</s>
<time>854_00:33:37,842 --> 00:33:38,202</time>
<s>对不对</s>
<time>855_00:33:38,922 --> 00:33:41,082</time>
<s>学生的旧书就是偷家里的书</s>
<time>856_00:33:41,802 --> 00:33:42,522</time>
<s>我说这本书就是</s>
<time>857_00:33:42,882 --> 00:33:44,682</time>
<s>我的小孩子拿起来卖给你们的</s>
<time>858_00:33:45,042 --> 00:33:45,762</time>
<s>你们凭学生证买的</s>
<time>859_00:33:46,842 --> 00:33:47,922</time>
<s>他说那这个我们管不着</s>
<time>860_00:33:48,282 --> 00:33:49,362</time>
<s>你有意见呢</s>
<time>861_00:33:49,722 --> 00:33:50,802</time>
<s>把意见薄拿来</s>
<time>862_00:33:51,162 --> 00:33:51,522</time>
<s>跟我们领导提</s>
<time>863_00:33:51,882 --> 00:33:52,962</time>
<s>你写在上面</s>
<time>864_00:33:53,682 --> 00:33:55,122</time>
<s>我说我也不跟你领导提意见了</s>
<time>865_00:33:55,482 --> 00:33:56,922</time>
<s>你这个标价一块钱</s>
<time>866_00:33:57,642 --> 00:33:58,722</time>
<s>我拿一块钱买</s>
<time>867_00:33:59,802 --> 00:34:01,602</time>
<s>作为没有教育好小孩子</s>
<time>868_00:34:01,962 --> 00:34:02,682</time>
<s>付出的代价</s>
<time>869_00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:03,402</time>
<s>行不行</s>
<time>870_00:34:03,762 --> 00:34:04,482</time>
<s>他说那可以</s>
<time>871_00:34:05,922 --> 00:34:06,642</time>
<s>那个人说我要买</s>
<time>872_00:34:07,362 --> 00:34:08,802</time>
<s>那个营业员就站在我这边了</s>
<time>873_00:34:09,161 --> 00:34:10,242</time>
<s>他说这你应该让他买</s>
<time>874_00:34:10,602 --> 00:34:11,682</time>
<s>这是他家里的</s>
<time>875_00:34:12,761 --> 00:34:13,482</time>
<s>我就买了这本书</s>
