<time>1308_00:48:41,082 --> 00:48:41,442</time>
<s>推到这里的时候</s>
<time>1309_00:48:41,802 --> 00:48:43,962</time>
<s>它本身重量就有下垂</s>
<time>1310_00:48:45,042 --> 00:48:45,402</time>
<s>它这个没有问题</s>
<time>1311_00:48:45,762 --> 00:48:46,122</time>
<s>对不对</s>
<time>1312_00:48:46,481 --> 00:48:47,202</time>
<s>力在这里</s>
<time>1313_00:48:48,282 --> 00:48:49,002</time>
<s>这样子使力</s>
<time>1314_00:48:49,361 --> 00:48:51,162</time>
<s>它不会下垂</s>
<time>1315_00:48:54,042 --> 00:48:55,122</time>
<s>您真是什么都会</s>
<time>1316_00:48:56,201 --> 00:48:56,922</time>
<s>我能够做手工</s>
<time>1317_00:48:59,082 --> 00:49:00,162</time>
<s>其实我的本性</s>
<time>1318_00:49:00,521 --> 00:49:00,882</time>
<s>我经常讲</s>
<time>1319_00:49:01,242 --> 00:49:01,962</time>
<s>如果在一个</s>
<time>1320_00:49:02,322 --> 00:49:04,122</time>
<s>真正自己选择职业</s>
<time>1321_00:49:04,482 --> 00:49:05,922</time>
<s>和人生道路的</s>
<time>1322_00:49:07,362 --> 00:49:08,082</time>
<s>制度下面</s>
<time>1323_00:49:10,242 --> 00:49:13,482</time>
<s>我可以成为一个比较好的工匠</s>
<time>1324_00:49:15,282 --> 00:49:15,642</time>
<s>这也是</s>
<time>1325_00:49:16,002 --> 00:49:19,602</time>
<s>我在吴宓的日记里看过一段话</s>
<time>1326_00:49:19,962 --> 00:49:21,402</time>
<s>他们在民国初年</s>
<time>1327_00:49:21,762 --> 00:49:23,562</time>
<s>在美国留学的时候</s>
<time>1328_00:49:23,922 --> 00:49:25,722</time>
<s>在一起几个人在谈话</s>
<time>1329_00:49:26,082 --> 00:49:28,242</time>
<s>陈寅恪发表的一个意见</s>
<time>1330_00:49:28,962 --> 00:49:30,042</time>
<s>陈寅恪说</s>
<time>1331_00:49:30,402 --> 00:49:34,362</time>
<s>万不可以以自已的学问为职业</s>
<time>1332_00:49:37,602 --> 00:49:38,682</time>
<s>这句话的意思是什么</s>
<time>1333_00:49:39,762 --> 00:49:42,282</time>
<s>你如果说以学问为职业</s>
<time>1334_00:49:42,642 --> 00:49:44,082</time>
<s>那你就得有老板</s>
<time>1335_00:49:45,882 --> 00:49:46,242</time>
<s>这个老板</s>
<time>1336_00:49:46,602 --> 00:49:47,322</time>
<s>或者是国家</s>
<time>1337_00:49:48,762 --> 00:49:49,842</time>
<s>或者是资本家</s>
<time>1338_00:49:50,922 --> 00:49:52,722</time>
<s>或者是同行里面的把头</s>
<time>1339_00:49:54,162 --> 00:49:55,602</time>
<s>或者就是你的老师</s>
<time>1340_00:49:57,042 --> 00:49:58,842</time>
<s>那么你就得听他的话</s>
<time>1341_00:50:02,082 --> 00:50:02,802</time>
<s>你的学术研究</s>
<time>1342_00:50:03,162 --> 00:50:04,602</time>
<s>就不可能是自由的</s>
<time>1343_00:50:07,482 --> 00:50:08,922</time>
<s>我原来的确觉得</s>
<time>1344_00:50:09,282 --> 00:50:10,722</time>
<s>我做好一门手艺</s>
<time>1345_00:50:12,522 --> 00:50:13,602</time>
<s>养家糊口</s>
<time>1346_00:50:14,322 --> 00:50:16,122</time>
<s>我再去干自己想干的事</s>
<time>1347_00:50:16,482 --> 00:50:17,922</time>
<s>这个生活是蛮惬意的</s>
<time>1348_00:50:19,362 --> 00:50:20,802</time>
<s>没想到在现实世界</s>
<time>1349_00:50:21,162 --> 00:50:23,322</time>
<s>变成被强迫你去做</s>
<time>1350_00:50:23,682 --> 00:50:24,762</time>
<s>或者说我（必须）做这个东西</s>
<time>1351_00:50:25,122 --> 00:50:26,562</time>
<s>不做就没有饭吃</s>
<time>1352_00:50:27,282 --> 00:50:28,362</time>
<s>这个乐趣就会减少</s>
<time>1353_00:50:30,162 --> 00:50:31,602</time>
<s>你想去改变什么东西</s>
<time>1354_00:50:31,962 --> 00:50:32,322</time>
<s>是改变不了的</s>
<time>1355_00:50:37,002 --> 00:50:39,162</time>
<s>但是人还是可以有些作为的</s>
<time>1356_00:50:39,882 --> 00:50:41,322</time>
<s>至少是去思索</s>
<time>1357_00:50:41,682 --> 00:50:42,402</time>
<s>对于自己</s>
<time>1358_00:50:43,122 --> 00:50:44,202</time>
<s>最重要的是些什么</s>
<time>1359_00:50:58,602 --> 00:50:59,322</time>
<s>不能去那故居</s>
<time>1360_00:51:00,762 --> 00:51:01,482</time>
<s>什么时候开呢</s>
<time>1361_00:51:02,202 --> 00:51:02,922</time>
<s>这说不好</s>
<time>1362_00:51:03,642 --> 00:51:04,002</time>
<s>就一直不开了</s>
<time>1363_00:51:04,362 --> 00:51:05,442</time>
<s>就外人不能看了</s>
<time>1364_00:51:06,162 --> 00:51:06,522</time>
<s>不让随便进</s>
<time>1365_00:51:06,882 --> 00:51:07,602</time>
<s>这是学校</s>
<time>1366_00:51:15,162 --> 00:51:15,522</time>
<s>周老先生</s>
<time>1367_00:51:16,602 --> 00:51:17,682</time>
<s>得知先生仍然康健</s>
<time>1368_00:51:18,042 --> 00:51:18,402</time>
<s>十分高兴</s>
<time>1369_00:51:19,122 --> 00:51:20,922</time>
<s>我一直以为先生文章的真价值</s>
<time>1370_00:51:21,282 --> 00:51:22,362</time>
<s>首先在于他们反映出的</s>
<time>1371_00:51:22,722 --> 00:51:23,442</time>
<s>一种态度</s>
<time>1372_00:51:24,162 --> 00:51:24,882</time>
<s>对自己</s>
<time>1373_00:51:25,242 --> 00:51:25,602</time>
<s>对别人</s>
<time>1374_00:51:25,962 --> 00:51:26,322</time>
<s>对艺术</s>
<time>1375_00:51:26,682 --> 00:51:28,122</time>
<s>对人类的今天和未来</s>
<time>1376_00:51:28,482 --> 00:51:29,922</time>
<s>都能够诚实地冷静地</s>
<time>1377_00:51:30,642 --> 00:51:31,722</time>
<s>然而又是十分积极地去看</s>
<time>1378_00:51:32,442 --> 00:51:33,882</time>
<s>去讲去想去写</s>
<time>1379_00:51:41,082 --> 00:51:42,162</time>
<s>这个好感人</s>
<time>1380_00:51:43,242 --> 00:51:43,962</time>
<s>他在当时</s>
<time>1381_00:51:44,322 --> 00:51:45,042</time>
<s>那个他拉车</s>
<time>1382_00:51:45,762 --> 00:51:47,202</time>
<s>然后就去旧书店逛书店</s>
<time>1383_00:51:47,922 --> 00:51:48,642</time>
<s>他有一次无意中发现了</s>
<time>1384_00:51:49,002 --> 00:51:50,082</time>
<s>那个周作人的</s>
<time>1385_00:51:50,442 --> 00:51:51,162</time>
<s>《苦竹杂记》</s>
<time>1386_00:51:51,522 --> 00:51:52,602</time>
<s>当时旧书店的那些书吧</s>
<time>1387_00:51:52,962 --> 00:51:53,682</time>
<s>一般是三毛钱一本</s>
<time>1388_00:51:54,042 --> 00:51:55,122</time>
<s>这本书竟然是五毛钱</s>
<time>1389_00:51:55,842 --> 00:51:56,202</time>
<s>然后他立刻就跑到</s>
<time>1390_00:51:56,562 --> 00:51:57,282</time>
<s>旁边的杂货店</s>
<time>1391_00:51:57,642 --> 00:51:58,362</time>
<s>他头上戴个帽子</s>
<time>1392_00:51:59,442 --> 00:52:00,882</time>
<s>然后那个是个毡帽</s>
<time>1393_00:52:01,242 --> 00:52:02,682</time>
<s>就要把这个毡帽当给他</s>
<time>1394_00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:03,402</time>
<s>对方说</s>
<time>1395_00:52:03,762 --> 00:52:04,842</time>
<s>这个帽子就值一块钱</s>
<time>1396_00:52:05,202 --> 00:52:06,282</time>
<s>但是当时如果</s>
<time>1397_00:52:06,642 --> 00:52:07,002</time>
<s>（典当超过）一块钱的货物</s>
<time>1398_00:52:07,362 --> 00:52:08,082</time>
<s>就要用户口本登记</s>
<time>1399_00:52:09,162 --> 00:52:09,522</time>
<s>锺先生</s>
<time>1400_00:52:09,882 --> 00:52:10,602</time>
<s>就急着想把书买走</s>
<time>1401_00:52:10,962 --> 00:52:12,402</time>
<s>他说那帽子只卖九毛钱</s>
<time>1402_00:52:12,762 --> 00:52:13,482</time>
<s>这就不用拿户口本</s>
<time>1403_00:52:19,242 --> 00:52:19,962</time>
<s>然后想给周作人写信</s>
<time>1404_00:52:20,682 --> 00:52:21,402</time>
<s>然后发现</s>
<time>1405_00:52:21,762 --> 00:52:22,122</time>
<s>他的自己回忆很有意思</s>
<time>1406_00:52:22,482 --> 00:52:22,842</time>
<s>他说</s>
<time>1407_00:52:23,202 --> 00:52:24,642</time>
<s>特意到小店中买了几张</s>
<time>1408_00:52:25,002 --> 00:52:26,442</time>
<s>一面粗一面光的</s>
<time>1409_00:52:26,802 --> 00:52:27,522</time>
<s>极薄而劣质的</s>
<time>1410_00:52:27,882 --> 00:52:28,962</time>
<s>红色横格的材料纸</s>
<time>1411_00:52:29,322 --> 00:52:30,402</time>
<s>是能找到最好的纸了</s>
<time>1412_00:52:31,122 --> 00:52:32,202</time>
<s>还有一小瓶墨水</s>
<time>1413_00:52:32,562 --> 00:52:32,922</time>
<s>和一支毛笔</s>
<time>1414_00:52:33,282 --> 00:52:34,362</time>
<s>这个毛笔是两角四分钱</s>
<time>1415_00:52:35,442 --> 00:52:36,882</time>
<s>然后周作人就真回信给他了</s>
<time>1416_00:52:37,962 --> 00:52:39,402</time>
<s>想象一个拉板车的</s>
<time>1417_00:52:39,762 --> 00:52:41,202</time>
<s>个子高高的一个长沙年轻人</s>
<time>1418_00:52:41,922 --> 00:52:42,282</time>
<s>然后得到那封（回）信之后</s>
<time>1419_00:52:42,642 --> 00:52:43,362</time>
<s>那种狂喜</s>
<time>1420_00:52:43,722 --> 00:52:44,082</time>
<s>肯定是狂喜</s>
<time>1421_00:52:49,482 --> 00:52:50,922</time>
<s>他那段是非常落魄的时间</s>
<time>1422_00:52:51,282 --> 00:52:51,642</time>
<s>然后</s>
<time>1423_00:52:52,002 --> 00:52:52,722</time>
<s>当年周作人</s>
<time>1424_00:52:53,082 --> 00:52:54,162</time>
<s>也是陷于黑暗之中</s>
<time>1425_00:52:55,962 --> 00:52:56,682</time>
<s>所以周作人肯定想不到</s>
<time>1426_00:52:57,042 --> 00:52:57,762</time>
<s>这个长沙小伙子</s>
<time>1427_00:52:58,122 --> 00:52:59,562</time>
<s>后来给他编了他的全集</s>
<time>1428_00:52:59,922 --> 00:53:00,282</time>
<s>第一个全集</s>
<time>1429_00:53:03,162 --> 00:53:04,242</time>
<s>所以那种恐惧里面那种</s>
<time>1430_00:53:06,042 --> 00:53:07,122</time>
<s>在恐惧那种黑暗里面</s>
<time>1431_00:53:07,482 --> 00:53:08,562</time>
<s>那种希望</s>
<time>1432_00:53:08,922 --> 00:53:09,282</time>
<s>那种勇敢</s>
<time>1433_00:53:09,642 --> 00:53:10,362</time>
<s>真的好动人</s>
<time>1434_00:53:25,122 --> 00:53:26,202</time>
<s>您拉的什么这曲子</s>
<time>1435_00:53:26,562 --> 00:53:26,922</time>
<s>这不吗</s>
<time>1436_00:53:27,282 --> 00:53:28,722</time>
<s>《等了那么久》</s>
<time>1437_00:53:29,082 --> 00:53:29,802</time>
<s>对啊真好</s>
<time>1438_00:53:37,002 --> 00:53:37,722</time>
<s>特好的曲子</s>
<time>1439_00:53:38,442 --> 00:53:39,162</time>
<s>等你等了那么久</s>
<time>1440_00:53:40,602 --> 00:53:41,682</time>
<s>你看张德彝</s>
<time>1441_00:53:42,042 --> 00:53:43,482</time>
<s>等锤先生等了那么久</s>
<time>1442_00:53:43,842 --> 00:53:44,562</time>
<s>然后或许锺先生</s>
<time>1443_00:53:44,922 --> 00:53:46,002</time>
<s>他也等了我们一些年</s>
<time>1444_00:53:49,962 --> 00:53:51,042</time>
<s>所有的历史</s>
<time>1445_00:53:51,402 --> 00:53:53,922</time>
<s>都不会按照公式去进行</s>
<time>1446_00:53:55,722 --> 00:53:57,162</time>
<s>每个国家</s>
<time>1447_00:53:57,522 --> 00:53:58,242</time>
<s>和每个人一样的</s>
<time>1448_00:53:58,602 --> 00:53:59,682</time>
<s>都有它的个性的</s>
<time>1449_00:54:01,482 --> 00:54:03,642</time>
<s>它走的都是特殊的道路</s>
<time>1450_00:54:04,002 --> 00:54:05,082</time>
<s>甚至有一些时候</s>
<time>1451_00:54:05,442 --> 00:54:06,162</time>
<s>一些偶然的人</s>
<time>1452_00:54:06,522 --> 00:54:07,962</time>
<s>或者偶然的事情</s>
<time>1453_00:54:08,322 --> 00:54:10,122</time>
<s>可以影响历史几百年</s>
<time>1454_00:54:11,562 --> 00:54:13,002</time>
<s>这是我们做不了主的事情</s>
<time>1455_00:54:14,082 --> 00:54:15,162</time>
<s>好比我生来是</s>
<time>1456_00:54:15,522 --> 00:54:16,242</time>
<s>锺昌言的儿子</s>
<time>1457_00:54:16,602 --> 00:54:18,762</time>
<s>这个我没有选择的自由的</s>
<time>1458_00:54:20,922 --> 00:54:21,642</time>
<s>你们还很好</s>
<time>1459_00:54:22,362 --> 00:54:23,082</time>
<s>你到我这个时候</s>
<time>1460_00:54:23,442 --> 00:54:24,882</time>
<s>你还有四五十年</s>
<time>1461_00:54:25,962 --> 00:54:27,402</time>
<s>你还会看到很多东西</s>
<time>1462_00:54:28,482 --> 00:54:31,002</time>
<s>而且我认为它是一个加速度</s>
<time>1463_00:54:31,362 --> 00:54:33,882</time>
<s>历史的变化不是匀速的运动</s>
<time>1464_00:54:34,242 --> 00:54:35,682</time>
<s>是加速度的运动</s>
<time>1465_00:54:36,042 --> 00:54:37,482</time>
<s>将来你会看到很多变故</s>
<time>1466_00:54:37,842 --> 00:54:39,282</time>
<s>也会经历很多事情</s>
<time>1467_00:54:39,642 --> 00:54:40,722</time>
<s>到那个时候你会回想起</s>
<time>1468_00:54:41,082 --> 00:54:41,802</time>
<s>今天我们的谈话</s>
<time>1469_00:54:43,602 --> 00:54:44,322</time>
<s>一定会想起来的</s>
<time>1470_00:54:46,122 --> 00:54:46,842</time>
<s>其实我的经历</s>
<time>1471_00:54:47,202 --> 00:54:48,642</time>
<s>我没有什么很多故事</s>
<time>1472_00:54:49,722 --> 00:54:50,442</time>
<s>首先来讲我一生</s>
<time>1473_00:54:50,802 --> 00:54:51,882</time>
<s>就很少离开长沙</s>
<time>1474_00:54:52,242 --> 00:54:54,402</time>
<s>我只抗战八年在平江</s>
<time>1475_00:54:54,762 --> 00:54:55,842</time>
<s>再就是坐牢坐了八年</s>
<time>1476_00:54:56,202 --> 00:54:56,922</time>
<s>在牢里面</s>
<time>1477_00:54:57,282 --> 00:54:57,642</time>
<s>在茶陵</s>
<time>1478_00:54:59,442 --> 00:55:00,522</time>
<s>我首先来讲</s>
<time>1479_00:55:00,882 --> 00:55:01,602</time>
<s>没有什么资格</s>
<time>1480_00:55:01,962 --> 00:55:04,122</time>
<s>可以向年轻人说教</s>
<time>1481_00:55:04,482 --> 00:55:05,922</time>
<s>不论从什么意义上来讲</s>
<time>1482_00:55:06,282 --> 00:55:08,442</time>
<s>我都不是一个成功的人生</s>
<time>1483_00:55:08,802 --> 00:55:10,962</time>
<s>我也没有什么很多经验</s>
<time>1484_00:55:11,322 --> 00:55:12,042</time>
<s>要去谈</s>
<time>1485_00:55:12,402 --> 00:55:13,842</time>
<s>我自己当然有我的后代</s>
<time>1486_00:55:14,202 --> 00:55:16,002</time>
<s>我对她们有什么话说</s>
<time>1487_00:55:16,362 --> 00:55:18,162</time>
<s>翻来覆去讲的比较多的</s>
<time>1488_00:55:18,522 --> 00:55:19,962</time>
<s>就是如果有可能的时候</s>
<time>1489_00:55:20,322 --> 00:55:21,042</time>
<s>多读一些书</s>
<time>1490_00:55:22,122 --> 00:55:22,842</time>
<s>多看一点书</s>
<time>1491_00:55:23,922 --> 00:55:26,442</time>
<s>我认为书读得越多越好</s>
<time>1492_00:55:26,802 --> 00:55:27,882</time>
<s>我也并没有什么建议</s>
<time>1493_00:55:28,242 --> 00:55:29,682</time>
<s>要读哪一类的书</s>
<time>1494_00:55:30,042 --> 00:55:31,122</time>
<s>要读谁的书</s>
<time>1495_00:55:31,482 --> 00:55:33,282</time>
<s>我认为书是所有的书</s>
<time>1496_00:55:33,642 --> 00:55:35,082</time>
<s>只要是书</s>
<time>1497_00:55:35,442 --> 00:55:37,602</time>
<s>有些是不能够称之为书的</s>
<time>1498_00:55:39,042 --> 00:55:41,202</time>
<s>那我们不去展开这个问题去谈</s>
<time>1499_00:55:41,562 --> 00:55:43,722</time>
<s>多看总是有益的</s>
<time>1500_00:55:44,082 --> 00:55:44,802</time>
<s>不管是什么事情</s>
<time>1501_00:55:45,162 --> 00:55:45,882</time>
<s>什么书</s>
<time>1502_00:55:46,242 --> 00:55:47,682</time>
<s>比如说看这个《细木工作业》</s>
<time>1503_00:55:48,042 --> 00:55:49,842</time>
<s>知道欧洲的刨子是什么样的形状</s>
<time>1504_00:55:50,202 --> 00:55:51,282</time>
<s>知道也好</s>
<time>1505_00:55:52,362 --> 00:55:53,802</time>
<s>这也是世界的一部分</s>
<time>1506_00:55:59,562 --> 00:56:00,282</time>
<s>您先吃饭吧</s>
<time>1507_00:56:00,642 --> 00:56:01,002</time>
<s>没有关系</s>
<time>1508_00:56:01,722 --> 00:56:03,882</time>
<s>我平时吃饭也比较晚</s>
<time>1509_00:56:04,242 --> 00:56:06,042</time>
<s>并不一定十二点准时吃</s>
<time>1510_00:56:06,402 --> 00:56:07,842</time>
<s>你们如果还有什么东西要谈</s>
<time>1511_00:56:08,202 --> 00:56:10,002</time>
<s>随便我们都可以谈</s>
<time>1512_00:56:10,362 --> 00:56:11,082</time>
<s>你们都问问吧</s>
<time>1513_00:56:11,802 --> 00:56:12,162</time>
<s>赶紧这个</s>
<time>1514_00:56:13,602 --> 00:56:14,682</time>
<s>问问人生困惑</s>
<time>1515_00:56:15,042 --> 00:56:15,402</time>
<s>来</s>
<time>1516_00:56:17,202 --> 00:56:17,562</time>
<s>小孩子都问一问</s>
<time>1517_00:56:17,922 --> 00:56:18,282</time>
<s>他们肯定很（多困惑）</s>
<time>1518_00:56:20,082 --> 00:56:20,802</time>
<s>现在的年轻人</s>
<time>1519_00:56:21,162 --> 00:56:21,882</time>
<s>应该说比原来的</s>
<time>1520_00:56:22,242 --> 00:56:24,042</time>
<s>一代比一代人都聪明</s>
<time>1521_00:56:25,122 --> 00:56:25,482</time>
<s>想问一下</s>
<time>1522_00:56:25,842 --> 00:56:26,562</time>
<s>不好意思</s>
<time>1523_00:56:26,922 --> 00:56:27,642</time>
<s>湖南人是吧</s>
<time>1524_00:56:28,002 --> 00:56:28,362</time>
<s>长沙人</s>
<time>1525_00:56:28,722 --> 00:56:29,442</time>
<s>就用长沙话问吧</s>
<time>1526_00:56:30,522 --> 00:56:31,242</time>
<s>可以</s>
<time>1527_00:56:31,602 --> 00:56:32,682</time>
<s>就是我想问一下锺</s>
<time>1528_00:56:33,762 --> 00:56:34,482</time>
<s>就是我会感觉</s>
<time>1529_00:56:34,842 --> 00:56:35,922</time>
<s>这两年我自己</s>
<time>1530_00:56:36,282 --> 00:56:37,002</time>
<s>还有好多我的朋友们</s>
<time>1531_00:56:37,362 --> 00:56:39,882</time>
<s>好像都会有一种无力的感觉</s>
<time>1532_00:56:40,962 --> 00:56:42,042</time>
<s>就面对一些事情</s>
<time>1533_00:56:42,402 --> 00:56:43,482</time>
<s>或者是整个世界的变化</s>
<time>1534_00:56:44,202 --> 00:56:46,002</time>
<s>好多事情你觉得不对</s>
<time>1535_00:56:46,362 --> 00:56:48,882</time>
<s>但是好像又确实没什么对策</s>
<time>1536_00:56:50,322 --> 00:56:53,562</time>
<s>我首先有一个基本观点</s>
<time>1537_00:56:53,922 --> 00:56:54,642</time>
<s>社会的文明</s>
<time>1538_00:56:55,002 --> 00:56:56,802</time>
<s>和社会的开放的程度</s>
<time>1539_00:56:57,522 --> 00:57:00,402</time>
<s>毕竟还是在慢慢进步的</s>
<time>1540_00:57:01,122 --> 00:57:01,482</time>
<s>我们这个国家</s>
<time>1541_00:57:01,842 --> 00:57:03,282</time>
<s>正因为传统很好</s>
<time>1542_00:57:04,362 --> 00:57:07,242</time>
<s>我们有可以自傲的传统文明</s>
<time>1543_00:57:07,962 --> 00:57:10,842</time>
<s>所以它的保守性也是特别强的</s>
<time>1544_00:57:11,202 --> 00:57:14,442</time>
<s>所以我们在走向全球文明</s>
<time>1545_00:57:14,802 --> 00:57:16,962</time>
<s>会是一条漫长曲折的道路</s>
<time>1546_00:57:18,042 --> 00:57:19,122</time>
<s>它会比较长</s>
<time>1547_00:57:19,482 --> 00:57:21,642</time>
<s>而这个根本解决问题的</s>
<time>1548_00:57:22,002 --> 00:57:24,882</time>
<s>还是要使所有人的思想</s>
<time>1549_00:57:25,242 --> 00:57:26,322</time>
<s>现代化起来</s>
<time>1550_00:57:26,682 --> 00:57:28,122</time>
<s>这个好像讲起来</s>
<time>1551_00:57:28,482 --> 00:57:28,842</time>
<s>读了大学</s>
<time>1552_00:57:29,202 --> 00:57:30,642</time>
<s>又读了研究生的人思想</s>
<time>1553_00:57:31,002 --> 00:57:32,442</time>
<s>当然是现代化的思想</s>
<time>1554_00:57:32,802 --> 00:57:33,522</time>
<s>那不见得</s>
<time>1555_00:57:34,242 --> 00:57:36,042</time>
<s>我自己的体会是如此</s>
<time>1556_00:57:37,122 --> 00:57:37,482</time>
<s>不一定</s>
<time>1557_00:57:38,202 --> 00:57:39,642</time>
<s>就是回到最早一批</s>
<time>1558_00:57:40,002 --> 00:57:40,722</time>
<s>走向世界的人的</s>
<time>1559_00:57:41,082 --> 00:57:42,522</time>
<s>口号并没有过时</s>
<time>1560_00:57:42,882 --> 00:57:44,682</time>
<s>梁启超讲的要“做新民”</s>
<time>1561_00:57:46,122 --> 00:57:47,562</time>
<s>提高全民的</s>
<time>1562_00:57:47,922 --> 00:57:50,082</time>
<s>常识和情理</s>
<time>1563_00:57:51,882 --> 00:57:53,322</time>
<s>我记得朱正跟我说过一句话</s>
<time>1564_00:57:53,682 --> 00:57:55,122</time>
<s>他自己不一定记得</s>
<time>1565_00:57:55,482 --> 00:57:56,922</time>
<s>就是1957年“反右派”以后</s>
<time>1566_00:57:57,282 --> 00:57:58,722</time>
<s>接着搞一个运动</s>
<time>1567_00:57:59,082 --> 00:58:00,522</time>
<s>叫“除四害”</s>
<time>1568_00:58:01,602 --> 00:58:02,322</time>
<s>每个人每天要</s>
<time>1569_00:58:02,682 --> 00:58:04,122</time>
<s>交多少蚊子苍蝇</s>
<time>1570_00:58:05,562 --> 00:58:07,362</time>
<s>朱正和我两个在一起就说</s>
<time>1571_00:58:07,722 --> 00:58:10,602</time>
<s>这种作为全民运动这是</s>
<time>1572_00:58:10,962 --> 00:58:12,042</time>
<s>没有任何意义的</s>
<time>1573_00:58:12,402 --> 00:58:12,762</time>
<s>不上班</s>
<time>1574_00:58:13,122 --> 00:58:14,562</time>
<s>大家都晚上不睡觉</s>
<time>1575_00:58:14,922 --> 00:58:15,642</time>
<s>去捉蚊子</s>
<time>1576_00:58:16,002 --> 00:58:16,362</time>
<s>捉苍蝇</s>
<time>1577_00:58:16,722 --> 00:58:17,802</time>
<s>捉不完的</s>
<time>1578_00:58:18,882 --> 00:58:21,762</time>
<s>蚊子滋生的环境没有改变</s>
<time>1579_00:58:22,482 --> 00:58:23,202</time>
<s>另外一个人就说</s>
<time>1580_00:58:23,562 --> 00:58:24,642</time>
<s>我们现在这些人</s>
<time>1581_00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:26,442</time>
<s>如果有一半的人</s>
<time>1582_00:58:26,802 --> 00:58:28,242</time>
<s>像我们这样的认识</s>
<time>1583_00:58:28,602 --> 00:58:30,042</time>
<s>这个运动自然没有了</s>
<time>1584_00:58:31,842 --> 00:58:33,642</time>
<s>我认为这个话就说到了点子上</s>
<time>1585_00:58:34,722 --> 00:58:35,442</time>
<s>假如我们都有这个认识</s>
<time>1586_00:58:35,802 --> 00:58:36,522</time>
<s>我不干这个事情</s>
<time>1587_00:58:36,882 --> 00:58:40,482</time>
<s>我不可能去反对这个运动</s>
<time>1588_00:58:40,842 --> 00:58:41,922</time>
<s>我不动可以吧</s>
<time>1589_00:58:43,002 --> 00:58:43,722</time>
<s>我装病</s>
<time>1590_00:58:44,082 --> 00:58:44,442</time>
<s>我病了</s>
<time>1591_00:58:44,802 --> 00:58:45,522</time>
<s>我睡在床上</s>
<time>1592_00:58:45,882 --> 00:58:46,602</time>
<s>不上班</s>
<time>1593_00:58:48,402 --> 00:58:49,482</time>
<s>全国人民都不干</s>
<time>1594_00:58:49,842 --> 00:58:50,562</time>
<s>自然就干不了</s>
<time>1595_00:58:51,642 --> 00:58:53,082</time>
<s>我们这里不仅是干</s>
<time>1596_00:58:53,442 --> 00:58:54,522</time>
<s>而且他还更积极</s>
<time>1597_00:58:54,882 --> 00:58:55,962</time>
<s>领导讲消灭一个</s>
<time>1598_00:58:56,322 --> 00:58:57,762</time>
<s>他还要消灭十个</s>
<time>1599_00:58:58,842 --> 00:58:59,922</time>
<s>有这样的人</s>
<time>1600_00:59:00,282 --> 00:59:01,722</time>
<s>就是这样的现实</s>
<time>1601_00:59:02,082 --> 00:59:02,802</time>
<s>这有什么办法</s>
<time>1602_00:59:03,162 --> 00:59:05,322</time>
<s>就要尽力去启蒙</s>
<time>1603_00:59:06,762 --> 00:59:08,202</time>
<s>所以现在我讲一句真心话</s>
<time>1604_00:59:08,562 --> 00:59:10,362</time>
<s>我是觉得我写的每一篇</s>
<time>1605_00:59:10,722 --> 00:59:11,442</time>
<s>哪怕是一则短文</s>
<time>1606_00:59:11,802 --> 00:59:12,882</time>
<s>我尽量的</s>
<time>1607_00:59:13,242 --> 00:59:13,962</time>
<s>都是希望能够</s>
<time>1608_00:59:14,322 --> 00:59:15,042</time>
<s>起一点作用</s>
<time>1609_00:59:15,402 --> 00:59:17,202</time>
<s>当然我的水平只有那么高</s>
<time>1610_00:59:17,562 --> 00:59:19,002</time>
<s>我的文笔只有那么好</s>
<time>1611_00:59:19,362 --> 00:59:21,522</time>
<s>不可能达到很多作用</s>
<time>1612_00:59:21,882 --> 00:59:24,042</time>
<s>但是我是朝着那个方向在努力</s>
<time>1613_00:59:26,202 --> 00:59:27,642</time>
<s>我没有任何经济压力</s>
<time>1614_00:59:28,002 --> 00:59:29,082</time>
<s>我不需要赚钱</s>
<time>1615_00:59:29,442 --> 00:59:30,522</time>
<s>我不要讲家具不要更新</s>
<time>1616_00:59:30,882 --> 00:59:31,962</time>
<s>我的衣裳也不要更新了</s>
<time>1617_00:59:32,682 --> 00:59:34,482</time>
<s>我穿不烂这件衣服了</s>
<time>1618_01:01:04,842 --> 01:01:29,322</time>
<s>有看待方式。</s><s>*许知远</s>
