<time>880_00:25:34,362 --> 00:25:36,162</time>
<s>还是很坚强很善良的</s>
<time>881_00:25:37,242 --> 00:25:37,602</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>882_00:25:40,842 --> 00:25:41,922</time>
<s>你觉得友情对你</s>
<time>883_00:25:42,282 --> 00:25:43,002</time>
<s>杨铭也好霍泥芳也好</s>
<time>884_00:25:43,362 --> 00:25:44,442</time>
<s>你们好像有一种</s>
<time>885_00:25:44,802 --> 00:25:45,882</time>
<s>很特别的那种</s>
<time>886_00:25:46,242 --> 00:25:47,322</time>
<s>亲人式的友情似的</s>
<time>887_00:25:47,682 --> 00:25:48,402</time>
<s>我觉得可能因为我们</s>
<time>888_00:25:48,762 --> 00:25:49,482</time>
<s>都是独生子女</s>
<time>889_00:25:50,202 --> 00:25:50,922</time>
<s>所以大家可能</s>
<time>890_00:25:51,282 --> 00:25:53,082</time>
<s>在不自觉的时候就把一些人</s>
<time>891_00:25:53,442 --> 00:25:54,522</time>
<s>当成自己的兄弟姐妹了</s>
<time>892_00:25:55,242 --> 00:25:55,602</time>
<s>然后霍泥芳是</s>
<time>893_00:25:55,962 --> 00:25:56,682</time>
<s>我们家孩子的干妈</s>
<time>894_00:25:57,402 --> 00:25:58,842</time>
<s>就也是亲戚的一种</s>
<time>895_00:25:59,922 --> 00:26:01,002</time>
<s>我从来没有觉得孤独</s>
<time>896_00:26:01,362 --> 00:26:02,442</time>
<s>可能就是因为</s>
<time>897_00:26:02,802 --> 00:26:03,522</time>
<s>有这样的朋友</s>
<time>898_00:26:04,962 --> 00:26:05,682</time>
<s>包括你说你做的</s>
<time>899_00:26:06,042 --> 00:26:07,482</time>
<s>很多这些</s>
<time>900_00:26:07,842 --> 00:26:08,562</time>
<s>视频节目也好</s>
<time>901_00:26:09,282 --> 00:26:10,722</time>
<s>它是不是还是挺典型的</s>
<time>902_00:26:11,442 --> 00:26:12,882</time>
<s>等于是反映你们这代很多</s>
<time>903_00:26:13,962 --> 00:26:15,042</time>
<s>心境表达方式</s>
<time>904_00:26:15,402 --> 00:26:15,762</time>
<s>什么各种</s>
<time>905_00:26:16,122 --> 00:26:16,842</time>
<s>我不知道我</s>
<time>906_00:26:17,562 --> 00:26:18,282</time>
<s>其实我也不知道</s>
<time>907_00:26:18,642 --> 00:26:20,082</time>
<s>我们这一代人到底是什么样</s>
<time>908_00:26:20,802 --> 00:26:21,522</time>
<s>我只能代表我自己</s>
<time>909_00:26:23,682 --> 00:26:24,762</time>
<s>比如说你们开始</s>
<time>910_00:26:25,482 --> 00:26:26,562</time>
<s>《小时代》电影院门口那个</s>
<time>911_00:26:26,922 --> 00:26:28,002</time>
<s>是你们第一次一块儿拍吧</s>
<time>912_00:26:28,362 --> 00:26:29,082</time>
<s>对第一次</s>
<time>913_00:26:29,442 --> 00:26:30,882</time>
<s>她那时候还在中戏读书是吧</s>
<time>914_00:26:31,242 --> 00:26:31,962</time>
<s>在研究生期间</s>
<time>915_00:26:32,682 --> 00:26:33,042</time>
<s>然后那个时候我呢</s>
<time>916_00:26:33,402 --> 00:26:34,482</time>
<s>是还在演员的时候</s>
<time>917_00:26:35,202 --> 00:26:36,282</time>
<s>有的时候就没戏拍</s>
<time>918_00:26:37,002 --> 00:26:37,362</time>
<s>然后</s>
<time>919_00:26:38,442 --> 00:26:39,522</time>
<s>然后就也会去找她玩</s>
<time>920_00:26:39,882 --> 00:26:41,322</time>
<s>当时觉得她有点兴趣</s>
<time>921_00:26:41,682 --> 00:26:42,762</time>
<s>想做这个事</s>
<time>922_00:26:43,122 --> 00:26:44,202</time>
<s>完全不知道未来会怎么样</s>
<time>923_00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:45,282</time>
<s>就觉得好玩</s>
<time>924_00:26:46,002 --> 00:26:47,082</time>
<s>然后说要不然咱俩一块弄</s>
<time>925_00:26:47,442 --> 00:26:47,802</time>
<s>我就说行现在</s>
<time>926_00:26:48,162 --> 00:26:48,882</time>
<s>就会聊这些事</s>
<time>927_00:26:49,602 --> 00:26:51,042</time>
<s>比如说你们中戏的学生</s>
<time>928_00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:52,122</time>
<s>即使你要做影视</s>
<time>929_00:26:52,482 --> 00:26:53,202</time>
<s>也是对大屏幕有某种</s>
<time>930_00:26:53,562 --> 00:26:54,282</time>
<s>更强的那种感受</s>
<time>931_00:26:54,642 --> 00:26:55,722</time>
<s>你们会对</s>
<time>932_00:26:56,082 --> 00:26:57,162</time>
<s>这样的一个短的视频</s>
<time>933_00:26:57,522 --> 00:26:58,242</time>
<s>这种舞台</s>
<time>934_00:26:58,962 --> 00:26:59,682</time>
<s>会有偏见吗</s>
<time>935_00:27:00,042 --> 00:27:01,122</time>
<s>我明白您的意思</s>
<time>936_00:27:01,482 --> 00:27:03,282</time>
<s>我跟姜逸磊俩人呢</s>
<time>937_00:27:03,642 --> 00:27:04,002</time>
<s>其实没有</s>
<time>938_00:27:04,722 --> 00:27:05,442</time>
<s>但是就是</s>
<time>939_00:27:05,802 --> 00:27:06,882</time>
<s>很多中戏的我们的</s>
<time>940_00:27:07,242 --> 00:27:07,602</time>
<s>这个系统里面</s>
<time>941_00:27:07,962 --> 00:27:09,762</time>
<s>他们一开始都会觉得</s>
<time>942_00:27:10,122 --> 00:27:11,202</time>
<s>姜逸磊为啥在做这个</s>
<time>943_00:27:12,642 --> 00:27:13,722</time>
<s>是看不太上的</s>
<time>944_00:27:14,082 --> 00:27:15,522</time>
<s>包括我再去这种</s>
<time>945_00:27:15,882 --> 00:27:16,602</time>
<s>八大院校</s>
<time>946_00:27:16,962 --> 00:27:18,402</time>
<s>介绍papitube是怎么的时候</s>
<time>947_00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:20,562</time>
<s>很多人其实也是看不太起的</s>
<time>948_00:27:20,922 --> 00:27:22,002</time>
<s>还是会觉得这个东西</s>
<time>949_00:27:22,362 --> 00:27:22,722</time>
<s>太低端了</s>
<time>950_00:27:23,082 --> 00:27:23,802</time>
<s>这已经是哪年了</s>
<time>951_00:27:24,162 --> 00:27:25,242</time>
<s>你去那边这已经是</s>
<time>952_00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:26,322</time>
<s>20182019年了</s>
<time>953_00:27:26,682 --> 00:27:27,762</time>
<s>还是这种普遍的偏见</s>
<time>954_00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:29,562</time>
<s>百分之五十以上</s>
<time>955_00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:31,002</time>
<s>姜逸磊当时什么反应</s>
<time>956_00:27:31,362 --> 00:27:32,442</time>
<s>就无视</s>
<time>957_00:27:33,162 --> 00:27:33,882</time>
<s>我觉得姜逸磊这一点</s>
<time>958_00:27:34,242 --> 00:27:34,962</time>
<s>蛮厉害的</s>
<time>959_00:27:35,322 --> 00:27:35,682</time>
<s>你想</s>
<time>960_00:27:36,042 --> 00:27:37,482</time>
<s>从2015年大概夏天的时候</s>
<time>961_00:27:37,842 --> 00:27:38,202</time>
<s>我们就在拍了</s>
<time>962_00:27:38,562 --> 00:27:40,362</time>
<s>中间有非常多的人的不认可</s>
<time>963_00:27:40,722 --> 00:27:41,442</time>
<s>不知道你在干嘛</s>
<time>964_00:27:41,802 --> 00:27:42,522</time>
<s>又不赚钱</s>
<time>965_00:27:42,882 --> 00:27:43,242</time>
<s>一直在拍</s>
<time>966_00:27:44,322 --> 00:27:45,402</time>
<s>那其实真正到她火</s>
<time>967_00:27:45,762 --> 00:27:47,202</time>
<s>是2015年年底了</s>
<time>968_00:27:47,562 --> 00:27:48,282</time>
<s>半年呢</s>
<time>969_00:27:48,642 --> 00:27:49,362</time>
<s>你觉得是什么东西让她</s>
<time>970_00:27:49,722 --> 00:27:50,082</time>
<s>坚持下来的</s>
<time>971_00:27:50,802 --> 00:27:51,162</time>
<s>喜欢呀</s>
<time>972_00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:54,042</time>
<s>因为她在这个时候</s>
<time>973_00:27:54,402 --> 00:27:56,202</time>
<s>很像是做一个自己的作品</s>
<time>974_00:27:56,562 --> 00:27:57,642</time>
<s>无非就是排大戏这个东西</s>
<time>975_00:27:58,002 --> 00:27:59,442</time>
<s>变成了在短视频上呈现</s>
<time>976_00:27:59,802 --> 00:28:00,882</time>
<s>但是它完完整整是</s>
<time>977_00:28:01,242 --> 00:28:02,322</time>
<s>她想表达的东西</s>
<time>978_00:28:03,042 --> 00:28:03,762</time>
<s>尤其一开始的时候</s>
<time>979_00:28:04,122 --> 00:28:05,562</time>
<s>她自己就是这个戏的编剧</s>
<time>980_00:28:05,922 --> 00:28:07,362</time>
<s>导演所有的服化道</s>
<time>981_00:28:07,722 --> 00:28:09,522</time>
<s>包括录音摄影</s>
<time>982_00:28:10,242 --> 00:28:10,602</time>
<s>都是她</s>
<time>983_00:28:10,962 --> 00:28:12,402</time>
<s>所以创造力的维度</s>
<time>984_00:28:12,762 --> 00:28:13,482</time>
<s>是不一样的</s>
<time>985_00:28:16,722 --> 00:28:17,082</time>
<s>怎么说呢</s>
<time>986_00:28:18,882 --> 00:28:19,962</time>
<s>我没有什么想做的事情</s>
<time>987_00:28:21,042 --> 00:28:22,122</time>
<s>我到现在为止可能拍</s>
<time>988_00:28:22,482 --> 00:28:23,922</time>
<s>短视频就做这种</s>
<time>989_00:28:25,002 --> 00:28:26,442</time>
<s>这种体量的创作</s>
<time>990_00:28:26,802 --> 00:28:27,882</time>
<s>可能还真是我最喜欢的事情</s>
<time>991_00:28:28,962 --> 00:28:30,762</time>
<s>为什么这个方式你觉得最</s>
<time>992_00:28:31,122 --> 00:28:32,202</time>
<s>喜欢或者最让你</s>
<time>993_00:28:32,562 --> 00:28:34,362</time>
<s>因为脑子里的想法太多了</s>
<time>994_00:28:34,722 --> 00:28:35,802</time>
<s>就需要不断地</s>
<time>995_00:28:36,162 --> 00:28:36,522</time>
<s>释放出去</s>
<time>996_00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:37,962</time>
<s>对这是你用别的</s>
<time>997_00:28:38,322 --> 00:28:40,122</time>
<s>表达的方法表现的形式</s>
<time>998_00:28:40,482 --> 00:28:41,202</time>
<s>所达不到的</s>
<time>999_00:28:41,562 --> 00:28:42,642</time>
<s>把它写成剧本</s>
<time>1000_00:28:43,002 --> 00:28:43,362</time>
<s>写成文章</s>
<time>1001_00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:45,522</time>
<s>它有很多东西很难用文字</s>
<time>1002_00:28:45,882 --> 00:28:46,602</time>
<s>去给它写出来</s>
<time>1003_00:28:46,962 --> 00:28:48,042</time>
<s>拍电视剧排成舞台剧</s>
<time>1004_00:28:48,402 --> 00:28:48,762</time>
<s>周期太长</s>
<time>1005_00:28:49,122 --> 00:28:50,202</time>
<s>然后它体量也没有那么大</s>
<time>1006_00:28:50,922 --> 00:28:52,362</time>
<s>所以可能短视频反而是</s>
<time>1007_00:28:52,722 --> 00:28:54,162</time>
<s>给我提供了一个很好的</s>
<time>1008_00:28:54,522 --> 00:28:56,322</time>
<s>去表达我自己想法的一个</s>
<time>1009_00:28:56,682 --> 00:28:57,762</time>
<s>手段</s>
<time>1010_00:28:58,122 --> 00:28:59,922</time>
<s>因为一开始从第一条开始</s>
<time>1011_00:29:00,642 --> 00:29:02,082</time>
<s>没多久中间过了半年</s>
<time>1012_00:29:02,442 --> 00:29:04,602</time>
<s>其实就是一个爆炸性的成功</s>
<time>1013_00:29:04,962 --> 00:29:06,042</time>
<s>你现在回忆起来</s>
<time>1014_00:29:06,402 --> 00:29:08,202</time>
<s>那种冲击到底什么感觉</s>
<time>1015_00:29:09,282 --> 00:29:10,362</time>
<s>就它其实分好几层</s>
<time>1016_00:29:10,722 --> 00:29:11,802</time>
<s>你真说第一反应的话</s>
<time>1017_00:29:12,162 --> 00:29:12,522</time>
<s>就是很开儿</s>
<time>1018_00:29:13,602 --> 00:29:14,322</time>
<s>但是呢对你来说</s>
<time>1019_00:29:14,682 --> 00:29:15,402</time>
<s>没有什么影响</s>
<time>1020_00:29:15,762 --> 00:29:16,842</time>
<s>它所有的这些都体现在</s>
<time>1021_00:29:17,202 --> 00:29:18,642</time>
<s>数字上转发了多少</s>
<time>1022_00:29:19,362 --> 00:29:20,082</time>
<s>你的生活没有改变</s>
<time>1023_00:29:21,162 --> 00:29:21,522</time>
<s>然后慢慢地</s>
<time>1024_00:29:21,882 --> 00:29:22,962</time>
<s>对你的讨论越来越多了</s>
<time>1025_00:29:23,322 --> 00:29:24,402</time>
<s>甚至是你走在路上</s>
<time>1026_00:29:24,762 --> 00:29:25,122</time>
<s>会有人认出你了</s>
<time>1027_00:29:25,482 --> 00:29:26,562</time>
<s>你才开始觉得这个东西</s>
<time>1028_00:29:26,922 --> 00:29:27,642</time>
<s>入侵到你的生活了</s>
<time>1029_00:29:28,362 --> 00:29:29,802</time>
<s>就你不知道怎么去面对</s>
<time>1030_00:29:30,522 --> 00:29:31,602</time>
<s>再到后来就是</s>
<time>1031_00:29:31,962 --> 00:29:32,682</time>
<s>恐惧了嘛</s>
<time>1032_00:29:33,042 --> 00:29:33,402</time>
<s>很恐慌</s>
<time>1033_00:29:33,762 --> 00:29:34,122</time>
<s>那时候很恐慌</s>
<time>1034_00:29:34,482 --> 00:29:35,562</time>
<s>恐慌是大概什么阶段</s>
<time>1035_00:29:36,642 --> 00:29:37,362</time>
<s>出名没多长时间</s>
<time>1036_00:29:37,722 --> 00:29:38,442</time>
<s>就开始恐慌了</s>
<time>1037_00:29:38,802 --> 00:29:39,522</time>
<s>你当时只觉得</s>
<time>1038_00:29:39,882 --> 00:29:40,962</time>
<s>互联网太可怕了</s>
<time>1039_00:29:42,762 --> 00:29:43,482</time>
<s>奇奇怪怪的声音太多了</s>
<time>1040_00:29:44,562 --> 00:29:46,362</time>
<s>是你自己没有接触过的</s>
<time>1041_00:29:47,082 --> 00:29:47,442</time>
<s>适应不了</s>
<time>1042_00:29:47,802 --> 00:29:48,882</time>
<s>你怎么（应对）</s>
<time>1043_00:29:49,242 --> 00:29:51,402</time>
<s>打电话给杨铭哭</s>
<time>1044_00:29:52,122 --> 00:29:53,922</time>
<s>他们为什么要骂我</s>
<time>1045_00:29:57,162 --> 00:29:58,962</time>
<s>但你之前是个活在网上的人吗</s>
<time>1046_00:29:59,682 --> 00:30:00,762</time>
<s>是我是一个互联网</s>
<time>1047_00:30:01,122 --> 00:30:01,482</time>
<s>很深度的（用户）</s>
<time>1048_00:30:04,722 --> 00:30:05,442</time>
<s>状态</s>
<time>1049_00:30:05,802 --> 00:30:06,522</time>
<s>因为我你吃这个吧</s>
<time>1050_00:30:07,242 --> 00:30:07,602</time>
<s>我等一会儿</s>
<time>1051_00:30:07,962 --> 00:30:09,042</time>
<s>这是我们点的是吗</s>
<time>1052_00:30:09,402 --> 00:30:10,482</time>
<s>你们不是给许老师也点了</s>
<time>1053_00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:11,562</time>
<s>他的呢</s>
<time>1054_00:30:12,642 --> 00:30:13,362</time>
<s>就分这一份</s>
<time>1055_00:30:13,722 --> 00:30:14,442</time>
<s>我们预算有限</s>
<time>1056_00:30:14,802 --> 00:30:15,522</time>
<s>吃吃我的</s>
<time>1057_00:30:15,882 --> 00:30:16,962</time>
<s>我们这个才十九块九</s>
<time>1058_00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:19,482</time>
<s>这个阶段多久可以适应</s>
<time>1059_00:30:19,842 --> 00:30:21,282</time>
<s>那种被入侵然后</s>
<time>1060_00:30:21,642 --> 00:30:23,802</time>
<s>被评价被不断地各种评价</s>
<time>1061_00:30:24,162 --> 00:30:25,602</time>
<s>到</s>
<time>1062_00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:27,402</time>
<s>将近两年吧</s>
<time>1063_00:30:27,762 --> 00:30:28,842</time>
<s>那个也是我团队开始</s>
<time>1064_00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:31,002</time>
<s>磨合得差不多了</s>
<time>1065_00:30:31,362 --> 00:30:32,082</time>
<s>他们有时候会给你一种</s>
<time>1066_00:30:32,442 --> 00:30:32,802</time>
<s>不要怕</s>
<time>1067_00:30:33,162 --> 00:30:33,882</time>
<s>我去帮你骂他</s>
<time>1068_00:30:35,322 --> 00:30:36,042</time>
<s>对这个特别可爱</s>
<time>1069_00:30:36,402 --> 00:30:36,762</time>
<s>特别直接是吧</s>
<time>1070_00:30:37,122 --> 00:30:37,482</time>
<s>对我去帮你骂他</s>
<time>1071_00:30:37,842 --> 00:30:38,202</time>
<s>我这里有证据</s>
<time>1072_00:30:39,282 --> 00:30:40,362</time>
<s>我们给它从头到尾授了一下</s>
<time>1073_00:30:40,722 --> 00:30:41,442</time>
<s>我们没有问题</s>
<time>1074_00:30:41,802 --> 00:30:42,162</time>
<s>你不要害怕</s>
<time>1075_00:30:42,882 --> 00:30:43,602</time>
<s>他们比我冷静很多</s>
<time>1076_00:30:43,962 --> 00:30:45,042</time>
<s>也比我乐观很多</s>
<time>1077_00:30:45,402 --> 00:30:45,762</time>
<s>所以他们能</s>
<time>1078_00:30:46,122 --> 00:30:46,842</time>
<s>安抚到你的情绪</s>
<time>1079_00:30:47,922 --> 00:30:48,642</time>
<s>那天开会特别可爱</s>
<time>1080_00:30:49,002 --> 00:30:49,362</time>
<s>我觉得特别像一个</s>
<time>1081_00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:50,442</time>
<s>家庭戏班子</s>
<time>1082_00:30:51,522 --> 00:30:51,882</time>
<s>是特别可爱</s>
<time>1083_00:30:52,242 --> 00:30:52,962</time>
<s>我们一直有一种</s>
<time>1084_00:30:53,322 --> 00:30:54,402</time>
<s>小作坊的感觉</s>
<time>1085_00:30:55,122 --> 00:30:55,842</time>
<s>或者就很像当时那个</s>
<time>1086_00:30:56,202 --> 00:30:56,922</time>
<s>台湾综艺节目</s>
<time>1087_00:30:57,282 --> 00:30:58,362</time>
<s>就是他们有一个团</s>
<time>1088_00:30:58,722 --> 00:30:59,442</time>
<s>今天有什么新闻事件</s>
<time>1089_00:30:59,802 --> 00:31:01,242</time>
<s>他们就立刻开始写本子</s>
<time>1090_00:31:01,602 --> 00:31:01,962</time>
<s>然后晚上就开始演</s>
<time>1091_00:31:02,322 --> 00:31:03,402</time>
<s>它就变成一个</s>
<time>1092_00:31:04,122 --> 00:31:05,562</time>
<s>对当时台湾社会的各种</s>
<time>1093_00:31:05,922 --> 00:31:07,002</time>
<s>分析理解</s>
<time>1094_00:31:07,362 --> 00:31:08,082</time>
<s>然后嘲讽的一个</s>
<time>1095_00:31:09,882 --> 00:31:10,602</time>
<s>有一点像吧</s>
<time>1096_00:31:10,962 --> 00:31:11,682</time>
<s>可能有一点像</s>
<time>1097_00:31:12,402 --> 00:31:14,562</time>
<s>我的团队这帮人是</s>
<time>1098_00:31:14,922 --> 00:31:16,002</time>
<s>有时候能给我提供一个</s>
<time>1099_00:31:16,362 --> 00:31:17,082</time>
<s>非常坚强的后盾</s>
<time>1100_00:31:18,162 --> 00:31:19,242</time>
<s>对而且你兴起的过程正好是</s>
<time>1101_00:31:19,602 --> 00:31:20,682</time>
<s>舆论环境开始非常的</s>
<time>1102_00:31:21,042 --> 00:31:22,122</time>
<s>两极化的过程</s>
<time>1103_00:31:22,842 --> 00:31:23,202</time>
<s>是</s>
<time>1104_00:31:23,562 --> 00:31:23,922</time>
<s>怎么办呢</s>
<time>1105_00:31:25,362 --> 00:31:26,442</time>
<s>你没想过往后退却吗</s>
<time>1106_00:31:27,522 --> 00:31:27,882</time>
<s>没有</s>
<time>1107_00:31:28,962 --> 00:31:29,322</time>
<s>没有</s>
<time>1108_00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:30,762</time>
<s>要吃饭的嘛</s>
<time>1109_00:31:32,202 --> 00:31:32,922</time>
<s>要赚钱的嘛</s>
<time>1110_00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:34,722</time>
<s>而且最那什么的时候</s>
<time>1111_00:31:35,442 --> 00:31:36,522</time>
<s>你只是有一种</s>
<time>1112_00:31:36,882 --> 00:31:38,682</time>
<s>很委屈很冤枉的一个情绪</s>
<time>1113_00:31:39,042 --> 00:31:39,762</time>
<s>但那个情绪又不是</s>
<time>1114_00:31:40,122 --> 00:31:42,282</time>
<s>压倒性的摧毁性的一个情绪</s>
<time>1115_00:31:42,642 --> 00:31:43,722</time>
<s>出来了就好了</s>
<time>1116_00:31:44,802 --> 00:31:45,162</time>
<s>被这么</s>
<time>1117_00:31:46,242 --> 00:31:46,962</time>
<s>大量的关注</s>
<time>1118_00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:49,482</time>
<s>因为你讲你们都不喜欢被关注</s>
<time>1119_00:31:50,202 --> 00:31:51,282</time>
<s>某种意义上喜欢在边上</s>
<time>1120_00:31:51,642 --> 00:31:53,082</time>
<s>你怎么应对呢</s>
<time>1121_00:31:53,442 --> 00:31:54,882</time>
<s>就是做驼鸟嘛</s>
<time>1122_00:31:55,242 --> 00:31:55,602</time>
<s>驼鸟</s>
<time>1123_00:31:55,962 --> 00:31:56,322</time>
<s>做驼鸟</s>
<time>1124_00:31:57,042 --> 00:31:57,762</time>
<s>只要我看不见</s>
<time>1125_00:31:58,122 --> 00:31:58,482</time>
<s>它就没有发生</s>
<time>1126_00:31:59,202 --> 00:31:59,922</time>
<s>其实这是很好的办法</s>
<time>1127_00:32:00,282 --> 00:32:01,362</time>
<s>很好的办法非常有用</s>
<time>1128_00:32:02,802 --> 00:32:04,242</time>
<s>然后现在慢慢</s>
<time>1129_00:32:04,602 --> 00:32:05,322</time>
<s>可以适应一些了</s>
<time>1130_00:32:05,682 --> 00:32:07,122</time>
<s>但是我的适应方法</s>
<time>1131_00:32:07,482 --> 00:32:07,842</time>
<s>就还是不看</s>
<time>1132_00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:09,282</time>
<s>不会像以前看到了</s>
<time>1133_00:32:09,642 --> 00:32:10,722</time>
<s>我会手心发凉</s>
<time>1134_00:32:11,442 --> 00:32:12,522</time>
<s>会出冷汗</s>
<time>1135_00:32:13,242 --> 00:32:15,042</time>
<s>姜逸磊一开始承受力怎么样呢</s>
<time>1136_00:32:15,402 --> 00:32:16,842</time>
<s>就是突然被这么多人议论</s>
<time>1137_00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:18,282</time>
<s>我觉得对任何一个普通人来说</s>
<time>1138_00:32:18,642 --> 00:32:19,002</time>
<s>都要适应</s>
<time>1139_00:32:19,362 --> 00:32:19,722</time>
<s>都很难承受</s>
<time>1140_00:32:20,442 --> 00:32:22,242</time>
<s>她现在已经坚强非常多了</s>
<time>1141_00:32:23,682 --> 00:32:24,402</time>
<s>她最崩溃的时候</s>
<time>1142_00:32:24,762 --> 00:32:25,842</time>
<s>怎么应对呢她自己</s>
<time>1143_00:32:27,282 --> 00:32:28,002</time>
<s>自己的时候我不知道</s>
<time>1144_00:32:28,362 --> 00:32:29,442</time>
<s>反正跟我就会哭</s>
<time>1145_00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:33,402</time>
<s>但我那个时候</s>
<time>1146_00:32:33,762 --> 00:32:34,122</time>
<s>就刚开始的时候</s>
<time>1147_00:32:34,482 --> 00:32:35,562</time>
<s>我还不太把它当回事儿</s>
<time>1148_00:32:35,922 --> 00:32:37,362</time>
<s>我说多大事儿别这样</s>
<time>1149_00:32:37,722 --> 00:32:38,082</time>
<s>那什么开始时候更意识到</s>
<time>1150_00:32:38,442 --> 00:32:39,522</time>
<s>她那种真的痛苦的</s>
<time>1151_00:32:40,602 --> 00:32:41,682</time>
<s>2016年那会儿</s>
<time>1152_00:32:42,042 --> 00:32:43,122</time>
<s>其实确确实实</s>
<time>1153_00:32:43,842 --> 00:32:45,282</time>
<s>我们两个都惜了</s>
<time>1154_00:32:48,522 --> 00:32:50,682</time>
<s>我觉得可能人生中你遇到压力</s>
<time>1155_00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:53,562</time>
<s>就极度压力的时候并不多</s>
<time>1156_00:32:54,642 --> 00:32:55,722</time>
<s>对我们俩来说都是</s>
<time>1157_00:32:57,162 --> 00:32:57,882</time>
<s>是在拍卖之前吗</s>
<time>1158_00:32:58,242 --> 00:32:58,962</time>
<s>拍卖是一个很标志性的事件</s>
<time>1159_00:32:59,682 --> 00:33:00,762</time>
<s>我们焦虑的其实是在</s>
<time>1160_00:33:01,122 --> 00:33:02,202</time>
<s>应该是在拍卖之后</s>
<time>1161_00:33:02,562 --> 00:33:03,282</time>
<s>之后是吧对</s>
<time>1162_00:33:03,642 --> 00:33:05,802</time>
<s>虽然可能别人会觉得你凡尔赛</s>
<time>1163_00:33:06,162 --> 00:33:07,962</time>
<s>但那个时候真的觉得好难</s>
<time>1164_00:33:09,762 --> 00:33:11,562</time>
<s>完全不知道这个应该怎么过去</s>
<time>1165_00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:13,722</time>
<s>拍卖之前我觉得可以坦白讲</s>
<time>1166_00:33:14,082 --> 00:33:14,802</time>
<s>那都是幸福的烦恼</s>
<time>1167_00:33:16,242 --> 00:33:17,322</time>
<s>后面是因为整个的</s>
<time>1168_00:33:18,402 --> 00:33:20,202</time>
<s>舆论的声音很多样化</s>
<time>1169_00:33:20,562 --> 00:33:21,282</time>
<s>然后你会发现</s>
<time>1170_00:33:21,642 --> 00:33:23,082</time>
<s>你很朴素的一个念头</s>
<time>1171_00:33:23,442 --> 00:33:25,602</time>
<s>就被曲解出那么多种版本来了</s>
<time>1172_00:33:26,682 --> 00:33:27,402</time>
<s>然后你又拍出了</s>
<time>1173_00:33:27,762 --> 00:33:28,482</time>
<s>一个两千多万的价格</s>
<time>1174_00:33:28,842 --> 00:33:29,922</time>
<s>虽然我们都已经捐掉了</s>
<time>1175_00:33:30,282 --> 00:33:31,362</time>
<s>但我们后面比如说就算</s>
<time>1176_00:33:31,722 --> 00:33:32,442</time>
<s>我要去变现我应该</s>
<time>1177_00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:33,882</time>
<s>怎么定价呢对吧</s>
<time>1178_00:33:36,042 --> 00:33:36,762</time>
<s>然后定完价</s>
<time>1179_00:33:37,122 --> 00:33:38,202</time>
<s>这个客户会怎么看呢</s>
<time>1180_00:33:38,562 --> 00:33:39,642</time>
<s>然后网友会怎么看呢</s>
<time>1181_00:33:40,362 --> 00:33:41,082</time>
<s>对吧然后</s>
<time>1182_00:33:42,162 --> 00:33:43,242</time>
<s>最惨的时候我记得我们俩</s>
<time>1183_00:33:43,962 --> 00:33:45,042</time>
<s>在酒仙桥的一个咖啡店</s>
<time>1184_00:33:45,402 --> 00:33:45,762</time>
<s>室外</s>
<time>1185_00:33:46,122 --> 00:33:46,842</time>
<s>俩人对着哭</s>
<time>1186_00:33:48,282 --> 00:33:49,362</time>
<s>因为她先哭</s>
<time>1187_00:33:49,722 --> 00:33:50,082</time>
<s>她哭搞得我</s>
<time>1188_00:33:50,442 --> 00:33:50,802</time>
<s>我说哎呀</s>
<time>1189_00:33:51,522 --> 00:33:52,242</time>
<s>我也不知道怎么办</s>
<time>1190_00:33:53,322 --> 00:33:54,402</time>
<s>当时是什么契机呢</s>
<time>1191_00:33:54,762 --> 00:33:55,842</time>
<s>是什么引发的这个</s>
<time>1192_00:33:57,282 --> 00:33:58,362</time>
<s>它有一个前提是</s>
<time>1193_00:33:59,082 --> 00:33:59,802</time>
<s>她就不是冲着一个</s>
<time>1194_00:34:00,162 --> 00:34:02,682</time>
<s>要获得这么大影响力去的</s>
<time>1195_00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:04,122</time>
<s>这么一个初裹</s>
<time>1196_00:34:04,842 --> 00:34:07,002</time>
<s>如果说我今天就想成为一个</s>
<time>1197_00:34:07,362 --> 00:34:08,802</time>
<s>特别有影响力的人</s>
<time>1198_00:34:09,162 --> 00:34:10,242</time>
<s>我做这件事就为了这个目的</s>
<time>1199_00:34:10,962 --> 00:34:11,682</time>
<s>可能在这个过程中</s>
<time>1200_00:34:12,402 --> 00:34:14,201</time>
<s>你那个承受力可能会更强一点</s>
<time>1201_00:34:14,921 --> 00:34:15,642</time>
<s>因为你知道你要去哪儿</s>
<time>1202_00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:17,802</time>
<s>但我们在做这件事的初衷</s>
<time>1203_00:34:18,162 --> 00:34:19,602</time>
<s>就不是要那个结果</s>
<time>1204_00:34:19,962 --> 00:34:21,762</time>
<s>它产生的后果</s>
<time>1205_00:34:22,122 --> 00:34:23,202</time>
<s>和你自己的预想</s>
<time>1206_00:34:23,562 --> 00:34:25,002</time>
<s>那个差值非常的大</s>
<time>1207_00:34:26,442 --> 00:34:27,162</time>
<s>它伴随的就是</s>
<time>1208_00:34:27,522 --> 00:34:28,241</time>
<s>肯定有人说你好</s>
<time>1209_00:34:28,602 --> 00:34:29,321</time>
<s>就有人骂你</s>
<time>1210_00:34:29,682 --> 00:34:30,402</time>
<s>有人支持你</s>
<time>1211_00:34:30,762 --> 00:34:32,202</time>
<s>有人就会从各角度分析你</s>
<time>1212_00:34:32,922 --> 00:34:34,362</time>
<s>这个肯定会受不了的</s>
<time>1213_00:34:35,802 --> 00:34:36,162</time>
<s>对我现在想一想</s>
<time>1214_00:34:36,522 --> 00:34:37,241</time>
<s>你们2016年那时候</s>
<time>1215_00:34:37,602 --> 00:34:38,322</time>
<s>简直像一场梦一样</s>
<time>1216_00:34:39,042 --> 00:34:39,762</time>
<s>真的说实话很像</s>
<time>1217_00:34:41,202 --> 00:34:41,562</time>
<s>对很少有人突然</s>
<time>1218_00:34:41,922 --> 00:34:43,721</time>
<s>有做这么大的梦的机会</s>
<time>1219_00:34:44,442 --> 00:34:45,881</time>
<s>激</s>
<time>1220_00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:49,122</time>
<s>我觉得这个可能</s>
<time>1221_00:34:49,482 --> 00:34:50,562</time>
<s>都是在补课吧</s>
<time>1222_00:34:51,642 --> 00:34:52,002</time>
<s>因为你</s>
<time>1223_00:34:52,362 --> 00:34:53,442</time>
<s>跳过了很多个步骤</s>
<time>1224_00:34:54,162 --> 00:34:54,522</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1225_00:34:55,241 --> 00:34:55,962</time>
<s>有很多种感知</s>
<time>1226_00:34:56,321 --> 00:34:57,042</time>
<s>很多种认识</s>
<time>1227_00:34:57,402 --> 00:34:57,762</time>
<s>激</s>
<time>1228_00:34:58,122 --> 00:34:58,842</time>
<s>很多种感受激</s>
<time>1229_00:34:59,562 --> 00:34:59,922</time>
<s>该经历</s>
<time>1230_00:35:00,282 --> 00:35:01,722</time>
<s>但我们未曾经历过</s>
<time>1231_00:35:02,442 --> 00:35:03,882</time>
<s>那可能在未来的日子里</s>
<time>1232_00:35:05,682 --> 00:35:06,042</time>
<s>你可能都要补回去</s>
<time>1233_00:35:06,402 --> 00:35:07,842</time>
<s>要还的都要还的</s>
<time>1234_00:35:08,202 --> 00:35:09,642</time>
<s>那个课补起来太难了</s>
<time>1235_00:35:10,002 --> 00:35:10,721</time>
<s>现在等于这一代人</s>
<time>1236_00:35:11,082 --> 00:35:11,802</time>
<s>要为自己</s>
<time>1237_00:35:12,162 --> 00:35:12,522</time>
<s>这一两代人</s>
<time>1238_00:35:12,882 --> 00:35:13,602</time>
<s>要为自己之前过分的</s>
<time>1239_00:35:14,682 --> 00:35:15,402</time>
<s>整个社会环境这么好</s>
<time>1240_00:35:15,762 --> 00:35:16,122</time>
<s>要补课现在</s>
<time>1241_00:35:17,562 --> 00:35:18,282</time>
<s>对大家都在补课</s>
<time>1242_00:35:20,802 --> 00:35:21,522</time>
<s>在座的每一位</s>
<time>1243_00:35:21,882 --> 00:35:22,602</time>
<s>我们在这个</s>
<time>1244_00:35:22,962 --> 00:35:24,401</time>
<s>奔跑的时代其实每个人</s>
<time>1245_00:35:25,122 --> 00:35:25,842</time>
<s>多多少少都</s>
<time>1246_00:35:26,202 --> 00:35:26,922</time>
<s>有那么一点点</s>
<time>1247_00:35:27,642 --> 00:35:28,722</time>
<s>叫成长的烦恼</s>
<time>1248_00:35:29,082 --> 00:35:29,802</time>
<s>papi酱</s>
<time>1249_00:35:30,522 --> 00:35:31,241</time>
<s>就在过去的一个月里</s>
<time>1250_00:35:31,962 --> 00:35:32,682</time>
<s>她的粉丝数</s>
<time>1251_00:35:33,402 --> 00:35:34,482</time>
<s>在那么大的基数上</s>
<time>1252_00:35:35,202 --> 00:35:36,282</time>
<s>仍然翻了一番</s>
<time>1253_00:35:40,242 --> 00:35:42,042</time>
<s>在北京如此平凡的一个下午</s>
<time>1254_00:35:42,402 --> 00:35:43,122</time>
<s>我们在这儿</s>
<time>1255_00:35:43,482 --> 00:35:44,922</time>
<s>举行一个多小时的活动</s>
<time>1256_00:35:46,002 --> 00:35:47,442</time>
<s>但是我们每个人都不知道</s>
<time>1257_00:35:47,802 --> 00:35:48,522</time>
<s>这一个小时</s>
<time>1258_00:35:48,882 --> 00:35:49,962</time>
<s>将来在历史上</s>
<time>1259_00:35:50,322 --> 00:35:51,042</time>
<s>意味着什么</s>
<time>1260_00:35:51,402 --> 00:35:51,761</time>
<s>起拍价</s>
<time>1261_00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:56,082</time>
<s>十一万七千元</s>
<time>1262_00:35:56,442 --> 00:35:56,802</time>
<s>两年之后</s>
<time>1263_00:35:57,162 --> 00:35:58,602</time>
<s>papi酱这样的角色</s>
<time>1264_00:35:58,962 --> 00:35:59,322</time>
<s>她会变成什么样呢</s>
<time>1265_00:36:00,042 --> 00:36:01,482</time>
<s>大家觉得商业化的力量</s>
<time>1266_00:36:02,201 --> 00:36:03,281</time>
<s>会把她的未来透支</s>
<time>1267_00:36:04,002 --> 00:36:04,722</time>
<s>我的回答是这样</s>
<time>1268_00:36:05,802 --> 00:36:06,882</time>
<s>我当然要把她的未来</s>
<time>1269_00:36:07,241 --> 00:36:07,961</time>
<s>一把透支</s>
<time>1270_00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,122</time>
<s>五十万六十万七十万</s>
<time>1271_00:36:10,482 --> 00:36:11,922</time>
<s>八号直接出到一千万</s>
<time>1272_00:36:12,642 --> 00:36:13,362</time>
<s>你们就看这个太无聊了</s>
<time>1273_00:36:15,162 --> 00:36:16,241</time>
<s>我那时候比现在瘦好多</s>
<time>1274_00:36:20,922 --> 00:36:22,002</time>
<s>没看过第一次看</s>
<time>1275_00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:23,442</time>
<s>你看那个我当时那个书</s>
<time>1276_00:36:23,802 --> 00:36:24,162</time>
<s>旁边的书叫</s>
<time>1277_00:36:24,522 --> 00:36:26,322</time>
<s>《走向世界的挫折》</s>
<time>1278_00:36:28,122 --> 00:36:29,202</time>
<s>一千八百万</s>
<time>1279_00:36:29,922 --> 00:36:30,642</time>
<s>两千万</s>
<time>1280_00:36:31,002 --> 00:36:32,442</time>
<s>两千两百万元</s>
<time>1281_00:36:33,162 --> 00:36:33,882</time>
<s>成交</s>
<time>1282_00:36:34,962 --> 00:36:35,322</time>
<s>人类历史上</s>
<time>1283_00:36:35,682 --> 00:36:37,122</time>
<s>最贵的一条广告</s>
<time>1284_00:36:37,482 --> 00:36:38,922</time>
<s>单条视频诞生</s>
<time>1285_00:36:40,722 --> 00:36:41,082</time>
<s>他说道</s>
<time>1286_00:36:41,442 --> 00:36:42,522</time>
<s>我挺可岭那些唱挽歌的人</s>
<time>1287_00:36:49,362 --> 00:36:50,082</time>
<s>如隔世吧</s>
<time>1288_00:36:50,442 --> 00:36:51,882</time>
<s>完全不同的</s>
<time>1289_00:36:53,322 --> 00:36:54,761</time>
<s>社会情绪了</s>
<time>1290_00:36:57,282 --> 00:36:58,002</time>
<s>对我觉得我也有变化</s>
<time>1291_00:36:58,362 --> 00:36:59,442</time>
<s>我觉得就是我对他们</s>
<time>1292_00:36:59,802 --> 00:37:01,241</time>
<s>（从）那么强的抵触到</s>
<time>1293_00:37:03,402 --> 00:37:04,842</time>
<s>到慢慢地试图去</s>
<time>1294_00:37:05,922 --> 00:37:06,642</time>
<s>去理解</s>
<time>1295_00:37:09,162 --> 00:37:09,882</time>
<s>不知道是</s>
<time>1296_00:37:10,962 --> 00:37:12,401</time>
<s>不知道是成熟了还是</s>
<time>1297_00:37:12,762 --> 00:37:13,482</time>
<s>变得</s>
<time>1298_00:37:15,281 --> 00:37:16,002</time>
<s>退却了</s>
<time>1299_00:37:16,362 --> 00:37:16,721</time>
<s>不知道</s>
<time>1300_00:37:18,522 --> 00:37:19,962</time>
<s>我又坐下来了</s>
<time>1301_00:37:20,322 --> 00:37:20,682</time>
<s>可以吗</s>
<time>1302_00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:22,842</time>
<s>包括当时</s>
<time>1303_00:37:23,201 --> 00:37:24,642</time>
<s>2016年等于是很标志性的</s>
<time>1304_00:37:25,002 --> 00:37:25,722</time>
<s>罗振宇他们拍卖你的广告</s>
<time>1305_00:37:26,082 --> 00:37:27,161</time>
<s>那个事情</s>
<time>1306_00:37:27,522 --> 00:37:29,321</time>
<s>那还是一个你们事业中的</s>
<time>1307_00:37:29,682 --> 00:37:31,122</time>
<s>重要的时刻吧应该算</s>
<time>1308_00:37:31,482 --> 00:37:32,562</time>
<s>我现在觉得那就是一个</s>
<time>1309_00:37:32,921 --> 00:37:33,642</time>
<s>营销事件</s>
<time>1310_00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:35,082</time>
<s>罗老师</s>
<time>1311_00:37:37,602 --> 00:37:37,962</time>
<s>很聪明的</s>
