<time>1312_00:37:39,402 --> 00:37:40,122</time>
<s>您采访过</s>
<time>1313_00:37:40,482 --> 00:37:41,562</time>
<s>我们这个节目第一集就是罗振宇</s>
<time>1314_00:37:44,082 --> 00:37:44,802</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1315_00:37:46,241 --> 00:37:47,682</time>
<s>反正他说话我也经常听不懂</s>
<time>1316_00:37:52,002 --> 00:37:53,082</time>
<s>但后来我是把这些事情</s>
<time>1317_00:37:53,442 --> 00:37:54,161</time>
<s>全都交给</s>
<time>1318_00:37:54,522 --> 00:37:54,882</time>
<s>杨铭</s>
<time>1319_00:37:55,602 --> 00:37:57,042</time>
<s>这个事情怎么搞我不管</s>
<time>1320_00:37:57,402 --> 00:37:58,482</time>
<s>但我不上台</s>
<time>1321_00:37:58,842 --> 00:38:00,281</time>
<s>我不会改变我做内容的东西</s>
<time>1322_00:38:00,642 --> 00:38:01,722</time>
<s>我想做什么我就做什么</s>
<time>1323_00:38:02,442 --> 00:38:02,802</time>
<s>我也明白</s>
<time>1324_00:38:03,162 --> 00:38:03,882</time>
<s>他们的目的是什么</s>
<time>1325_00:38:04,242 --> 00:38:04,962</time>
<s>你从客观上来说</s>
<time>1326_00:38:05,322 --> 00:38:06,402</time>
<s>它确实是对我</s>
<time>1327_00:38:06,762 --> 00:38:07,482</time>
<s>是有好处的</s>
<time>1328_00:38:07,842 --> 00:38:08,922</time>
<s>三下子名气很响</s>
<time>1329_00:38:09,282 --> 00:38:10,002</time>
<s>闹得很大什么的</s>
<time>1330_00:38:10,362 --> 00:38:11,442</time>
<s>但对我本质来说</s>
<time>1331_00:38:11,802 --> 00:38:12,882</time>
<s>没有什么太大的</s>
<time>1332_00:38:13,241 --> 00:38:13,602</time>
<s>改变</s>
<time>1333_00:38:13,962 --> 00:38:15,401</time>
<s>反而是让我非常的害怕</s>
<time>1334_00:38:16,122 --> 00:38:16,842</time>
<s>怎么理解这个可怕呢</s>
<time>1335_00:38:18,282 --> 00:38:20,082</time>
<s>首先是这个事件你就觉得很</s>
<time>1336_00:38:20,802 --> 00:38:21,161</time>
<s>不可思议</s>
<time>1337_00:38:21,522 --> 00:38:21,882</time>
<s>拍卖</s>
<time>1338_00:38:22,602 --> 00:38:23,322</time>
<s>什么是拍卖</s>
<time>1339_00:38:24,042 --> 00:38:24,762</time>
<s>你拍卖的是什么</s>
<time>1340_00:38:25,482 --> 00:38:26,922</time>
<s>最后拍出来的这个金额</s>
<time>1341_00:38:28,722 --> 00:38:29,442</time>
<s>真的天文数字</s>
<time>1342_00:38:30,162 --> 00:38:30,522</time>
<s>太可怕了</s>
<time>1343_00:38:31,241 --> 00:38:31,962</time>
<s>什么样的脑子</s>
<time>1344_00:38:32,322 --> 00:38:33,042</time>
<s>能想出来这样的主意</s>
<time>1345_00:38:34,482 --> 00:38:36,282</time>
<s>也只有罗老师这样的脑子</s>
<time>1346_00:38:37,361 --> 00:38:38,442</time>
<s>他们给你说了数字之后</s>
<time>1347_00:38:38,802 --> 00:38:39,522</time>
<s>第一反应是什么还记得吗</s>
<time>1348_00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:40,602</time>
<s>疯了吧</s>
<time>1349_00:38:42,402 --> 00:38:43,482</time>
<s>那怎么做决定把它捐出去呢</s>
<time>1350_00:38:43,842 --> 00:38:45,642</time>
<s>这个是我们拍卖前就决定了</s>
<time>1351_00:38:46,362 --> 00:38:47,082</time>
<s>因为公司运作的话</s>
<time>1352_00:38:47,442 --> 00:38:48,162</time>
<s>我们是有投资的钱的</s>
<time>1353_00:38:48,522 --> 00:38:49,241</time>
<s>不需要靠这个钱</s>
<time>1354_00:38:49,602 --> 00:38:50,322</time>
<s>就决定不管多还是少</s>
<time>1355_00:38:50,681 --> 00:38:51,042</time>
<s>我们都捐掉</s>
<time>1356_00:38:52,122 --> 00:38:52,482</time>
<s>所以很多人问我</s>
<time>1357_00:38:52,842 --> 00:38:53,562</time>
<s>你拿到2200万是什么感觉</s>
<time>1358_00:38:53,922 --> 00:38:54,642</time>
<s>我说我没有拿到</s>
<time>1359_00:38:55,361 --> 00:38:55,722</time>
<s>我说（拍卖的）钱从来没有</s>
<time>1360_00:38:56,082 --> 00:38:56,442</time>
<s>进过我的口袋</s>
<time>1361_00:38:56,802 --> 00:38:57,522</time>
<s>那你想这么</s>
<time>1362_00:38:57,882 --> 00:38:59,322</time>
<s>拍出这么大的一个金额</s>
<time>1363_00:38:59,682 --> 00:39:00,402</time>
<s>你们要做那个广告</s>
<time>1364_00:39:00,761 --> 00:39:01,842</time>
<s>是不是压力就变得非常大</s>
<time>1365_00:39:02,922 --> 00:39:03,282</time>
<s>是有压力</s>
<time>1366_00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:04,362</time>
<s>但是这个压力呢</s>
<time>1367_00:39:04,722 --> 00:39:05,442</time>
<s>你无从</s>
<time>1368_00:39:06,522 --> 00:39:06,881</time>
<s>无从排解</s>
<time>1369_00:39:07,602 --> 00:39:08,682</time>
<s>你不知道应该怎么做广告</s>
<time>1370_00:39:09,402 --> 00:39:09,762</time>
<s>客户也不知道</s>
<time>1371_00:39:10,122 --> 00:39:10,481</time>
<s>我都不说那会儿</s>
<time>1372_00:39:10,842 --> 00:39:11,562</time>
<s>我觉得现在的客户</s>
<time>1373_00:39:11,922 --> 00:39:12,282</time>
<s>也不知道应该怎么做广告</s>
<time>1374_00:39:13,722 --> 00:39:15,161</time>
<s>所以那会儿就只能是</s>
<time>1375_00:39:15,522 --> 00:39:17,322</time>
<s>你觉得这个广告应该是</s>
<time>1376_00:39:17,681 --> 00:39:18,402</time>
<s>怎么去做</s>
<time>1377_00:39:19,122 --> 00:39:19,842</time>
<s>（我觉得可能跟</s>
<time>1378_00:39:20,201 --> 00:39:21,282</time>
<s>《十三邀》对待客户的态度</s>
<time>1379_00:39:21,642 --> 00:39:22,002</time>
<s>差不多吧</s>
<time>1380_00:39:23,082 --> 00:39:23,442</time>
<s>我们</s>
<time>1381_00:39:23,802 --> 00:39:24,522</time>
<s>没碰过这么多钱</s>
<time>1382_00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:26,682</time>
<s>下次有一集</s>
<time>1383_00:39:27,042 --> 00:39:27,402</time>
<s>给我们两千万</s>
<time>1384_00:39:27,762 --> 00:39:28,122</time>
<s>我们就好好想想</s>
<time>1385_00:39:28,482 --> 00:39:29,202</time>
<s>怎么做这一集</s>
<time>1386_00:39:29,562 --> 00:39:29,921</time>
<s>不用那么多</s>
<time>1387_00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:32,082</time>
<s>给多少都是甲方</s>
<time>1388_00:39:33,881 --> 00:39:34,602</time>
<s>太成熟了现在</s>
<time>1389_00:39:34,962 --> 00:39:36,402</time>
<s>没有我们是现在真的觉得</s>
<time>1390_00:39:37,122 --> 00:39:38,562</time>
<s>就是如果有广告</s>
<time>1391_00:39:39,281 --> 00:39:40,002</time>
<s>要把内容做得更好</s>
<time>1392_00:39:40,722 --> 00:39:41,442</time>
<s>我不能让</s>
<time>1393_00:39:41,802 --> 00:39:42,522</time>
<s>别人看完之后觉得</s>
<time>1394_00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:43,962</time>
<s>这就是为广告做的</s>
<time>1395_00:39:44,322 --> 00:39:45,402</time>
<s>我不能接受这种事情</s>
<time>1396_00:39:46,122 --> 00:39:47,201</time>
<s>所以有广告的话就</s>
<time>1397_00:39:48,282 --> 00:39:48,642</time>
<s>客户的钱也不是</s>
<time>1398_00:39:49,002 --> 00:39:49,362</time>
<s>大风刮来的</s>
<time>1399_00:39:51,162 --> 00:39:52,962</time>
<s>那你想一开始你像从2015年</s>
<time>1400_00:39:53,322 --> 00:39:53,682</time>
<s>从那个</s>
<time>1401_00:39:54,042 --> 00:39:54,402</time>
<s>冷了是吧</s>
<time>1402_00:39:55,122 --> 00:39:55,482</time>
<s>有一点冷</s>
<time>1403_00:39:55,842 --> 00:39:56,562</time>
<s>今天阴阴的</s>
<time>1404_00:39:57,281 --> 00:39:59,082</time>
<s>那比如从2015年底的时候</s>
<time>1405_00:39:59,442 --> 00:40:00,162</time>
<s>其实有那么一段时间</s>
<time>1406_00:40:00,881 --> 00:40:02,682</time>
<s>你们做什么都是一个风潮</s>
<time>1407_00:40:03,042 --> 00:40:03,762</time>
<s>那什么感觉就是</s>
<time>1408_00:40:04,122 --> 00:40:05,562</time>
<s>匪夷所思</s>
<time>1409_00:40:05,922 --> 00:40:07,002</time>
<s>莫名其妙自己也不理解</s>
<time>1410_00:40:07,362 --> 00:40:08,082</time>
<s>那问题是</s>
<time>1411_00:40:08,442 --> 00:40:10,242</time>
<s>比如那阵风那么大地吹过来</s>
<time>1412_00:40:10,602 --> 00:40:10,962</time>
<s>什么时候你开始觉得</s>
<time>1413_00:40:11,322 --> 00:40:11,682</time>
<s>风力下降了</s>
<time>1414_00:40:12,042 --> 00:40:13,122</time>
<s>不是该做什么都是被</s>
<time>1415_00:40:13,482 --> 00:40:14,562</time>
<s>引起那么多的关注的</s>
<time>1416_00:40:14,922 --> 00:40:15,642</time>
<s>也就两三年以后吧</s>
<time>1417_00:40:16,722 --> 00:40:18,162</time>
<s>我觉得那个才是正常的</s>
<time>1418_00:40:18,522 --> 00:40:20,322</time>
<s>我觉得一直被顶在上面</s>
<time>1419_00:40:20,681 --> 00:40:21,402</time>
<s>反正对我个人来说</s>
<time>1420_00:40:21,762 --> 00:40:22,482</time>
<s>我觉得也不是好事</s>
<time>1421_00:40:22,842 --> 00:40:23,922</time>
<s>那个时候刚开始</s>
<time>1422_00:40:25,002 --> 00:40:25,722</time>
<s>被吹捧的时候</s>
<time>1423_00:40:26,082 --> 00:40:26,442</time>
<s>我就跟杨铭说</s>
<time>1424_00:40:26,802 --> 00:40:28,242</time>
<s>我说我特别怕捧杀</s>
<time>1425_00:40:30,042 --> 00:40:30,402</time>
<s>能把你捧得多高</s>
<time>1426_00:40:30,762 --> 00:40:31,482</time>
<s>就能给你摔得多惨</s>
<time>1427_00:40:32,562 --> 00:40:33,642</time>
<s>我不需要那么惨痛的东西</s>
<time>1428_00:40:34,002 --> 00:40:34,362</time>
<s>但你说的就是说</s>
<time>1429_00:40:34,721 --> 00:40:35,441</time>
<s>被捧得高高的</s>
<time>1430_00:40:35,802 --> 00:40:36,522</time>
<s>就担心被摔得重重的</s>
<time>1431_00:40:36,882 --> 00:40:37,962</time>
<s>那你曾经被（捧得）高高的</s>
<time>1432_00:40:38,322 --> 00:40:40,122</time>
<s>那你也没有摔得重重的</s>
<time>1433_00:40:40,482 --> 00:40:41,922</time>
<s>没有被摔其实</s>
<time>1434_00:40:42,282 --> 00:40:42,642</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>1435_00:40:43,002 --> 00:40:44,442</time>
<s>平缓的一个下降的一个过程</s>
<time>1436_00:40:47,682 --> 00:40:49,122</time>
<s>那担心那种衰退吗</s>
<time>1437_00:40:49,482 --> 00:40:50,562</time>
<s>大家对你做的内容不感兴趣了</s>
<time>1438_00:40:50,922 --> 00:40:52,362</time>
<s>也没人关注这些内容了</s>
<time>1439_00:40:53,441 --> 00:40:55,242</time>
<s>我觉得早晚会有那一天吧</s>
<time>1440_00:40:55,602 --> 00:40:56,682</time>
<s>你只要接受这个</s>
<time>1441_00:40:57,042 --> 00:40:58,122</time>
<s>就没有很担心</s>
<time>1442_00:40:59,202 --> 00:41:00,282</time>
<s>就做到</s>
<time>1443_00:41:00,642 --> 00:41:01,362</time>
<s>自己没有想法了</s>
<time>1444_00:41:01,722 --> 00:41:03,522</time>
<s>或者确实它不被需要了</s>
<time>1445_00:41:03,882 --> 00:41:04,241</time>
<s>那就停了呗</s>
<time>1446_00:41:04,602 --> 00:41:04,962</time>
<s>停了就停了</s>
<time>1447_00:41:05,322 --> 00:41:06,042</time>
<s>那怎么评估</s>
<time>1448_00:41:06,402 --> 00:41:08,201</time>
<s>你现在想法的旺盛程度呢</s>
<time>1449_00:41:08,562 --> 00:41:10,002</time>
<s>现在想法的旺盛程度</s>
<time>1450_00:41:10,362 --> 00:41:11,082</time>
<s>它不像以前</s>
<time>1451_00:41:11,442 --> 00:41:12,522</time>
<s>因为现在我说实话</s>
<time>1452_00:41:13,242 --> 00:41:13,962</time>
<s>限制太多了</s>
<time>1453_00:41:14,682 --> 00:41:16,482</time>
<s>我觉得2015年能做很多东西</s>
<time>1454_00:41:16,842 --> 00:41:17,202</time>
<s>现在都做不了</s>
<time>1455_00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:18,281</time>
<s>跟那个气氛比较宽松</s>
<time>1456_00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:19,362</time>
<s>有很大的关系</s>
<time>1457_00:41:20,082 --> 00:41:21,522</time>
<s>你既要有自我约束的</s>
<time>1458_00:41:21,882 --> 00:41:23,322</time>
<s>你又要有平台约束的</s>
<time>1459_00:41:23,682 --> 00:41:25,122</time>
<s>你也不能去调侃</s>
<time>1460_00:41:25,842 --> 00:41:26,562</time>
<s>很多观众会觉得</s>
<time>1461_00:41:26,922 --> 00:41:27,642</time>
<s>你调侃就是不敬</s>
<time>1462_00:41:29,082 --> 00:41:30,161</time>
<s>你也不能去评论</s>
<time>1463_00:41:31,241 --> 00:41:31,602</time>
<s>你评论就是</s>
<time>1464_00:41:34,842 --> 00:41:35,922</time>
<s>那我很害怕冲突</s>
<time>1465_00:41:36,642 --> 00:41:38,082</time>
<s>任何形式的冲突我都很不喜欢</s>
<time>1466_00:41:40,962 --> 00:41:42,762</time>
<s>而且现在有时候总会有一种</s>
<time>1467_00:41:43,122 --> 00:41:44,922</time>
<s>怕自己说错话</s>
<time>1468_00:41:45,282 --> 00:41:46,002</time>
<s>怕自己表达不清楚</s>
<time>1469_00:41:46,362 --> 00:41:48,161</time>
<s>然后有时候因为你自己</s>
<time>1470_00:41:49,242 --> 00:41:50,322</time>
<s>随着你粉丝数量上来</s>
<time>1471_00:41:50,682 --> 00:41:52,482</time>
<s>你对自己的自我约束也会很大</s>
<time>1472_00:41:53,562 --> 00:41:54,642</time>
<s>那所以我能做的东西</s>
<time>1473_00:41:55,002 --> 00:41:55,722</time>
<s>开始变得非常的少</s>
<time>1474_00:41:56,802 --> 00:41:58,602</time>
<s>有时候我真的觉得不可理解</s>
<time>1475_00:41:58,962 --> 00:41:59,322</time>
<s>我们曾经有一次</s>
<time>1476_00:41:59,681 --> 00:42:00,762</time>
<s>做了。</s><s>一个反讽的内容</s>
<time>1477_00:42:01,122 --> 00:42:01,482</time>
<s>就是你</s>
<time>1478_00:42:01,842 --> 00:42:02,562</time>
<s>第一眼看过去</s>
<time>1479_00:42:02,922 --> 00:42:03,642</time>
<s>它就是一个反讽</s>
<time>1480_00:42:04,002 --> 00:42:04,722</time>
<s>然后评论里面说</s>
<time>1481_00:42:05,082 --> 00:42:06,522</time>
<s>你怎么可以提倡这种东西</s>
<time>1482_00:42:06,882 --> 00:42:07,962</time>
<s>我说我在反讽</s>
<time>1483_00:42:09,042 --> 00:42:09,762</time>
<s>所以我们后来会在</s>
<time>1484_00:42:10,122 --> 00:42:11,562</time>
<s>所有反讽的视频后面加一个</s>
<time>1485_00:42:11,922 --> 00:42:13,002</time>
<s>我们这个视频是为了嘲讽</s>
<time>1486_00:42:13,362 --> 00:42:14,802</time>
<s>绝对没有任何提倡的意思</s>
<time>1487_00:42:15,882 --> 00:42:16,602</time>
<s>就有些人看到一半</s>
<time>1488_00:42:16,962 --> 00:42:17,682</time>
<s>就已经给你下结论了</s>
<time>1489_00:42:18,402 --> 00:42:19,122</time>
<s>三观不正</s>
<time>1490_00:42:19,842 --> 00:42:21,282</time>
<s>不断说三观</s>
<time>1491_00:42:21,642 --> 00:42:22,722</time>
<s>是从什么时候开始的呀</s>
<time>1492_00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:24,882</time>
<s>是2015年往后吧</s>
<time>1493_00:42:25,242 --> 00:42:27,402</time>
<s>我觉得比2015年更前了</s>
<time>1494_00:42:28,122 --> 00:42:29,562</time>
<s>三观很正什么什么的</s>
<time>1495_00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:30,642</time>
<s>但后来是谁说的</s>
<time>1496_00:42:31,002 --> 00:42:32,082</time>
<s>三观没有什么正不正</s>
<time>1497_00:42:32,442 --> 00:42:32,802</time>
<s>它只是</s>
<time>1498_00:42:33,162 --> 00:42:33,882</time>
<s>是不是符合当下</s>
<time>1499_00:42:34,242 --> 00:42:34,962</time>
<s>最主流的一个</s>
<time>1500_00:42:36,042 --> 00:42:36,762</time>
<s>而且你什么时候开始感觉到</s>
<time>1501_00:42:37,122 --> 00:42:38,202</time>
<s>比如说大家在观念上</s>
<time>1502_00:42:38,562 --> 00:42:38,921</time>
<s>应该更开放</s>
<time>1503_00:42:39,281 --> 00:42:40,002</time>
<s>因为随着这个技术</s>
<time>1504_00:42:40,362 --> 00:42:41,442</time>
<s>这个交往的增加</s>
<time>1505_00:42:41,802 --> 00:42:43,241</time>
<s>但实际上它越来越保守的趋向</s>
<time>1506_00:42:43,962 --> 00:42:45,042</time>
<s>2018 2019年</s>
<time>1507_00:42:46,122 --> 00:42:47,202</time>
<s>那会儿开始很明显地觉得</s>
<time>1508_00:42:47,562 --> 00:42:49,362</time>
<s>网络的舆论开始变得很</s>
<time>1509_00:42:49,722 --> 00:42:50,442</time>
<s>很奇怪的走向</s>
<time>1510_00:42:51,522 --> 00:42:52,241</time>
<s>极端的声音非常的多</s>
<time>1511_00:42:52,602 --> 00:42:53,681</time>
<s>当然我觉得这</s>
<time>1512_00:42:54,042 --> 00:42:54,402</time>
<s>有时候反而觉得</s>
<time>1513_00:42:54,762 --> 00:42:55,482</time>
<s>你上网上多了限制了你</s>
<time>1514_00:42:56,562 --> 00:42:57,642</time>
<s>限制了你的很多思考</s>
<time>1515_00:42:58,362 --> 00:42:59,442</time>
<s>我前两天是看谁说的</s>
<time>1516_00:42:59,802 --> 00:43:01,241</time>
<s>你的思考到底是谁的思考</s>
<time>1517_00:43:01,962 --> 00:43:03,402</time>
<s>你的想法到底是谁的想法</s>
<time>1518_00:43:05,201 --> 00:43:06,281</time>
<s>对这种不断的</s>
<time>1519_00:43:06,642 --> 00:43:07,362</time>
<s>就无处不在的这种</s>
<time>1520_00:43:09,522 --> 00:43:10,241</time>
<s>完全就僵化了呀</s>
<time>1521_00:43:10,602 --> 00:43:11,322</time>
<s>完全就是会</s>
<time>1522_00:43:12,402 --> 00:43:12,762</time>
<s>它能变形吗</s>
<time>1523_00:43:13,122 --> 00:43:14,922</time>
<s>然后去找一个缝隙可以表达</s>
<time>1524_00:43:16,362 --> 00:43:17,082</time>
<s>看值不值吧</s>
<time>1525_00:43:17,802 --> 00:43:19,242</time>
<s>你是有多想表达这个事情</s>
<time>1526_00:43:20,322 --> 00:43:21,042</time>
<s>然后这个缝隙</s>
<time>1527_00:43:22,122 --> 00:43:23,202</time>
<s>你确定你能找到吗</s>
<time>1528_00:43:24,642 --> 00:43:25,722</time>
<s>其实要找的这个缝隙可能</s>
<time>1529_00:43:26,082 --> 00:43:27,162</time>
<s>得用圆滑吧</s>
<time>1530_00:43:27,522 --> 00:43:28,962</time>
<s>你得是那种此溜一下</s>
<time>1531_00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:30,761</time>
<s>没有任何的毛病</s>
<time>1532_00:43:31,122 --> 00:43:31,842</time>
<s>出不了任何的错</s>
<time>1533_00:43:32,562 --> 00:43:33,282</time>
<s>你自己想表达的东西</s>
<time>1534_00:43:33,642 --> 00:43:34,721</time>
<s>那其实某种意义上</s>
<time>1535_00:43:35,082 --> 00:43:35,442</time>
<s>你的感受力</s>
<time>1536_00:43:35,801 --> 00:43:36,522</time>
<s>已经伤害的差不多了！</s>
<time>1537_00:43:38,322 --> 00:43:38,682</time>
<s>那我觉得</s>
<time>1538_00:43:39,042 --> 00:43:39,761</time>
<s>如果是这样的东西的话</s>
<time>1539_00:43:40,122 --> 00:43:40,842</time>
<s>代表你没有那么想表达</s>
<time>1540_00:43:41,562 --> 00:43:42,642</time>
<s>或者说你的这个观点</s>
<time>1541_00:43:43,002 --> 00:43:44,802</time>
<s>不值得没有那么值得去表达</s>
<time>1542_00:43:45,522 --> 00:43:47,322</time>
<s>如果是一个需要趾溜一下的</s>
<time>1543_00:43:47,682 --> 00:43:48,762</time>
<s>就这种时候你要表达的</s>
<time>1544_00:43:49,122 --> 00:43:49,842</time>
<s>一定是一个</s>
<time>1545_00:43:50,562 --> 00:43:52,002</time>
<s>多多少少有一些棱角的</s>
<time>1546_00:43:52,362 --> 00:43:53,442</time>
<s>有一些刺的东西</s>
<time>1547_00:43:53,802 --> 00:43:54,882</time>
<s>就是嘲讽</s>
<time>1548_00:43:55,241 --> 00:43:55,962</time>
<s>哪怕我不是针对一个</s>
<time>1549_00:43:56,322 --> 00:43:57,402</time>
<s>特别大的一个命题</s>
<time>1550_00:43:58,842 --> 00:43:59,922</time>
<s>它也得是有一些刺的</s>
<time>1551_00:44:00,642 --> 00:44:01,722</time>
<s>但是现在这个刺</s>
<time>1552_00:44:02,442 --> 00:44:03,522</time>
<s>没有人敢打保票说</s>
<time>1553_00:44:03,882 --> 00:44:04,602</time>
<s>你这个东西发出来</s>
<time>1554_00:44:04,962 --> 00:44:05,682</time>
<s>行还是不行</s>
<time>1555_00:44:07,482 --> 00:44:08,202</time>
<s>挺要命的</s>
<time>1556_00:44:09,281 --> 00:44:10,722</time>
<s>什么时候开始觉得保持</s>
<time>1557_00:44:11,442 --> 00:44:12,882</time>
<s>对生活的一些刺是</s>
<time>1558_00:44:13,242 --> 00:44:13,962</time>
<s>非常必要的</s>
<time>1559_00:44:14,682 --> 00:44:15,402</time>
<s>一直都是</s>
<time>1560_00:44:16,482 --> 00:44:17,562</time>
<s>小时候就感觉是吧</s>
<time>1561_00:44:18,282 --> 00:44:18,642</time>
<s>小时候就有</s>
<time>1562_00:44:19,361 --> 00:44:20,442</time>
<s>尤其是我们现在做</s>
<time>1563_00:44:21,522 --> 00:44:22,242</time>
<s>我也不能说我们这个是</s>
<time>1564_00:44:22,602 --> 00:44:23,322</time>
<s>这个是喜剧</s>
<time>1565_00:44:24,042 --> 00:44:25,122</time>
<s>或是类喜剧吧</s>
<time>1566_00:44:25,842 --> 00:44:27,642</time>
<s>一定是对生活有很多意见的</s>
<time>1567_00:44:28,002 --> 00:44:28,362</time>
<s>人</s>
<time>1568_00:44:29,442 --> 00:44:30,162</time>
<s>才能做出</s>
<time>1569_00:44:30,882 --> 00:44:31,602</time>
<s>好笑的东西</s>
<time>1570_00:44:32,322 --> 00:44:33,402</time>
<s>在我眼里有三种笑</s>
<time>1571_00:44:33,762 --> 00:44:34,842</time>
<s>搞笑可笑和好笑</s>
<time>1572_00:44:35,562 --> 00:44:37,362</time>
<s>我觉得搞笑的东西是</s>
<time>1573_00:44:38,082 --> 00:44:38,802</time>
<s>真正的搞笑</s>
<time>1574_00:44:39,162 --> 00:44:40,241</time>
<s>比如周星驰那种无厘头的</s>
<time>1575_00:44:40,602 --> 00:44:42,042</time>
<s>它是需要很高超的</s>
<time>1576_00:44:42,402 --> 00:44:43,482</time>
<s>技术的技巧的</s>
<time>1577_00:44:44,562 --> 00:44:46,361</time>
<s>可笑的东西是可遇不可求的</s>
<time>1578_00:44:46,721 --> 00:44:47,802</time>
<s>大多数发生在生活中</s>
<time>1579_00:44:48,162 --> 00:44:49,241</time>
<s>你定要</s>
<time>1580_00:44:49,602 --> 00:44:50,322</time>
<s>能发现这种可笑</s>
<time>1581_00:44:50,682 --> 00:44:52,122</time>
<s>你才有可能去做好笑的东西</s>
<time>1582_00:44:53,202 --> 00:44:54,642</time>
<s>然后好笑的是</s>
<time>1583_00:44:55,002 --> 00:44:55,722</time>
<s>幽默的</s>
<time>1584_00:44:56,082 --> 00:44:56,442</time>
<s>是喜剧的</s>
<time>1585_00:44:56,802 --> 00:44:59,322</time>
<s>你需要有一些观察</s>
<time>1586_00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:00,762</time>
<s>你需要有一些生活的东西</s>
<time>1587_00:45:01,122 --> 00:45:01,842</time>
<s>来帮助你</s>
<time>1588_00:45:02,202 --> 00:45:03,642</time>
<s>你觉得你最擅长哪种</s>
<time>1589_00:45:04,002 --> 00:45:05,082</time>
<s>都不错</s>
<time>1590_00:45:06,522 --> 00:45:07,241</time>
<s>都还行都还行</s>
<time>1591_00:45:07,962 --> 00:45:09,042</time>
<s>确实是这三个也就</s>
<time>1592_00:45:09,402 --> 00:45:10,842</time>
<s>涵盖了我的视频的所有</s>
<time>1593_00:45:11,202 --> 00:45:11,922</time>
<s>那这个趋向呢</s>
<time>1594_00:45:12,282 --> 00:45:13,722</time>
<s>这三种哪种会越来越多呢</s>
<time>1595_00:45:14,082 --> 00:45:14,802</time>
<s>面对这个环境</s>
<time>1596_00:45:15,162 --> 00:45:15,881</time>
<s>好笑吧</s>
<time>1597_00:45:16,602 --> 00:45:16,961</time>
<s>好在吧</s>
<time>1598_00:45:17,681 --> 00:45:18,762</time>
<s>你生活还是在继续</s>
<time>1599_00:45:19,122 --> 00:45:19,482</time>
<s>你</s>
<time>1600_00:45:20,202 --> 00:45:21,282</time>
<s>还是会有邻居</s>
<time>1601_00:45:21,642 --> 00:45:24,162</time>
<s>你还是会有同事</s>
<time>1602_00:45:24,522 --> 00:45:25,602</time>
<s>你还是会有你很普通</s>
<time>1603_00:45:25,962 --> 00:45:27,762</time>
<s>但是每一天都会过的生活</s>
<time>1604_00:45:28,122 --> 00:45:28,842</time>
<s>你会发生很多的事情</s>
<time>1605_00:45:29,922 --> 00:45:30,642</time>
<s>还是从这些事情里面</s>
<time>1606_00:45:31,002 --> 00:45:32,082</time>
<s>去汲取一些灵感</s>
<time>1607_00:45:32,802 --> 00:45:33,162</time>
<s>然后同时有一些</s>
<time>1608_00:45:33,522 --> 00:45:34,962</time>
<s>你自己要表达的东西去把它</s>
<time>1609_00:45:35,322 --> 00:45:36,042</time>
<s>产出</s>
<time>1610_00:45:43,962 --> 00:45:44,682</time>
<s>一直都觉得</s>
<time>1611_00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:45,402</time>
<s>我很好笑</s>
<time>1612_00:45:46,842 --> 00:45:47,562</time>
<s>我为什么不让更多的人</s>
<time>1613_00:45:47,922 --> 00:45:48,281</time>
<s>看到我的好笑呢</s>
<time>1614_00:45:49,362 --> 00:45:50,082</time>
<s>你什么时候开始觉得自己</s>
<time>1615_00:45:50,442 --> 00:45:50,802</time>
<s>有好笑的一面</s>
<time>1616_00:45:51,162 --> 00:45:52,241</time>
<s>我从小就知道自己很好笑</s>
<time>1617_00:45:53,682 --> 00:45:54,762</time>
<s>般班里都会有一</s>
<time>1618_00:45:55,122 --> 00:45:55,842</time>
<s>大家说开心果</s>
<time>1619_00:45:56,562 --> 00:45:56,922</time>
<s>我就是那个开心果</s>
<time>1620_00:45:57,281 --> 00:45:58,362</time>
<s>你幼儿园就是开心果吗</s>
<time>1621_00:45:58,722 --> 00:45:59,082</time>
<s>我幼儿园我想不起来</s>
<time>1622_00:45:59,442 --> 00:46:00,882</time>
<s>小学开始吧就是</s>
<time>1623_00:46:01,602 --> 00:46:01,962</time>
<s>因为我从小我爸妈</s>
<time>1624_00:46:02,322 --> 00:46:02,681</time>
<s>就一直在吵架</s>
<time>1625_00:46:04,122 --> 00:46:04,482</time>
<s>然后吵到我二十岁</s>
<time>1626_00:46:04,842 --> 00:46:05,202</time>
<s>他俩离婚了</s>
<time>1627_00:46:07,002 --> 00:46:08,082</time>
<s>你需要就去</s>
<time>1628_00:46:08,442 --> 00:46:09,162</time>
<s>弥合他们的关系</s>
<time>1629_00:46:09,882 --> 00:46:10,962</time>
<s>一个是弥合一个是</s>
<time>1630_00:46:11,322 --> 00:46:12,402</time>
<s>弥合对当时的我</s>
<time>1631_00:46:13,482 --> 00:46:14,202</time>
<s>还不是特别那什么</s>
<time>1632_00:46:14,562 --> 00:46:15,642</time>
<s>我当时需要找到一种方式</s>
<time>1633_00:46:16,002 --> 00:46:17,442</time>
<s>去消解掉给我的负面影响</s>
<time>1634_00:46:17,802 --> 00:46:18,882</time>
<s>躲避到一个自己的小世界里</s>
<time>1635_00:46:19,962 --> 00:46:20,322</time>
<s>我觉得是</s>
<time>1636_00:46:21,762 --> 00:46:23,202</time>
<s>就是因为他俩一直吵架</s>
<time>1637_00:46:23,562 --> 00:46:24,282</time>
<s>所以才造成</s>
<time>1638_00:46:24,642 --> 00:46:25,721</time>
<s>我是一个开心果的人</s>
<time>1639_00:46:26,442 --> 00:46:27,162</time>
<s>我那个小时候一直在想</s>
<time>1640_00:46:27,522 --> 00:46:28,241</time>
<s>就是赶紧</s>
<time>1641_00:46:28,602 --> 00:46:29,321</time>
<s>就是忍过去就好了</s>
<time>1642_00:46:29,682 --> 00:46:30,762</time>
<s>明天就可以去学校了</s>
<time>1643_00:46:31,122 --> 00:46:31,842</time>
<s>你可以让大家开心</s>
<time>1644_00:46:32,562 --> 00:46:33,642</time>
<s>你可以让大家跟你一起笑</s>
<time>1645_00:46:34,362 --> 00:46:35,082</time>
<s>这个生活还是很美好的</s>
<time>1646_00:46:36,161 --> 00:46:36,882</time>
<s>你这么了不起</s>
<time>1647_00:46:37,242 --> 00:46:38,681</time>
<s>没有我觉得是很无奈的吧</s>
<time>1648_00:46:39,042 --> 00:46:40,122</time>
<s>就如果我爸妈是很恩爱的</s>
<time>1649_00:46:40,482 --> 00:46:41,202</time>
<s>我可能也不是现在这样</s>
<time>1650_00:46:41,562 --> 00:46:43,002</time>
<s>也是小孩子的生存方式</s>
<time>1651_00:46:44,082 --> 00:46:44,441</time>
<s>但我也觉得</s>
<time>1652_00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:45,522</time>
<s>就是我觉得有些人</s>
<time>1653_00:46:45,881 --> 00:46:47,682</time>
<s>把原生家庭看得太重了</s>
<time>1654_00:46:48,042 --> 00:46:49,482</time>
<s>我特烦这个其实</s>
<time>1655_00:46:49,842 --> 00:46:50,922</time>
<s>它不是不可</s>
<time>1656_00:46:52,002 --> 00:46:52,362</time>
<s>逃避的</s>
<time>1657_00:46:53,442 --> 00:46:53,801</time>
<s>所以我是尽量</s>
<time>1658_00:46:54,162 --> 00:46:54,882</time>
<s>不要让原生家庭的东西</s>
<time>1659_00:46:55,602 --> 00:46:56,682</time>
<s>影响到之后的我</s>
<time>1660_00:46:57,401 --> 00:46:58,122</time>
<s>一个新的自我的</s>
<time>1661_00:46:59,202 --> 00:46:59,562</time>
<s>那你觉得你爸妈</s>
<time>1662_00:46:59,922 --> 00:47:00,282</time>
<s>听到你讲这些话</s>
<time>1663_00:47:00,642 --> 00:47:01,362</time>
<s>他们会什么反应</s>
<time>1664_00:47:01,722 --> 00:47:03,162</time>
<s>我们没有很深刻地聊过</s>
<time>1665_00:47:03,882 --> 00:47:04,962</time>
<s>但是有一次是</s>
<time>1666_00:47:05,322 --> 00:47:06,402</time>
<s>我二十岁</s>
<time>1667_00:47:06,762 --> 00:47:07,842</time>
<s>我跟我妈有过一次</s>
<time>1668_00:47:08,201 --> 00:47:09,282</time>
<s>非常巨大的争吵</s>
<time>1669_00:47:10,362 --> 00:47:11,082</time>
<s>母女俩从来没有</s>
<time>1670_00:47:11,441 --> 00:47:12,162</time>
<s>掏心窝子说过话</s>
<time>1671_00:47:12,522 --> 00:47:13,242</time>
<s>只有那一次争吵</s>
<time>1672_00:47:13,602 --> 00:47:14,322</time>
<s>是掏心窝子说的</s>
<time>1673_00:47:14,681 --> 00:47:15,402</time>
<s>两个人眼泪狂飙</s>
<time>1674_00:47:16,122 --> 00:47:17,202</time>
<s>那会儿他们已经离婚了</s>
<time>1675_00:47:17,562 --> 00:47:18,281</time>
<s>那一次说你知不知道</s>
<time>1676_00:47:18,642 --> 00:47:19,722</time>
<s>你们给我带来多少痛苦</s>
<time>1677_00:47:20,801 --> 00:47:21,882</time>
<s>我有多痛苦你知道吗</s>
<time>1678_00:47:22,962 --> 00:47:23,682</time>
<s>告诉我妈</s>
<time>1679_00:47:24,042 --> 00:47:25,122</time>
<s>然后后来我妈也眼泪狂</s>
<time>1680_00:47:25,482 --> 00:47:26,201</time>
<s>我也不想让你痛苦</s>
<time>1681_00:47:26,562 --> 00:47:27,282</time>
<s>我也很痛苦什么的</s>
<time>1682_00:47:27,642 --> 00:47:28,362</time>
<s>我说我知道你很痛苦</s>
<time>1683_00:47:28,721 --> 00:47:29,082</time>
<s>什么的</s>
<time>1684_00:47:29,442 --> 00:47:30,522</time>
<s>跟演电视剧一样</s>
<time>1685_00:47:32,322 --> 00:47:33,042</time>
<s>但是后来那一次</s>
<time>1686_00:47:33,402 --> 00:47:34,842</time>
<s>巨大的那个争吵之后</s>
<time>1687_00:47:35,562 --> 00:47:35,922</time>
<s>得到了母女俩的</s>
<time>1688_00:47:36,282 --> 00:47:36,642</time>
<s>大和解</s>
<time>1689_00:47:37,722 --> 00:47:38,082</time>
<s>因为可能真的</s>
<time>1690_00:47:38,442 --> 00:47:39,162</time>
<s>需要释放之后才能</s>
<time>1691_00:47:40,962 --> 00:47:42,042</time>
<s>你爸妈是什么样的人</s>
<time>1692_00:47:42,402 --> 00:47:43,122</time>
<s>他们俩都非常有生命力</s>
<time>1693_00:47:43,842 --> 00:47:44,922</time>
<s>我妈妈是下岗的那一批</s>
<time>1694_00:47:45,282 --> 00:47:46,002</time>
<s>是一个国企</s>
<time>1695_00:47:46,362 --> 00:47:47,442</time>
<s>那时候全国都是</s>
<time>1696_00:47:48,522 --> 00:47:48,881</time>
<s>但是我妈</s>
<time>1697_00:47:49,242 --> 00:47:51,402</time>
<s>从下岗到她后来退休</s>
<time>1698_00:47:51,762 --> 00:47:52,842</time>
<s>她只有半年是</s>
<time>1699_00:47:53,202 --> 00:47:53,562</time>
<s>没有工作的</s>
<time>1700_00:47:54,282 --> 00:47:55,002</time>
<s>她应该换了</s>
<time>1701_00:47:55,362 --> 00:47:56,082</time>
<s>十几二十个工作</s>
<time>1702_00:47:56,802 --> 00:47:59,322</time>
<s>然后我爸爸是上海大学</s>
<time>1703_00:47:59,682 --> 00:48:00,402</time>
<s>中文系（毕业的）</s>
<time>1704_00:48:00,762 --> 00:48:02,562</time>
<s>做记者做编辑</s>
<time>1705_00:48:02,922 --> 00:48:03,642</time>
<s>自由撰稿人什么的</s>
<time>1706_00:48:04,002 --> 00:48:04,722</time>
<s>你爸是跟我同行</s>
<time>1707_00:48:05,082 --> 00:48:06,162</time>
<s>差不多</s>
<time>1708_00:48:06,522 --> 00:48:07,602</time>
<s>然后我爸后来</s>
<time>1709_00:48:07,962 --> 00:48:08,322</time>
<s>开始研究</s>
<time>1710_00:48:08,682 --> 00:48:09,402</time>
<s>研究什么</s>
<time>1711_00:48:11,202 --> 00:48:13,002</time>
<s>也是比如说上海的近代史</s>
<time>1712_00:48:13,362 --> 00:48:14,802</time>
<s>这么有意思</s>
<time>1713_00:48:15,162 --> 00:48:16,241</time>
<s>我估计我跟你爸挺聊得来</s>
<time>1714_00:48:16,962 --> 00:48:17,322</time>
<s>肯定</s>
<time>1715_00:48:17,682 --> 00:48:18,402</time>
<s>你俩肯定聊得来</s>
<time>1716_00:48:19,482 --> 00:48:20,202</time>
<s>我都不跟我爸聊</s>
<time>1717_00:48:20,562 --> 00:48:20,922</time>
<s>我爸跟我说</s>
<time>1718_00:48:21,281 --> 00:48:21,642</time>
<s>你知道吗</s>
<time>1719_00:48:22,002 --> 00:48:22,721</time>
<s>上海</s>
<time>1720_00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:24,162</time>
<s>在开埠以前</s>
<time>1721_00:48:25,242 --> 00:48:25,602</time>
<s>在金山那里</s>
<time>1722_00:48:25,962 --> 00:48:26,682</time>
<s>不想听</s>
<time>1723_00:48:29,201 --> 00:48:30,282</time>
<s>那时候现在想起来</s>
<time>1724_00:48:30,642 --> 00:48:31,362</time>
<s>那时候九十年代的上海</s>
<time>1725_00:48:31,722 --> 00:48:32,082</time>
<s>是什么感觉</s>
<time>1726_00:48:32,801 --> 00:48:33,882</time>
<s>那会儿的上海</s>
<time>1727_00:48:36,402 --> 00:48:37,482</time>
<s>就如果是我童年印象深的</s>
<time>1728_00:48:37,842 --> 00:48:39,282</time>
<s>应该就是有很多路边摊</s>
<time>1729_00:48:40,002 --> 00:48:41,082</time>
<s>是真的就很路边</s>
<time>1730_00:48:41,442 --> 00:48:43,241</time>
<s>摊煎饼果子的什么</s>
<time>1731_00:48:43,602 --> 00:48:44,682</time>
<s>卖上海那种油墩子的</s>
<time>1732_00:48:45,042 --> 00:48:46,482</time>
<s>炸里脊肉什么的</s>
<time>1733_00:48:46,842 --> 00:48:47,562</time>
<s>其他的真的</s>
<time>1734_00:48:47,922 --> 00:48:48,642</time>
<s>没有太多印象</s>
<time>1735_00:48:49,002 --> 00:48:49,721</time>
<s>那时候对自己</s>
<time>1736_00:48:50,082 --> 00:48:50,802</time>
<s>因为十五六岁的时候</s>
<time>1737_00:48:51,162 --> 00:48:51,522</time>
<s>已经开始</s>
<time>1738_00:48:52,241 --> 00:48:52,962</time>
<s>比较清楚了吧</s>
<time>1739_00:48:53,322 --> 00:48:54,402</time>
<s>对自己未来有想法吗</s>
<time>1740_00:48:54,762 --> 00:48:55,122</time>
<s>惜惜懂懂的</s>
