<time>3_00:00:12,282 --> 00:00:13,722</time>
<s>您觉得对你来说</s>
<time>4_00:00:14,082 --> 00:00:15,522</time>
<s>思想与行动的关系是什么</s>
<time>5_00:00:17,322 --> 00:00:19,482</time>
<s>这样一个问题提出来的时候</s>
<time>6_00:00:19,842 --> 00:00:20,922</time>
<s>它好像有一个一元论的色彩</s>
<time>7_00:00:21,282 --> 00:00:22,362</time>
<s>一方面是脑子里想的</s>
<time>8_00:00:22,722 --> 00:00:23,802</time>
<s>一方面是行动</s>
<time>9_00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:27,402</time>
<s>但是人的行动（action）</s>
<time>10_00:00:27,762 --> 00:00:28,482</time>
<s>为什么不同于</s>
<time>11_00:00:28,842 --> 00:00:31,722</time>
<s>物理的运动（movement）</s>
<time>12_00:00:32,082 --> 00:00:34,602</time>
<s>是因为实践从来都是</s>
<time>13_00:00:34,962 --> 00:00:36,402</time>
<s>理念加载的</s>
<time>14_00:00:38,201 --> 00:00:38,922</time>
<s>不一定完全是理性的</s>
<time>15_00:00:39,282 --> 00:00:40,002</time>
<s>也有你的感受性</s>
<time>16_00:00:40,362 --> 00:00:42,162</time>
<s>有你的情感投入</s>
<time>17_00:00:42,521 --> 00:00:42,882</time>
<s>但是无论如何</s>
<time>18_00:00:43,242 --> 00:00:44,682</time>
<s>你的行动是跟你的思想</s>
<time>19_00:00:45,042 --> 00:00:47,922</time>
<s>一直随时相伴相联系</s>
<time>20_00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:49,002</time>
<s>纠缠在一起的</s>
<time>21_00:00:50,442 --> 00:00:51,522</time>
<s>在有些时代会是一种</s>
<time>22_00:00:51,882 --> 00:00:53,682</time>
<s>更明确的反思想</s>
<time>23_00:00:54,042 --> 00:00:55,122</time>
<s>可能在此刻的社会</s>
<time>24_00:00:55,482 --> 00:00:56,562</time>
<s>似乎也有这些东西</s>
<time>25_00:00:56,922 --> 00:00:57,642</time>
<s>你的所有表达</s>
<time>26_00:00:58,002 --> 00:00:58,722</time>
<s>比不上说你做的</s>
<time>27_00:00:59,082 --> 00:00:59,802</time>
<s>任何一个具体的事情</s>
<time>28_00:01:00,882 --> 00:01:01,962</time>
<s>这个它好像符合</s>
<time>29_00:01:02,322 --> 00:01:03,042</time>
<s>普罗大众的直觉</s>
<time>30_00:01:03,402 --> 00:01:04,482</time>
<s>就是说我们的生活都是</s>
<time>31_00:01:04,842 --> 00:01:05,922</time>
<s>在一个个具体的事情</s>
<time>32_00:01:06,282 --> 00:01:07,721</time>
<s>和物的接触当中的</s>
<time>33_00:01:08,082 --> 00:01:09,162</time>
<s>行动是具体的</s>
<time>34_00:01:09,522 --> 00:01:10,601</time>
<s>具体的东西才是真实的</s>
<time>35_00:01:11,322 --> 00:01:12,402</time>
<s>思想是抽象的</s>
<time>36_00:01:12,762 --> 00:01:15,282</time>
<s>抽象的一般都是虚构的</s>
<time>37_00:01:15,642 --> 00:01:16,362</time>
<s>于是我们的问题就变成是</s>
<time>38_00:01:17,442 --> 00:01:18,882</time>
<s>什么是真实</s>
<time>39_00:01:19,962 --> 00:01:20,682</time>
<s>但这是难的问题</s>
<time>40_00:01:30,762 --> 00:01:31,482</time>
<s>我来问你</s>
<time>41_00:01:35,082 --> 00:01:37,242</time>
<s>《十三邀》这样做下去是</s>
<time>42_00:01:37,602 --> 00:01:39,762</time>
<s>创造一个文化商业品牌吗</s>
<time>43_00:01:41,202 --> 00:01:42,282</time>
<s>还是在做一个知识分子</s>
<time>44_00:01:42,642 --> 00:01:43,362</time>
<s>就对你而言</s>
<time>45_00:01:51,282 --> 00:01:52,002</time>
<s>好像你是继承了那个</s>
<time>46_00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:53,442</time>
<s>知识分子传统的一个人</s>
<time>47_00:01:53,802 --> 00:01:54,882</time>
<s>而且有这个自觉意识</s>
<time>48_00:01:55,242 --> 00:01:55,602</time>
<s>对吧</s>
<time>49_00:01:56,322 --> 00:01:57,402</time>
<s>但另一方面现在是</s>
<time>50_00:01:57,762 --> 00:01:58,122</time>
<s>会有这样一个整个的</s>
<time>51_00:01:58,482 --> 00:02:00,642</time>
<s>商业的一个框架和结构</s>
<time>52_00:02:01,002 --> 00:02:02,082</time>
<s>在要求你来操作</s>
<time>53_00:02:02,442 --> 00:02:04,242</time>
<s>你怎么平衡这个关系</s>
<time>54_00:02:11,802 --> 00:02:12,522</time>
<s>你有一个要点</s>
<time>55_00:02:12,882 --> 00:02:13,962</time>
<s>然后下面这个弹幕说</s>
<time>56_00:02:14,322 --> 00:02:15,402</time>
<s>这两人说什么</s>
<time>57_00:02:15,762 --> 00:02:16,122</time>
<s>对云山雾绕的是吧</s>
<time>58_00:02:16,482 --> 00:02:16,842</time>
<s>胡扯半天</s>
<time>59_00:02:17,202 --> 00:02:18,282</time>
<s>然后抽象得不得了对</s>
<time>60_00:02:18,641 --> 00:02:19,362</time>
<s>在这里自嗨</s>
<time>61_00:02:20,802 --> 00:02:22,242</time>
<s>你已经做完五季了</s>
<time>62_00:02:22,602 --> 00:02:23,321</time>
<s>完成了五季</s>
<time>63_00:02:23,682 --> 00:02:24,762</time>
<s>你这五季你个人</s>
<time>64_00:02:25,122 --> 00:02:26,202</time>
<s>有什么变化吗你觉得</s>
<time>65_00:02:29,082 --> 00:02:31,962</time>
<s>其实一部分跟您的一些变化</s>
<time>66_00:02:32,322 --> 00:02:33,402</time>
<s>肯定会有相似的地方</s>
<time>67_00:02:33,762 --> 00:02:35,562</time>
<s>你也希望你的传达更有效率</s>
<time>68_00:02:36,642 --> 00:02:38,442</time>
<s>但是当你试图更有效率的时候</s>
<time>69_00:02:38,802 --> 00:02:39,882</time>
<s>它也会伤害另一些东西</s>
<time>70_00:02:42,042 --> 00:02:42,402</time>
<s>我想跟他聊</s>
<time>71_00:02:42,762 --> 00:02:46,002</time>
<s>就是思想生活在这个时候</s>
<time>72_00:02:46,722 --> 00:02:47,442</time>
<s>对我们的意义</s>
<time>73_00:02:47,802 --> 00:02:48,881</time>
<s>然后他的背景也挺有意思的</s>
<time>74_00:02:49,241 --> 00:02:51,402</time>
<s>经历过整个那个八十年代那个</s>
<time>75_00:02:52,122 --> 00:02:52,482</time>
<s>你看他年轻的时候</s>
<time>76_00:02:52,842 --> 00:02:53,922</time>
<s>思想生活在中国是最重要的</s>
<time>77_00:02:54,282 --> 00:02:55,722</time>
<s>是年轻人最重要的一件事情</s>
<time>78_00:02:56,082 --> 00:02:57,522</time>
<s>现在他需要声嘶力竭地讲</s>
<time>79_00:02:57,882 --> 00:02:58,961</time>
<s>思想生活是重要的</s>
<time>80_00:02:59,322 --> 00:02:59,681</time>
<s>其实我</s>
<time>81_00:03:00,402 --> 00:03:03,282</time>
<s>你去看我访谈演讲</s>
<time>82_00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:05,082</time>
<s>我都会特别强调</s>
<time>83_00:03:05,442 --> 00:03:06,522</time>
<s>这只是一个线索</s>
<time>84_00:03:06,882 --> 00:03:09,762</time>
<s>是通向更开阔的更深厚的</s>
<time>85_00:03:10,122 --> 00:03:11,922</time>
<s>更重要的那些著作的桥梁</s>
<time>86_00:03:12,282 --> 00:03:13,722</time>
<s>我希望架起这个桥梁</s>
<time>87_00:03:14,082 --> 00:03:16,242</time>
<s>我是给你一个导游图</s>
<time>88_00:03:16,962 --> 00:03:20,202</time>
<s>比如说会有那种自我的怀疑吗</s>
<time>89_00:03:20,922 --> 00:03:22,362</time>
<s>特别善于做导游图的人</s>
<time>90_00:03:23,082 --> 00:03:24,162</time>
<s>去创造一个原创的景点</s>
<time>91_00:03:24,522 --> 00:03:25,602</time>
<s>就变得困难起来</s>
<time>92_00:03:28,122 --> 00:03:28,842</time>
<s>因为我在困惑</s>
<time>93_00:03:29,922 --> 00:03:30,642</time>
<s>这是我自我的困惑</s>
<time>94_00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:31,722</time>
<s>我现在都接受《十三邀》</s>
<time>95_00:03:32,082 --> 00:03:33,162</time>
<s>是我的一部分了</s>
<time>96_00:03:33,522 --> 00:03:33,882</time>
<s>多大的一个转变</s>
<time>97_00:03:34,242 --> 00:03:36,042</time>
<s>所以我自己对这也很矛盾</s>
<time>98_00:03:36,402 --> 00:03:36,762</time>
<s>我就</s>
<time>99_00:03:37,842 --> 00:03:38,562</time>
<s>我觉得我说这个</s>
<time>100_00:03:38,922 --> 00:03:39,282</time>
<s>肯定也不正确</s>
<time>101_00:03:39,642 --> 00:03:40,362</time>
<s>我也说不清楚</s>
<time>102_00:03:40,722 --> 00:03:41,442</time>
<s>但我也很矛盾</s>
<time>103_00:03:43,602 --> 00:03:45,042</time>
<s>但我现在对这个有困惑的</s>
<time>104_00:03:49,722 --> 00:03:51,882</time>
<s>你觉得墙上这批人</s>
<time>105_00:03:52,962 --> 00:03:54,042</time>
<s>这么多伟大的头脑</s>
<time>106_00:03:54,402 --> 00:03:55,842</time>
<s>按照你对他们的了解</s>
<time>107_00:03:56,562 --> 00:03:57,642</time>
<s>谁最可能</s>
<time>108_00:03:58,002 --> 00:04:00,162</time>
<s>观察到我们现在巨大的问题</s>
<time>109_00:04:00,882 --> 00:04:02,682</time>
<s>现代生活的失控感</s>
<time>110_00:04:03,042 --> 00:04:03,762</time>
<s>或者不可理解性</s>
<time>111_00:04:04,122 --> 00:04:05,562</time>
<s>那种很强的意义危机</s>
<time>112_00:04:08,082 --> 00:04:09,522</time>
<s>这个议题对他们都太难了</s>
<time>113_00:04:12,042 --> 00:04:12,762</time>
<s>其实面对新时代</s>
<time>114_00:04:13,122 --> 00:04:14,202</time>
<s>你是找不出一个特别有效的</s>
<time>115_00:04:14,562 --> 00:04:14,922</time>
<s>新框架</s>
<time>116_00:04:15,282 --> 00:04:18,162</time>
<s>就是有些工具还没有准备好</s>
<time>117_00:04:20,682 --> 00:04:23,202</time>
<s>我内心仍然有某种更欣赏</s>
<time>118_00:04:23,562 --> 00:04:24,282</time>
<s>那些思想者</s>
<time>119_00:04:24,642 --> 00:04:26,441</time>
<s>他们在做一些逆潮流的事情</s>
<time>120_00:04:28,242 --> 00:04:29,322</time>
<s>但另一方面说回来</s>
<time>121_00:04:30,401 --> 00:04:30,762</time>
<s>你也会怀疑</s>
<time>122_00:04:31,122 --> 00:04:31,842</time>
<s>是不是自我的狭隘</s>
<time>123_00:04:32,562 --> 00:04:33,281</time>
<s>然后你是不是高估了</s>
<time>124_00:04:33,642 --> 00:04:34,002</time>
<s>知识分子</s>
<time>125_00:04:34,362 --> 00:04:35,082</time>
<s>或者是写作者</s>
<time>126_00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:35,802</time>
<s>或者一个创作者</s>
<time>127_00:04:36,162 --> 00:04:37,242</time>
<s>这样一个角色</s>
<time>128_00:04:38,682 --> 00:04:39,762</time>
<s>所以我也始终会问他们</s>
<time>129_00:04:41,921 --> 00:04:43,002</time>
<s>你觉得现在知识分子这个身份</s>
<time>130_00:04:43,362 --> 00:04:44,442</time>
<s>让你困惑吗</s>
<time>131_00:05:12,162 --> 00:05:13,242</time>
<s>伴台兰合龙本</s>
<time>132_00:05:14,682 --> 00:05:15,762</time>
<s>你退相新的成平</s>
<time>133_00:05:16,842 --> 00:05:18,282</time>
<s>名儿大脉日的小行</s>
<time>134_00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:19,722</time>
<s>全定然到变的明大</s>
<time>135_00:05:20,082 --> 00:05:20,802</time>
<s>人安到变的品大</s>
<time>136_00:05:21,882 --> 00:05:22,962</time>
<s>求目。</s><s>人音处的白7</s>
<time>137_00:05:26,202 --> 00:05:26,922</time>
<s>保新</s>
<time>138_00:05:27,642 --> 00:05:28,722</time>
<s>儿变目坚密的链名</s>
<time>139_00:05:36,282 --> 00:05:36,642</time>
<s>因为你松格送</s>
<time>140_00:05:38,082 --> 00:05:38,441</time>
<s>目切的源头</s>
<time>141_00:05:42,042 --> 00:05:43,122</time>
<s>兰因定音处评现</s>
<time>142_00:05:45,642 --> 00:05:47,082</time>
<s>哈要上生合于可克色</s>
<time>143_00:06:03,642 --> 00:06:04,002</time>
<s>温拉圾清运</s>
<time>144_00:06:05,082 --> 00:06:06,522</time>
<s>激</s>
<time>145_00:06:06,882 --> 00:06:08,322</time>
<s>昨天你跟他聊的过程中</s>
<time>146_00:06:08,682 --> 00:06:09,402</time>
<s>让你印象最深的</s>
<time>147_00:06:09,762 --> 00:06:11,202</time>
<s>一个细节是什么</s>
<time>148_00:06:11,922 --> 00:06:14,082</time>
<s>他那个现实感</s>
<time>149_00:06:14,442 --> 00:06:14,802</time>
<s>他怎么能够保持</s>
<time>150_00:06:15,162 --> 00:06:15,522</time>
<s>那么敏锐的东西</s>
<time>151_00:06:15,882 --> 00:06:18,402</time>
<s>那么对现实的一个</s>
<time>152_00:06:19,122 --> 00:06:20,202</time>
<s>精确的把握</s>
<time>153_00:06:21,642 --> 00:06:23,442</time>
<s>其实我们做的好多事情</s>
<time>154_00:06:23,802 --> 00:06:25,962</time>
<s>都想保持一种现实感</s>
<time>155_00:06:26,322 --> 00:06:27,042</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>156_00:06:28,122 --> 00:06:28,482</time>
<s>保持现实感</s>
<time>157_00:06:28,842 --> 00:06:31,722</time>
<s>是个非常困难的事情</s>
<time>158_00:06:32,082 --> 00:06:34,602</time>
<s>需要非常多的训练</s>
<time>159_00:06:34,962 --> 00:06:36,042</time>
<s>刘老师</s>
<time>160_00:06:36,762 --> 00:06:37,842</time>
<s>咱们今天慢慢走</s>
<time>161_00:06:38,202 --> 00:06:39,282</time>
<s>他们说昨天走太快了</s>
<time>162_00:06:39,642 --> 00:06:40,002</time>
<s>谁帮我拿个包</s>
<time>163_00:06:40,362 --> 00:06:41,442</time>
<s>让他们拿</s>
<time>164_00:06:59,082 --> 00:06:59,442</time>
<s>咱们去哪</s>
<time>165_00:06:59,802 --> 00:07:00,882</time>
<s>你带我转转小时候地方</s>
<time>166_00:07:01,242 --> 00:07:01,602</time>
<s>在汉口路</s>
<time>167_00:07:01,962 --> 00:07:02,322</time>
<s>好</s>
<time>168_00:07:03,042 --> 00:07:03,762</time>
<s>是不是这种房子很多</s>
<time>169_00:07:04,122 --> 00:07:04,482</time>
<s>小时候</s>
<time>170_00:07:04,842 --> 00:07:08,082</time>
<s>对这些肯定是特别早的房子</s>
<time>171_00:07:09,162 --> 00:07:11,322</time>
<s>小时候其实我是出生在青海</s>
<time>172_00:07:12,042 --> 00:07:12,762</time>
<s>青海西宁</s>
<time>173_00:07:13,122 --> 00:07:14,562</time>
<s>但是我小时候来过几次上海</s>
<time>174_00:07:14,922 --> 00:07:16,002</time>
<s>还在上海读过幼儿园</s>
<time>175_00:07:16,722 --> 00:07:17,802</time>
<s>因为我奶奶是住在上海</s>
<time>176_00:07:18,162 --> 00:07:19,962</time>
<s>一个像大的四合院</s>
<time>177_00:07:20,322 --> 00:07:20,682</time>
<s>多层的</s>
<time>178_00:07:21,762 --> 00:07:22,482</time>
<s>相互可以观望</s>
<time>179_00:07:23,202 --> 00:07:25,002</time>
<s>对是一共同体</s>
<time>180_00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:26,082</time>
<s>然后各种各样的人都有</s>
<time>181_00:07:27,162 --> 00:07:28,242</time>
<s>我们家对面有一个男生</s>
<time>182_00:07:28,602 --> 00:07:29,682</time>
<s>谁都不知道他在干什么</s>
<time>183_00:07:30,042 --> 00:07:30,762</time>
<s>一天到晚听收音机</s>
<time>184_00:07:31,122 --> 00:07:32,202</time>
<s>突然就考上复旦那个</s>
<time>185_00:07:32,562 --> 00:07:34,002</time>
<s>苏步青的研究生</s>
<time>186_00:07:34,362 --> 00:07:34,722</time>
<s>那么厉害</s>
<time>187_00:07:35,082 --> 00:07:36,162</time>
<s>学数学的</s>
<time>188_00:07:36,522 --> 00:07:39,042</time>
<s>就是他自己会用无线电</s>
<time>189_00:07:39,402 --> 00:07:41,922</time>
<s>自已装个无线电听BBC什么</s>
<time>190_00:07:47,682 --> 00:07:49,122</time>
<s>你看这就不知道在哪儿了</s>
<time>191_00:07:49,482 --> 00:07:50,562</time>
<s>421号</s>
<time>192_00:07:50,922 --> 00:07:51,642</time>
<s>那已经429了</s>
<time>193_00:07:52,002 --> 00:07:53,082</time>
<s>这里是429了</s>
<time>194_00:07:53,442 --> 00:07:53,802</time>
<s>应该是</s>
<time>195_00:07:54,162 --> 00:07:55,242</time>
<s>这还是挺有感觉的</s>
<time>196_00:07:55,602 --> 00:07:56,322</time>
<s>425</s>
<time>197_00:07:56,682 --> 00:07:57,402</time>
<s>这是几号</s>
<time>198_00:07:57,762 --> 00:07:58,842</time>
<s>419</s>
<time>199_00:07:59,202 --> 00:07:59,922</time>
<s>应该这是421</s>
<time>200_00:08:00,282 --> 00:08:01,002</time>
<s>应该是这个地方</s>
<time>201_00:08:02,442 --> 00:08:02,802</time>
<s>这就没有了</s>
<time>202_00:08:03,162 --> 00:08:04,602</time>
<s>变成供电局了这就</s>
<time>203_00:08:04,962 --> 00:08:06,762</time>
<s>本来进门一个大院子</s>
<time>204_00:08:07,122 --> 00:08:07,842</time>
<s>然后一楼</s>
<time>205_00:08:08,202 --> 00:08:09,282</time>
<s>然后就是一排水龙头</s>
<time>206_00:08:09,642 --> 00:08:11,082</time>
<s>大家用水都是公用的</s>
<time>207_00:08:11,442 --> 00:08:12,162</time>
<s>我爸爸</s>
<time>208_00:08:12,522 --> 00:08:14,322</time>
<s>那时候还好像有一点小威望</s>
<time>209_00:08:14,682 --> 00:08:15,402</time>
<s>所有人都叫他</s>
<time>210_00:08:15,762 --> 00:08:16,482</time>
<s>娘舅</s>
<time>211_00:08:16,842 --> 00:08:17,562</time>
<s>你知道上海老娘舅</s>
<time>212_00:08:18,282 --> 00:08:19,362</time>
<s>就是邻里有纠纷</s>
<time>213_00:08:19,722 --> 00:08:20,802</time>
<s>就是仲裁</s>
<time>214_00:08:21,162 --> 00:08:21,522</time>
<s>仲裁对</s>
<time>215_00:08:21,882 --> 00:08:22,242</time>
<s>道德权威</s>
<time>216_00:08:22,602 --> 00:08:22,962</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>217_00:08:24,762 --> 00:08:25,122</time>
<s>其实我父母那时候</s>
<time>218_00:08:25,482 --> 00:08:26,922</time>
<s>他们是建广播电台</s>
<time>219_00:08:27,282 --> 00:08:28,362</time>
<s>因为我们国家</s>
<time>220_00:08:28,722 --> 00:08:29,802</time>
<s>就所有政府的声音</s>
<time>221_00:08:30,162 --> 00:08:31,602</time>
<s>要传达到全国各地</s>
<time>222_00:08:32,322 --> 00:08:33,042</time>
<s>所以就是</s>
<time>223_00:08:33,402 --> 00:08:34,482</time>
<s>把上海广播电台各个部门</s>
<time>224_00:08:34,841 --> 00:08:35,922</time>
<s>抽调一些</s>
<time>225_00:08:36,282 --> 00:08:39,162</time>
<s>抽调一部分人直接移到青海去</s>
<time>226_00:08:39,522 --> 00:08:40,962</time>
<s>然后他们就报名</s>
<time>227_00:08:42,402 --> 00:08:43,122</time>
<s>也算有点热血青年</s>
<time>228_00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:44,562</time>
<s>二十岁刚刚出头</s>
<time>229_00:08:44,922 --> 00:08:46,002</time>
<s>作为祖国的两块砖</s>
<time>230_00:08:46,362 --> 00:08:46,721</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>231_00:08:47,082 --> 00:08:47,442</time>
<s>放过去</s>
<time>232_00:08:47,802 --> 00:08:49,242</time>
<s>本来他们说是去四年就回来</s>
<time>233_00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:51,402</time>
<s>但是后来就是</s>
<time>234_00:08:51,762 --> 00:08:53,202</time>
<s>去了二十一年</s>
<time>235_00:08:55,362 --> 00:08:55,721</time>
<s>所以就</s>
<time>236_00:08:56,082 --> 00:08:57,522</time>
<s>我生在那个环境挺好玩的</s>
<time>237_00:08:57,882 --> 00:08:59,322</time>
<s>就是天高自然</s>
<time>238_00:08:59,681 --> 00:09:00,402</time>
<s>爬树</s>
<time>239_00:09:00,762 --> 00:09:01,482</time>
<s>而且那时候同学当中</s>
<time>240_00:09:01,841 --> 00:09:02,202</time>
<s>拖腊有特别质朴的激</s>
<time>241_00:09:02,562 --> 00:09:02,922</time>
<s>有特别质朴的</s>
<time>242_00:09:03,282 --> 00:09:04,362</time>
<s>小时候因为我读书早</s>
<time>243_00:09:04,722 --> 00:09:06,162</time>
<s>班上有人欺负</s>
<time>244_00:09:06,522 --> 00:09:07,601</time>
<s>但是我就有同学</s>
<time>245_00:09:08,322 --> 00:09:09,402</time>
<s>我作业帮他</s>
<time>246_00:09:09,762 --> 00:09:11,202</time>
<s>考试的时候让他抄一抄</s>
<time>247_00:09:11,562 --> 00:09:11,922</time>
<s>然后就有人保护我</s>
<time>248_00:09:12,282 --> 00:09:13,721</time>
<s>知识换取暴力是吧</s>
<time>249_00:09:14,082 --> 00:09:14,442</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>250_00:09:15,162 --> 00:09:16,601</time>
<s>但是你既不是本地人</s>
<time>251_00:09:16,962 --> 00:09:18,042</time>
<s>又是本地人对</s>
<time>252_00:09:18,402 --> 00:09:20,562</time>
<s>你到上海来也是外地人</s>
<time>253_00:09:20,922 --> 00:09:22,721</time>
<s>所以我个人</s>
<time>254_00:09:23,082 --> 00:09:24,522</time>
<s>后来长大以后弄清楚</s>
<time>255_00:09:25,962 --> 00:09:26,682</time>
<s>你自己的身份</s>
<time>256_00:09:27,042 --> 00:09:28,122</time>
<s>我没有一个特别强的</s>
<time>257_00:09:28,482 --> 00:09:29,202</time>
<s>地方认同</s>
<time>258_00:09:29,561 --> 00:09:31,721</time>
<s>没有一个对哪个地方特别强的</s>
<time>259_00:09:32,082 --> 00:09:32,802</time>
<s>归属感</s>
<time>260_00:09:33,162 --> 00:09:34,962</time>
<s>关系既紧密又疏离</s>
<time>261_00:09:35,322 --> 00:09:37,841</time>
<s>既在其中又在其外</s>
<time>262_00:09:38,202 --> 00:09:39,282</time>
<s>所以就是会有一个世界主义的</s>
<time>263_00:09:39,642 --> 00:09:41,442</time>
<s>这样一种倾向</s>
<time>264_00:09:43,601 --> 00:09:44,682</time>
<s>咱们去个人少的地方行么</s>
<time>265_00:09:45,042 --> 00:09:45,402</time>
<s>咱们去个人少的地方</s>
<time>266_00:09:45,762 --> 00:09:46,482</time>
<s>不自在</s>
<time>267_00:09:49,002 --> 00:09:49,722</time>
<s>那你比如说过去一年</s>
<time>268_00:09:50,082 --> 00:09:51,162</time>
<s>你跟娱乐跟大众</s>
<time>269_00:09:51,882 --> 00:09:52,602</time>
<s>当时很意外吧</s>
<time>270_00:09:52,962 --> 00:09:53,322</time>
<s>我不知道《奇葩说》</s>
<time>271_00:09:53,682 --> 00:09:54,762</time>
<s>会有这么大影响力</s>
<time>272_00:09:55,482 --> 00:09:56,202</time>
<s>会不适么</s>
<time>273_00:09:56,922 --> 00:09:57,642</time>
<s>就是突然</s>
<time>274_00:09:58,002 --> 00:09:59,082</time>
<s>你想我学政治哲学的人</s>
<time>275_00:09:59,442 --> 00:10:00,882</time>
<s>现在主要谈的是人生哲学</s>
<time>276_00:10:03,762 --> 00:10:04,482</time>
<s>活著</s>
<time>277_00:10:04,841 --> 00:10:05,922</time>
<s>威士忌与哲学</s>
<time>278_00:10:06,282 --> 00:10:06,642</time>
<s>这挺好的</s>
<time>279_00:10:07,002 --> 00:10:07,362</time>
<s>活著</s>
<time>280_00:10:08,442 --> 00:10:10,242</time>
<s>世界的本质是混沌</s>
<time>281_00:10:10,602 --> 00:10:11,322</time>
<s>天</s>
<time>282_00:10:14,922 --> 00:10:16,362</time>
<s>你选三个最喜欢的</s>
<time>283_00:10:17,082 --> 00:10:17,802</time>
<s>尼采</s>
<time>284_00:10:18,162 --> 00:10:18,882</time>
<s>维特根斯坦</s>
<time>285_00:10:19,962 --> 00:10:21,042</time>
<s>阿伦特有吗</s>
<time>286_00:10:22,482 --> 00:10:23,202</time>
<s>阿伦特没看到</s>
<time>287_00:10:25,002 --> 00:10:26,082</time>
<s>加缪你不是那么喜欢是吧</s>
<time>288_00:10:26,442 --> 00:10:27,522</time>
<s>加缪很喜欢</s>
<time>289_00:10:27,882 --> 00:10:28,962</time>
<s>他也是作家对</s>
<time>290_00:10:30,762 --> 00:10:32,921</time>
<s>你好</s>
<time>291_00:10:34,362 --> 00:10:35,082</time>
<s>你是喜欢威士忌的</s>
<time>292_00:10:35,442 --> 00:10:36,522</time>
<s>我喝威士忌</s>
<time>293_00:10:36,882 --> 00:10:38,322</time>
<s>还是有点饿觉得</s>
<time>294_00:10:38,682 --> 00:10:39,762</time>
<s>这有吃的吗这里面</s>
<time>295_00:10:40,122 --> 00:10:41,202</time>
<s>有吃的可以叫</s>
<time>296_00:10:45,882 --> 00:10:46,962</time>
<s>你天天对着这群人什么感觉</s>
<time>297_00:10:47,322 --> 00:10:48,042</time>
<s>天天看着他们</s>
<time>298_00:10:48,762 --> 00:10:49,482</time>
<s>我说这个回答不了的</s>
<time>299_00:10:49,841 --> 00:10:50,202</time>
<s>我让它回答</s>
<time>300_00:10:50,562 --> 00:10:51,642</time>
<s>它回答不了的让他们回答</s>
<time>301_00:10:52,362 --> 00:10:53,082</time>
<s>这个很好</s>
<time>302_00:10:53,442 --> 00:10:54,882</time>
<s>对“酒神跟太阳神”</s>
<time>303_00:10:55,242 --> 00:10:57,042</time>
<s>你觉得在现在的中国</s>
<time>304_00:10:57,402 --> 00:10:58,122</time>
<s>你期望一个哲学家</s>
<time>305_00:10:58,482 --> 00:10:59,202</time>
<s>扮演什么角色</s>
<time>306_00:10:59,562 --> 00:10:59,922</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>307_00:11:00,282 --> 00:11:02,442</time>
<s>就喝喝酒会饮一下</s>
<time>308_00:11:02,802 --> 00:11:05,322</time>
<s>其实我个人觉得是没有答案</s>
<time>309_00:11:05,682 --> 00:11:07,482</time>
<s>就我们讲哲学家从政也好</s>
<time>310_00:11:07,841 --> 00:11:08,562</time>
<s>理想国也好</s>
<time>311_00:11:08,922 --> 00:11:10,002</time>
<s>到现在这个时代的话</s>
<time>312_00:11:10,362 --> 00:11:11,082</time>
<s>我认为哲学回暖的</s>
<time>313_00:11:11,442 --> 00:11:12,522</time>
<s>一大部分原因就是</s>
<time>314_00:11:12,882 --> 00:11:13,962</time>
<s>现在人的精神疾病</s>
<time>315_00:11:14,322 --> 00:11:15,402</time>
<s>会越来越明显</s>
<time>316_00:11:15,762 --> 00:11:16,482</time>
<s>所以讲人会栖息</s>
<time>317_00:11:16,841 --> 00:11:17,922</time>
<s>会找到一个比如说</s>
<time>318_00:11:18,282 --> 00:11:19,362</time>
<s>心理问题的一个安慰</s>
<time>319_00:11:20,442 --> 00:11:21,162</time>
<s>或者找精神层面上</s>
<time>320_00:11:21,522 --> 00:11:22,962</time>
<s>前几个月他们那个</s>
<time>321_00:11:23,322 --> 00:11:24,042</time>
<s>复旦的那个招生老师</s>
<time>322_00:11:25,122 --> 00:11:26,561</time>
<s>说现在的哲学系它们受欢迎</s>
<time>323_00:11:26,922 --> 00:11:27,282</time>
<s>很时是吧</s>
<time>324_00:11:27,642 --> 00:11:28,362</time>
<s>对很时量</s>
<time>325_00:11:28,721 --> 00:11:29,442</time>
<s>包括这也是代表一个</s>
<time>326_00:11:29,801 --> 00:11:30,522</time>
<s>这是一个信号</s>
<time>327_00:11:30,882 --> 00:11:31,242</time>
<s>所以我们现在就是说</s>
<time>328_00:11:31,601 --> 00:11:33,042</time>
<s>这个竞争越来越激烈以后</s>
<time>329_00:11:33,402 --> 00:11:34,482</time>
<s>人这个精神压力</s>
<time>330_00:11:34,841 --> 00:11:35,562</time>
<s>他无非几个通道</s>
<time>331_00:11:35,922 --> 00:11:37,362</time>
<s>有个意义遗乏的问题</s>
<time>332_00:11:37,721 --> 00:11:40,242</time>
<s>感觉他讲的比这火腿还好吃</s>
<time>333_00:11:43,482 --> 00:11:44,561</time>
<s>这股潮流</s>
<time>334_00:11:44,922 --> 00:11:46,722</time>
<s>您自已是什么时候感觉到</s>
<time>335_00:11:47,082 --> 00:11:48,521</time>
<s>比较明显出现的</s>
<time>336_00:11:49,242 --> 00:11:50,682</time>
<s>我觉得就这几年</s>
<time>337_00:11:51,042 --> 00:11:51,762</time>
<s>我也感觉好像就这几年</s>
<time>338_00:11:52,122 --> 00:11:53,202</time>
<s>就是说你那个竞争</s>
<time>339_00:11:53,562 --> 00:11:55,362</time>
<s>通过职场的晋升</s>
<time>340_00:11:55,721 --> 00:11:58,601</time>
<s>通过成功学所许诺的那些</s>
<time>341_00:11:58,962 --> 00:11:59,682</time>
<s>回报</s>
<time>342_00:12:00,042 --> 00:12:02,561</time>
<s>当它这些方面特别打折扣</s>
<time>343_00:12:04,002 --> 00:12:05,442</time>
<s>意义的问题就特别彰显</s>
<time>344_00:12:05,802 --> 00:12:07,602</time>
<s>彰显以后就会有这个需求</s>
<time>345_00:12:08,682 --> 00:12:09,762</time>
<s>我觉得和八十年代不一样的是</s>
<time>346_00:12:10,122 --> 00:12:11,562</time>
<s>八十年代也看这些东西</s>
<time>347_00:12:11,922 --> 00:12:12,642</time>
<s>当时是因为</s>
<time>348_00:12:13,002 --> 00:12:16,242</time>
<s>人的物质欲望没有被满足</s>
<time>349_00:12:16,602 --> 00:12:16,962</time>
<s>甚至也没被激发出来</s>
<time>350_00:12:17,322 --> 00:12:17,682</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>351_00:12:18,042 --> 00:12:20,922</time>
<s>所以那时候读过大学的人</s>
<time>352_00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:23,442</time>
<s>他会追求精神层面的东西</s>
<time>353_00:12:23,802 --> 00:12:25,602</time>
<s>你想你上大学的时候</s>
<time>354_00:12:25,962 --> 00:12:26,322</time>
<s>等于是</s>
<time>355_00:12:26,682 --> 00:12:28,482</time>
<s>中国经过一个巨大的混乱时期</s>
<time>356_00:12:30,282 --> 00:12:31,722</time>
<s>突然开放之后然后</s>
<time>357_00:12:32,082 --> 00:12:33,522</time>
<s>那时候是很强的</s>
<time>358_00:12:34,602 --> 00:12:36,042</time>
<s>需要读所有这些东西</s>
<time>359_00:12:36,402 --> 00:12:37,842</time>
<s>那时候学生相对来说单纯</s>
<time>360_00:12:39,282 --> 00:12:41,082</time>
<s>他仍然认为这个</s>
<time>361_00:12:41,442 --> 00:12:42,522</time>
<s>把学业做好这件事情</s>
<time>362_00:12:42,882 --> 00:12:43,242</time>
<s>是挺重要的</s>
<time>363_00:12:44,322 --> 00:12:45,402</time>
<s>而且你的就业好像跟你的</s>
<time>364_00:12:45,762 --> 00:12:47,562</time>
<s>学的专业有关系</s>
<time>365_00:12:47,922 --> 00:12:50,442</time>
<s>所以学生比较听老师话</s>
<time>366_00:12:50,802 --> 00:12:52,962</time>
<s>相对来说比现在更集中精力</s>
<time>367_00:12:53,682 --> 00:12:54,402</time>
<s>在自己的学业上</s>
<time>368_00:12:55,122 --> 00:12:56,202</time>
<s>那现在阶段</s>
<time>369_00:12:56,562 --> 00:12:57,642</time>
<s>就是孩子会心猿意马</s>
<time>370_00:12:58,362 --> 00:12:59,802</time>
<s>到了（大学）二年级过了以后</s>
<time>371_00:13:00,162 --> 00:13:00,882</time>
<s>三年级就开始说</s>
<time>372_00:13:01,242 --> 00:13:02,322</time>
<s>我要找实习机会</s>
<time>373_00:13:03,042 --> 00:13:03,762</time>
<s>如果我晚了</s>
<time>374_00:13:04,122 --> 00:13:05,562</time>
<s>好的工作可能就没有了</s>
<time>375_00:13:05,922 --> 00:13:07,002</time>
<s>发展人脉</s>
<time>376_00:13:08,082 --> 00:13:09,522</time>
<s>这些就比较（重要）</s>
<time>377_00:13:10,242 --> 00:13:11,322</time>
<s>这个倾向越来越强</s>
<time>378_00:13:11,682 --> 00:13:12,762</time>
<s>到了四年级基本上就没课了</s>
<time>379_00:13:13,122 --> 00:13:14,202</time>
<s>就全在外面找实习</s>
<time>380_00:13:14,922 --> 00:13:16,722</time>
<s>我就觉得一个是</s>
<time>381_00:13:18,522 --> 00:13:19,962</time>
<s>对未来就业那个紧迫性</s>
<time>382_00:13:20,322 --> 00:13:21,762</time>
<s>然后生活的那个压力</s>
<time>383_00:13:22,122 --> 00:13:23,202</time>
<s>那个焦虑感</s>
<time>384_00:13:23,562 --> 00:13:25,362</time>
<s>其实就是期待和现实的</s>
<time>385_00:13:25,722 --> 00:13:26,802</time>
<s>这个落差比较大</s>
<time>386_00:13:27,162 --> 00:13:27,522</time>
<s>对其实是</s>
<time>387_00:13:27,882 --> 00:13:28,962</time>
<s>有时候会跟他们交流</s>
<time>388_00:13:29,322 --> 00:13:30,402</time>
<s>会看到一种很矛盾的现象</s>
<time>389_00:13:30,762 --> 00:13:31,482</time>
<s>其实一方面</s>
<time>390_00:13:31,842 --> 00:13:33,642</time>
<s>他们不会有那种真正的</s>
<time>391_00:13:35,082 --> 00:13:36,882</time>
<s>遗乏或者贫困感</s>
<time>392_00:13:37,242 --> 00:13:37,962</time>
<s>就是他不会掉到生活</s>
<time>393_00:13:38,322 --> 00:13:38,682</time>
<s>那个下面</s>
<time>394_00:13:39,042 --> 00:13:39,402</time>
<s>因为你有父母</s>
<time>395_00:13:39,762 --> 00:13:40,482</time>
<s>或者这个周围环境支撑</s>
<time>396_00:13:41,562 --> 00:13:42,642</time>
<s>但是他们有强烈的匮乏感</s>
<time>397_00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:45,162</time>
<s>因为他们从来没有贫睿过</s>
<time>398_00:13:47,322 --> 00:13:49,482</time>
<s>以前我们到那个饭店去</s>
<time>399_00:13:49,842 --> 00:13:50,562</time>
<s>要张餐巾纸</s>
<time>400_00:13:50,922 --> 00:13:51,642</time>
<s>一二三三个人</s>
<time>401_00:13:52,002 --> 00:13:52,722</time>
<s>给你三张</s>
<time>402_00:13:53,802 --> 00:13:55,602</time>
<s>然后现在你去麦当劳打工的</s>
<time>403_00:13:56,682 --> 00:13:57,042</time>
<s>那个学生</s>
<time>404_00:13:57,402 --> 00:13:58,842</time>
<s>你说餐巾纸他啪给你一打</s>
<time>405_00:13:59,202 --> 00:14:00,282</time>
<s>他从来没有这么想过这个事</s>
<time>406_00:14:00,642 --> 00:14:01,002</time>
<s>确实</s>
<time>407_00:14:01,722 --> 00:14:04,242</time>
<s>所以这样一个生活</s>
<time>408_00:14:04,602 --> 00:14:06,402</time>
<s>童年少年生活感受</s>
<time>409_00:14:06,762 --> 00:14:07,482</time>
<s>养成了你对生活的</s>
<time>410_00:14:07,842 --> 00:14:08,202</time>
<s>那个说</s>
<time>411_00:14:08,562 --> 00:14:10,002</time>
<s>基本生存标准</s>
<time>412_00:14:10,362 --> 00:14:11,442</time>
<s>和我们那时候是不一样的</s>
<time>413_00:14:11,802 --> 00:14:12,882</time>
<s>生活的需求的压力</s>
<time>414_00:14:14,322 --> 00:14:16,482</time>
<s>就在你的感受上增长了</s>
<time>415_00:14:16,842 --> 00:14:18,282</time>
<s>其实你在客观的</s>
<time>416_00:14:18,642 --> 00:14:19,362</time>
<s>可能生物需求上</s>
<time>417_00:14:19,722 --> 00:14:20,082</time>
<s>你更容易满足</s>
<time>418_00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:21,162</time>
<s>其实非常容易满足</s>
<time>419_00:14:23,322 --> 00:14:23,682</time>
<s>他遇到了一个问题</s>
<time>420_00:14:24,042 --> 00:14:25,842</time>
<s>就是这个需求增长了</s>
<time>421_00:14:26,562 --> 00:14:29,082</time>
<s>但是满足这个需求的供应方</s>
<time>422_00:14:29,442 --> 00:14:30,522</time>
<s>好的他认为体面的</s>
<time>423_00:14:31,242 --> 00:14:32,322</time>
<s>达到那个生存标准</s>
<time>424_00:14:32,682 --> 00:14:33,762</time>
<s>供应方又不够</s>
<time>425_00:14:34,122 --> 00:14:35,562</time>
<s>然后这个落差如果能解决</s>
<time>426_00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:38,082</time>
<s>就有一段时间认为是</s>
<time>427_00:14:38,442 --> 00:14:39,162</time>
<s>能解决的就是说</s>
<time>428_00:14:39,522 --> 00:14:41,682</time>
<s>你这个焦虑是通过你增长知识</s>
<time>429_00:14:42,042 --> 00:14:42,762</time>
<s>你努力</s>
<time>430_00:14:43,842 --> 00:14:44,922</time>
<s>你去进修（能解决）</s>
<time>431_00:14:46,722 --> 00:14:47,442</time>
<s>这个时期大概很短暂</s>
<time>432_00:14:47,802 --> 00:14:49,962</time>
<s>我觉得三年四年</s>
<time>433_00:14:50,322 --> 00:14:51,042</time>
<s>然后发现你再怎么努力</s>
<time>434_00:14:51,402 --> 00:14:52,842</time>
<s>因为它是个结构性的问题</s>
<time>435_00:14:53,202 --> 00:14:53,922</time>
<s>就是经济如果是</s>
<time>436_00:14:54,282 --> 00:14:55,722</time>
<s>比较平缓的增长的话</s>
<time>437_00:14:56,082 --> 00:14:57,522</time>
<s>它能容纳的那个社会流动空间</s>
<time>438_00:14:57,882 --> 00:14:58,242</time>
<s>就这么大</s>
