<time>439_00:14:59,322 --> 00:15:00,762</time>
<s>然后就沮丧</s>
<time>440_00:15:01,122 --> 00:15:01,842</time>
<s>沮丧里面就会有</s>
<time>441_00:15:02,562 --> 00:15:02,922</time>
<s>躺平之类的</s>
<time>442_00:15:03,282 --> 00:15:03,642</time>
<s>诸如此类的</s>
<time>443_00:15:04,722 --> 00:15:05,802</time>
<s>然后就会想这些</s>
<time>444_00:15:06,882 --> 00:15:07,962</time>
<s>比较形而上的问题</s>
<time>445_00:15:08,322 --> 00:15:09,762</time>
<s>就哲学的需求就出来了</s>
<time>446_00:15:10,842 --> 00:15:13,362</time>
<s>但这个东西会产生一个新的</s>
<time>447_00:15:14,442 --> 00:15:16,602</time>
<s>比如说思想意义的时代吗</s>
<time>448_00:15:16,962 --> 00:15:18,402</time>
<s>当这个不满积郁更多的时候</s>
<time>449_00:15:18,762 --> 00:15:19,122</time>
<s>或者之前的轨道</s>
<time>450_00:15:19,482 --> 00:15:20,562</time>
<s>已经要错位的时候</s>
<time>451_00:15:20,922 --> 00:15:22,002</time>
<s>不知道我现在也在观察</s>
<time>452_00:15:22,362 --> 00:15:23,802</time>
<s>我体会到是说</s>
<time>453_00:15:24,882 --> 00:15:26,322</time>
<s>他们有一个很强的</s>
<time>454_00:15:28,482 --> 00:15:29,922</time>
<s>愿望或者倾向是要</s>
<time>455_00:15:31,002 --> 00:15:32,802</time>
<s>重新获得</s>
<time>456_00:15:33,162 --> 00:15:34,962</time>
<s>对自己生活的掌控感</s>
<time>457_00:15:35,322 --> 00:15:36,042</time>
<s>比如说他们调查统计（过）</s>
<time>458_00:15:36,402 --> 00:15:37,122</time>
<s>就九五后零零后</s>
<time>459_00:15:37,482 --> 00:15:37,842</time>
<s>不喜欢团建</s>
<time>460_00:15:38,202 --> 00:15:38,922</time>
<s>你去上班</s>
<time>461_00:15:39,282 --> 00:15:40,722</time>
<s>就是你别烦我</s>
<time>462_00:15:41,082 --> 00:15:42,162</time>
<s>然后什么团建团队</s>
<time>463_00:15:42,522 --> 00:15:43,242</time>
<s>你说保守主义</s>
<time>464_00:15:43,602 --> 00:15:44,682</time>
<s>我们应该讲团队对不对</s>
<time>465_00:15:45,042 --> 00:15:45,402</time>
<s>共同体建设</s>
<time>466_00:15:45,762 --> 00:15:47,202</time>
<s>我们团建然后大家增加感情</s>
<time>467_00:15:47,922 --> 00:15:48,282</time>
<s>别</s>
<time>468_00:15:49,722 --> 00:15:50,442</time>
<s>我就愿意一个人待着</s>
<time>469_00:15:50,802 --> 00:15:51,522</time>
<s>我懒着也可以</s>
<time>470_00:15:51,882 --> 00:15:52,962</time>
<s>我躺在那儿也可以</s>
<time>471_00:15:53,322 --> 00:15:55,482</time>
<s>然后我跟我的宠物共处也可以</s>
<time>472_00:15:56,562 --> 00:15:57,282</time>
<s>因为在这个世界里</s>
<time>473_00:15:59,082 --> 00:16:00,522</time>
<s>我自己是能完全把控的</s>
<time>474_00:16:00,882 --> 00:16:03,042</time>
<s>这使我获得了一点安定感</s>
<time>475_00:16:03,402 --> 00:16:04,482</time>
<s>然后我感到</s>
<time>476_00:16:05,562 --> 00:16:07,362</time>
<s>我的存在是真实的是持续的</s>
<time>477_00:16:07,722 --> 00:16:08,802</time>
<s>这样他好像可以讲出一个</s>
<time>478_00:16:09,162 --> 00:16:10,602</time>
<s>关于自我的故事</s>
<time>479_00:16:10,962 --> 00:16:12,762</time>
<s>然后我需要我的那个小空间</s>
<time>480_00:16:13,122 --> 00:16:14,562</time>
<s>是可掌握的</s>
<time>481_00:16:14,922 --> 00:16:15,642</time>
<s>是可预测的</s>
<time>482_00:16:16,002 --> 00:16:17,442</time>
<s>然后自己在里面享有自由</s>
<time>483_00:16:18,882 --> 00:16:19,962</time>
<s>对这种控制欲</s>
<time>484_00:16:21,042 --> 00:16:21,762</time>
<s>就某种意义上可能意味着</s>
<time>485_00:16:22,122 --> 00:16:22,842</time>
<s>他们是觉得自己生活在一个</s>
<time>486_00:16:23,202 --> 00:16:23,922</time>
<s>更加异化的世界</s>
<time>487_00:16:24,282 --> 00:16:26,082</time>
<s>这就是柏林讲的消极自由</s>
<time>488_00:16:26,442 --> 00:16:27,882</time>
<s>这个是一个有意思的变化</s>
<time>489_00:16:28,242 --> 00:16:28,962</time>
<s>你说它</s>
<time>490_00:16:30,042 --> 00:16:31,842</time>
<s>也不是激进也不是保守</s>
<time>491_00:16:32,202 --> 00:16:32,562</time>
<s>然后你会感到</s>
<time>492_00:16:32,922 --> 00:16:34,002</time>
<s>当下一直是处在一个</s>
<time>493_00:16:35,082 --> 00:16:35,442</time>
<s>待定的</s>
<time>494_00:16:35,802 --> 00:16:36,162</time>
<s>转折的</s>
<time>495_00:16:36,522 --> 00:16:37,602</time>
<s>但是往哪儿走你不知道</s>
<time>496_00:16:39,402 --> 00:16:40,122</time>
<s>然后你会发现</s>
<time>497_00:16:40,482 --> 00:16:41,922</time>
<s>突然整个经济环境</s>
<time>498_00:16:42,282 --> 00:16:43,362</time>
<s>中美关系</s>
<time>499_00:16:43,722 --> 00:16:46,242</time>
<s>影响你命运的要素变量</s>
<time>500_00:16:46,602 --> 00:16:47,322</time>
<s>越来越多</s>
<time>501_00:16:48,402 --> 00:16:50,562</time>
<s>有些是你根本无从</s>
<time>502_00:16:51,642 --> 00:16:52,362</time>
<s>理解的</s>
<time>503_00:16:53,082 --> 00:16:54,162</time>
<s>更不用说把握它</s>
<time>504_00:16:54,882 --> 00:16:55,602</time>
<s>它是远方的</s>
<time>505_00:16:55,962 --> 00:16:57,042</time>
<s>它未经你同意</s>
<time>506_00:16:57,762 --> 00:16:58,842</time>
<s>就支配了你</s>
<time>507_00:16:59,562 --> 00:17:00,282</time>
<s>影响了你</s>
<time>508_00:17:00,642 --> 00:17:01,002</time>
<s>所以我也可以叫做</s>
<time>509_00:17:01,362 --> 00:17:01,722</time>
<s>远方的暴政</s>
<time>510_00:17:02,802 --> 00:17:03,882</time>
<s>每个人都多多少少有种</s>
<time>511_00:17:04,242 --> 00:17:04,962</time>
<s>失控感</s>
<time>512_00:17:05,321 --> 00:17:06,042</time>
<s>一定是需要一个</s>
<time>513_00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:08,562</time>
<s>全球性的治理才能解决</s>
<time>514_00:17:09,642 --> 00:17:11,802</time>
<s>就是你必须有一个视角是说</s>
<time>515_00:17:12,522 --> 00:17:13,602</time>
<s>就像我们在</s>
<time>516_00:17:13,962 --> 00:17:15,042</time>
<s>我们在这不能考虑说</s>
<time>517_00:17:15,401 --> 00:17:16,482</time>
<s>上海我们上海人怎么样</s>
<time>518_00:17:16,842 --> 00:17:17,922</time>
<s>我们江苏人</s>
<time>519_00:17:18,282 --> 00:17:19,362</time>
<s>我们辽宁人怎么样</s>
<time>520_00:17:19,722 --> 00:17:20,802</time>
<s>就是我们中国</s>
<time>521_00:17:21,161 --> 00:17:21,522</time>
<s>那么你再进一步</s>
<time>522_00:17:21,882 --> 00:17:22,962</time>
<s>你可能就考虑我们</s>
<time>523_00:17:23,321 --> 00:17:24,762</time>
<s>我们地球我们人类</s>
<time>524_00:17:25,842 --> 00:17:26,202</time>
<s>你必须要有一个</s>
<time>525_00:17:26,562 --> 00:17:27,282</time>
<s>人类内部的视角</s>
<time>526_00:17:27,641 --> 00:17:28,362</time>
<s>来看这些事情</s>
<time>527_00:17:28,722 --> 00:17:30,882</time>
<s>然后要想它的结构怎么办</s>
<time>528_00:17:31,241 --> 00:17:31,602</time>
<s>以前有联合国</s>
<time>529_00:17:31,962 --> 00:17:32,681</time>
<s>这些都是机制</s>
<time>530_00:17:33,041 --> 00:17:35,202</time>
<s>也不是完全真正的丛林世界</s>
<time>531_00:17:35,922 --> 00:17:37,002</time>
<s>但是还不够</s>
<time>532_00:17:37,362 --> 00:17:37,722</time>
<s>对于一个</s>
<time>533_00:17:38,082 --> 00:17:40,242</time>
<s>这么紧密相互依赖的世界</s>
<time>534_00:17:40,602 --> 00:17:42,042</time>
<s>对于那么多远方的变量</s>
<time>535_00:17:42,402 --> 00:17:44,562</time>
<s>可以影响每个人命运的时代</s>
<time>536_00:17:44,922 --> 00:17:46,002</time>
<s>这远远不够</s>
<time>537_00:17:46,362 --> 00:17:48,162</time>
<s>所以我们需要的一个世界秩序</s>
<time>538_00:17:48,521 --> 00:17:49,602</time>
<s>和我们每个人现在的这个</s>
<time>539_00:17:49,962 --> 00:17:51,041</time>
<s>不安</s>
<time>540_00:17:51,401 --> 00:17:53,562</time>
<s>未决过渡状态</s>
<time>541_00:17:53,922 --> 00:17:55,721</time>
<s>它形成一个特别强的反差</s>
<time>542_00:17:56,081 --> 00:17:57,522</time>
<s>您说存在这么一个更高的</s>
<time>543_00:17:57,882 --> 00:17:58,962</time>
<s>世界性的秩序吗</s>
<time>544_00:17:59,682 --> 00:18:00,401</time>
<s>不知道</s>
<time>545_00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:01,482</time>
<s>这是不是一个</s>
<time>546_00:18:01,842 --> 00:18:03,642</time>
<s>我们自我安慰的一种方式</s>
<time>547_00:18:09,042 --> 00:18:10,842</time>
<s>我后来也有一点探测</s>
<time>548_00:18:11,201 --> 00:18:12,282</time>
<s>我说你们当时真的是</s>
<time>549_00:18:13,722 --> 00:18:14,442</time>
<s>那么（理想主义）</s>
<time>550_00:18:15,522 --> 00:18:17,322</time>
<s>其实我觉得他们有一点负担</s>
<time>551_00:18:17,682 --> 00:18:19,842</time>
<s>是因为家庭出身不那么好</s>
<time>552_00:18:22,361 --> 00:18:24,522</time>
<s>我母亲特别是</s>
<time>553_00:18:24,882 --> 00:18:25,962</time>
<s>住在茂名路</s>
<time>554_00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:27,762</time>
<s>淮海路那种地方洋房里</s>
<time>555_00:18:28,842 --> 00:18:29,562</time>
<s>所以他们要用自己的革命行动</s>
<time>556_00:18:29,921 --> 00:18:31,002</time>
<s>来洗刷自己</s>
<time>557_00:18:31,362 --> 00:18:34,242</time>
<s>更要表现得革命才会</s>
<time>558_00:18:34,962 --> 00:18:35,682</time>
<s>身份的焦灼</s>
<time>559_00:18:36,042 --> 00:18:37,481</time>
<s>我觉得是有这个</s>
<time>560_00:18:37,842 --> 00:18:39,642</time>
<s>我妈妈她是上海广播合唱团的</s>
<time>561_00:18:40,002 --> 00:18:41,082</time>
<s>她唱女高音部的</s>
<time>562_00:18:41,442 --> 00:18:42,882</time>
<s>她就去了</s>
<time>563_00:18:43,242 --> 00:18:44,682</time>
<s>西宁师范学院做音乐老师</s>
<time>564_00:18:45,042 --> 00:18:46,482</time>
<s>我们家就住在那个学校里</s>
<time>565_00:18:46,842 --> 00:18:47,562</time>
<s>那时候家属楼</s>
<time>566_00:18:47,922 --> 00:18:49,002</time>
<s>是在学校里面的</s>
<time>567_00:18:49,362 --> 00:18:50,802</time>
<s>那周围都是老师</s>
<time>568_00:18:52,602 --> 00:18:54,762</time>
<s>有中科院的北航的</s>
<time>569_00:18:55,122 --> 00:18:56,202</time>
<s>他们都是支援边疆去的</s>
<time>570_00:18:56,561 --> 00:18:56,922</time>
<s>有的是支援</s>
<time>571_00:18:57,282 --> 00:18:58,002</time>
<s>后来我知道了</s>
<time>572_00:18:58,361 --> 00:18:59,082</time>
<s>其实有一些是右派</s>
<time>573_00:18:59,442 --> 00:19:00,882</time>
<s>就等于发配过去了</s>
<time>574_00:19:01,242 --> 00:19:01,962</time>
<s>我开始不能分辩</s>
<time>575_00:19:02,322 --> 00:19:03,402</time>
<s>就是有些人特别谦卑</s>
<time>576_00:19:04,122 --> 00:19:04,842</time>
<s>爸爸妈妈说你别问</s>
<time>577_00:19:05,202 --> 00:19:06,282</time>
<s>你小孩子不懂这些事情</s>
<time>578_00:19:08,802 --> 00:19:09,522</time>
<s>楼上有一个老师</s>
<time>579_00:19:10,962 --> 00:19:13,482</time>
<s>有一天晚上就非常大声</s>
<time>580_00:19:13,842 --> 00:19:15,282</time>
<s>我就偷听去他门口</s>
<time>581_00:19:16,002 --> 00:19:16,722</time>
<s>后来他打开门</s>
<time>582_00:19:17,082 --> 00:19:18,161</time>
<s>看着我我说你在干什么</s>
<time>583_00:19:18,522 --> 00:19:19,602</time>
<s>他说是要朗诵</s>
<time>584_00:19:19,962 --> 00:19:21,041</time>
<s>我说这是写的什么</s>
<time>585_00:19:21,401 --> 00:19:23,202</time>
<s>这是马雅可夫斯基的诗</s>
<time>586_00:19:24,282 --> 00:19:24,641</time>
<s>我觉得好酷</s>
<time>587_00:19:25,002 --> 00:19:26,082</time>
<s>这个马雅可夫斯基就是</s>
<time>588_00:19:26,802 --> 00:19:27,162</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>589_00:19:27,522 --> 00:19:29,682</time>
<s>他说中国有一个诗人叫贺敬之</s>
<time>590_00:19:30,042 --> 00:19:32,562</time>
<s>就是跟着他的风格学的</s>
<time>591_00:19:32,922 --> 00:19:34,362</time>
<s>后来有一天广播里</s>
<time>592_00:19:35,082 --> 00:19:36,162</time>
<s>我听到贺敬之的诗叫</s>
<time>593_00:19:36,522 --> 00:19:37,242</time>
<s>《雷锋之歌》</s>
<time>594_00:19:38,322 --> 00:19:39,762</time>
<s>这一上来</s>
<time>595_00:19:40,482 --> 00:19:43,002</time>
<s>假如我还不曾在人世上出生</s>
<time>596_00:19:43,722 --> 00:19:44,802</time>
<s>就在哪里才能开始</s>
<time>597_00:19:45,162 --> 00:19:46,601</time>
<s>就是有存在论的那个东西</s>
<time>598_00:19:47,682 --> 00:19:50,202</time>
<s>那是第一次我被诗歌打动</s>
<time>599_00:19:52,362 --> 00:19:52,722</time>
<s>其实对他们来说</s>
<time>600_00:19:53,081 --> 00:19:53,802</time>
<s>那是流放地</s>
<time>601_00:19:54,882 --> 00:19:56,322</time>
<s>他们像是一群被流放的人</s>
<time>602_00:19:56,682 --> 00:19:58,121</time>
<s>但他们不知道这个时代</s>
<time>603_00:19:58,482 --> 00:19:59,562</time>
<s>什么时候会结束</s>
<time>604_00:20:00,642 --> 00:20:01,722</time>
<s>这个经历其实</s>
<time>605_00:20:02,442 --> 00:20:03,522</time>
<s>影响我非常大</s>
<time>606_00:20:05,322 --> 00:20:06,041</time>
<s>现实生活世界</s>
<time>607_00:20:06,402 --> 00:20:06,762</time>
<s>它是有背景的</s>
<time>608_00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:08,202</time>
<s>那些背景</s>
<time>609_00:20:08,922 --> 00:20:09,642</time>
<s>你没有完全的概念</s>
<time>610_00:20:10,002 --> 00:20:11,082</time>
<s>你是没有把握的</s>
<time>611_00:20:11,442 --> 00:20:11,802</time>
<s>你不能把握它</s>
<time>612_00:20:12,162 --> 00:20:13,242</time>
<s>但你只有概念</s>
<time>613_00:20:14,682 --> 00:20:16,482</time>
<s>你有一个跟这个现实世界的</s>
<time>614_00:20:16,842 --> 00:20:17,202</time>
<s>不接</s>
<time>615_00:20:17,922 --> 00:20:19,362</time>
<s>所以到了上海以后</s>
<time>616_00:20:20,802 --> 00:20:22,242</time>
<s>一直不是特别喜欢自已的专业</s>
<time>617_00:20:22,602 --> 00:20:23,682</time>
<s>但我专业还读得蛮好</s>
<time>618_00:20:24,042 --> 00:20:25,482</time>
<s>本科毕业的时候就是专业</s>
<time>619_00:20:25,842 --> 00:20:26,922</time>
<s>分数是第一</s>
<time>620_00:20:27,282 --> 00:20:28,361</time>
<s>然后就读了研究生</s>
<time>621_00:20:28,722 --> 00:20:29,802</time>
<s>但一方面一直是在</s>
<time>622_00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:33,042</time>
<s>作家话剧戏剧演讲</s>
<time>623_00:20:33,402 --> 00:20:35,922</time>
<s>这些圈子里</s>
<time>624_00:20:36,282 --> 00:20:37,361</time>
<s>在寻找自己的那个热情</s>
<time>625_00:20:37,722 --> 00:20:38,802</time>
<s>就没被满足那一面</s>
<time>626_00:20:40,601 --> 00:20:41,322</time>
<s>你现在回忆起来</s>
<time>627_00:20:41,682 --> 00:20:42,762</time>
<s>回到上海上学</s>
<time>628_00:20:43,122 --> 00:20:44,202</time>
<s>当时因为正是气氛</s>
<time>629_00:20:44,561 --> 00:20:45,282</time>
<s>变化非常之大</s>
<time>630_00:20:45,641 --> 00:20:47,082</time>
<s>比如十几岁小朋友很敏感</s>
<time>631_00:20:47,442 --> 00:20:47,802</time>
<s>对这个变化</s>
<time>632_00:20:48,161 --> 00:20:48,882</time>
<s>非常非常敏感</s>
<time>633_00:20:50,322 --> 00:20:51,762</time>
<s>我不知道你看到过那种</s>
<time>634_00:20:52,122 --> 00:20:54,282</time>
<s>用高速摄影机拍的花绽放</s>
<time>635_00:20:55,002 --> 00:20:56,082</time>
<s>就是在一两年内</s>
<time>636_00:20:56,441 --> 00:20:58,602</time>
<s>看到人的衣着就开始变化</s>
<time>637_00:20:58,962 --> 00:20:59,322</time>
<s>以前都是蓝的</s>
<time>638_00:20:59,682 --> 00:21:00,402</time>
<s>都蓝麻</s>
<time>639_00:21:00,762 --> 00:21:02,202</time>
<s>那上海人有的时候会</s>
<time>640_00:21:02,562 --> 00:21:04,362</time>
<s>用一个小围巾修饰</s>
<time>641_00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:06,162</time>
<s>有的时候口袋里放一块手帕</s>
<time>642_00:21:06,522 --> 00:21:08,321</time>
<s>这种比较精致的那种生活</s>
<time>643_00:21:08,682 --> 00:21:09,401</time>
<s>到后来就越来越</s>
<time>644_00:21:09,762 --> 00:21:11,202</time>
<s>所谓洋气就开始出来了</s>
<time>645_00:21:11,922 --> 00:21:13,002</time>
<s>学校里那时候</s>
<time>646_00:21:14,442 --> 00:21:15,522</time>
<s>哪怕是一个理工科学校</s>
<time>647_00:21:15,882 --> 00:21:17,682</time>
<s>那时候也各种各样讲座</s>
<time>648_00:21:18,041 --> 00:21:18,762</time>
<s>讨论会</s>
<time>649_00:21:19,122 --> 00:21:20,562</time>
<s>有一个公共领域是</s>
<time>650_00:21:22,002 --> 00:21:22,722</time>
<s>那时候特别饱满</s>
<time>651_00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:26,321</time>
<s>我找到一个东西给你</s>
<time>652_00:21:28,122 --> 00:21:30,282</time>
<s>《上海戏剧》第几期</s>
<time>653_00:21:31,722 --> 00:21:32,442</time>
<s>这一期</s>
<time>654_00:21:33,522 --> 00:21:34,242</time>
<s>你们四个人的发言</s>
<time>655_00:21:35,322 --> 00:21:36,042</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>656_00:21:37,122 --> 00:21:38,202</time>
<s>《我们实验了什么》</s>
<time>657_00:21:38,922 --> 00:21:41,082</time>
<s>1987年2月</s>
<time>658_00:21:47,202 --> 00:21:47,922</time>
<s>他已经去世了</s>
<time>659_00:21:49,002 --> 00:21:49,361</time>
<s>他是</s>
<time>660_00:21:51,162 --> 00:21:51,882</time>
<s>开始在光线传媒</s>
<time>661_00:21:52,242 --> 00:21:52,962</time>
<s>后来是到了乐视</s>
<time>662_00:21:53,682 --> 00:21:54,762</time>
<s>后来乐视你知道很糟糕</s>
<time>663_00:21:55,122 --> 00:21:55,482</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>664_00:21:56,202 --> 00:21:56,922</time>
<s>他去了乐视</s>
<time>665_00:21:57,282 --> 00:21:58,002</time>
<s>那这个谁</s>
<time>666_00:21:58,362 --> 00:22:01,602</time>
<s>他是在上海他在电视台</s>
<time>667_00:22:03,042 --> 00:22:03,762</time>
<s>他是</s>
<time>668_00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:05,202</time>
<s>特别有意思在北京</s>
<time>669_00:22:09,522 --> 00:22:10,962</time>
<s>就参加《中国不高兴》</s>
<time>670_00:22:11,322 --> 00:22:12,042</time>
<s>那帮人里面的</s>
<time>671_00:22:13,122 --> 00:22:13,482</time>
<s>真的</s>
<time>672_00:22:15,641 --> 00:22:16,002</time>
<s>有的时候</s>
<time>673_00:22:16,362 --> 00:22:18,522</time>
<s>以前有一个电影叫《大浪淘沙》</s>
<time>674_00:22:18,882 --> 00:22:20,682</time>
<s>是讲五四那代人四个人</s>
<time>675_00:22:21,042 --> 00:22:22,842</time>
<s>最后大家走了各种不同的道路</s>
<time>676_00:22:23,202 --> 00:22:23,921</time>
<s>有点像那种感觉</s>
<time>677_00:22:26,802 --> 00:22:29,682</time>
<s>我会对艺术的东西有兴趣</s>
<time>678_00:22:30,402 --> 00:22:30,762</time>
<s>但是也对</s>
<time>679_00:22:31,842 --> 00:22:34,362</time>
<s>也对就是说你怎么样很深的</s>
<time>680_00:22:34,722 --> 00:22:35,442</time>
<s>用理性论述</s>
<time>681_00:22:35,802 --> 00:22:36,522</time>
<s>理性探索</s>
<time>682_00:22:36,882 --> 00:22:38,681</time>
<s>找到好像比较深的</s>
<time>683_00:22:39,041 --> 00:22:39,762</time>
<s>那个学术也有（兴趣）</s>
<time>684_00:22:40,122 --> 00:22:42,642</time>
<s>所以一直是仿何</s>
<time>685_00:22:43,721 --> 00:22:45,882</time>
<s>激动有的时候焦虑迷范</s>
<time>686_00:22:46,242 --> 00:22:46,602</time>
<s>都是这样的</s>
<time>687_00:22:47,322 --> 00:22:49,122</time>
<s>最后觉得我们这一代人</s>
<time>688_00:22:49,482 --> 00:22:49,842</time>
<s>就是整个</s>
<time>689_00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:53,442</time>
<s>你说从文革结束1976年</s>
<time>690_00:22:53,802 --> 00:22:54,882</time>
<s>改革开放启动</s>
<time>691_00:22:55,242 --> 00:22:56,322</time>
<s>整个生涯就是中国</s>
<time>692_00:22:56,682 --> 00:22:57,762</time>
<s>这后四十多年的历史</s>
<time>693_00:22:58,842 --> 00:23:01,361</time>
<s>就是你要穷究这些事情</s>
<time>694_00:23:01,722 --> 00:23:02,442</time>
<s>就会问为什么</s>
<time>695_00:23:03,522 --> 00:23:04,601</time>
<s>后来我觉得是一定要</s>
<time>696_00:23:04,962 --> 00:23:06,402</time>
<s>把它搞清楚</s>
<time>697_00:23:06,762 --> 00:23:07,841</time>
<s>你也知道学术训练</s>
<time>698_00:23:08,202 --> 00:23:09,642</time>
<s>它是帮你进入一个正轨的</s>
<time>699_00:23:10,002 --> 00:23:11,802</time>
<s>所谓你有一个眼光</s>
<time>700_00:23:12,162 --> 00:23:12,522</time>
<s>有一个判断</s>
<time>701_00:23:12,882 --> 00:23:14,322</time>
<s>但在很多领域里</s>
<time>702_00:23:14,682 --> 00:23:15,042</time>
<s>你需要不断学习</s>
<time>703_00:23:23,322 --> 00:23:24,402</time>
<s>1996年第一次回来</s>
<time>704_00:23:24,762 --> 00:23:26,202</time>
<s>是因为又发生了</s>
<time>705_00:23:26,561 --> 00:23:28,362</time>
<s>这五年又发生挺大的变化的</s>
<time>706_00:23:28,722 --> 00:23:31,242</time>
<s>整个的气氛人的反应</s>
<time>707_00:23:31,602 --> 00:23:33,042</time>
<s>过去的朋友们的选择</s>
<time>708_00:23:33,402 --> 00:23:35,202</time>
<s>那时候有一点</s>
<time>709_00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:37,722</time>
<s>第二次回来的时候</s>
<time>710_00:23:38,081 --> 00:23:39,882</time>
<s>大概1999年</s>
<time>711_00:23:40,602 --> 00:23:41,681</time>
<s>那时候有互联网了</s>
<time>712_00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:42,762</time>
<s>我还写文章</s>
<time>713_00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:44,202</time>
<s>然后就发现有各种各样</s>
<time>714_00:23:44,562 --> 00:23:46,002</time>
<s>不同的讨论</s>
<time>715_00:23:46,362 --> 00:23:47,082</time>
<s>好像就是那个</s>
<time>716_00:23:47,442 --> 00:23:49,602</time>
<s>所谓八十年代的启蒙共识</s>
<time>717_00:23:49,962 --> 00:23:51,042</time>
<s>就在那个时候终结了</s>
<time>718_00:23:51,401 --> 00:23:52,842</time>
<s>或者慢慢就衰落了</s>
<time>719_00:23:53,202 --> 00:23:54,282</time>
<s>然后这也是很好的事情</s>
<time>720_00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:55,002</time>
<s>就是说</s>
<time>721_00:23:55,362 --> 00:23:56,442</time>
<s>其实</s>
<time>722_00:23:58,241 --> 00:23:59,682</time>
<s>我记得在八十年代那时候</s>
<time>723_00:24:00,042 --> 00:24:01,481</time>
<s>编的那个《文化：中国与世界》</s>
<time>724_00:24:01,842 --> 00:24:03,282</time>
<s>像海德格尔</s>
<time>725_00:24:03,642 --> 00:24:04,361</time>
<s>像马尔库塞那些</s>
<time>726_00:24:04,722 --> 00:24:06,522</time>
<s>其实已经在对现代性有反思了</s>
<time>727_00:24:07,962 --> 00:24:09,042</time>
<s>但是那时候好像很超前</s>
<time>728_00:24:09,402 --> 00:24:11,202</time>
<s>就是跟我们是没感觉的</s>
<time>729_00:24:11,561 --> 00:24:12,642</time>
<s>因为我们好像还在贫当中</s>
<time>730_00:24:13,002 --> 00:24:13,361</time>
<s>还消费主义</s>
<time>731_00:24:13,722 --> 00:24:15,162</time>
<s>哪来的消费主义</s>
<time>732_00:24:15,522 --> 00:24:15,882</time>
<s>就是我发现我那时候</s>
<time>733_00:24:16,242 --> 00:24:17,682</time>
<s>读那个马尔库塞</s>
<time>734_00:24:18,042 --> 00:24:19,122</time>
<s>什么《单面人》</s>
<time>735_00:24:19,842 --> 00:24:20,922</time>
<s>就觉得很精致</s>
<time>736_00:24:21,282 --> 00:24:22,362</time>
<s>但是根本跟自己没关系</s>
<time>737_00:24:23,082 --> 00:24:23,802</time>
<s>现在跟孩子</s>
<time>738_00:24:24,162 --> 00:24:25,242</time>
<s>我是在课上讲</s>
<time>739_00:24:25,602 --> 00:24:26,682</time>
<s>你就是有切肤之痛的</s>
<time>740_00:24:27,042 --> 00:24:27,762</time>
<s>你就真是有感觉</s>
<time>741_00:24:28,121 --> 00:24:31,362</time>
<s>所以就中国其实在一个</s>
<time>742_00:24:32,082 --> 00:24:33,162</time>
<s>在一个很强的意义上</s>
<time>743_00:24:33,522 --> 00:24:34,602</time>
<s>进入了一个现代</s>
<time>744_00:24:35,681 --> 00:24:37,482</time>
<s>这种浓缩感</s>
<time>745_00:24:37,842 --> 00:24:38,922</time>
<s>就生活经验的浓缩感</s>
<time>746_00:24:39,282 --> 00:24:39,642</time>
<s>历史经验浓缩感</s>
<time>747_00:24:40,002 --> 00:24:41,082</time>
<s>其实在全世界范围里面</s>
<time>748_00:24:41,442 --> 00:24:42,522</time>
<s>都是很罕见的</s>
<time>749_00:24:43,242 --> 00:24:43,602</time>
<s>或者你什么时候意识到</s>
<time>750_00:24:43,962 --> 00:24:45,402</time>
<s>这种罕见的经验</s>
<time>751_00:24:45,762 --> 00:24:46,842</time>
<s>可能是这代人</s>
<time>752_00:24:47,202 --> 00:24:47,562</time>
<s>做学术也好</s>
<time>753_00:24:47,921 --> 00:24:49,002</time>
<s>或者做不同的行业也好</s>
<time>754_00:24:49,362 --> 00:24:51,162</time>
<s>可能是很大的一个优势</s>
<time>755_00:24:51,882 --> 00:24:53,322</time>
<s>因为之前可能都认为是劣势</s>
<time>756_00:24:53,682 --> 00:24:54,762</time>
<s>因为你觉得受的教育不够</s>
<time>757_00:24:55,122 --> 00:24:55,482</time>
<s>匮乏</s>
<time>758_00:24:56,202 --> 00:24:57,282</time>
<s>什么时候觉得这种东西</s>
<time>759_00:24:57,642 --> 00:24:58,002</time>
<s>我觉得可能是形成</s>
<time>760_00:24:58,362 --> 00:24:59,082</time>
<s>问题意识</s>
<time>761_00:25:00,162 --> 00:25:01,602</time>
<s>会关心很宏大的问题</s>
<time>762_00:25:03,042 --> 00:25:04,122</time>
<s>我们现在叫具身认知</s>
<time>763_00:25:04,482 --> 00:25:05,202</time>
<s>那种亲身感受</s>
<time>764_00:25:05,562 --> 00:25:08,082</time>
<s>还是更容易让你获得历史感</s>
<time>765_00:25:08,442 --> 00:25:09,522</time>
<s>获得历史感其实是</s>
<time>766_00:25:09,882 --> 00:25:10,602</time>
<s>比较的视野</s>
<time>767_00:25:10,962 --> 00:25:12,402</time>
<s>比较就是有时间上的</s>
<time>768_00:25:12,762 --> 00:25:13,482</time>
<s>和空间上的</s>
<time>769_00:25:13,842 --> 00:25:14,562</time>
<s>其实没有比较</s>
<time>770_00:25:14,922 --> 00:25:16,002</time>
<s>是没有任何视野的</s>
<time>771_00:25:16,362 --> 00:25:18,522</time>
<s>我们大概就经历了这个时空的</s>
<time>772_00:25:18,882 --> 00:25:20,682</time>
<s>那种比较看到那种变化</s>
<time>773_00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:22,122</time>
<s>也看到一个时代它的</s>
<time>774_00:25:22,482 --> 00:25:24,282</time>
<s>特定性的相对性</s>
<time>775_00:25:25,362 --> 00:25:26,442</time>
<s>因为你经过变迁以后</s>
<time>776_00:25:26,802 --> 00:25:28,242</time>
<s>你就不会想当然说</s>
<time>777_00:25:28,602 --> 00:25:29,682</time>
<s>这个东西它就会永远下去</s>
<time>778_00:25:30,042 --> 00:25:30,762</time>
<s>都想当然的</s>
<time>779_00:25:31,482 --> 00:25:32,562</time>
<s>所以说像我们这一代</s>
<time>780_00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:33,642</time>
<s>包括你们七零后</s>
<time>781_00:25:34,002 --> 00:25:35,082</time>
<s>甚至八零后的早期</s>
<time>782_00:25:35,442 --> 00:25:36,882</time>
<s>你们是享受那个改革开放</s>
<time>783_00:25:37,242 --> 00:25:37,962</time>
<s>特别快的那个红利的</s>
<time>784_00:25:39,042 --> 00:25:40,842</time>
<s>就说我们老人这些</s>
<time>785_00:25:41,562 --> 00:25:42,282</time>
<s>而且稀里糊涂就享受到了</s>
<time>786_00:25:42,642 --> 00:25:43,002</time>
<s>不知道为什么</s>
<time>787_00:25:43,362 --> 00:25:44,442</time>
<s>因为一下子就是空间特别大</s>
<time>788_00:25:44,802 --> 00:25:45,162</time>
<s>然后</s>
<time>789_00:25:45,522 --> 00:25:47,682</time>
<s>你向上流动就可能性</s>
<time>790_00:25:48,042 --> 00:25:49,482</time>
<s>他们现在就更难一点</s>
<time>791_00:25:49,842 --> 00:25:51,282</time>
<s>那时候励志的那些口号</s>
<time>792_00:25:51,642 --> 00:25:53,082</time>
<s>你只要努力就会成功</s>
<time>793_00:25:53,442 --> 00:25:54,882</time>
<s>就更大概率可以实现</s>
<time>794_00:25:55,242 --> 00:25:56,682</time>
<s>现在更大概率是变成一个</s>
<time>795_00:25:57,042 --> 00:25:58,842</time>
<s>别人的罕见的特例</s>
<time>796_00:25:59,562 --> 00:26:01,722</time>
<s>特别是2008年奥运会</s>
<time>797_00:26:02,082 --> 00:26:03,522</time>
<s>那个到了顶峰</s>
<time>798_00:26:03,882 --> 00:26:05,682</time>
<s>现在我们进入到一个复杂的</s>
<time>799_00:26:06,042 --> 00:26:06,402</time>
<s>困难的</s>
<time>800_00:26:06,762 --> 00:26:08,562</time>
<s>很多挑战的时代</s>
<time>801_00:26:09,282 --> 00:26:10,362</time>
<s>现在的很多社会</s>
<time>802_00:26:10,722 --> 00:26:11,802</time>
<s>年轻人感到的那种</s>
<time>803_00:26:12,522 --> 00:26:16,122</time>
<s>不适或者矛盾或者困扰</s>
<time>804_00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:17,562</time>
<s>就是那个假期结束了</s>
<time>805_00:26:17,922 --> 00:26:19,722</time>
<s>是假日综合症</s>
<time>806_00:26:21,882 --> 00:26:22,962</time>
<s>你开始是不接受的</s>
<time>807_00:26:23,322 --> 00:26:25,122</time>
<s>但是这才是真相</s>
<time>808_00:26:33,402 --> 00:26:34,482</time>
<s>《思故乡》那段第二乐章</s>
<time>809_00:26:38,082 --> 00:26:39,162</time>
<s>殿堂级音响系统打造听觉盛宴激</s>
<time>810_00:26:39,522 --> 00:26:42,762</time>
<s>殿堂级音响系统打造听觉盛实激</s>
<time>811_00:27:15,162 --> 00:27:15,882</time>
<s>其实故乡这个词</s>
<time>812_00:27:16,242 --> 00:27:17,682</time>
<s>你仔细琢磨就是</s>
<time>813_00:27:18,042 --> 00:27:19,482</time>
<s>因为你离开才会有</s>
<time>814_00:27:20,202 --> 00:27:20,922</time>
<s>你不离开是不知道的</s>
<time>815_00:27:21,282 --> 00:27:22,002</time>
<s>没有故乡这个概念</s>
<time>816_00:27:22,362 --> 00:27:23,802</time>
<s>这是你家乡</s>
<time>817_00:27:24,162 --> 00:27:25,242</time>
<s>所以人只是</s>
<time>818_00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:26,322</time>
<s>只有在</s>
<time>819_00:27:26,682 --> 00:27:28,482</time>
<s>离别回返这个当中</s>
<time>820_00:27:28,842 --> 00:27:29,562</time>
<s>才会有</s>
<time>821_00:27:29,922 --> 00:27:31,002</time>
<s>什么故乡的情节</s>
<time>822_00:27:31,362 --> 00:27:31,722</time>
<s>怀旧情绪</s>
<time>823_00:27:32,082 --> 00:27:32,802</time>
<s>这些东西</s>
<time>824_00:27:36,402 --> 00:27:37,122</time>
<s>现在想起你说</s>
<time>825_00:27:37,482 --> 00:27:38,202</time>
<s>你在美国开车时候</s>
<time>826_00:27:38,562 --> 00:27:39,642</time>
<s>听德沃夏克</s>
<time>827_00:27:40,002 --> 00:27:41,442</time>
<s>包括那个十二年那个</s>
<time>828_00:27:41,802 --> 00:27:43,602</time>
<s>其实相对孤单的时光</s>
<time>829_00:27:44,322 --> 00:27:46,482</time>
<s>对你的这种塑造是什么</s>
<time>830_00:27:46,842 --> 00:27:48,642</time>
<s>它是另一个成长期</s>
<time>831_00:27:49,002 --> 00:27:49,362</time>
<s>对</s>
<time>832_00:27:49,722 --> 00:27:50,802</time>
<s>再塑造</s>
<time>833_00:27:51,162 --> 00:27:53,322</time>
<s>就是逼迫你要适应</s>
<time>834_00:27:54,042 --> 00:27:54,762</time>
<s>安静</s>
<time>835_00:27:55,122 --> 00:27:56,562</time>
<s>长时间的安静</s>
<time>836_00:27:57,282 --> 00:27:58,722</time>
<s>独自的劳作</s>
<time>837_00:27:59,082 --> 00:28:00,522</time>
<s>和思考</s>
<time>838_00:28:00,882 --> 00:28:02,682</time>
<s>然后迫使你爱上</s>
<time>839_00:28:03,042 --> 00:28:03,762</time>
<s>这样一种状态</s>
<time>840_00:28:04,122 --> 00:28:05,562</time>
<s>因为它还是有对你的奖赏</s>
<time>841_00:28:05,922 --> 00:28:06,642</time>
<s>那个奖赏就是你</s>
<time>842_00:28:07,002 --> 00:28:08,442</time>
<s>智性上的发展</s>
<time>843_00:28:08,802 --> 00:28:10,602</time>
<s>然后你得到了新的洞见</s>
<time>844_00:28:12,042 --> 00:28:14,202</time>
<s>这个是一个塑造</s>
<time>845_00:28:15,282 --> 00:28:15,642</time>
<s>也可能是因为</s>
<time>846_00:28:16,362 --> 00:28:17,802</time>
<s>那时候你没有更多的选择</s>
<time>847_00:28:18,162 --> 00:28:18,522</time>
<s>所以你</s>
<time>848_00:28:18,882 --> 00:28:19,602</time>
<s>你必须心无旁</s>
<time>849_00:28:20,682 --> 00:28:22,122</time>
<s>就是一条黑要走到底</s>
<time>850_00:28:22,842 --> 00:28:23,922</time>
<s>有的时候是这样</s>
<time>851_00:28:25,362 --> 00:28:26,082</time>
<s>我觉得年轻的时候</s>
<time>852_00:28:26,442 --> 00:28:27,522</time>
<s>太容易浅尝止</s>
<time>853_00:28:27,882 --> 00:28:28,962</time>
<s>就是这个事情不喜欢</s>
<time>854_00:28:29,322 --> 00:28:29,682</time>
<s>就退回来了</s>
<time>855_00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:30,762</time>
<s>事情不喜欢</s>
<time>856_00:28:31,122 --> 00:28:31,482</time>
<s>有些事情</s>
<time>857_00:28:31,842 --> 00:28:33,282</time>
<s>你是要经过挺长时间</s>
<time>858_00:28:33,642 --> 00:28:34,362</time>
<s>才能尝试出</s>
<time>859_00:28:34,722 --> 00:28:35,802</time>
<s>自已到底喜欢不喜欢</s>
<time>860_00:28:36,522 --> 00:28:37,242</time>
<s>是要经过那些阶段</s>
<time>861_00:28:37,602 --> 00:28:38,682</time>
<s>那些阶段有的时候</s>
<time>862_00:28:39,042 --> 00:28:40,482</time>
<s>好像是并不是那么自愿</s>
<time>863_00:28:42,642 --> 00:28:43,002</time>
<s>不知道为什么</s>
<time>864_00:28:44,082 --> 00:28:45,522</time>
<s>好像是有分寸感</s>
<time>865_00:28:52,722 --> 00:28:54,162</time>
<s>你知道我们2018年暑假</s>
<time>866_00:28:55,242 --> 00:28:57,042</time>
<s>我们全家去欧洲旅行</s>
<time>867_00:28:58,122 --> 00:28:58,842</time>
<s>七个国家</s>
<time>868_00:28:59,202 --> 00:29:00,282</time>
<s>就全是开车自驾</s>
<time>869_00:29:01,362 --> 00:29:01,722</time>
<s>就是</s>
<time>870_00:29:02,082 --> 00:29:03,522</time>
<s>也就是那个租车行</s>
<time>871_00:29:03,882 --> 00:29:04,962</time>
<s>就给了两辆沃尔沃</s>
<time>872_00:29:05,682 --> 00:29:06,762</time>
<s>XC60大概是</s>
