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<s>大家好</s>
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<s>感谢大家来听我讲云南</s>
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<s>感谢一席</s>
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<s>我是敢于胡乱</s>
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<s>云南昆明人</s>
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<s>是云南饮食的调查者</s>
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<s>了解的时间越长</s>
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<s>我发觉云南饮食的复杂性</s>
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<s>不能简单归纳</s>
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<s>说它辣</s>
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<s>它和四川贵州一样辣</s>
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<s>说它的食材稀奇古怪</s>
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<s>它又和两广不相上下</s>
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<s>说它保守</s>
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<s>它又大量种植咖啡</s>
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<s>说它封闭</s>
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<s>它又和内地周边东南亚国家有着密切的联系</s>
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<s>非常杂</s>
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<s>无体系而成一体</s>
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<s>下面和大家分享一下我的云南饮食见闻</s>
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<s>八去年年底席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>《人生一串》的导演陈英杰席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>和我在昆明约了台烧烤席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>那天我和他谈了一下我看他片子的感受</s>
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<s>我就说你六集下来全是晚上的黑镜头席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>但是我们云南的烧烤不仅晚上“黑干”席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>但是我们云南的烧烤不仅晚上“黑干”</s>
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<s>白天甚至大清早就操办的也不在少数</s>
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<s>夜间烧烤有一个问题要解决席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>就是照明问题席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>在没有电灯的时代</s>
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<s>油灯松明蜡烛等等不够明亮以外</s>
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<s>还有一个硬伤</s>
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<s>不防风席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>烟子还大席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>席人义·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>还好滇越铁路来了</s>
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<s>带来了两样东西</s>
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<s>一个是煤油一个是煤油灯</s>
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<s>照明问题解决了</s>
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<s>这是我拍摄的滇越铁路的一些图片</s>
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<s>这条铁路现在使用率已经很低了</s>
<time>45_00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,160</time>
<s>滇越铁路上上下下带来的都是人</s>
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<s>所以建水这个地方</s>
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<s>烧烤白天也吃晚上也吃</s>
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<s>当地人还很会做菜</s>
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<s>物产也丰富</s>
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<s>时间一长</s>
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<s>建水烧烤想不出名都很困难</s>
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<s>建水烧烤的头牌烧豆腐</s>
<time>53_00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,400</time>
<s>那也是名声在外</s>
<time>54_00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,000</time>
<s>烧豆腐是用纱布包裹成型的</s>
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<s>成型以后还要发酵几天</s>
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<s>烤出来非常香</s>
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<s>用手一分为二</s>
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<s>一手蘸潮料</s>
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<s>吃起来层次分明</s>
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<s>这种发酵食物一吃是最容易上瘾的</s>
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<s>物美价廉</s>
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<s>花不了几个钱就可以喝上一台小酒</s>
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<s>建水有一种特殊的蔬菜叫草芽</s>
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<s>这是一种香蒲的水下速生茎</s>
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<s>夏天长得最快</s>
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<s>一天可以蹄出十几二十公分</s>
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<s>生吃鲜嫩多汁有点甜</s>
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<s>烤出来的鲜甜柔软又带一点爽脆</s>
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<s>口感是很对立的</s>
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<s>但是毫无违和</s>
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<s>离建水不远</s>
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<s>红河河谷有一种也是水下速生茎</s>
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<s>这个叫弯根</s>
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<s>是当地的一种芋头</s>
<time>75_00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,800</time>
<s>这种芋头夏天的时候一天可以出十几二十公分</s>
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<s>但是红河谷这个地方一年四季都是夏天</s>
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<s>弯根当地人是非常喜欢的</s>
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<s>炒着吃煮汤</s>
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<s>还腌制成这种叫弯根的食物</s>
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<s>弯根是用炒熟的碎米</s>
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<s>加上辣椒加上盐腌出来的</s>
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<s>植物纤维和淀粉协同发酵</s>
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<s>产生一种酸味物质</s>
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<s>当地人喜欢吃糯米</s>
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<s>吃糯米配上带酸味的咸菜</s>
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<s>吃下去是很舒服的</s>
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<s>不会胀气</s>
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<s>当地的水果很多</s>
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<s>水果一多</s>
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<s>水果菜就多</s>
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<s>不成熟的嫩果</s>
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<s>像小芒果</s>
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<s>加盐和辣椒可以做成凉拌小芒果</s>
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<s>番木瓜也是这样拌成凉拌番木瓜</s>
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<s>成熟的果实可以做成油炸芒果</s>
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<s>加了面粉鸡蛋</s>
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<s>这个是甜口</s>
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<s>这是咸鸭蛋拌芒果</s>
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<s>这一盘是我做的</s>
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<s>因为芒果含有一定的生物碱</s>
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<s>盐和它一中和</s>
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<s>生物碱就中和了</s>
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<s>中间那个白的是西红柿炒甘蔗尖</s>
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<s>这个也是很好吃的</s>
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<s>一开始我还不太注意</s>
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<s>我觉得这个很一般</s>
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<s>比甘蔗好吃</s>
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<s>还有很多水果</s>
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<s>像菠萝草莓</s>
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<s>加盐和辣椒腌制成泡菜</s>
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<s>这在云南是很普及的一个作风</s>
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<s>其实这种做派</s>
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<s>和沿海地区的菠萝蘸酱油</s>
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<s>有异曲同工之妙</s>
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<s>红河河谷终年炎热</s>
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<s>但是很奇怪</s>
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<s>这个地方是盛行牛汤锅</s>
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<s>汤锅做得最好的地方都在交通线上</s>
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<s>因为吃的人多</s>
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<s>慢慢地水平才提得高</s>
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<s>在偏僻的地方吃的人少</s>
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<s>可能越来越没落</s>
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<s>接下来说一说史迪威公路</s>
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<s>关于这条公路一般的叙述是这样的</s>
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<s>1937年</s>
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<s>云南人民用短短9个月时间就修通了滇缅公路</s>
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<s>（史迪威公路）它还有一个名称叫滇缅公路</s>
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<s>我听到的故事是这样的</s>
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<s>汽车开过去的时候</s>
<time>130_00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,360</time>
<s>当地人抱着青草稻草去喂汽车</s>
<time>131_00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,760</time>
<s>认为这种大动物力气这么大</s>
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<s>胃口不会小</s>
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<s>我第一次跑这条公路是90年代初期</s>
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<s>两个驾驶员轮流开</s>
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<s>加上打尖吃饭</s>
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<s>整整跑了两天三夜</s>
<time>137_00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,080</time>
<s>现在是全程高速</s>
<time>138_00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:35,520</time>
<s>跑得快也8小时</s>
<time>139_00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,600</time>
<s>跑得慢9小时</s>
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<s>当年有两个比较惊险的路段</s>
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<s>还记忆犹新</s>
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<s>第一个是怒江红旗桥</s>
<time>143_00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,360</time>
<s>旁边是惠通桥</s>
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<s>一个是永平坡</s>
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<s>永平坡一上一下是70公里</s>
<time>146_00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,440</time>
<s>跑起来要4个小时</s>
<time>147_00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,840</time>
<s>刚好是两个吃饭点的时间</s>
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<s>所以永平坡周边散布了很多食宿店</s>
<time>149_00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,280</time>
<s>俗称大货车司机之家</s>
<time>150_00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,240</time>
<s>它的招牌菜就是</s>
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<s>黄焖鸡</s>
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<s>这个也是我做的</s>
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<s>黄焖鸡来的很快</s>
<time>154_00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,120</time>
<s>从杀鸡到炒好上桌</s>
<time>155_00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,720</time>
<s>快手的师傅20分钟就搞好了</s>
<time>156_00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,160</time>
<s>所以很受欢迎</s>
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<s>黄焖鸡还有一个特点就是</s>
<time>158_00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,000</time>
<s>下饭佐酒都不错</s>
<time>159_00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,040</time>
<s>所以早在清代它就在昆明流行</s>
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<s>到了史迪威公路时代</s>
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<s>云南很多地方都有了黄焖鸡</s>
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<s>云南另外一条公路</s>
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<s>从昆明到西双版纳景洪有一条213国道</s>
<time>164_00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,000</time>
<s>实际上它的起点是兰州</s>
<time>165_00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,080</time>
<s>兰州到景洪</s>
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<s>213国道的山区路段黄焖鸡也是看家菜</s>
<time>167_00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,760</time>
<s>最有名的这一段是叫安定黄焖鸡</s>
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<s>汽车翻过哀牢山</s>
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<s>这是云南一个重要的气候带</s>
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<s>翻过哀牢山之后</s>
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<s>一般都要停车吃饭</s>
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<s>吃安定黄焖鸡</s>
<time>173_00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,800</time>
<s>这里的店家比较好玩</s>
<time>174_00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:56,640</time>
<s>都要问老板你是加洋芋还是加山药</s>
<time>175_00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,320</time>
<s>加洋芋就叫洋芋黄焖鸡</s>
<time>176_00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,840</time>
<s>加山药就叫山药黄焖鸡</s>
<time>177_00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,000</time>
<s>还有一种是加板栗</s>
<time>178_00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,800</time>
<s>那就叫板栗黄焖鸡</s>
<time>179_00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,960</time>
<s>这些黄焖鸡做法上都略微有些不同</s>
<time>180_00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,000</time>
<s>这个略微不同就形成不同的风味</s>
<time>181_00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,760</time>
<s>云南因为地形地理限制</s>
<time>182_00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,560</time>
<s>长期交通不便</s>
<time>183_00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,800</time>
<s>即便是两个很近的地方</s>
<time>184_00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,320</time>
<s>也会形成不同</s>
<time>185_00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,480</time>
<s>饮食风格都会有差异</s>
<time>186_00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:45,240</time>
<s>这也算是云南饮食的一个小魅力点</s>
<time>187_00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,560</time>
<s>王小波在云南当过知青</s>
<time>188_00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,520</time>
<s>他写了一篇散文</s>
<time>189_00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,760</time>
<s>叫《一只特立独行的猪》</s>
<time>190_00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,560</time>
<s>他写的这只特立独行的猪</s>
<time>191_00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,160</time>
<s>是一只情商智商双高的猪</s>
<time>192_00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,360</time>
<s>我觉得这个双高不是随便高的</s>
<time>193_00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,520</time>
<s>是用时间堆出来的</s>
<time>194_00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,840</time>
<s>王小波说他喂它的时候</s>
<time>195_00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,360</time>
<s>这只猪已经四五岁</s>
<time>196_00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,520</time>
<s>已经是老司机了</s>
<time>197_00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,560</time>
<s>现在云南迪庆的藏猪</s>
<time>198_00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:33,840</time>
<s>排着整齐的队伍走过来的就是迪庆藏猪</s>
<time>199_00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:35,640</time>
<s>这是很早的一个早晨</s>
<time>200_00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,880</time>
<s>大概是7点左右</s>
<time>201_00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,720</time>
<s>它们就排着队伍自己过河去找食</s>
<time>202_00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,600</time>
<s>它要养上三年</s>
<time>203_00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,000</time>
<s>这个藏猪情商智商如何我搞不清</s>
<time>204_00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,680</time>
<s>但是有一点我是知道的</s>
<time>205_00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,560</time>
<s>猪肉很香</s>
<time>206_00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,920</time>
<s>比小时候的味道</s>
<time>207_00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,800</time>
<s>还要来得小时候的味道</s>
<time>208_00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:24,600</time>
<s>这个滋味我觉得也是要靠时间去堆积的</s>
<time>209_00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,280</time>
<s>哈巴的登山伙食不错</s>
<time>210_00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,160</time>
<s>就靠土猪腊肉</s>
<time>211_00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,040</time>
<s>高山向导先煮饭</s>
<time>212_00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:36,840</time>
<s>用高压锅</s>
<time>213_00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,600</time>
<s>海拔一高压力不够</s>
<time>214_00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,280</time>
<s>煮得差不多的时候下腊肉下蔬菜</s>
<time>215_00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,040</time>
<s>煮成一锅腊肉蔬菜焖饭</s>
<time>216_00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:02,040</time>
<s>我们都亲切地称它为哈巴雪山煲仔饭</s>
<time>217_00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,600</time>
<s>2011年的时候我去维西叶枝镇</s>
<time>218_00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,920</time>
<s>就发现小镇上的小市场</s>
<time>219_00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,960</time>
<s>小市场土猪肉洋猪肉都在卖</s>
<time>220_00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,200</time>
<s>我上去打听了一下行情</s>
<time>221_00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,360</time>
<s>发现一个问题</s>
<time>222_00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:26,880</time>
<s>价格是一样的</s>
<time>223_00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,120</time>
<s>我当时很惊牙</s>
<time>224_00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,640</time>
<s>土猪要放养</s>
<time>225_00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,080</time>
<s>短一点两年</s>
<time>226_00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,160</time>
<s>长一点三年</s>
<time>227_00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,040</time>
<s>饲料猪一年不到</s>
<time>228_00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,560</time>
<s>价格怎么会一样呢</s>
<time>229_00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,000</time>
<s>在昆明市场上</s>
<time>230_00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,760</time>
<s>土猪肉要贵出洋猪肉两三倍</s>
<time>231_00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,720</time>
<s>我就问杀猪匠老师傅</s>
<time>232_00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,760</time>
<s>杀猪匠老师傅就跟我说</s>
<time>233_00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,720</time>
<s>买饲料是要花钱的</s>
<time>234_00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,480</time>
<s>放养不花钱</s>
<time>235_00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,080</time>
<s>他没有人工费这个概念</s>
<time>236_00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,640</time>
<s>一路上我看到这些都是放猪的</s>
<time>237_00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,160</time>
<s>小女孩妇女</s>
<time>238_00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,480</time>
<s>在当地她们是白干的</s>
<time>239_00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,360</time>
<s>我有点想不通</s>
<time>240_00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,480</time>
<s>当地放养的土猪实际上也不喂什么东西</s>
<time>241_00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,520</time>
<s>和山羊的待遇是相当的</s>
<time>242_00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,680</time>
<s>叶枝这个地方</s>
<time>243_00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:47,520</time>
<s>是民族和食物准垂直分布的地点</s>
<time>244_00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,840</time>
<s>不同海拔居住着不同的民族</s>
<time>245_00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,160</time>
<s>生产不同的食物</s>
<time>246_00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,400</time>
<s>维西县攀天阁就在这个附近</s>
<time>247_00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,000</time>
<s>它是全世界种植海拔最高的地方</s>
<time>248_00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,880</time>
<s>种到了2700公尺</s>
<time>249_00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,400</time>
<s>水冷海拔高</s>
<time>250_00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,720</time>
<s>稻谷成熟的时候不是一片金黄</s>
<time>251_00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,240</time>
<s>是一片黑压压</s>
<time>252_00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,640</time>
<s>当地的稻谷叫做黑谷红米</s>
<time>253_00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,080</time>
<s>谷壳是黑的</s>
<time>254_00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:24,600</time>
<s>海拔太高了</s>
<time>255_00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,040</time>
<s>早晚温差又大</s>
<time>256_00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,920</time>
<s>但是打出来的米是红米</s>
<time>257_00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,240</time>
<s>维西这个地方喜欢种一种植物苋米</s>
<time>258_00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,280</time>
<s>苋米就是苋菜结的籽</s>
<time>259_00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,040</time>
<s>苋菜大家应该都吃过</s>
<time>260_00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,200</time>
<s>很通俗的一个蔬菜</s>
<time>261_00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,360</time>
<s>当地人喜欢用苋菜的籽做米粑粑</s>
<time>262_00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,240</time>
<s>当地人喜欢用菜的籽做荧米粑粑席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>263_00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,320</time>
<s>当地人喜欢用苋菜的籽做苋米粑粑</s>
<time>264_00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,120</time>
<s>味道有点淡</s>
<time>265_00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,360</time>
<s>但是回味还是比较长</s>
<time>266_00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,520</time>
<s>越吃越有感觉</s>
<time>267_00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:03,840</time>
<s>苋米在其他地方都是蔬菜</s>
<time>268_00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,640</time>
<s>苋米在其他地方都是蔬菜席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>269_00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,720</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>270_00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,960</time>
<s>我目前只知道在维西这个地方席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>271_00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,760</time>
<s>它是一种粮食作物席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>272_00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,280</time>
<s>云南是火塘最多的地方</s>
<time>273_00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,600</time>
<s>火塘的火长年不熄灭</s>
<time>274_00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,840</time>
<s>这也是保留火种的一种习惯</s>
<time>275_00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,360</time>
<s>也是火崇拜</s>
<time>276_00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,040</time>
<s>但是云南丰富的食材遇到那么简陋的火塘</s>
<time>277_00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,760</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>278_00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,640</time>
<s>其实是没有办法精细操作的席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>279_00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:33,360</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>280_00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,240</time>
<s>火塘不仅仅是做饭的地方</s>
<time>281_00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,200</time>
<s>也是客厅和社交场所</s>
<time>282_00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,320</time>
<s>族认为祖先的灵魂就住在火塘上席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>283_00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,760</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>284_00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:49,200</time>
<s>是有禁忌的席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>285_00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:49,920</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>286_00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,800</time>
<s>三角架是不能跨越的席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>287_00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:53,520</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>288_00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,400</time>
<s>族是一个采集民族</s>
<time>289_00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,840</time>
<s>他们也采松茸</s>
<time>290_00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,000</time>
<s>但是他们并不觉得</s>
<time>291_00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,600</time>
<s>松茸是一种多么好吃的野生菌</s>
<time>292_00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,200</time>
<s>云南大部分地区</s>
<time>293_00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,640</time>
<s>不仅仅是族</s>
<time>294_00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,520</time>
<s>包括当年昆明也不吃这个东西</s>
<time>295_00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,680</time>
<s>把它叫做“臭鸡枞”</s>
<time>296_00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,000</time>
<s>它连名字都没有个正式的名字</s>
<time>297_00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,440</time>
<s>族还很奇怪</s>
<time>298_00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,240</time>
<s>为什么有人愿意</s>
<time>299_00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,840</time>
<s>花那么大的价钱去买这么一个东西呢</s>
<time>300_00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,720</time>
<s>松茸有一个传说</s>
<time>301_00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,320</time>
<s>说日本原子弹爆炸以后</s>
<time>302_00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:38,160</time>
<s>在爆炸点附近第一个长出来的生物就是松茸</s>
<time>303_00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,120</time>
<s>这个传说传回族采集者那里</s>
<time>304_00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,280</time>
<s>以传化</s>
<time>305_00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,240</time>
<s>族的互相就说了</s>
<time>306_00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,560</time>
<s>日本人买松茸搞半天是去造原子弹的</s>
<time>307_00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,320</time>
<s>云南那么多野生菌几百种</s>
<time>308_00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,840</time>
<s>谁排第一呢</s>
<time>309_00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,960</time>
<s>综合调查下来</s>
<time>310_00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:08,760</time>
<s>鸡枞排第一</s>
<time>311_00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,000</time>
<s>各地有各地的偏好</s>
<time>312_00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:13,800</time>
<s>各地还不太一样</s>
<time>313_00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,840</time>
<s>鸡枞起源于非洲</s>
<time>314_00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,240</time>
<s>因为和鸡枞共生的白蚁起源于非洲</s>
<time>315_00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,840</time>
<s>鸡枞全世界有40种</s>
<time>316_00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,640</time>
<s>云南有20种</s>
<time>317_00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:31,440</time>
<s>占一半</s>
<time>318_00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,040</time>
<s>云南这边就很简单粗暴</s>
<time>319_00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,200</time>
<s>把鸡枞分成</s>
<time>320_00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:44,400</time>
<s>青鸡枞黄鸡枞白皮鸡枞火把鸡枞</s>
<time>321_00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,840</time>
<s>还有鸡枞花</s>
<time>322_00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,000</time>
<s>分得很简单很简单</s>
<time>323_00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,760</time>
<s>青鸡枞和黄鸡枞个头大味道鲜甜</s>
<time>324_00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,080</time>
<s>个头很大的有的一公斤一棵</s>
<time>325_00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,960</time>
<s>青鸡枞黄鸡枞是可以生吃的</s>
<time>326_00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,400</time>
<s>方法很简单</s>
<time>327_00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,280</time>
<s>就是用一个刀子或者竹片</s>
<time>328_00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,800</time>
<s>最好是不用金属的</s>
<time>329_00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,240</time>
<s>当然现在的条件更好了</s>
<time>330_00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,040</time>
<s>有瓷刀</s>
<time>331_00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,560</time>
<s>把表面刮干净</s>
<time>332_00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,520</time>
<s>满嘴的清甜爽脆</s>
<time>333_00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,400</time>
<s>我上山也这么干</s>
<time>334_00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,000</time>
<s>碰到好的鸡枞也买一棵</s>
<time>335_00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,960</time>
<s>刮出来边走边吃</s>
<time>336_00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,200</time>
<s>我们做鸡枞菜</s>
<time>337_00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,160</time>
<s>城市里一般是喜欢炒着吃</s>
<time>338_00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,760</time>
<s>或者炒了以后做汤</s>
<time>339_00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,000</time>
<s>乡村就不一样</s>
<time>340_00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:43,440</time>
<s>乡村油水少</s>
<time>341_00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,680</time>
<s>一般是蒸着吃或者烧</s>
<time>342_00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,200</time>
<s>在火塘它有明火</s>
<time>343_00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:49,920</time>
<s>烧一下</s>
<time>344_00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,240</time>
<s>然后加点辣椒加点盐或者酱油</s>
<time>345_00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,480</time>
<s>大家都有个习惯</s>
<time>346_00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,920</time>
<s>就是煮一锅鸡汤</s>
<time>347_00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:05,400</time>
<s>撒一把鸡枞叫“双鸡”</s>
<time>348_00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,440</time>
<s>鸡枞油一般是用火把鸡枞来炼</s>
<time>349_00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680</time>
<s>这个是成片成片生长的</s>
<time>350_00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,200</time>
<s>价格相对比较便宜</s>
<time>351_00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,440</time>
<s>黄鸡枞和青鸡枞用不起</s>
<time>352_00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,760</time>
<s>这个是农历7月半雷雨天气最多</s>
<time>353_00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,640</time>
<s>一打雷又来了一片一片就来了</s>
<time>354_00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,240</time>
<s>最好的火把鸡枞也是那个时间的</s>
<time>355_00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,200</time>
<s>采鸡枞可能很多人想象很复杂</s>
<time>356_00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,280</time>
<s>其实很简单</s>
<time>357_00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,800</time>
<s>鸡枞和白蚁共生</s>
<time>358_00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,400</time>
<s>它可以跟鸡枞窝在一起</s>
<time>359_00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,080</time>
<s>它上面出子实体的地方就叫鸡枞窝子</s>
<time>360_00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,560</time>
<s>鸡枞窝子每年会发一次或者两次三次不等</s>
<time>361_00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,720</time>
<s>鸡枞窝子每年发</s>
<time>362_00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,240</time>
<s>就是每年到那采到那挖</s>
<time>363_00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,760</time>
<s>地面就有一个很明显的土坑</s>
<time>364_00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,520</time>
<s>你去那个土坑里看一看有没有鸡枞就可以了</s>
<time>365_00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,320</time>
<s>这个要赶早</s>
<time>366_00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,480</time>
<s>你去看别人也去看</s>
<time>367_00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:16,320</time>
<s>有的山民是3点多钟戴着头灯就去看</s>
<time>368_00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,480</time>
<s>但赶早也不一定</s>
<time>369_00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,880</time>
<s>鸡枞出土的时间没一个定数</s>
<time>370_00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,480</time>
<s>有时候我下午过去看看又有了</s>
<time>371_00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:35,760</time>
<s>采鸡枞有个要点是不能挖到鸡枞窝（白蚁窝）</s>
<time>372_00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,640</time>
<s>挖到鸡枞窝（白蚁窝）白蚁就搬家了</s>
<time>373_00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,440</time>
<s>这个窝子就废了</s>
<time>374_00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:42,600</time>
<s>滇中地区</s>
<time>375_00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,120</time>
<s>滇中就是昆明周边</s>
<time>376_00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800</time>
<s>野生菌的老大就不是鸡枞了</s>
<time>377_00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,320</time>
<s>而是干巴菌</s>
<time>378_00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,080</time>
<s>这一带的干巴菌品质是最好的</s>
<time>379_00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,880</time>
<s>干巴菌的</s>
<time>380_00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,760</time>
<s>子实体生长的速度很慢</s>
<time>381_00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,520</time>
<s>它从出士到成熟要20天左右</s>
<time>382_00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,040</time>
<s>这个在野生菌里头不多见</s>
<time>383_00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,280</time>
<s>一般的野生菌就是子实体一冒出来</s>
<time>384_00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,720</time>
<s>早上出</s>
<time>385_00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,600</time>
<s>朝菌不知嗨朔</s>
<time>386_00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,760</time>
<s>这就出现个什么问题</s>
<time>387_00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440</time>
<s>它有很多杂质这20天</s>
<time>388_00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,600</time>
<s>如果你不加管理让它自由生长</s>
<time>389_00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,400</time>
<s>它就进入到菌体里头</s>
<time>390_00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,560</time>
<s>它的品质就受影响</s>
<time>391_00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,600</time>
<s>所以一般品质好的干巴菌都是包山菌</s>
<time>392_00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,720</time>
<s>菌农每年6月到10月就住在菌山上</s>
<time>393_00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,680</time>
<s>一发现地面有小的干巴菌出来以后</s>
<time>394_00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,920</time>
<s>马上就把周边的杂草清理干净</s>
<time>395_00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,520</time>
<s>并用蕨菜的叶子做一个遮挡</s>
<time>396_00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:54,960</time>
<s>给它搭一个小帐篷</s>
<time>397_00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,560</time>
<s>防止这些杂质进入</s>
<time>398_00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,600</time>
<s>这样就可以获得比较好品质的干巴菌</s>
<time>399_00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,120</time>
<s>为什么叫干巴菌呢</s>
<time>400_00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,200</time>
<s>干巴呢</s>
<time>401_00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,960</time>
<s>我们一般是把腌制发酵的风干肉类叫做干巴</s>
<time>402_00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,120</time>
<s>它香气浓郁</s>
<time>403_00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,800</time>
<s>所以就把这种香气浓郁的菌子命名为干巴菌</s>
<time>404_00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,600</time>
<s>我们自己很明白</s>
<time>405_00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,200</time>
<s>这个命名法则是很云南很合适的</s>
<time>406_00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,440</time>
<s>但是到了其他地方就费工夫了</s>
<time>407_00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,680</time>
<s>就像我今天讲起来我也很困难</s>
<time>408_00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,360</time>
<s>干巴菌越新鲜越好吃品质越好</s>
<time>409_00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,880</time>
<s>早上采当天吃</s>
<time>410_00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,360</time>
<s>这几年我每年都带一大口美食旅行团</s>
<time>411_00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,600</time>
<s>到云南菌山采菌子吃菌子</s>
<time>412_00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,560</time>
<s>大家熟悉了干巴菌的味道以后</s>
<time>413_00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,800</time>
<s>第二天到了木水花野生菌市场</s>
<time>414_00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:56,880</time>
<s>闻一闻</s>
<time>415_00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,280</time>
<s>马上就能分辩出哪些新鲜哪些不新鲜</s>
<time>416_00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,400</time>
<s>云南烹饪干巴菌方法并不多</s>
<time>417_00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,800</time>
<s>第一个是加大量的辣椒炒</s>
<time>418_00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,600</time>
<s>这个就是最传统的</s>
<time>419_00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,840</time>
<s>第二个就是焙熟菌丁（凉拌）</s>
<time>420_00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,000</time>
<s>第三个是干巴菌炒饭</s>
<time>421_00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,080</time>
<s>这个不太辣</s>
<time>422_00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,840</time>
<s>现在有的餐厅做了一个干巴菌天妇罗</s>
<time>423_00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:28,920</time>
<s>我觉得很好</s>
<time>424_00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,080</time>
<s>适合不吃辣的朋友</s>
<time>425_00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,400</time>
<s>汕头的张新民老师是非常喜欢干巴菌的</s>
<time>426_00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,000</time>
<s>他用干巴菌去提干海鲜的香气</s>
<time>427_00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,680</time>
<s>我觉得这也是一个好的尝试</s>
<time>428_00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,200</time>
<s>我是非常希望省外的朋友</s>
<time>429_00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,800</time>
<s>用省外的烹饪方法来烹饪云南食材</s>
<time>430_00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,400</time>
<s>这个就可以获得更多的可能性</s>
<time>431_00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,280</time>
<s>传说每一个云南人</s>
<time>432_00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,520</time>
<s>都有一个吃见手青中毒的朋友</s>
<time>433_00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,200</time>
<s>很荣幸我也有一位</s>
<time>434_00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,240</time>
<s>去年夏天</s>
<time>435_00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,920</time>
<s>有一个北京的朋友到云南吃菌子</s>
<time>436_00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,240</time>
<s>来了以后他就非常想尝试一下</s>
<time>437_00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,680</time>
<s>吃菌子中毒的感觉</s>
<time>438_00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,440</time>
<s>他说那个小人到底是什么颜色</s>
<time>439_00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,960</time>
<s>我说你吃吧</s>
<time>440_00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,200</time>
<s>他吃了几天三四天吧</s>
<time>441_00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:31,920</time>
<s>回到北京</s>
<time>442_00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,600</time>
<s>然后就出问题了</s>
<time>443_00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,560</time>
<s>出问题了以后</s>
<time>444_00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:42,720</time>
<s>不敢闭眼睛</s>
<time>445_00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320</time>
<s>一闭眼睛就出现幻视</s>
<time>446_00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:48,480</time>
<s>据他描述</s>
<time>447_00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,440</time>
<s>是有白色的絮状物老是在飘动</s>
<time>448_00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,040</time>
<s>到了医院</s>
<time>449_00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,000</time>
<s>医生也搞不清楚什么叫见手青中毒</s>
<time>450_00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:01,440</time>
<s>没听说过</s>
<time>451_00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,320</time>
<s>在昆明不是</s>
<time>452_00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,560</time>
<s>在昆明连头都不抬就看了交钱</s>
<time>453_00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,880</time>
<s>后来我才知道</s>
<time>454_00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,200</time>
<s>他是吃了整整一盘中间这个红见手</s>
<time>455_00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,360</time>
<s>这个是毒性相对较大的</s>
<time>456_00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,120</time>
<s>其实见手青这个东西早年主要是滇中地区吃</s>
<time>457_00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,200</time>
<s>其他地方很少吃</s>
<time>458_00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,280</time>
<s>油水问题</s>
<time>459_00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,520</time>
<s>山区它油水少它就很少吃</s>
<time>460_00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,480</time>
<s>见手青中毒也是因为烹饪不当—席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>461_00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,560</time>
<s>没有炒熟—席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>462_00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080</time>
<s>或者干脆就炒得过头了炒糊了—席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>463_00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,960</time>
<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>464_00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,200</time>
<s>所以现在采用的烹饪方法都是二次烹饪</s>
<time>465_00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,160</time>
<s>先蒸熟再去炒—席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>466_00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,600</time>
<s>这个就安全多了—席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>467_00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,200</time>
<s>比如说这一盘也是我炒的它就是二次烹饪</s>
<time>468_00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,320</time>
<s>云南一手摘花一手捉虫</s>
<time>469_00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,920</time>
<s>两手都很硬</s>
<time>470_00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,840</time>
<s>云南的虫子常见的也就是二三十种</s>
<time>471_00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:10,560</time>
<s>也不多</s>
<time>472_00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,120</time>
<s>比如说水蜻蜓蜂蛹</s>
<time>473_00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,720</time>
<s>这个小女孩前面的是一盘巨大的蜂蛹</s>
<time>474_00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,840</time>
<s>常见的还有竹虫水蜻蜓黑甲虫爬沙虫这些</s>
<time>475_00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,080</time>
<s>虫子的烹饪方法实际上太简单了</s>
<time>476_00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,680</time>
<s>基本都是用油炸一炸</s>
<time>477_00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,640</time>
<s>进油锅像蜂蛹也是这样</s>
<time>478_00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,440</time>
<s>但是</s>
<time>479_00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,400</time>
<s>蜂蛹有个问题就是</s>
<time>480_00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,920</time>
<s>它炸出来很香</s>
<time>481_00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,800</time>
<s>但是会容易上火</s>
<time>482_00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,320</time>
<s>菜花腌菜凉拌就没有这个问题</s>
<time>483_00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,400</time>
<s>它就不容易上火</s>
<time>484_00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,640</time>
<s>一般说到吃虫</s>
<time>485_00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,320</time>
<s>我心里联想的是什么</s>
<time>486_00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,160</time>
<s>好吃香脆酥香香死了</s>
<time>487_00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,000</time>
<s>接着很快意江湖地来杯酒</s>
<time>488_00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320</time>
<s>可能大家的心理感受会和我完全不一样</s>
<time>489_00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,120</time>
<s>像前面这个蜂蛹</s>
<time>490_00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,800</time>
<s>200年前有一个叫做檀萃的人</s>
<time>491_00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,880</time>
<s>来云南做官</s>
<time>492_00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,040</time>
<s>他吃了蜂蛹以后</s>
<time>493_00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,480</time>
<s>也是预测</s>
<time>494_00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,440</time>
<s>他就写了一本书叫《滇海虞衡志》</s>
<time>495_00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,520</time>
<s>很出名的一本书</s>
<time>496_00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:43,800</time>
<s>说蜂蛹将来会和燕窝一样很流行</s>
<time>497_00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,680</time>
<s>但是现在200年过去了</s>
<time>498_00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,440</time>
<s>蜂蛹还是我们云南人民自产自销</s>
<time>499_00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,760</time>
<s>没有太大的改变</s>
<time>500_00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,440</time>
<s>这个叫凉拌蚂蚁蛋</s>
<time>501_00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,760</time>
<s>这是德宏的一个特殊的虫子菜</s>
<time>502_00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,560</time>
<s>我觉得很特别</s>
<time>503_00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,240</time>
<s>这个菜要每年的三四月才有</s>
<time>504_00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,320</time>
<s>其他季节还没有</s>
<time>505_00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,200</time>
<s>十它的口感是很特殊的席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>506_00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,280</time>
<s>小十我觉得非常之好吃丑席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>507_00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,000</time>
<s>小我觉得非常之好吃席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>508_00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,520</time>
<s>小工像什么味道呢席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>509_00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040</time>
<s>小有股苏子的清香席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>田席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>示苏子你们知道吗苏麻田席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>512_00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,440</time>
<s>是很清香的一种香料</s>
<time>513_00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,040</time>
<s>T这个蚂蚁蛋一般是什么地方多呢席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>514_00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:32,760</time>
<s>十是甘蔗地席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>515_00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,480</time>
<s>广人文·科技·白</s>
<time>516_00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,720</time>
<s>+甘蔗地里发现了蚂蚁窝席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>517_00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,240</time>
<s>T+要掏下去50公分左右席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>518_00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,480</time>
<s>然后用手把蚂蚁蛋从蚂蚁窝里掏出来席人文·科技白日梦</s>
<time>519_00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,720</time>
<s>然后用手把蚂蚁蛋从蚂蚁窝里掏出来二</s>
<time>520_00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,800</time>
<s>以席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>521_00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,600</time>
<s>但是那个手就够呛了口席人文·科技·自白日梦</s>
<time>522_00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,040</time>
<s>以席人文·科技白日梦</s>
<time>523_00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,920</time>
<s>不蚂蚁是很凶残的别看小席人文·科技·自白日梦</s>
<time>524_00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,080</time>
<s>掏出来以后用水冲洗</s>
<time>525_00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,600</time>
<s>这个蚂蚁蛋轻往上浮</s>
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<s>泥土往下沉</s>
<time>527_00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,920</time>
<s>所以就清理干净了</s>
<time>528_00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,240</time>
<s>云南各民族吃的花卉加起来有300多种</s>
<time>529_00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,760</time>
<s>而且大部分是野生的</s>
<time>530_00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,440</time>
<s>我觉得云南采集花卉吃花的习俗</s>
<time>531_00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,040</time>
<s>是采集习惯的一个延续</s>
<time>532_00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,960</time>
<s>像族就把能采到花的月份叫做采花月</s>
<time>533_00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,360</time>
<s>春天到茶山就可以看到漫山遍野的高大花树</s>
<time>534_00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880</time>
<s>这种高大花树叫做羊蹄甲</s>
<time>535_00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,760</time>
<s>白花粉花紫花</s>
<time>536_00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,920</time>
<s>紫花就是紫荆花</s>
<time>537_00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800</time>
<s>在当地是可以喝到花汤的</s>
<time>538_00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,560</time>
<s>这个花汤是和蚕豆共煮</s>
<time>539_00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,520</time>
<s>羊蹄甲花瓣贡献了纤维</s>
<time>540_00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,840</time>
<s>蚕豆贡献了淀粉</s>
<time>541_00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,280</time>
<s>这是一对好搭档</s>
<time>542_00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,960</time>
<s>这是一种人工栽培的花菜</s>
<time>543_00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,760</time>
<s>叫芋头花</s>
<time>544_00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,640</time>
<s>有绿色和紫色两种</s>
<time>545_00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,160</time>
<s>紫色的比较多见是老品种</s>
<time>546_00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,400</time>
<s>云南谚语是这样说的</s>
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<s>—“茄子芋头花洋芋老麦瓜”席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>一席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>—我用昆明话说一下席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>一席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
