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<s>大家好</s>
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<s>我是原老未</s>
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<s>今天我是来跟大家聊聊阿富汗</s>
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<s>还有阿富汗女性</s>
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<s>我一共去过四次阿富汗席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
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<s>我一共去过四次阿富汗</s>
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<s>然后每次在那待一个月</s>
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<s>大部分时间我都是和当地人生活在一起</s>
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<s>这是一张阿富汗的地图</s>
<time>11_00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,840</time>
<s>我在上面标了所有我去过的地方</s>
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<s>还有去那儿的年份</s>
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<s>其实我从小就不是一个家里人眼中的好孩子</s>
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<s>我大学毕业以后只上过十几天班</s>
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<s>然后当我意识到我不愿意被人管</s>
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<s>以后我也不想管别人的时候</s>
<time>17_00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:50,760</time>
<s>我就辞职了</s>
<time>18_00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:55,080</time>
<s>然后从2008年底成为了一个世界游民</s>
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<s>20靠拍照和写稿为生</s>
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<s>那些年我走了大半个地球</s>
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<s>喜欢哪就在哪停下来</s>
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<s>我曾经在莫桑比克瑞典还有格鲁吉亚都租了房子席</s>
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<s>生活过一段时间</s>
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<s>2010年的时候在巴基斯坦的白沙瓦</s>
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<s>有人给我看了一张照片</s>
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<s>那是一个在峡谷中的巨大的湖</s>
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<s>照片说实话拍得真不怎么样</s>
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<s>但依然能看出来那个湖特别漂亮</s>
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<s>他跟我他说这个湖在阿富汗</s>
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<s>叫做班达米尔湖二</s>
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<s>于是我就为了这个湖就去了阿富汗</s>
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<s>我是2013年9月份第一次去的阿富汗</s>
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<s>那时候我还是一个骨折恢复期的瘾子</s>
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<s>就刚刚脱拐一个月</s>
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<s>真的是</s>
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<s>为了去看那个湖</s>
<time>37_00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,400</time>
<s>就翻山越岭地走了十九公里山路</s>
<time>38_00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,200</time>
<s>当时我脚都走肿了</s>
<time>39_00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,000</time>
<s>然后看到这个湖的时候</s>
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<s>我一下就被美晕了</s>
<time>41_00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,240</time>
<s>然后我就想值了</s>
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<s>就这种级别的湖</s>
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<s>你再让我走十几公里山路也没问题</s>
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<s>我就坐在这个湖边</s>
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<s>然后就看了好半天</s>
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<s>但后来我心里就有点难受</s>
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<s>就觉得阿富汗有这么好看的地方</s>
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<s>但所有人一说起阿富汗</s>
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<s>只会觉得这里危险又恐怖</s>
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<s>是正常人不会去的</s>
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<s>这个是我在网上的搜索引擎</s>
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<s>分别用中英文</s>
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<s>打出阿富汗和阿富汗女性时出现的关键词</s>
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<s>如果说主流媒体报道的阿富汗是它的A面</s>
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<s>今天我想先跟大家说说阿富汗的B面</s>
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<s>！</s><s>当然B面有很多席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
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<s>对我来说最吸引我的就是三点席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
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<s>席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
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<s>！</s><s>好客好吃好诗歌席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
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<s>阿富汗人的文化里好客是非常重要的一个传统</s>
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<s>就他们对客人有时候就太好了</s>
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<s>好得让你有心理压力那种</s>
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<s>然后阿富汗的菜非常的好吃</s>
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<s>就是在调料的运用上是结合了伊朗菜印度菜和新疆菜</s>
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<s>我最喜欢吃的是一种叫Sharwar的炖肉</s>
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<s>因为它也是把囊成小块放在肉汤里</s>
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<s>我都跟我朋友说那是阿富汗的羊肉泡馍</s>
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<s>阿富汗人非常喜欢诗歌</s>
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<s>很多城市的周四都会举办诗歌之夜的活动</s>
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<s>然后他们也会很喜欢玩一种叫诗歌接龙的游戏</s>
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<s>因为战争导致了几十年的教育真空</s>
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<s>但即使是这样</s>
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<s>很多人依然可以随口就说上几句</s>
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<s>阿富汗人知道自己的国家很穷</s>
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<s>他们也知道外国人认为这里很危险</s>
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<s>但他们不知道就是</s>
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<s>很多人认为他们这里的男的</s>
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<s>就全看着像恐怖分子</s>
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<s>女的就都穿着罩袍</s>
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<s>过着悲惨的生活</s>
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<s>媒体只报道阿富汗的A面</s>
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<s>让我很不爽</s>
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<s>所以我就想写阿富汗写阿富汗女性</s>
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<s>所以当我知道我想做什么以后</s>
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<s>我就又去了三次阿富汗</s>
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<s>然后就有了这本《罩袍之刺》</s>
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<s>今天我想跟大家讲讲书里的三个女人的故事</s>
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<s>在开始之前</s>
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<s>我希望大家可以先想一下</s>
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<s>你们关于阿富汗和阿富汗的女性你们有怎样的印象帝</s>
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<s>然后在我说完这三个人的故事的时候</s>
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<s>大家再看一看这种印象是否发生了一些变化</s>
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<s>首先我想先说的第一个人是热扎依</s>
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<s>她是一个大学生</s>
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<s>兽医专业</s>
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<s>英语很好</s>
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<s>而且还会武术</s>
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<s>我是2016年第二次去阿富汗的时候认识她的</s>
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<s>我其实是先在赫拉特的一个饭馆</s>
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<s>—认识了两个教中国武术的老师席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
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<s>他们跟我说他们在离赫拉特10公里外的</s>
<time>102_00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,000</time>
<s>一个小镇上还有一个武馆</s>
<time>103_00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,960</time>
<s>然后第二天我就为了武馆去了那个小镇</s>
<time>104_00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,120</time>
<s>那是一个哈扎拉人的镇子</s>
<time>105_00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,280</time>
<s>哈扎拉人长得跟我们很像</s>
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<s>他们的基因里是有一种蒙古人才有的独有基因</s>
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<s>我们也有二</s>
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<s>所以他们是最好辩认的阿富汗人</s>
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<s>当时我一进武馆</s>
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<s>就看见里边站了四排穿着红绸子练功服的男孩</s>
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<s>然后我刚要说Salam向他们问好</s>
<time>112_00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,920</time>
<s>然后他们就集体冲我抱拳</s>
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<s>然后特大声的用中文喊早上好</s>
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<s>我一下说哇塞穿越了吗</s>
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<s>好像到了几十年前的广东</s>
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<s>看见了佛山武术队</s>
<time>117_00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,520</time>
<s>那天武馆的人就给我做了很多的才艺展示</s>
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<s>其中让我印象最深的就是一个女孩打太极</s>
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<s>那个女孩就是热扎依</s>
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<s>我为什么对她印象深呢</s>
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<s>首先打太极的漂亮女孩就很少见</s>
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<s>然后这个漂亮女孩她又穿了一身白衣服</s>
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<s>最关键的是她打太极的伴奏曲</s>
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<s>是一首80年代的中文老歌</s>
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<s>叫《故乡的云》</s>
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<s>热扎依她生在伊朗</s>
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<s>也没有住在难民区</s>
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<s>她周围的邻居都是伊朗人</s>
<time>129_00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,400</time>
<s>她也一直以为自己是伊朗人</s>
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<s>直到有一关</s>
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<s>就她小的时候跟邻居小伙伴在巷子里玩</s>
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<s>小孩嘛麻就玩着玩着就急了</s>
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<s>然后有一小孩就说</s>
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<s>说你是臭阿富汗人滚回阿富汗去</s>
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<s>热扎依就觉得好像自己被悔厚了一样</s>
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<s>她就特别生气</s>
<time>137_00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,600</time>
<s>她说你才是臭阿富汗人</s>
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<s>你全家都是臭阿富汗人</s>
<time>139_00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,000</time>
<s>说完了她哭着跑回家找她爸求安慰去了</s>
<time>140_00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,240</time>
<s>她爸听完她说的以后就拍了拍她肩膀</s>
<time>141_00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,200</time>
<s>然后说首先你们两个不应该这样说话</s>
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<s>但是他也没有说错</s>
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<s>因为我们就是阿富汗人</s>
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<s>热扎依跟我说</s>
<time>145_00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,480</time>
<s>她说自从我知道自己是阿富汗人以后</s>
<time>146_00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:17,640</time>
<s>我就不想在伊朗呆着了</s>
<time>147_00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,240</time>
<s>我老是想回自己的国家去看看那是什么样的</s>
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<s>我想回阿富汗去</s>
<time>149_00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,560</time>
<s>几年后热扎依的两个姐姐留在了伊朗</s>
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<s>她就跟父母还有她哥哥就回到了阿富汗南部的</s>
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<s>一个叫做赫尔曼德省的老家</s>
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<s>赫尔曼德是一个农业省</s>
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<s>就是土地非常肥沃</s>
<time>154_00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,160</time>
<s>属于种啥有啥的那种</s>
<time>155_00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,320</time>
<s>然后家家户户都有好多动物</s>
<time>156_00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,480</time>
<s>但是因为赫尔曼德特别穷</s>
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<s>然后兽医都觉得在那挣不到钱</s>
<time>158_00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:45,720</time>
<s>他们都不愿意去</s>
<time>159_00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,240</time>
<s>所以热扎依就说我小时候我就想好了</s>
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<s>我想长大了去学兽医</s>
<time>161_00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,920</time>
<s>然后回赫尔曼德给动物治病</s>
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<s>我说请热扎依给我做翻译的时候</s>
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<s>她就死活不要我钱</s>
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<s>她跟我说她说我们阿富汗人不要客人钱</s>
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<s>很多时候其实我在阿富汗</s>
<time>166_00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:03,000</time>
<s>就在商店里买东西</s>
<time>167_00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,520</time>
<s>店主经常跟我说不要钱送你了</s>
<time>168_00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,320</time>
<s>这时候你就不能当真</s>
<time>169_00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,480</time>
<s>然后你不能说拿着东西特高兴说谢谢您</s>
<time>170_00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:10,560</time>
<s>然后转头就跑了</s>
<time>171_00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:11,640</time>
<s>你得站那儿</s>
<time>172_00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,440</time>
<s>然后就原地跟他推</s>
<time>173_00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,960</time>
<s>般你推个两三次他就把钱收了</s>
<time>174_00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,560</time>
<s>这是阿富汗人表示好客的一种习惯</s>
<time>175_00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,520</time>
<s>但热扎依她当时不是因为礼貌才这么说的</s>
<time>176_00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,320</time>
<s>她是真的不想要我钱席 ·科技自日梦</s>
<time>177_00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,400</time>
<s>后来我跟她说了好久席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>178_00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,120</time>
<s>我都急了席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>179_00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,000</time>
<s>然后她才特别不好意思地就把钱给收了</s>
<time>180_00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,600</time>
<s>我当时是在小镇一共待了22天</s>
<time>181_00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,840</time>
<s>热扎依她除了上学</s>
<time>182_00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,720</time>
<s>绝大部分时间她都是跟我在一起</s>
<time>183_00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,600</time>
<s>热扎依走路的姿势就跟很多阿富汗女孩很像</s>
<time>184_00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,680</time>
<s>含胸驼背</s>
<time>185_00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,120</time>
<s>然后眼睛只会町着路</s>
<time>186_00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,200</time>
<s>不会到处乱看</s>
<time>187_00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,360</time>
<s>老一辈的阿富汗人觉得</s>
<time>188_00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,960</time>
<s>男人是不会无缘无故地调戏良家妇女的</s>
<time>189_00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,480</time>
<s>只要你的眼神不跟他们发生接触</s>
<time>190_00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,080</time>
<s>就可以最大范围地避免性骚扰的发生</s>
<time>191_00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,520</time>
<s>但是即使这样</s>
<time>192_00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,320</time>
<s>热扎依偶尔还是会被那些人</s>
<time>193_00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,920</time>
<s>用那种让她浑身不舒服的眼神町着脸看</s>
<time>194_00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,520</time>
<s>热扎依说每当这个时候她就忍不住想找个罩袍</s>
<time>195_00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,320</time>
<s>然后套在这些人的头上</s>
<time>196_00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,480</time>
<s>热扎依她是哈扎拉人</s>
<time>197_00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,640</time>
<s>哈扎拉人是不穿罩袍的</s>
<time>198_00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:15,720</time>
<s>她们穿的是一种</s>
<time>199_00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:16,800</time>
<s>就跟伊朗一样</s>
<time>200_00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,600</time>
<s>是一种叫做茶杜尔的东西</s>
<time>201_00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,040</time>
<s>那个翻译过来就是帐篷</s>
<time>202_00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,560</time>
<s>热扎依说虽然她不喜欢罩袍</s>
<time>203_00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,160</time>
<s>但是每次当她被男人用那种眼神看的时候</s>
<time>204_00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,120</time>
<s>她就特别理解为什么就是普什图女人会穿罩袍席</s>
<time>205_00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,560</time>
<s>因为再讨厌的男人</s>
<time>206_00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,240</time>
<s>也不能去透过那些很细小的网格去看到女人的脸了蒂</s>
<time>207_00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,760</time>
<s>当时其实我是手里有一些席</s>
<time>208_00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,640</time>
<s>给阿富汗女人和孩子筹的捐款席</s>
<time>209_00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,600</time>
<s>热扎依带我去见了很多她认为需要帮助的人席</s>
<time>210_00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,120</time>
<s>有一次我们去了一个婵婵的家里</s>
<time>211_00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,440</time>
<s>那个婵她的老公带着所有值钱的东西</s>
<time>212_00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,600</time>
<s>和一老婆就去了伊朗</s>
<time>213_00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,480</time>
<s>然后临走前还把屋门锁了</s>
<time>214_00:08:58,560 --> 00:08:59,280</time>
<s>婵就只能跟两个女儿睡在半露天的过道里席人文·科校·自日梦</s>
<time>215_00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,440</time>
<s>婵就只能跟两个女儿睡在半露天的过道里</s>
<time>216_00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,520</time>
<s>冬天就差点冻死</s>
<time>217_00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,320</time>
<s>我们从婵家出来以后</s>
<time>218_00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,120</time>
<s>然后热扎依就挺难受地跟我说</s>
<time>219_00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,640</time>
<s>她说你知道吗Moomoo</s>
<time>220_00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,600</time>
<s>她说其实我们哈扎拉人是很少娶两个老婆的</s>
<time>221_00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,480</time>
<s>因为我们知道当时做那样的安排</s>
<time>222_00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,000</time>
<s>是因为打仗的时候死了好多人</s>
<time>223_00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,520</time>
<s>一夫多妻是可以让活下来的人</s>
<time>224_00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,680</time>
<s>去合法地照顾孤儿寡妇的</s>
<time>225_00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,840</time>
<s>但你看看现在这些男的在干吗</s>
<time>226_00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,720</time>
<s>他们找的都是比自己年轻的女孩</s>
<time>227_00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,880</time>
<s>这样做只是在满足自己的私欲</s>
<time>228_00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,920</time>
<s>一婵的子宫里还长了一个比我拳头还要大的肌瘤席</s>
<time>229_00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,000</time>
<s>已经好几年了</s>
<time>230_00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,600</time>
<s>当时已经到了不做手术就会有危险的情况</s>
<time>231_00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,760</time>
<s>阿富汗的公立医院是免费的</s>
<time>232_00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,920</time>
<s>但是你要排很久很久的队</s>
<time>233_00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,440</time>
<s>所以我就让热扎依带我去私立医院</s>
<time>234_00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:47,880</time>
<s>看看跟医生商量</s>
<time>235_00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,400</time>
<s>能不能说便宜点把手术做了</s>
<time>236_00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,480</time>
<s>那医生还挺好的</s>
<time>237_00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,280</time>
<s>后来就给便宜了一大半</s>
<time>238_00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,800</time>
<s>我们只花了相当于人民币1000块钱</s>
<time>239_00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,600</time>
<s>就把瘤子给摘出来了</s>
<time>240_00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:58,680</time>
<s>除了这个婵婵</s>
<time>241_00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,920</time>
<s>热扎依还带我去了镇上有三四户人家</s>
<time>242_00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,440</time>
<s>后来我就搬到了她们家</s>
<time>243_00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,040</time>
<s>到她们家以后我才发现热扎依家很穷</s>
<time>244_00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,360</time>
<s>但是从头到尾她一直都是在想怎么去帮别人</s>
<time>245_00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,680</time>
<s>她从来没有为自己或者为自己的家人要过任何东西节</s>
<time>246_00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,840</time>
<s>离开镇子的前一晚</s>
<time>247_00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,360</time>
<s>我就最后一次在武馆看她打太极</s>
<time>248_00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,520</time>
<s>然后伴奏曲还是那首《故乡的云》</s>
<time>249_00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,120</time>
<s>热扎依跟我说她说每次我一听见这首歌的前奏</s>
<time>250_00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,560</time>
<s>我就忍不住就这样了</s>
<time>251_00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,080</time>
<s>然后我就给她讲我说这首歌是什么意思</s>
<time>252_00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,400</time>
<s>大概意思就是有一个人远离家乡很多年</s>
<time>253_00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,560</time>
<s>然后当时他看见了天上的云</s>
<time>254_00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,360</time>
<s>好像闻到了故乡的味道</s>
<time>255_00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,160</time>
<s>然后忍不住就要哭了</s>
<time>256_00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,320</time>
<s>热扎依就深深地吸了一口气席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>257_00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,480</time>
<s>然后她鼻子皱了皱跟我说席人文·科技自日梦</s>
<time>258_00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,640</time>
<s>说你看咱们现在在武馆席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>259_00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:48,360</time>
<s>我只能闻见这种难闻的汗味席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>260_00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,520</time>
<s>我只能闻见这种难闻的汗味</s>
<time>261_00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,960</time>
<s>过了一会她又跟我说</s>
<time>262_00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:57,000</time>
<s>她说也许伊朗什么东西都比我们阿富汗好</s>
<time>263_00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,880</time>
<s>但还是这儿带着着灰尘和汗水的味儿</s>
<time>264_00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,680</time>
<s>闻着让人踏实</s>
<time>265_00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,280</time>
<s>我在镇上的时候就把武馆的事发在公众号上</s>
<time>266_00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,720</time>
<s>新华社亚太的久看见了</s>
<time>267_00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,880</time>
<s>就安排了记者过来采访</s>
<time>268_00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,400</time>
<s>我就这么认识了他们当地的摄影记者</s>
<time>269_00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,360</time>
<s>这个记者他知道我在写阿富汗女性就很高兴</s>
<time>270_00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,680</time>
<s>然后他就给我推荐了一个叫鲁巴巴的16岁的残疾画家</s>
<time>271_00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,200</time>
<s>这也是我今天想给大家讲的第二个人</s>
<time>272_00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,440</time>
<s>鲁巴巴她是一个先天的小儿麻痹者</s>
<time>273_00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,240</time>
<s>她上肢完全无力</s>
<time>274_00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,760</time>
<s>然后脚趾也只有三个可以动换</s>
<time>275_00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,000</time>
<s>她是用嘴咬着铅笔画画的</s>
<time>276_00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,960</time>
<s>阿富汗自己的媒体也是天天报道什么腐败席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>277_00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,200</time>
<s>失业率新高爆炸这些很消极的东西席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>278_00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,720</time>
<s>所以当老百姓看见鲁巴巴的新闻</s>
<time>279_00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,960</time>
<s>看见她这种身体状况依然在画画的时候</s>
<time>280_00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:47,760</time>
<s>就全都被她打动了</s>
<time>281_00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,560</time>
<s>然后很多人给她捐钱</s>
<time>282_00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,000</time>
<s>送她电脑手机</s>
<time>283_00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,600</time>
<s>连加拿大的一个阿富汗裔部长都知道她席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>284_00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,040</time>
<s>给她捐了2000美元席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>285_00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,200</time>
<s>还说她是阿富汗的希望席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>286_00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,360</time>
<s>这是鲁色色家的会客厅</s>
<time>287_00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,520</time>
<s>房间是她出名以后新装修的</s>
<time>288_00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,040</time>
<s>地毯代么的都是新的</s>
<time>289_00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,080</time>
<s>然后进的那块还堆了很多热心市民送的颜料席</s>
<time>290_00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,520</time>
<s>迷有绘画工具什么的</s>
<time>291_00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,760</time>
<s>她说没出名之前家里很穷</s>
<time>292_00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,920</time>
<s>然后她也没有钱请老师</s>
<time>293_00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,160</time>
<s>只能是自己去摸索着自学地画</s>
<time>294_00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,400</time>
<s>后来他舅舅就把她画画的照片放在了网上</s>
<time>295_00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,280</time>
<s>没想到被媒体看见一下就就出名了</s>
<time>296_00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,160</time>
<s>出名以后就很多人找鲁巴巴画画</s>
<time>297_00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,120</time>
<s>但只愿意付她相当于人民币10块20块的酬劳</s>
<time>298_00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,360</time>
<s>鲁巴巴说她说我觉得我是一个艺术家席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>299_00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,160</time>
<s>这些人这样很不尊重我席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>300_00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,240</time>
<s>然后我就问她</s>
<time>301_00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,760</time>
<s>我说那你觉得你的画应该值多少钱呢</s>
<time>302_00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,000</time>
<s>鲁巴巴想了想说我认为它值100美元</s>
<time>303_00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520</time>
<s>因为每一幅画我都要咬着铅笔席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>304_00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:48,960</time>
<s>然后画一个礼拜席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>305_00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:49,680</time>
<s>很辛苦席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>306_00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,480</time>
<s>我当时就说我说那行席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>307_00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:52,920</time>
<s>我说我就按你说的价格席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>308_00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,160</time>
<s>我花200美元买你两幅铅笔临掌画</s>
<time>309_00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,680</time>
<s>然后我就在鲁巴巴家住了下来</s>
<time>310_00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,720</time>
<s>其实阿富汗是有很多残疾小孩被父母遗弃的</s>
<time>311_00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,960</time>
<s>但是鲁巴巴家他们家每一个人都对她特别好</s>
<time>312_00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,040</time>
<s>她妹妹跟我说</s>
<time>313_00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,200</time>
<s>说从小父母就告诉她们</s>
<time>314_00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,360</time>
<s>就是因为鲁巴巴身有残疾</s>
<time>315_00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,520</time>
<s>所以你们更要加倍地对她好</s>
<time>316_00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,600</time>
<s>无论她要什么</s>
<time>317_00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,760</time>
<s>只要你们有都应该让给她</s>
<time>318_00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,640</time>
<s>鲁巴巴她和所有16岁女孩一样</s>
<time>319_00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,080</time>
<s>很喜欢美</s>
<time>320_00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,880</time>
<s>她很喜欢化妆</s>
<time>321_00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,400</time>
<s>然后化妆的速度比一般人还要快</s>
<time>322_00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,080</time>
<s>有一次她化完妆就突然町上了我脚旁边的一个小包帝</s>
<time>323_00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,520</time>
<s>那包里有我的护照</s>
<time>324_00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,320</time>
<s>还有一些应急的美元</s>
<time>325_00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:36,480</time>
<s>我每次去阿富汗都随身背着</s>
<time>326_00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,720</time>
<s>鲁巴巴就看着那个包就说了一句llikeit</s>
<time>327_00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,960</time>
<s>我当时还以为她夸我审美好呢</s>
<time>328_00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,040</time>
<s>我还挺高兴</s>
<time>329_00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,480</time>
<s>然后我就说谢谢</s>
<time>330_00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,360</time>
<s>然后鲁巴巴她就又放慢了语速</s>
<time>331_00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,240</time>
<s>看着我又说了遍likeit</s>
<time>332_00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:52,320</time>
<s>我还没说话呢</s>
<time>333_00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:54,840</time>
<s>她就直接把包就给挎在自己身上了</s>
<time>334_00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,280</time>
<s>用她的嘴跟脚</s>
<time>335_00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,080</time>
<s>然后这个时候她挎着包</s>
<time>336_00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,520</time>
<s>她就又看着我说了一句</s>
<time>337_00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,320</time>
<s>她说你看我背着多好看</s>
<time>338_00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,120</time>
<s>I like it very much</s>
<time>339_00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,200</time>
<s>我这才明白</s>
<time>340_00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,440</time>
<s>她是想让我说那就把包送给你吧</s>
<time>341_00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,680</time>
<s>其实当时我觉得自己算挺了解阿富汗人的了</s>
<time>342_00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,480</time>
<s>阿富汗人非常要面子</s>
<time>343_00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,720</time>
<s>很多人即使在大街上气讨都要把脸蒙起来</s>
<time>344_00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,600</time>
<s>当时我也是在阿富汗住了很多人的家里</s>
<time>345_00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,760</time>
<s>无论是大人还是小孩</s>
<time>346_00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,280</time>
<s>没有人这么当面跟我要过东西</s>
<time>347_00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,440</time>
<s>所以这种场合这种场景</s>
<time>348_00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,600</time>
<s>完全是在我意料范围之外的</s>
<time>349_00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,680</time>
<s>我当时都惜逼了</s>
<time>350_00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,480</time>
<s>然后嘴也打瓢</s>
<time>351_00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:31,920</time>
<s>我就不知道该说什么</s>
<time>352_00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,360</time>
<s>鲁巴巴就看我没说话</s>
<time>353_00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,680</time>
<s>她就很失望地把包褪了出来</s>
<time>354_00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,280</time>
<s>她褪完了以后她还是在用她的脚趾去拨那个包带席</s>
<time>355_00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,800</time>
<s>然后一边拨她一边说Ilikeit</s>
<time>356_00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,240</time>
<s>我就有点烦了</s>
<time>357_00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:46,680</time>
<s>然后我就没忍住</s>
<time>358_00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,840</time>
<s>我就说了一句！</s><s>likeittoo</s>
<time>359_00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,440</time>
<s>说完too我就后悔了席人文·科校·自日梦</s>
<time>360_00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,960</time>
<s>我就觉得自己非常的幼稚席人文·科校·自日梦</s>
<time>361_00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,760</time>
<s>但是当时我确实还需要那个包席人文·科校·自日梦</s>
<time>362_00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:57,480</time>
<s>【因为我之后还要去几个城市席人·科校·自日梦</s>
<time>363_00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,000</time>
<s>因为我之后还要去几个城市</s>
<time>364_00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,240</time>
<s>我还需要它保护自己的财物</s>
<time>365_00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,480</time>
<s>然后我就想那干脆就等我再回喀布尔的时候</s>
<time>366_00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,560</time>
<s>我找她取画</s>
<time>367_00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,000</time>
<s>我就把包留给她就完了</s>
<time>368_00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,880</time>
<s>后来我在鲁巴巴家待了六天</s>
<time>369_00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,680</time>
<s>前几天她都没有画画</s>
<time>370_00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560</time>
<s>我又不愿意去要求她什么</s>
<time>371_00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,080</time>
<s>这样违背了我写这本书的初衷</s>
<time>372_00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,960</time>
<s>但是直到我临走前一晚</s>
<time>373_00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:22,680</time>
<s>我就没办法了</s>
<time>374_00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:23,760</time>
<s>我就问她</s>
<time>375_00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:24,840</time>
<s>我说鲁巴巴</s>
<time>376_00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,240</time>
<s>我说我拍了你化妆睡觉学英文玩手机</s>
<time>377_00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,400</time>
<s>但我从来没有见过你画画</s>
<time>378_00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:33,840</time>
<s>你怎么不画画呢</s>
<time>379_00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,360</time>
<s>鲁巴巴就说我明天画</s>
<time>380_00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,040</time>
<s>第二天下午就又发生了一个我没有想象到的事</s>
<time>381_00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,560</time>
<s>鲁巴巴有一个画画的老师</s>
<time>382_00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,880</time>
<s>那个老师当时对着我手机里的照片</s>
<time>383_00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,920</time>
<s>然后用铅笔把人像的轮廓和五官就全画了出来</s>
<time>384_00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,360</time>
<s>我都惊呆了</s>
<time>385_00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,520</time>
<s>然后她哥就看我一脸惊的表情</s>
<time>386_00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,040</time>
<s>就小声跟我挺尴尬地说</s>
<time>387_00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,920</time>
<s>说鲁巴巴现在的身体情况</s>
<time>388_00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,160</time>
<s>她是没有办法自己完成脸部的轮廓的</s>
<time>389_00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,040</time>
<s>然后老师走了以后鲁巴巴终于画画了</s>
<time>390_00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,640</time>
<s>那是我第一次也是唯一次看她画画</s>
<time>391_00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880</time>
<s>她当时坐在一个比自己还大的画架前</s>
<time>392_00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,840</time>
<s>然后就是用嘴咬着铅笔给眉毛上色</s>
<time>393_00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,360</time>
<s>她当时非常认真</s>
<time>394_00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,800</time>
<s>然后眼神很专注</s>
<time>395_00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,680</time>
<s>即使我刚发现被她骗了</s>
<time>396_00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,560</time>
<s>就那种场景真的是非常打动我</s>
<time>397_00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,440</time>
<s>她画了可能有十几分钟就画完了</s>
<time>398_00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,960</time>
<s>然后她自己看着也挺满意的</s>
<time>399_00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,760</time>
<s>然后还转头冲我笑了一下席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>400_00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,720</time>
<s>当时她那个嘴唇上还有晕染阴影的时候留下的石墨帮</s>
<time>401_00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,520</time>
<s>那个笑容就特别干净</s>
<time>402_00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:42,960</time>
<s>我觉得特好看</s>
<time>403_00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,200</time>
<s>就在这个时候鲁巴巴又跟我说</s>
<time>404_00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,160</time>
<s>她说我觉得我今天感觉特好</s>
<time>405_00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,040</time>
<s>第二幅画我想试着自己独自完成</s>
<time>406_00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,640</time>
<s>所以你应该给我200美元也就是双倍</s>
<time>407_00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,800</time>
<s>不过现在这幅因为已经画完了</s>
<time>408_00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,240</time>
<s>咱俩又是朋友</s>
<time>409_00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,040</time>
<s>我就还给你按100美元算</s>
<time>410_00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,920</time>
<s>哇塞我当时一下</s>
<time>411_00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,080</time>
<s>我都觉得被雷劈了你知道吗</s>
<time>412_00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,600</time>
<s>当时如果有阿富汗人跟我问好</s>
<time>413_00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,320</time>
<s>说你好吗</s>
<time>414_00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,400</time>
<s>我肯定说不好不好</s>
<time>415_00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,560</time>
<s>从身体到灵魂都真不好</s>
<time>416_00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,360</time>
<s>我就平复一下情绪</s>
<time>417_00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,080</time>
<s>然后我跟她说</s>
<time>418_00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,520</time>
<s>我说鲁巴巴</s>
<time>419_00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,480</time>
<s>我说我愿意付200美元买你两幅铅笔的临掌画</s>
<time>420_00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,520</time>
<s>是因为你跟我说每一幅你都要自己咬着铅笔</s>
<time>421_00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,960</time>
<s>用一个礼拜独立完成的</s>
<time>422_00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,280</time>
<s>但是现在我知道了老师的事还愿意这么做</s>
<time>423_00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,080</time>
<s>也是因为当时我答应你了</s>
<time>424_00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,160</time>
<s>我作了承诺</s>
<time>425_00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,680</time>
<s>但如果你要现在还想跟我要钱</s>
<time>426_00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,120</time>
<s>我说那你就别画这第二幅画</s>
<time>427_00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,640</time>
<s>我觉得这幅画已经没有意义</s>
<time>428_00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,520</time>
<s>鲁巴巴听完她也没生气</s>
<time>429_00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,960</time>
<s>她就挺无所谓地说了一句</s>
<time>430_00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,200</time>
<s>说那行那就还200美元两幅画吧</s>
<time>431_00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,520</time>
<s>后来离开鲁巴巴家以后我就回了喀布尔市区</s>
<time>432_00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,480</time>
<s>然后我就当天晚上躺在旅馆的床上就特别累</s>
<time>433_00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,920</time>
<s>然后还睡不着</s>
<time>434_00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,360</time>
<s>我就在想鲁巴巴的事</s>
<time>435_00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:06,120</time>
<s>说实在我没想到跟她会以这种情况去结束</s>
<time>436_00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,360</time>
<s>然后我还把跟她在她家发生的事</s>
<time>437_00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,880</time>
<s>告诉了那个介绍我们认识的记者</s>
<time>438_00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,040</time>
<s>他听完了就觉得特对不住我</s>
<time>439_00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,480</time>
<s>然后老给我道歉</s>
<time>440_00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,720</time>
<s>然后还给我分析了半天鲁巴巴的心路历程</s>
<time>441_00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,520</time>
<s>后来他的结论就是</s>
<time>442_00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,680</time>
<s>鲁巴巴有点迷失了</s>
<time>443_00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:25,920</time>
<s>另一方面我失眠还有一个原因</s>
<time>444_00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,440</time>
<s>就是是因为第二天我要去坎大哈了</s>
<time>445_00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,960</time>
<s>我不知道大家了不了解坎大哈</s>
<time>446_00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,120</time>
<s>我当时是第三次去阿富汗</s>
<time>447_00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,360</time>
<s>但是我一直都是在北方各个地区移动</s>
<time>448_00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,880</time>
<s>阿富汗的南北差异其实非常的大</s>
<time>449_00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,760</time>
<s>坎大哈所在的南部是阿富汗最保守的地区</s>
<time>450_00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:42,480</time>
<s>动风可以这么说</s>
<time>451_00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,000</time>
<s>就是阿富汗北方人看南方</s>
<time>452_00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,800</time>
<s>就像外国人看阿富汗一样</s>
<time>453_00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,680</time>
<s>前者觉得后者人人都像恐怖分子</s>
<time>454_00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,560</time>
<s>但是后来我真去了坎大哈</s>
<time>455_00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,160</time>
<s>然后我并没有发现有人凶神恶煞地町着我</s>
<time>456_00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,320</time>
<s>那儿的老百姓跟世界上所有的老百姓一样</s>
<time>457_00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,120</time>
<s>就是在努力的生活</s>
<time>458_00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,800</time>
<s>其实跟我说坎大哈有多恐怖的那些北方人</s>
<time>459_00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:05,880</time>
<s>他们其中大部分人从来都没有去过坎大哈</s>
<time>460_00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:06,960</time>
<s>■他们其中大部分人从来都没有去过坎大哈席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>461_00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:07,680</time>
<s>他们其中大部分人从来都没有去过坎大哈</s>
<time>462_00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,840</time>
<s>他们只是就根据自己的想象</s>
<time>463_00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,000</time>
<s>去虚构了一个坎大哈的街景</s>
<time>464_00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:16,680</time>
<s>我去坎大哈是去见一个从美国回来开绣坊的姐姐席</s>
<time>465_00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:17,760</time>
<s>瑞吉娜</s>
<time>466_00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,280</time>
<s>她也是我今天想跟大家说的最后一个人</s>
<time>467_00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,240</time>
<s>瑞吉娜她是出生在坎大哈的一个中产家庭里</s>
<time>468_00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,120</time>
<s>她的爸爸古拉姆是70年代</s>
<time>469_00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,640</time>
<s>从喀布尔大学金融系毕业</s>
<time>470_00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,880</time>
<s>然后在阿富汗财政部工作了13年</s>
<time>471_00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,120</time>
<s>后来80年代苏联占领阿富汗时期</s>
<time>472_00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,360</time>
<s>他们就全家逃去了巴基斯坦的难民营</s>
<time>473_00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,160</time>
<s>然后几年后去了美国</s>
<time>474_00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,040</time>
<s>瑞吉娜是在4岁的时候离开的阿富汗</s>
<time>475_00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,920</time>
<s>然后阿富汗在她离开后的21年里</s>
<time>476_00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,080</time>
<s>先后经历了苏联撤军</s>
<time>477_00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960</time>
<s>然后各国扶植的军阀代理人内战</s>
<time>478_00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,040</time>
<s>塔利班政权</s>
<time>479_00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,200</time>
<s>还有“911"后的美国入侵</s>
<time>480_00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,800</time>
<s>而阿富汗的女人她们先是摘下了头巾</s>
<time>481_00:19:59,160 --> 00:19:59,880</time>
<s>又戴上了头巾</s>
<time>482_00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,680</time>
<s>穿上了罩袍</s>
<time>483_00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,560</time>
<s>然后又被告知罩袍是可以摘下来的</s>
<time>484_00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,160</time>
<s>可想而知很多阿富汗女人害怕了</s>
<time>485_00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,040</time>
<s>她们担心情况再有变化</s>
<time>486_00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,200</time>
<s>她们又要把脱下的罩袍穿回去</s>
<time>487_00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,360</time>
<s>很多阿富汗女人也习惯了</s>
<time>488_00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,320</time>
<s>那个罩袍在她们外出的时候就很像第二张皮肤</s>
<time>489_00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,120</time>
<s>已经长在了她们的身上</s>
<time>490_00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,280</time>
<s>瑞吉娜是在25岁的时候</s>
<time>491_00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,440</time>
<s>跟她的爸爸一起回到了阿富汗</s>
<time>492_00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,520</time>
<s>她跟我说</s>
<time>493_00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,320</time>
<s>她说第一次在坎大哈街头</s>
<time>494_00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,200</time>
<s>看着那些依然穿着罩袍的女人时候</s>
<time>495_00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,080</time>
<s>她光是看着她觉得已经没有办法呼吸了</s>
<time>496_00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,160</time>
<s>后来她就决定</s>
<time>497_00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,320</time>
<s>她说我不和我爸爸回美国了</s>
<time>498_00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,200</time>
<s>我想留在坎大哈去帮这儿的女人</s>
<time>499_00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,800</time>
<s>当时坎大哈其实大部分女人都是文盲</s>
<time>500_00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,480</time>
<s>她们其中其实都没有办法去读书写字</s>
<time>501_00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,000</time>
<s>很多人甚至没有办法去写自己的名字</s>
<time>502_00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,520</time>
<s>但是她们从四五岁的时候</s>
<time>503_00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,040</time>
<s>就开始跟着家里的长辈学刺绣</s>
<time>504_00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,280</time>
<s>只有坎大哈一带的刺绣才能叫做卡玛克</s>
<time>505_00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,600</time>
<s>这种刺绣是由无数繁密精致的几何图形组成</s>
<time>506_00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,840</time>
<s>然后像小指甲盖儿这么大小的地方</s>
<time>507_00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,280</time>
<s>就至少需要下针80次</s>
<time>508_00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,880</time>
<s>它是世界公认的最顶级的刺绣工艺之一</s>
<time>509_00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,760</time>
<s>像这个男孩胸前的这一整块卡玛克</s>
<time>510_00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,360</time>
<s>需要一个熟练的女工至少五个月才能绣出来</s>
<time>511_00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,240</time>
<s>在一个援助机构的资金支持下</s>
<time>512_00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:21,960</time>
<s>瑞吉娜就为当地的妇受美提供了针线</s>
<time>513_00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,200</time>
<s>赶瑞吉娜就为当地的妇女免费提供了针线席</s>
<time>514_00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,440</time>
<s>生然后让她们可以在家缝制卡玛克</s>
<time>515_00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,240</time>
<s>然后要回收的时候</s>
<time>516_00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,400</time>
<s>就根据绣品的品质付给她们酬劳</s>
<time>517_00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,920</time>
<s>然后同时她还租了一个院子</s>
<time>518_00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,800</time>
<s>让那些愿意从家里走出来的人</s>
<time>519_00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,320</time>
<s>可以有一个地方一起工作</s>
<time>520_00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,480</time>
<s>这个院子就是绣坊的前身</s>
<time>521_00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,280</time>
<s>在2003年的时候</s>
<time>522_00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,080</time>
<s>一个女人当时大概可以拿到</s>
<time>523_00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,960</time>
<s>相当于人民币350块钱的酬劳</s>
<time>524_00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,840</time>
<s>大家都觉得350块钱挺少的是吧</s>
<time>525_00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,000</time>
<s>但是在当时的坎大哈</s>
<time>526_00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,680</time>
<s>350（元）已经是远超于当地男性重劳力的工资了席</s>
<time>527_00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,280</time>
<s>几年后绣坊的资金援助就被停掉了</s>
