<time>528_00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,440</time>
<s>瑞吉娜就接手了这个绣坊</s>
<time>529_00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,960</time>
<s>正式成为了坎大哈第一个女商人</s>
<time>530_00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,040</time>
<s>瑞吉娜跟我说</s>
<time>531_00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,920</time>
<s>她说我从回到阿富汗的时候我就想好了</s>
<time>532_00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,360</time>
<s>我不会去做慈善的</s>
<time>533_00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,520</time>
<s>因为慈善只能制造气巧</s>
<time>534_00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,040</time>
<s>她说我要让这些坎大哈的女人知道</s>
<time>535_00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,920</time>
<s>她们是可以凭借自己的双手去挣钱的</s>
<time>536_00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800</time>
<s>而一个女人她知道自己可以挣钱的时候</s>
<time>537_00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,320</time>
<s>她会靠自己去站起来</s>
<time>538_00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,400</time>
<s>然后一直走下去</s>
<time>539_00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,280</time>
<s>绣坊出产的绣品是当地最好的</s>
<time>540_00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,720</time>
<s>也是最贵的</s>
<time>541_00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,320</time>
<s>买得起的除了当地的富人就是外国人</s>
<time>542_00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,640</time>
<s>瑞吉娜说这些美国人滋养了这里的腐败</s>
<time>543_00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,600</time>
<s>然后给阿富汗带来了更多的伤亡</s>
<time>544_00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,560</time>
<s>但矛盾的是也是因为他们绣坊才能维持下去席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>545_00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,440</time>
<s>因为当时每个月至少有七成的绣品</s>
<time>546_00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,400</time>
<s>都是这些人服完兵役以后买回去</s>
<time>547_00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,280</time>
<s>然后回美国作为纪念品送人的</s>
<time>548_00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,360</time>
<s>席</s>
<time>549_00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,160</time>
<s>绣坊在最好的时候是和</s>
<time>550_00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,400</time>
<s>大概是400多个女工签订了工作协议</s>
<time>551_00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,640</time>
<s>这些女工分兼职和全职两种</s>
<time>552_00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,960</time>
<s>兼职女工一般就是年轻的女孩或者年轻的媳妇</s>
<time>553_00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,760</time>
<s>她们的家人怕人说闲话</s>
<time>554_00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:13,560</time>
<s>就不放心她们出去工作</s>
<time>555_00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,440</time>
<s>然后全职女工大部分都是寡妇</s>
<time>556_00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,320</time>
<s>她们的丈夫有的是在战争中死了</s>
<time>557_00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,760</time>
<s>有的是病死了</s>
<time>558_00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:21,480</time>
<s>不是寡妇的</s>
<time>559_00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,920</time>
<s>也是因为岁数大了</s>
<time>560_00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,720</time>
<s>丈夫才放心让她们出来工作</s>
<time>561_00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,480</time>
<s>我去绣坊那天是他们开员工会宣布停业的日子</s>
<time>562_00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,280</time>
<s>因为当时美国撤军</s>
<time>563_00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,080</time>
<s>当时屋里有29个人</s>
<time>564_00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,880</time>
<s>然后只能留下8个</s>
<time>565_00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760</time>
<s>他们没有钱再请这么多的女工了</s>
<time>566_00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,640</time>
<s>那8个人里边有一个叫莎克拉的姐姐</s>
<time>567_00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,080</time>
<s>她就一直没有结婚</s>
<time>568_00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,040</time>
<s>阿富汗女性的法定婚姻年龄是16岁</s>
<time>569_00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,920</time>
<s>所以她这种情况是当地非常罕见的</s>
<time>570_00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,000</time>
<s>然后莎克拉跟我说</s>
<time>571_00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,880</time>
<s>她说我知道自己长得不好看</s>
<time>572_00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,760</time>
<s>然后与其让我嫁给一个丧偶的老头</s>
<time>573_00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,640</time>
<s>冒着被家暴当佣人一样使唤的风险</s>
<time>574_00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,160</time>
<s>我更愿意像现在一样生活</s>
<time>575_00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,320</time>
<s>她说如果自己没钱没工作</s>
<time>576_00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,200</time>
<s>所有人都可以对她指手画脚呼来喝去的</s>
<time>577_00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,800</time>
<s>但现在她每个月有相当于人民币600块钱的薪水席</s>
<time>578_00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,960</time>
<s>是家里收入最高的人</s>
<time>579_00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,400</time>
<s>然后每个人都尊重她</s>
<time>580_00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,840</time>
<s>她说什么别人也会听</s>
<time>581_00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,000</time>
<s>她说是绣坊让她成为了</s>
<time>582_00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,880</time>
<s>之前从没敢想象可以成为的人</s>
<time>583_00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:21,960</time>
<s>瑞吉娜跟我说</s>
<time>584_00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,760</time>
<s>她说停业以后</s>
<time>585_00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,440</time>
<s>她计划去喀布尔的一家国际学校去做校长</s>
<time>586_00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,960</time>
<s>一是因为有私心</s>
<time>587_00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:31,680</time>
<s>她的女儿</s>
<time>588_00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,200</time>
<s>这么多年她觉得非常亏欠她</s>
<time>589_00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,640</time>
<s>现在孩子已经8岁了</s>
<time>590_00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,440</time>
<s>到了上学的年龄</s>
<time>591_00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,240</time>
<s>第二也是因为</s>
<time>592_00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,480</time>
<s>她曾经以为可以为阿富汗女性做的最好的事</s>
<time>593_00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,920</time>
<s>就是给她们工作</s>
<time>594_00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,520</time>
<s>然后给她们提供比市面上更高的酬劳</s>
<time>595_00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,040</time>
<s>但十几年过去以后</s>
<time>596_00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,480</time>
<s>瑞吉娜发现</s>
<time>597_00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,280</time>
<s>就是除了绣坊的这几百个女工</s>
<time>598_00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,600</time>
<s>她并没有办法去改善其他1600万阿富汗女人的生活</s>
<time>599_00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,040</time>
<s>她说她意识到</s>
<time>600_00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:00,480</time>
<s>无论在哪儿</s>
<time>601_00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,360</time>
<s>受教育才是改变人生的最好方式</s>
<time>602_00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,400</time>
<s>接下来我还想跟大家说说瑞吉娜的父亲古拉姆席</s>
<time>603_00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,920</time>
<s>古拉姆去了美国以后</s>
<time>604_00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800</time>
<s>在一个旅行社做了19年的会计</s>
<time>605_00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,680</time>
<s>这对一个在财政部工作了13年的人来说</s>
<time>606_00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,840</time>
<s>是一个非常轻松的工作</s>
<time>607_00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,080</time>
<s>2006年的时候在瑞吉娜的鼓励下席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>608_00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,960</time>
<s>62岁的古拉姆回到了阿富汗席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>609_00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,760</time>
<s>当时的总统就跟他说席人文·科技·自白日梦</s>
<time>610_00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,280</time>
<s>希望他可以做海关署长席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>611_00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,880</time>
<s>古拉姆说如今的阿富汗海关绕不开腐败</s>
<time>612_00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,400</time>
<s>他还是想回坎大哈去做市长</s>
<time>613_00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,560</time>
<s>因为他在美国生活了19年</s>
<time>614_00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,080</time>
<s>坎大哈人都叫他美国市长</s>
<time>615_00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,520</time>
<s>他上任以后</s>
<time>616_00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,960</time>
<s>为了盖学校</s>
<time>617_00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,200</time>
<s>拆除了军阀搭建的违章建筑</s>
<time>618_00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,000</time>
<s>他还向所有商铺征税</s>
<time>619_00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:49,800</time>
<s>而这些商铺都是有背景的</s>
<time>620_00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,240</time>
<s>以前就没有人敢这么干</s>
<time>621_00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,760</time>
<s>总之他做了大量的这样的事</s>
<time>622_00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:55,560</time>
<s>他得罪了很多的既得利益者</s>
<time>623_00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800</time>
<s>也因此受到了无数次的死亡威肋</s>
<time>624_00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,960</time>
<s>在古拉姆逃离两次暗杀后</s>
<time>625_00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,480</time>
<s>瑞吉娜就非常担心爸爸的安危</s>
<time>626_00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,000</time>
<s>他希望古拉姆可以辞职回美国去</s>
<time>627_00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,160</time>
<s>古拉姆说我不会走的</s>
<time>628_00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,320</time>
<s>他说人在哪都会死</s>
<time>629_00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,400</time>
<s>我都这个岁数了</s>
<time>630_00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,480</time>
<s>在美国会死</s>
<time>631_00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,920</time>
<s>在阿富汗也会死</s>
<time>632_00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,880</time>
<s>他说也许我在坎大哈有100个敌人</s>
<time>633_00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,560</time>
<s>但我所做的事可以让75方坎大哈人过上好日子</s>
<time>634_00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,440</time>
<s>在他逃离第二次暗杀后的半个月</s>
<time>635_00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,320</time>
<s>一个男人走进了市政府</s>
<time>636_00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,840</time>
<s>顺利地通过了三道安检</s>
<time>637_00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,080</time>
<s>他走到古拉姆办公室前的走廊</s>
<time>638_00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240</time>
<s>在古拉姆和他握手的时候</s>
<time>639_00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,760</time>
<s>他引爆了头巾里的炸弹</s>
<time>640_00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,920</time>
<s>古拉姆回阿富汗的时候</s>
<time>641_00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,240</time>
<s>坎大哈那年的税收只相当于人民币的30万</s>
<time>642_00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,120</time>
<s>城市中也只有4公里的柏油路</s>
<time>643_00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,280</time>
<s>他66岁离世那年</s>
<time>644_00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,880</time>
<s>坎大哈的税收已经达到了2700万人民币</s>
<time>645_00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,760</time>
<s>柏油路总长度达到了37公里</s>
<time>646_00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,320</time>
<s>就在两个月以前</s>
<time>647_00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,200</time>
<s>瑞吉娜告诉我</s>
<time>648_00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,600</time>
<s>她说她正式接受了现在总统的提名</s>
<time>649_00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480</time>
<s>成为了阿富汗新的教育部长</s>
<time>650_00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:20,880</time>
<s>二席</s>
<time>651_00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,720</time>
<s>她在父亲去世9年后终于跟随他从政了</s>
<time>652_00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,240</time>
<s>我当时听完也是特别高兴</s>
<time>653_00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,040</time>
<s>我当时也是哭了</s>
<time>654_00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,280</time>
<s>真讨厌我怎么哭了</s>
<time>655_00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,320</time>
<s>其实她是我特别好的一个朋友后来</s>
<time>656_00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,120</time>
<s>我知道她特别不容易</s>
<time>657_00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,560</time>
<s>二席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>658_00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,720</time>
<s>其实我个人而言席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>659_00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240</time>
<s>我是非常抗拒受教育这个词的</s>
<time>660_00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,120</time>
<s>我也一直跟别人说自己是一个没文化的人</s>
<time>661_00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,080</time>
<s>我觉得在某种意义上来说</s>
<time>662_00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040</time>
<s>文化就像一种模具</s>
<time>663_00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,200</time>
<s>你只有不断挣扎</s>
<time>664_00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,720</time>
<s>才能在得到它的过程中保留你自己</s>
<time>665_00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:05,880</time>
<s>我很庆幸自己席人文·科技·自日梦</s>
<time>666_00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,760</time>
<s>从来不是一个容易被周围环境影响的人</s>
<time>667_00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,280</time>
<s>正是因为听不到外界的声音席人文科技·白日梦</s>
<time>668_00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,800</time>
<s>我才可以专注地去做好自己喜欢的事</s>
<time>669_00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,760</time>
<s>目前为止我依然喜欢去别人不去的地方</s>
<time>670_00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,640</time>
<s>然后写别人觉得没有那么重要的东西</s>
<time>671_00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,760</time>
<s>也是因为就是更年轻的时候我去了那么多地方</s>
<time>672_00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,360</time>
<s>那些经历让我知道真实的世界是有温度的</s>
<time>673_00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,600</time>
<s>它不只是新闻媒体报道的那个样子</s>
<time>674_00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,120</time>
<s>二在悲情的国家也有鲜活的生活席人文·科校·自日梦</s>
<time>675_00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:36,840</time>
<s>在悲情的国家也有鲜活的生活</s>
<time>676_00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,000</time>
<s>和我们一样的人</s>
<time>677_00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,520</time>
<s>我书里的这些阿富汗女人</s>
<time>678_00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,680</time>
<s>她们来自不同的省份</s>
<time>679_00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,840</time>
<s>有着不同的民族</s>
<time>680_00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,280</time>
<s>从事不同的职业</s>
<time>681_00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,080</time>
<s>有着完全完全不同的性格</s>
<time>682_00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,320</time>
<s>我觉得她们和世界上其他地方的女人一样</s>
<time>683_00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,760</time>
<s>没有更高尚</s>
<time>684_00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,200</time>
<s>也没有更卑微</s>
<time>685_00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,360</time>
<s>但现实中无论穿还是不穿</s>
<time>686_00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,440</time>
<s>很多阿富汗女人</s>
<time>687_00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,320</time>
<s>已经被外界的人套上了隐形的罩袍</s>
<time>688_00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,560</time>
<s>而偏见就像一根刺扎在罩袍上</s>
<time>689_00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,800</time>
<s>这罩袍有时候遮住的不只是她们的</s>
<time>690_00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,240</time>
<s>还有我们的双眼</s>
<time>691_00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,840</time>
<s>很多人问我说阿富汗是不是特别危险</s>
<time>692_00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,720</time>
<s>我通常的回答就是有危险</s>
<time>693_00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,520</time>
<s>但没你想的那么可怕</s>
<time>694_00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,400</time>
<s>最后我知道不可能</s>
<time>695_00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280</time>
<s>但我依然希望这个世界没有战争</s>
<time>696_00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,360</time>
<s>遍地和平</s>
<time>697_00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600</time>
<s>希望和平到来的那一天</s>
<time>698_00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840</time>
<s>大家都可以亲眼去阿富汗看一看</s>
<time>699_00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,560</time>
<s>谢谢</s>
