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<s>大家好我是鲁小本</s>
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<s>我是一名摄影师</s>
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<s>我来自荷兰</s>
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<s>今天我想和大家分享我摄影的一些经验</s>
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<s>非常简单</s>
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<s>我想从这张照片说起</s>
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<s>这个照片是1984年拍的</s>
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<s>这是我的家人们</s>
<time>10_00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,680</time>
<s>我有个大家庭</s>
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<s>可以看到在照片中间</s>
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<s>那个穿米菲毛衣的是我妹妹</s>
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<s>她看上去很可爱</s>
<time>14_00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,280</time>
<s>我也在这张照片里</s>
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<s>你们可以猜出哪个金发小孩是我吗</s>
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<s>猜一猜</s>
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<s>最高的那个不是</s>
<time>18_00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,440</time>
<s>不是那个不是</s>
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<s>是..是这个</s>
<time>20_00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,800</time>
<s>这个确实是我</s>
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<s>这个照片</s>
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<s>就像你看到的这样</s>
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<s>被挂在了我祖母家的餐桌上方</s>
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<s>你看它就在这里</s>
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<s>这个照片是1984年在祖母的结婚纪念日上拍摄的</s>
<time>26_00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,680</time>
<s>她很以这张照片为荣</s>
<time>27_00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,480</time>
<s>她为自己的这些孩子们感到骄傲</s>
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<s>于是她就把这张照片挂在了餐桌上方</s>
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<s>到了周日我们所有家庭成员都会过来</s>
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<s>一起喝咖啡吃午饭喝饮料</s>
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<s>然后这个照片从1984年开始就一直挂在那里</s>
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<s>大概挂了十多年可能15年也有了</s>
<time>33_00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,200</time>
<s>所以在我整个童年</s>
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<s>这个照片一直占据祖母家厨房的c位</s>
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<s>每当我的家人聚在一起时</s>
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<s>他们会和我说你就是个爱哭包</s>
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<s>你小时候总是在哭</s>
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<s>我想这大概是因为你们看了这个照片十年</s>
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<s>所以才会这样想</s>
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<s>但是当我开始学习摄影后</s>
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<s>我问我妈</s>
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<s>我小时候真的很爱哭吗</s>
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<s>和其他小朋友比我哭得多吗</s>
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<s>我妈说并没有</s>
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<s>你偶尔是会哭不过这很正常和其他孩子一样</s>
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<s>这很正常</s>
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<s>所以这也是我摄影的第一课在我1岁的时候</s>
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<s>摄影的作用不止是捕捉现实</s>
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<s>有时也可以创造新的现实</s>
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<s>这一直被我运用在我的摄影实践中</s>
<time>51_00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,560</time>
<s>在过去的35年里从我1岁的时候开始</s>
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<s>也延续到我后来在荷兰的学习过程中</s>
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<s>我学习的是摄影</s>
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<s>在这里你可以看到</s>
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<s>我对于探索摄影是如何发挥效用的一直抱有热情</s>
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<s>这是我大概20岁的时候</s>
<time>57_00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,000</time>
<s>可以看到我处在三个身份中</s>
<time>58_00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,800</time>
<s>这一张照片中的我穿着一身排球服</s>
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<s>我很高</s>
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<s>我当时在咖啡馆工作</s>
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<s>这一张的我大概是在体育馆工作</s>
<time>62_00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,520</time>
<s>很明显三张照片的人穿了不同的制服</s>
<time>63_00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,400</time>
<s>但这三张照片都是同一个人</s>
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<s>但是你看待这个人的方式</s>
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<s>会被展现出来的外表所影响</s>
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<s>所以外表很重要</s>
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<s>这并不是我在学摄影时一直记在脑海里的那个教训</s>
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<s>所以今天我会和你们分享</s>
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<s>我在过去15年里的摄影实践</s>
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<s>我会和你们分享我在学习摄影的道路上</s>
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<s>感悟出的一些基本的经验</s>
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<s>这也一直是我着迷于摄影的一个核心问题</s>
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<s>那就是摄影是如何展示现实的</s>
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<s>2005年我第一次来中国</s>
<time>75_00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,080</time>
<s>去了上海</s>
<time>76_00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:14,880</time>
<s>那时候我是一个很購的学生</s>
<time>77_00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,680</time>
<s>我不敢和任何人说话</s>
<time>78_00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,720</time>
<s>当时我觉得我可以用摄影与现实生活交流</s>
<time>79_00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:23,880</time>
<s>所以我没有和很多人说话</s>
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<s>但是我天天把一台4x5英寸的相机背在身上</s>
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<s>我就这样走在路上</s>
<time>82_00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,880</time>
<s>走过上海这个公交站</s>
<time>83_00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,120</time>
<s>这是一个看上去很不错的普通公交站</s>
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<s>在它的中间</s>
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<s>我看到一个大广告牌上面是好看的风景</s>
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<s>我猜应该是为了遮住公交站背后特丑的架子</s>
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<s>我很喜欢</s>
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<s>我认为这是一个很好的处理摄影的方式</s>
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<s>它不是卖东西的广告</s>
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<s>它不是说你看这些东西降价了之类的</s>
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<s>它就是在公交站的中间印上去的一个美丽风景</s>
<time>92_00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,440</time>
<s>这些在上海井不难找</s>
<time>93_00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,680</time>
<s>2005年的时候上海有很多建筑工地</s>
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<s>你可以看到很多建筑工地</s>
<time>95_00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,800</time>
<s>都被漂亮的森林风景图给盖住了</s>
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<s>这些森林呢你也不用去浇灌</s>
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<s>你也不用做任何事情</s>
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<s>它们一直都是绿的</s>
<time>99_00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,640</time>
<s>即使你把树划了</s>
<time>100_00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,600</time>
<s>估计是有人骑自行车路过的时候不小心碰到了画</s>
<time>101_00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,120</time>
<s>但这个树却依然挺立</s>
<time>102_00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:36,600</time>
<s>我也很喜欢摄影和现实以这种方式融为了一体</s>
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<s>美丽的溪水从画中流出流到上海的小街上</s>
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<s>地面上有这个城市雨后的积水</s>
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<s>两者相得益彰</s>
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<s>2007年我来到北京</s>
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<s>我开始在中央美术学院学习</s>
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<s>大家好</s>
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<s>我叫鲁小本</s>
<time>110_00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,560</time>
<s>我也可以说中文</s>
<time>111_00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,440</time>
<s>可是我更方便跟你们说英文</s>
<time>112_00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,600</time>
<s>我现在可以用中文</s>
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<s>这部分没问题</s>
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<s>我中文不是那么好</s>
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<s>可是都ok</s>
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<s>我刚来北京是2007年</s>
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<s>2007年我来中央美院上学</s>
<time>118_00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,600</time>
<s>第一个问题就是我两米高</s>
<time>119_00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,040</time>
<s>所以有好多人在路上</s>
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<s>他们看见我想拍一张照片</s>
<time>121_00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,080</time>
<s>这个外国人很高</s>
<time>122_00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,240</time>
<s>他们跟我说这样的话</s>
<time>123_00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,040</time>
<s>我有点不好意思</s>
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<s>比如说我在798一个画廊里边</s>
<time>125_00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,720</time>
<s>有个人问我可以拍一张照片吗</s>
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<s>我说ok可以没问题</s>
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<s>可是我刚来北京</s>
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<s>我的想法是说</s>
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<s>不需要看见我</s>
<time>130_00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,000</time>
<s>我在路上我都这样的</s>
<time>131_00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,440</time>
<s>我都有点不好意思</s>
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<s>差不多三个月以后</s>
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<s>我发现这个不可能</s>
<time>134_00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,880</time>
<s>所以我发现这样的想法</s>
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<s>我自己这方面都是</s>
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<s>我是因为长得高而不是我多有名</s>
<time>137_00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,800</time>
<s>因为明星应该也有这样的问题</s>
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<s>他们在路上</s>
<time>139_00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,680</time>
<s>很多人说我拍一张照片</s>
<time>140_00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,200</time>
<s>我觉得这个想法挺好</s>
<time>141_00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,080</time>
<s>然后那个时候我学习中文</s>
<time>142_00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,480</time>
<s>所以我写的这个字就是我自己还看不懂</s>
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<s>在北京走路的时候</s>
<time>144_00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,520</time>
<s>那么多人看着我</s>
<time>145_00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,680</time>
<s>我觉得我是一个明星</s>
<time>146_00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,280</time>
<s>所以我们刚看到的那些合影</s>
<time>147_00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,800</time>
<s>都是我问找我拍照的人</s>
<time>148_00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,960</time>
<s>你可以把这张照片也发给我吗</s>
<time>149_00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,480</time>
<s>然后我现在有几百张这样的照片</s>
<time>150_00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,920</time>
<s>每个人跟我在一起的合影</s>
<time>151_00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,000</time>
<s>跟明星一样的</s>
<time>152_00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,240</time>
<s>对这边都是</s>
<time>153_00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,400</time>
<s>目的是成为中国的明星</s>
<time>154_00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,720</time>
<s>我开始用摄影的想法</s>
<time>155_00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,240</time>
<s>这个都在中央美院的里边</s>
<time>156_00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,040</time>
<s>我把哇噻</s>
<time>157_00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:03,840</time>
<s>你有多高</s>
<time>158_00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,440</time>
<s>一直有人跟我聊的是这样的东西</s>
<time>159_00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,320</time>
<s>我学习汉语也是这样的好高啊</s>
<time>160_00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,000</time>
<s>在我旁边一直都有人跟我说好高啊</s>
<time>161_00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,600</time>
<s>可是我发现还有一个挺有意思的问题</s>
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<s>就是中国的明星我都不认识的</s>
<time>163_00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,560</time>
<s>所以你们觉得有名</s>
<time>164_00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,360</time>
<s>然后我一直觉得我不知道是谁</s>
<time>165_00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,880</time>
<s>我不知道这个人是谁</s>
<time>166_00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,760</time>
<s>你们可能认识这个</s>
<time>167_00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:30,480</time>
<s>我不知道</s>
<time>168_00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,360</time>
<s>这个人我不知道是谁</s>
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<s>你们认识</s>
<time>170_00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,680</time>
<s>我没有</s>
<time>171_00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,000</time>
<s>所以我在上海拍了几张照片</s>
<time>172_00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,160</time>
<s>然后我的同事们一定发现</s>
<time>173_00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:44,880</time>
<s>都是这样的</s>
<time>174_00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,320</time>
<s>你们觉得有名特别有名</s>
<time>175_00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:47,400</time>
<s>当然是有名</s>
<time>176_00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:48,840</time>
<s>可是我不认识</s>
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<s>这个不是真的明星</s>
<time>178_00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,320</time>
<s>这些都在蜡像馆上海拍的</s>
<time>179_00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,920</time>
<s>可是我拍了这样的照片我觉得他们跟我一样的</s>
<time>180_00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,440</time>
<s>他们是假的明星</s>
<time>181_00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,240</time>
<s>我也是一个假的明星</s>
<time>182_00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120</time>
<s>所以我觉得我们可以做这样的朋友</s>
<time>183_00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,920</time>
<s>都是挺合适的</s>
<time>184_00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,360</time>
<s>只有一个人我认识</s>
<time>185_00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,240</time>
<s>姚明</s>
<time>186_00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,200</time>
<s>有人跟我说你跟姚明一样高</s>
<time>187_00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:20,160</time>
<s>不是他比你高20多厘米</s>
<time>188_00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,600</time>
<s>所以他比我高一头</s>
<time>189_00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,400</time>
<s>差不多这样</s>
<time>190_00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,840</time>
<s>我还有别的想法</s>
<time>191_00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:25,920</time>
<s>这个是一个想法</s>
<time>192_00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,000</time>
<s>我做了一个衣服</s>
<time>193_00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,240</time>
<s>因为我发现差不多这一边是1米</s>
<time>194_00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,680</time>
<s>这边1米7</s>
<time>195_00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:33,840</time>
<s>这边2米</s>
<time>196_00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,880</time>
<s>所以这个衣服我带去外面有一点不好意思</s>
<time>197_00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,680</time>
<s>可是照片好玩</s>
<time>198_00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,600</time>
<s>这是在中央美院对面有一个市场</s>
<time>199_00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,120</time>
<s>这边的阿姨我特别喜欢</s>
<time>200_00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,720</time>
<s>还有后面那个人我也觉得挺不错的她在笑</s>
<time>201_00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:55,800</time>
<s>这个好玩</s>
<time>202_00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,760</time>
<s>还有我去成都参加一个</s>
<time>203_00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,280</time>
<s>英文的名字特别有意思</s>
<time>204_00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:03,360</time>
<s>是Academy Awards</s>
<time>205_00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,160</time>
<s>中国学院奖在那边颁奖</s>
<time>206_00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,680</time>
<s>那个时候有那么多人看我的东西</s>
<time>207_00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,480</time>
<s>他们给我这张学院奖</s>
<time>208_00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:10,920</time>
<s>会主任签童他们给我这张学院奖席人文·科技·白日梦</s>
<time>209_00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,000</time>
<s>他们给我这张学院奖</s>
<time>210_00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,320</time>
<s>我觉得这个是挺好的时间</s>
<time>211_00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:17,400</time>
<s>做一本书</s>
<time>212_00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,720</time>
<s>所以那个时候我问我的好朋友刘治治</s>
<time>213_00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,160</time>
<s>他是设计师</s>
<time>214_00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:24,960</time>
<s>帮我做一本书</s>
<time>215_00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,400</time>
<s>然后他做的这本书</s>
<time>216_00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,280</time>
<s>这个跟我的个子一样高</s>
<time>217_00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,520</time>
<s>所以都是这样的</s>
<time>218_00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,840</time>
<s>所以你可以放在床上</s>
<time>219_00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,640</time>
<s>然后说你看一下</s>
<time>220_00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,880</time>
<s>这边2米这边1米71米这样的</s>
<time>221_00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,560</time>
<s>然后摄影的东西都放在一部分</s>
<time>222_00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,840</time>
<s>我得切换回英文</s>
<time>223_00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,280</time>
<s>抱歉</s>
<time>224_00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:04,560</time>
<s>是的所以我对摄影的爱好带我去了东京</s>
<time>225_00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,880</time>
<s>东京是一个我从一开始就特别喜欢的城市</s>
<time>226_00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,760</time>
<s>其中一个原因是如果你去过东京</s>
<time>227_00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,840</time>
<s>我不知道你们去过没有</s>
<time>228_00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:16,440</time>
<s>但当我坐在地铁上或者走在路上时</s>
<time>229_00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,600</time>
<s>我常常觉得东京的人们每天穿的都是新衣服</s>
<time>230_00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,480</time>
<s>这让我非常惊呀</s>
<time>231_00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:22,560</time>
<s>就像你看他</s>
<time>232_00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,000</time>
<s>你会觉得不可思议</s>
<time>233_00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,520</time>
<s>有时候只是黑衬衫颜色淡了些</s>
<time>234_00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:27,600</time>
<s>但看上去很平整</s>
<time>235_00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,560</time>
<s>很贴合穿戴整齐</s>
<time>236_00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,640</time>
<s>我很喜欢他们那样</s>
<time>237_00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,320</time>
<s>看到周围那么多人都穿着漂亮衣服是件让人着迷的事席</s>
<time>238_00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,560</time>
<s>所以我会在东京的大街上拍照</s>
<time>239_00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,600</time>
<s>像这张照片里你可以看到一位女士穿着一件粉色大衣席</s>
<time>240_00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,840</time>
<s>她戴着口罩手里还拎着一个粉色的包</s>
<time>241_00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,280</time>
<s>这就是其中一例</s>
<time>242_00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,440</time>
<s>真的是精心打扮</s>
<time>243_00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,400</time>
<s>那件夹克像是被仔细熨过一样她穿上很好看</s>
<time>244_00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,440</time>
<s>我当时是和一个朋友一起去的</s>
<time>245_00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,240</time>
<s>他拍了这张照片</s>
<time>246_00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,120</time>
<s>可以看到这其实是同一位女士</s>
<time>247_00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,560</time>
<s>我们同时拍下了她的照片</s>
<time>248_00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,440</time>
<s>你可以看到她还是穿着那件粉大衣</s>
<time>249_00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:11,520</time>
<s>戴着口罩</s>
<time>250_00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:12,240</time>
<s>拎着粉包</s>
<time>251_00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,120</time>
<s>不过这次你看到她还拎着另外一个袋子</s>
<time>252_00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,000</time>
<s>那个灰色的</s>
<time>253_00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,600</time>
<s>这在之前我拍的那张照片上可是看不到的</s>
<time>254_00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,840</time>
<s>我和朋友一起穿越东京的大街小巷</s>
<time>255_00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,080</time>
<s>在不同的街区拍了上百个路人的照片</s>
<time>256_00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,680</time>
<s>我们走访了整座城市拍下这些照片</s>
<time>257_00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,640</time>
<s>并且去看这些照片放在一起是什么样子的</s>
<time>258_00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,600</time>
<s>这是其中一组照片</s>
<time>259_00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,040</time>
<s>看起来很像一面镜子</s>
<time>260_00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,080</time>
<s>在同一时刻拍的同一位女士只不过角度不同</s>
<time>261_00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,840</time>
<s>这是我的作品中一个非常关键的主题</s>
<time>262_00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,000</time>
<s>尤其是作为一名年轻摄影师的时候</s>
<time>263_00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,880</time>
<s>我喜欢去质疑摄影中一些基本的概念</s>
<time>264_00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,840</time>
<s>其中一个概念就是“决定性瞬间”</s>
<time>265_00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,080</time>
<s>所谓的决定性瞬间</s>
<time>266_00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,760</time>
<s>就是前景背景特定的瞬间相机的参数等等</s>
<time>267_00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,640</time>
<s>一切都安排好了</s>
<time>268_00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,440</time>
<s>然后你按下快门的那个时刻</s>
<time>269_00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,960</time>
<s>这是摄影中一个非常经典的概念</s>
<time>270_00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,560</time>
<s>我们的这组作品就质疑了这一点</s>
<time>271_00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,520</time>
<s>在东京的街道上我们采用了非常简单的拍摄理念</s>
<time>272_00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,960</time>
<s>以左侧照片为例</s>
<time>273_00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,480</time>
<s>你和你的朋友走在这里</s>
<time>274_00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,920</time>
<s>你看到左侧这个画面你会想</s>
<time>275_00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,720</time>
<s>嗯一切正常~</s>
<time>276_00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:31,800</time>
<s>但是你的朋友可能会问</s>
<time>277_00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,400</time>
<s>你不觉得哪里有点不对劲吗</s>
<time>278_00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,920</time>
<s>你还是会想嗯..没有吧挺好的啊</s>
<time>279_00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,360</time>
<s>这只是一个穿着蓝色T恤的普通人而已</s>
<time>280_00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,240</time>
<s>但是其实你的朋友看到了一幅完全不同的景象</s>
<time>281_00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,680</time>
<s>他看到这个男人头上有块纱布，</s>
<time>282_00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,480</time>
<s>而他告诉你的时候</s>
<time>283_00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,640</time>
<s>你可能根本还没发现</s>
<time>284_00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,600</time>
<s>我觉得这很有趣</s>
<time>285_00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,840</time>
<s>同时也揭示了摄影的运作方式</s>
<time>286_00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,880</time>
<s>因此我们做了一本书</s>
<time>287_00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,120</time>
<s>前后封面呈现出一致的可视性</s>
<time>288_00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:10,680</time>
<s>腰封也是一侧日文一侧英文</s>
<time>289_00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,360</time>
<s>为了探索摄影的运作原理</s>
<time>290_00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,160</time>
<s>我自已就拍了很多照片</s>
<time>291_00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,400</time>
<s>而且我喜欢用不同的相机去拍</s>
<time>292_00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,000</time>
<s>我们看看那是怎么做到的</s>
<time>293_00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,520</time>
<s>其中一个例子就是这种照相亭</s>
<time>294_00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,760</time>
<s>我不知道你们是否熟悉这种照相亭</s>
<time>295_00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,360</time>
<s>反正你可以很轻松地在这里拍一张护照照片</s>
<time>296_00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,240</time>
<s>基本上就是你走进照相亭拍一张照片</s>
<time>297_00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,320</time>
<s>等五分钟</s>
<time>298_00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,480</time>
<s>然后就拿着照片了</s>
<time>299_00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,360</time>
<s>这是一种非常局限的摄影方式，</s>
<time>300_00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,240</time>
<s>不过也是我爱它的地方</s>
<time>301_00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,200</time>
<s>刚才提到我们会用不同的相机拍摄</s>
<time>302_00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,800</time>
<s>在这里我们坐在照相亭里手里拿着一面镜子</s>
<time>303_00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,680</time>
<s>如果你把镜子倾斜45度角，</s>
<time>304_00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,200</time>
<s>照相亭里的相机是会拍下镜子的照片</s>
<time>305_00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,800</time>
<s>但镜子里反射的是照相亭外面的画面</s>
<time>306_00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,680</time>
<s>这是一种有点奇怪的摄影方式</s>
<time>307_00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,480</time>
<s>而这就是你得到的成片</s>
<time>308_00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,440</time>
<s>你可以看到一位女士在购物</s>
<time>309_00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:16,200</time>
<s>而左侧四格排列着的通常是你的护照照片</s>
<time>310_00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,720</time>
<s>现在你却看到了照相亭之外的景象</s>
<time>311_00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,040</time>
<s>而在照片底部你也能看到那面镜子的边缘部分</s>
<time>312_00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,000</time>
<s>这种摄影方式有趣的地方在于</s>
<time>313_00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,240</time>
<s>拍摄这类照片的相机一般都出现在</s>
<time>314_00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,040</time>
<s>你不被允许拍照的地方</s>
<time>315_00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,360</time>
<s>作为摄影师相对于我们拿着相机走进超市</s>
<time>316_00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,400</time>
<s>整个过程倒转过来我们只是静止地坐在某个点位</s>
<time>317_00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,520</time>
<s>这个例子里在这个点上你能看到的就是超市</s>
<time>318_00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,120</time>
<s>所以这是一种非常局限的摄影方式</s>
<time>319_00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,200</time>
<s>你无法移动</s>
<time>320_00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,640</time>
<s>你需要去到那个点位</s>
<time>321_00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,160</time>
<s>而拍摄的那个瞬间取决于你按下快门的瞬间</s>
<time>322_00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,320</time>
<s>你有五秒钟的时间之后一张照片就拍好了</s>
<time>323_00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:04,800</time>
<s>平常作为一个摄影师所拥有的很多效力在这里都消失了</s>
<time>324_00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,320</time>
<s>我们又把这个项目做成了一本小册子</s>
<time>325_00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,840</time>
<s>名字叫“先别笑留到一会儿吧”</s>
<time>326_00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,440</time>
<s>这句话经常被印在照相亭的侧面</s>
<time>327_00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,040</time>
<s>作为吸引人们来拍护照照片的广告语</s>
<time>328_00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,560</time>
<s>还有更多不同的摄影方式</s>
<time>329_00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,960</time>
<s>其中一种是我从央美毕业时非常喜欢的</s>
<time>330_00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,760</time>
<s>就是屏幕截图</s>
<time>331_00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,920</time>
<s>当你坐在电脑屏幕前</s>
<time>332_00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,720</time>
<s>你可以截图</s>
<time>333_00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,320</time>
<s>而这也是一种拍摄人像的方式</s>
<time>334_00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,440</time>
<s>2011年一首歌突然走红</s>
<time>335_00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,880</time>
<s>名字叫做《志志》</s>
<time>336_00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,120</time>
<s>不知道大家听没听过</s>
<time>337_00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,280</time>
<s>这首歌是没有歌词的</s>
<time>338_00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,080</time>
<s>是像这样唱的</s>
<time>339_00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,080</time>
<s>有很多人喜欢这首歌</s>
<time>340_00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,760</time>
<s>2011年春节期间这首歌非常流行</s>
<time>341_00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,800</time>
<s>可以说是风靡一时很多人用这首歌做了视频</s>
<time>342_00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,240</time>
<s>并且传到了视频网站上</s>
<time>343_00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,840</time>
<s>我看到了这些视频</s>
<time>344_00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:18,240</time>
<s>它们使我有机会通过摄像头观察别人的家</s>
<time>345_00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,560</time>
<s>这是一个疯狂陶醉在自己歌声里的人</s>
<time>346_00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,080</time>
<s>我可以用空格键就可以拍下一张照片</s>
<time>347_00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,400</time>
<s>当“啊啊啊啊啊哦”越来越大声的时候是最完美的时刻</s>
<time>348_00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,080</time>
<s>这是观察别人家的一种方式</s>
<time>349_00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,040</time>
<s>通常如果我要去别人家里拍照</s>
<time>350_00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:38,760</time>
<s>拍大头照</s>
<time>351_00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,800</time>
<s>人们要做的第一件事就是问“我的头发OK吗”</s>
<time>352_00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,680</time>
<s>“我的家太乱了”</s>
<time>353_00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:47,400</time>
<s>你不想</s>
<time>354_00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,280</time>
<s>你会整理一下然后让摄影师拍摄</s>
<time>355_00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520</time>
<s>但这对摄影师来说并不真实</s>
<time>356_00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,680</time>
<s>我喜欢混乱喜欢不加修理的头发</s>
<time>357_00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:56,760</time>
<s>喜欢家里有很多东西</s>
<time>358_00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,280</time>
<s>所以通过网络摄像头</s>
<time>359_00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,440</time>
<s>可以看到人们在家时舒适的状态</s>
<time>360_00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,040</time>
<s>我很爱看他们的面部表情</s>
<time>361_00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,280</time>
<s>爱看那些墙纸床</s>
<time>362_00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,880</time>
<s>爱看他们家里的所有东西</s>
<time>363_00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,400</time>
<s>这也是一个很不错的例子</s>
<time>364_00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,280</time>
<s>这个婴儿的父亲唱得声嘶力竭</s>
<time>365_00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,440</time>
<s>在春节期间唱得不亦乐乎</s>
<time>366_00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,040</time>
<s>但是婴儿可没那么兴奋在他的怀里睡着了</s>
<time>367_00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,240</time>
<s>除了摄影或是利用网络摄像头这种方式</s>
<time>368_00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,040</time>
<s>我还收集照片</s>
<time>369_00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,920</time>
<s>所以今天也想跟大家分享一下</s>
<time>370_00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,680</time>
<s>我收集的照片和摄影书</s>
<time>371_00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,200</time>
<s>再用中文</s>
<time>372_00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:50,760</time>
<s>我2007年刚在中央美院学习摄影</s>
<time>373_00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,800</time>
<s>我的好朋友马丁·帕尔特是英国的摄影师来北京</s>
<time>374_00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,480</time>
<s>然后我们一起去潘家园看那边的摄影画册</s>
<time>375_00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,360</time>
<s>因为我觉得摄影画册特别有意思</s>
<time>376_00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,880</time>
<s>潘家园大部分都是</s>
<time>377_00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,120</time>
<s>50年代60年代70年代的东西挺多</s>
<time>378_00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,280</time>
<s>然后我们去那边买画册</s>
<time>379_00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,440</time>
<s>我朋友回国了我还在北京</s>
<time>380_00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,600</time>
<s>我每个星期都去潘家园</s>
<time>381_00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,400</time>
<s>然后买好多书</s>
<time>382_00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:19,560</time>
<s>我也发现网上</s>
<time>383_00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,000</time>
<s>比如说孔夫子网</s>
<time>384_00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,240</time>
<s>有好多二手的书特别有意思</s>
<time>385_00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:24,960</time>
<s>我一直都买</s>
<time>386_00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,920</time>
<s>所以我住在一个小的地方画册越来越多</s>
<time>387_00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,720</time>
<s>这个是在物业</s>
<time>388_00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,320</time>
<s>他们都帮我拿快递</s>
<time>389_00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,200</time>
<s>我做的这个项目有很长时间了</s>
<time>390_00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,360</time>
<s>所以我今天给你们看五本书</s>
<time>391_00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,880</time>
<s>这五本书跟摄影有关系</s>
<time>392_00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,200</time>
<s>第一个是很老的1902年的一本书</s>
<time>393_00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,520</time>
<s>这是法国的摄影师拍了中国</s>
<time>394_00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,840</time>
<s>这个名字叫《从地面和气球上看中国》</s>
<time>395_00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,720</time>
<s>这个气球在这边看</s>
<time>396_00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,520</time>
<s>一部分是照片</s>
<time>397_00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:00,240</time>
<s>一部分是摄影装置的一部分</s>
<time>398_00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,120</time>
<s>放在一起做一本书也挺有意思</s>
<time>399_00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,360</time>
<s>那个时候当然没有无人机不能上去看一下</s>
<time>400_00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,760</time>
<s>1902年这个法国的摄影师可能是第一个人</s>
<time>401_00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,200</time>
<s>他们用这个方法俯拍</s>
<time>402_00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,640</time>
<s>那个时候挺新的</s>
<time>403_00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,360</time>
<s>都没有了</s>
<time>404_00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,880</time>
<s>所以这个是挺有意思的</s>
<time>405_00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,040</time>
<s>还有中国的摄影师</s>
<time>406_00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,800</time>
<s>我觉得二三十年代的摄影师最有名的就是郎静山</s>
<time>407_00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,960</time>
<s>他到现在还有名</s>
<time>408_00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,280</time>
<s>可是他的看法跟法国的摄影师不一样的</s>
<time>409_00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,520</time>
<s>因为他喜欢中国历史</s>
<time>410_00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,120</time>
<s>他不是国外的视角</s>
<time>411_00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,080</time>
<s>所以他看的是我们现在说特别中国的风格</s>
<time>412_00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,520</time>
<s>也有意思的</s>
<time>413_00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,480</time>
<s>比如说左边的照片挺有名的</s>
<time>414_00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,000</time>
<s>这个是三张照片放在一起的</s>
<time>415_00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,960</time>
<s>上面是一张照片</s>
<time>416_00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,760</time>
<s>还有下面是一张照片</s>
<time>417_00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,000</time>
<s>所以那个时候没有无人机也没有照片编辑软件</s>
<time>418_00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,440</time>
<s>不能放在一起</s>
<time>419_00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,040</time>
<s>那个时候他就是手工放在一起了</s>
<time>420_00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,480</time>
<s>你看这张照片</s>
<time>421_00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,800</time>
<s>他知道中国的历史有什么风格</s>
<time>422_00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680</time>
<s>所以我觉得这是40年代的</s>
<time>423_00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:19,440</time>
<s>最有名的跟中国历史有关的摄影师</s>
<time>424_00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,240</time>
<s>新中国的时候</s>
<time>425_00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,040</time>
<s>风格不一样</s>
<time>426_00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,840</time>
<s>这本书在中国有名</s>
<time>427_00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,280</time>
<s>在荷兰也有名</s>
<time>428_00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,680</time>
<s>就是1959年的时候新中国十年是一个大事</s>
<time>429_00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:32,760</time>
<s>所以在北京</s>
<time>430_00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,360</time>
<s>比如说我们在这边盖的四个北京大楼</s>
<time>431_00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,680</time>
<s>北京站农业展览馆工体</s>
<time>432_00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,480</time>
<s>都是那个时候做的</s>
<time>433_00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:50,040</time>
<s>这本书都是给我们看中国新的十年怎么样</s>
<time>434_00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,840</time>
<s>做怎么样的东西</s>
<time>435_00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,360</time>
<s>这边是上海1959年</s>
<time>436_00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,520</time>
<s>都是特别时尚的</s>
<time>437_00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,400</time>
<s>他们做这本书是非常好</s>
<time>438_00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,840</time>
<s>可是对中国的历史</s>
<time>439_00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,360</time>
<s>五周年也有困难的时间</s>
<time>440_00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,160</time>
<s>都放在一起</s>
<time>441_00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,960</time>
<s>也是五周年的</s>
<time>442_00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,760</time>
<s>可以有特别大的画册</s>
<time>443_00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:09,840</time>
<s>也有特别小的</s>
<time>444_00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,080</time>
<s>我觉得我喜欢的都是特别小的一本书</s>
<time>445_00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,600</time>
<s>是教你踢足球</s>
<time>446_00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,120</time>
<s>1974年的一本书</s>
<time>447_00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,360</time>
<s>这本书差不多这么小很小的</s>
<time>448_00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,880</time>
<s>有十六本放在一起</s>
<time>449_00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,840</time>
<s>可以教你一二三四这样踢球</s>
<time>450_00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,000</time>
<s>也会教你怎么做守门员</s>
<time>451_00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:31,800</time>
<s>我觉得也挺有意思的</s>
<time>452_00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,840</time>
<s>这个是徐先生跟他的儿子一起拍的</s>
<time>453_00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,080</time>
<s>徐先生是80年代在上海</s>
<time>454_00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,880</time>
<s>然后他有一个地图</s>
<time>455_00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,680</time>
<s>那个地图都特别清楚的</s>
<time>456_00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,920</time>
<s>上海的每个路口每个地方他都拍</s>
<time>457_00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,520</time>
<s>哪里都拍</s>
<time>458_00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:51,600</time>
<s>所以他有一个系统</s>
<time>459_00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,120</time>
<s>这个系统就特别有意思的</s>
<time>460_00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,360</time>
<s>这边都是1987年拍的</s>
<time>461_00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,080</time>
<s>拍了浦东</s>
<time>462_00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,960</time>
<s>然后他的儿子2004年回来了</s>
<time>463_00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,480</time>
<s>然后拍的是一样的地方</s>
<time>464_00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,360</time>
<s>我觉得这个是摄影最简单的方法</s>
<time>465_00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,160</time>
<s>你看以前是这样的</s>
<time>466_00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,600</time>
<s>1987年是这样的</s>
<time>467_00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,040</time>
<s>2004年是这样的</s>
<time>468_00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,000</time>
<s>然后我们说那个时候中国的变化很大</s>
<time>469_00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,800</time>
<s>我们看两张照片</s>
<time>470_00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:17,880</time>
<s>不需要说话</s>
<time>471_00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,840</time>
<s>你看两张照片你就知道变化很大</s>
<time>472_00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,880</time>
<s>所以这个历史我做了差不多8年</s>
<time>473_00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,680</time>
<s>都在这本书里边</s>
<time>474_00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,280</time>
<s>可是我不是都喜欢历史的照片</s>
<time>475_00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,440</time>
<s>我也喜欢当代的摄影</s>
<time>476_00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:35,520</time>
<s>刚出版的</s>
<time>477_00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,840</time>
<s>今年我跟一个朋友一起创作的</s>
<time>478_00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,720</time>
<s>我们一直喜欢淘宝的摄影</s>
<time>479_00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,880</time>
<s>你们应该也发现</s>
<time>480_00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,680</time>
<s>你在淘宝买东西</s>
<time>481_00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,360</time>
<s>然后觉得那个人卖东西的人拍得特别好</s>
<time>482_00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,880</time>
<s>我觉得特别有创意特别好看</s>
<time>483_00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,320</time>
<s>也特别简单</s>
<time>484_00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,360</time>
<s>他们一家人自己在那边一起拍就OK了</s>
<time>485_00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,160</time>
<s>所以我做的这个贴纸相册</s>
<time>486_00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,120</time>
<s>就是100多张贴纸放在一起</s>
<time>487_00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,920</time>
<s>这个是六张照片</s>
<time>488_00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,000</time>
<s>我都特别喜欢</s>
<time>489_00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:15,120</time>
<s>比如说我特别喜欢阿姨在那边非常强壮</s>
<time>490_00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,560</time>
<s>我也有这样的东西</s>
<time>491_00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,640</time>
<s>我已经自己买了</s>
<time>492_00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,440</time>
<s>比如说那个狗的东西</s>
<time>493_00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,520</time>
<s>我送给一个朋友</s>
<time>494_00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,240</time>
<s>我们特别喜欢</s>
<time>495_00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,760</time>
<s>但是我觉得那个狗应该不是那么喜欢</s>
<time>496_00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,880</time>
<s>我们这本书里面我们做了几套照片</s>
<time>497_00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,040</time>
<s>这套都是Prove it!</s>
<time>498_00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,640</time>
<s>因为最多的照片在淘宝他们给你看</s>
<time>499_00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600</time>
<s>这个东西很承重</s>
<time>500_00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,840</time>
<s>还有我觉得我没看过这样的花</s>
<time>501_00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,720</time>
<s>这样的花里面有鸡翅</s>
<time>502_00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,160</time>
<s>这个可以吃</s>
<time>503_00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,960</time>
<s>你看那个花好香</s>
<time>504_00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,840</time>
<s>可是鸡翅也好香</s>
<time>505_00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,280</time>
<s>我觉得挺好玩</s>
<time>506_00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,240</time>
<s>还有这边的我最喜欢的</s>
<time>507_00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,200</time>
<s>因为在淘宝有时候有问题</s>
<time>508_00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,640</time>
<s>问题就是你买一个东西</s>
<time>509_00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,160</time>
<s>你不知道那个东西是多大</s>
<time>510_00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,240</time>
<s>想不出来到底多大</s>
<time>511_00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,120</time>
<s>这个人卖一碗面</s>
<time>512_00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,360</time>
<s>比如说这个人在旁边没有它的话</s>
<time>513_00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,520</time>
<s>你知道为什么这个东西是3000块钱</s>
<time>514_00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,320</time>
<s>不可能就一碗面</s>
<time>515_00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,200</time>
<s>我觉得这个人应该是老板</s>
<time>516_00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,440</time>
<s>因为你看每次的他有不一样的衣服</s>
<time>517_00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,960</time>
<s>淘宝的想法我特别喜欢</s>
<time>518_00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,840</time>
<s>都是真人</s>
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<s>都是真的人真的货物</s>
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<s>我喜欢这样的摄影的风格</s>
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<s>现在我们来聊点正事</s>
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<s>在过去这十年里</s>
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<s>每个人都成了摄影师</s>
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<s>过去五年我一直在做摄影记者</s>
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<s>遇到过很多不同类型的摄影师同行</s>
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<s>这张照片是他们在拍我</s>
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<s>我也在拍他们</s>
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<s>这就是所谓的“双赢”吧</s>
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<s>这是在黑龙江拍的</s>
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<s>这些女孩正在成都拍照</s>
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<s>我现在经常在身边看到这类照片</s>
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<s>很多人这样拍照</s>
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<s>就像站在人民大会堂前面一样</s>
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<s>这是一种很有效率的拍法</s>
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<s>但是有各种各样的方法可以做到</s>
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<s>我意识到作为一名摄影师</s>
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<s>我不仅对新闻报道感兴趣</s>
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<s>向荷兰的人们展示中国正在发生的事情</s>
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<s>我喜欢这部分工作</s>
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<s>但是我也喜欢后退一步</s>
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<s>旁观我们作为摄影师的作用何在</s>
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<s>这在过去15年一直是我职业的一部分</s>
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<s>这就是我在演讲结尾想分享给大家的话</s>
